Great Transfer Window?

[PaulSaint]

Kelvin, Surman and Llalana still here, Saga back and scoring, Jan gone, Saeijs in, new Hungarian in (lets reserve judgement until we see him) - All told I reckon its been a Great Transfer Window for us!

 

What are your thoughts?

Edited 2 February, 2009 by PaulSaint
Forgot Saeijs

[Chris Larkin]

I'm not overwhelmed, but it's perhaps as good as we could have hoped for. I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to get rid of Skacel or Euell, but keeping all the players we like, and getting some (hopefully decent) ones in is pleasing.

[70's Mike]

so does it all mean we have more money than we thought ?

[PaulSaint]

More like a more patient bank manager than we first thought?

[Dannyboy_Saint]

Not too shabby. Was hoping for a full-back but there is always the loan option in a few weeks time. As long as keeping the likes of Skacel and Euell doesn't mean we have to go into adminstration before the end of the season then its been a pretty good transfer window especially compared to what most people feared would happen (i.e the complete gutting of the team).

[Whitey Grandad]

I'm not overwhelmed, but it's perhaps as good as we could have hoped for. I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to get rid of Skacel or Euell, but keeping all the players we like, and getting some (hopefully decent) ones in is pleasing.

These two could be the diference between staying up or sinking. I, for one, would be delighted if they both stayed for the rest of the season.

[derry]

Kelvin, Surman and Llalana still here, Saga back and scoring, Jan gone, Saeijs in, new Hungarian in (lets reserve judgement until we see him) - All told I reckon its been a Great Transfer Window for us!

 

What are your thoughts?

 

We may yet find Skacel and Euell not going along with Saeijs, Saganowski and Surman could give us a combative team to get some results.

 

Sadly Lallana is pretty poor at the moment and hardly rates a place on the bench.

[Gemmel]

so does it all mean we have more money than we thought ?

 

I think it has to! I'm no expert on the finances, but it's been confirmed that we did turn down ofers, so i can only assume things aren't as desperate as we thought.

[70's Mike]

I think it has to! I'm no expert on the finances, but it's been confirmed that we did turn down ofers, so i can only assume things aren't as desperate as we thought.

 

or were led to believe

[Wes Tender]

So we didn't manage to ship out our Chairman...

 

Nobody else out there wants him? :smt022

[JustMike]

I'm not overwhelmed, but it's perhaps as good as we could have hoped for. I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to get rid of Skacel or Euell, but keeping all the players we like, and getting some (hopefully decent) ones in is pleasing.

 

i disagree, keeping skacel and euell is an added bonus imo

[peacey]

i disagree, keeping skacel and euell is an added bonus imo

 

Agree with that 100% to.

 

On there day Rudi Skacel and Jason Euell can be great assists to southampton fc.

[eurosaint]

i disagree, keeping skacel and euell is an added bonus imo

 

I think that anyone could still go out on loan though and it's even possible that we could (umlikely, I admit) get someone else in !

[miserableoldgit]

Kelvin, Surman and Llalana still here, Saga back and scoring, Jan gone, Saeijs in, new Hungarian in (lets reserve judgement until we see him) - All told I reckon its been a Great Transfer Window for us!

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Careful. You will upset the majority of posters on here with a statement like that!

[trousers]

More like a more patient bank manager than we first thought?

 

Or, a bank manger that turned round and said: "even if you sell your best players it won't be enough to keep you afloat I'm afraid"

 

In that scenario, why would we bust a gut to sell anyone if it didn't change things enough financially?

 

So, there is a train of thought that says not selling our best players could be a bad sign financially. Of course, the flip side could indeed be true.

[alpine_saint]

As good as we could have hoped for, and leaves the suspicion that we have been persistently lied to about the financial situation.

 

If we were so desperate, we would have accepted Swansea's offer for Dyer.

[Saint Jimbo]

Clubs have until 7 days after the closure of the transfer window to sign players on loan, therefore surely we have a striker lined up!?

We can't rely on saga to get all the goals and Mcgoaldraught certainly wont score enough to keep us up!!

I was hoping Lupoli would sign, evidently not!

Plus a loan signing would cut out the costs

what are your views guys?

[benjii]

This lack of incoming revenue is terrible news.

 

I demand that we instantly install a cheap lower league manager from overseas.

[RinNY]

So, now that Surman, Lallana, Morgan Schneiderlin and Kelvin Davis have all been sold, Wotton has been shipped out, and we haven't gotten any new faces in, what hope do we have, I wonder?

 

Oh, wait, the transfer window has closed and none of that has happened! Strange, I could have sworn I read that all of that was either certain to happen or a "done deal", depending on the player(s) in question. By people who were "in the know", and who also added the certain knowledge that Lowe & co. are just out to destroy SFC and suck the last penny they can out of the club in doing so.

 

I wonder if any of those making these claims will be posting an apology for getting things so wrong? I doubt it. One thing I've learned reading this forum and its predecessor these past 7 or 8 years, is that the more certain someone here is that something is "bound to happen" or a "done deal", the less likely it is to be true; that none of the self-proclaimed "in the knowers" actually know a damned thing about what's happening, that most posters (with a very few honorable exceptions) are motivated solely by bias, prejudice, and fantasy, or an injudicious mixture thereof.

 

With a few defensive reinforcements (Molyneux, Saeijs, the Hungarian fella), the return of a key loan player (Saga) to help up front, and no significant departures of our own players, I'm almost inclined to some cautious optimism, despite our still very precarious position.

[Fowllyd]

So we didn't manage to ship out our Chairman...

 

Nobody else out there wants him? :smt022

 

Happily, there's no transfer window for chairmen, so he can go any time.

 

Sadly, he won't...

[RobM]

Considering we thought it would be shockingly bad and pretty much all Saints fans were resigned to losing at least one if not two of our best talents and believed there was no money and no chance of new faces, I'd say it was a great transfer window. Even better with Saga back, which is like a new signing for us!

[Viking Warrior]

How fickle some fans are. I see some are already slagging off Zoltan and he hasnt kicked a ball for us.

 

I dispair with some of them.

 

However what is pleasing about this transfer window is the fact none of our players are leaving. It is because they have demonstrated their desire and commitment to stay at the club. Those fans who were hinting that there was

disharmony in the club aappear to be way off the mark

 

The players commitment is a major bonus for us and hopeful Rudi will come back into the fold and fight for the cause

[Glasgow_Saint]

[Minsk]

How fickle some fans are. I see some are already slagging off Zoltan and he hasnt kicked a ball for us.

 

I dispair with some of them.

 

However what is pleasing about this transfer window is the fact none of our players are leaving. It is because they have demonstrated their desire and commitment to stay at the club. Those fans who were hinting that there was

disharmony in the club aappear to be way off the mark

 

The players commitment is a major bonus for us and hopeful Rudi will come back into the fold and fight for the cause

 

I see are using the same acusation that Mangy did in another thread. Where has anyone 'slagged off' Zoltan?

 

All people have done is point out his history to date. Does that history fill you with confidence about his abilities?

 

As for the OP's original question on this thread, I think the term 'great' is overdoing it somewhat.

 

I am very pleased that we did not lose Kelvin or Drew. If they are used, I am also pleased we still have Rudi and Euell. I am ecstatic that we have Saga back, but that isn't really anything to do with this window. I am happy we signed Size. As for the others, I will wait patiently to be convinced they were worth the paper that thier contracts are written on, let alone fees, wages, etc.

 

All in all, I guess it was a better window than I had anticipated - but it could have been far more inspiring.

 

[Mole]

Or, a bank manger that turned round and said: "even if you sell your best players it won't be enough to keep you afloat I'm afraid"

 

In that scenario, why would we bust a gut to sell anyone if it didn't change things enough financially?

 

So, there is a train of thought that says not selling our best players could be a bad sign financially. Of course, the flip side could indeed be true.

 

Wise words trousers.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Or, a bank manger that turned round and said: "even if you sell your best players it won't be enough to keep you afloat I'm afraid"

 

In that scenario, why would we bust a gut to sell anyone if it didn't change things enough financially?

 

Well if that were the case then the creditors would shut us down now to stop the losses increasing and them having even less chance of getting their money back. Not to mention that Mr Wilde would be selling off all he could to salvage something for his shares. So I think you are just grasping at straws. Why can't you just accept that there isn't some big conspiracy going on and maybe we're not such a basket case financially as some of the "Experts" on here would like us to beleive to suit their ani Lowe/crouch/Wilde agendas.

 

Lowe out, Wilde out, Crouch out.

[Viking Warrior]

Minsk

 

Maybe it my interpretation of fans knocking Zoltan

 

here just one comment mad e on the thread

 

"Loaned out to Stevenage Borough??? God help us...."

 

The poster is hardly being complimentary about Zoltan now is it

[solentstars]

How fickle some fans are. I see some are already slagging off Zoltan and he hasnt kicked a ball for us.

 

I dispair with some of them.

 

However what is pleasing about this transfer window is the fact none of our players are leaving. It is because they have demonstrated their desire and commitment to stay at the club. Those fans who were hinting that there was

disharmony in the club aappear to be way off the mark

 

The players commitment is a major bonus for us and hopeful Rudi will come back into the fold and fight for the cause

i agree ,we got the usual negative posters,we seem to be bigger moaners then tottenham these days.

[Minsk]

Minsk

 

Maybe it my interpretation of fans knocking Zoltan

 

here just one comment mad e on the thread

 

"Loaned out to Stevenage Borough??? God help us...."

 

The poster is hardly being complimentary about Zoltan now is it

 

No, but neither is it slagging him.

 

It is a FACT that Zoltan was signed by Southend after they were relegated to League 1 and when he couldn't break into their side he was loaned out to Stevenage Borough of the Conference (where he made a couple of appearances and stayed on the bench a few more times) and this (I believe) was only last season!

 

Now, I want any player in a Saints shirt to be the world's best and become a hero at SMS but either:

 

a) he has improved DRAMATICALLY in the past year

 

or

 

b) Wotte was lieing when he said he would only sign proven players better than we already had.

 

Which do you think is the case?

 

P.S. Zoltan played for the team we beat 5-2 at SMS recently. Scorers: DMG 2, Spiderman, Pulis, Gasmi

[Fan The Flames]

Minsk

 

Maybe it my interpretation of fans knocking Zoltan

 

here just one comment mad e on the thread

 

"Loaned out to Stevenage Borough??? God help us...."

 

The poster is hardly being complimentary about Zoltan now is it

 

You judge things with the facts at hand, at the moment not many have seen him play so the facts at hand are the stats and people are entitled to form an opinion from them if they want to.

 

The information available today is unbelievable and enables people to assess players before they have put on a red and white shirt. Some opinions offered may be a bit down on the player but they are made in light of the information avaiable.

[CB Fry]

Minsk

 

Maybe it my interpretation of fans knocking Zoltan

 

here just one comment mad e on the thread

 

"Loaned out to Stevenage Borough??? God help us...."

 

The poster is hardly being complimentary about Zoltan now is it

So what exactly was your opinion of Zoltan Liptak this time yesterday? Did you think he was a good player and would make a brilliant addition to the squad?

 

If he'd signed for Sheff Utd today would you be on here saying what a cracking signing they'd made?

 

Or......had you never heard of him?

 

I don't get the mindset that just because we sign a player he instantly becomes a world beater.

 

He was loaned out to, and couldn't get a game for, Stevenage Boro, LAST SEASON.

 

Sorry for not dancing round the kitchen at this signing. If he isn't good enough for Stevenage Boro, or Southend, or Huddersfield then chances are he just might not be all that.

[Fan The Flames]

i agree ,we got the usual negative posters,we seem to be bigger moaners then tottenham these days.

 

So for instance if we had signed the Hungarian Marian Parhars, a player that was top goal scorer in a clubs successful promotion from the second tier of Hungarian football but no one had seen him play would you be saying to the happy posters "clam down happy clappers we haven't seen him play for us yet". No you would be joining in the excitment having made an assesment based on the information at hand. It works both ways.

[Minsk]

FTF and CB Fry, some very sensible posts!

[Viking Warrior]

FTF CB and Co

 

I make Know comment about Zoltan until I see him play.

 

I take your point about his southend days but there maybe reasons why he wasnt in the southend side.

 

Robbie Keane was either ****e at liverpool or didnt fit in. But he hasnt become a bad player over night.

 

It was all that long ago we saying how bad dyer was and we should get rid, but now some of the fans are wanting him back

 

As for Zoltan lets wait and see how he turns out. you could be right but then again you could be wrong

[Fan The Flames]

FTF CB and Co

 

I make Know comment about Zoltan until I see him play.

 

I take your point about his southend days but there maybe reasons why he wasnt in the southend side.

 

Robbie Keane was either ****e at liverpool or didnt fit in. But he hasnt become a bad player over night.

 

It was all that long ago we saying how bad dyer was and we should get rid, but now some of the fans are wanting him back

 

As for Zoltan lets wait and see how he turns out. you could be right but then again you could be wrong

 

Lets hope he is the real deal, we need a lucky break.

[Calvin]

I have not been happy about the way this transfer window has gone as we are trying to survive the championship!. I am happy that we managed to keep our players but at the same time could have made money out Rudi by selling him. AS he is a waste of wages currently as Rupert wont let him play a game due to his contract conditions.

 

The only signing which I am 100 percent against is Zoltan. It is not good that the fact he played for such a weak side. even now, hes played for a weak league 2 .

I just hope that he does well for the club.

I have so much doubts about him.

[SaintRobbie]

We need another striker and have x2 on loan. We need an attacking midfielder who can score goals and have x1 on loan.

 

Thank god Rudi is staying... but please get Rasiak back to partner his Polish International strike partner and please get Dyer back.

[NickG]

I have not been happy about the way this transfer window has gone as we are trying to survive the championship!. I am happy that we managed to keep our players but at the same time could have made money out Rudi by selling him. AS he is a waste of wages currently as Rupert wont let him play a game due to his contract conditions.

 

The only signing which I am 100 percent against is Zoltan. It is not good that the fact he played for such a weak side. even now, hes played for a weak league 2 .

I just hope that he does well for the club.

I have so much doubts about him.

 

probably very cheap emergency cover

[s0108787]

had anyone heard of JPS before he arrived? I've been pleased with what i've seen from him.

[Calvin]

probably very cheap emergency cover

 

That is the Rupert way!

[NickG]

I have not been happy about the way this transfer window has gone as we are trying to survive the championship!. I am happy that we managed to keep our players but at the same time could have made money out Rudi by selling him. AS he is a waste of wages currently as Rupert wont let him play a game due to his contract conditions.

The only signing which I am 100 percent against is Zoltan. It is not good that the fact he played for such a weak side. even now, hes played for a weak league 2 .

I just hope that he does well for the club.

I have so much doubts about him.

 

just not true -was playing until few days ago when he asked to be released for a medical.

 

Zoltan is probably very very cheap cover.

[NickG]

That is the Rupert way!

 

and it makes sense (not the Rupert way - I mean to save money on cover!) remember, in this transfer window Saeijs also came in who looks excellent

[mynameisthehulk]

No, but neither is it slagging him.

 

It is a FACT that Zoltan was signed by Southend after they were relegated to League 1 and when he couldn't break into their side he was loaned out to Stevenage Borough of the Conference (where he made a couple of appearances and stayed on the bench a few more times) and this (I believe) was only last season!

 

Now, I want any player in a Saints shirt to be the world's best and become a hero at SMS but either:

 

a) he has improved DRAMATICALLY in the past year

 

or

 

b) Wotte was lieing when he said he would only sign proven players better than we already had.

 

Which do you think is the case?

 

P.S. Zoltan played for the team we beat 5-2 at SMS recently. Scorers: DMG 2, Spiderman, Pulis, Gasmi

 

He might be better than Ollie? A lot on here seem to think he is League2/Conference standard, therefore this guy mighty be a better back up for Perry and Size than Lancashire?

[um pahars]

Robbie Keane was either ****e at liverpool or didnt fit in. But he hasnt become a bad player over night.

 

With all due respect I think that if you're comparing a player who is frozen out of Liverpool (2nd in the league) and just sold for £12m, with a player who was frozen out of Stevenage Borough (probably 102nd) and signed on a loan, then I have to question the validity of the comparison.

[RedFear]

more like a great piece of pr by lowe

make everyone before the window believe we have to sell....then dont sell

and everyone thinks wow what a great window

 

is not selling really great news for us these days??? ****, we really dont have any aspirations or ambitions as a club anymore

[madsent]

I have not been happy about the way this transfer window has gone as we are trying to survive the championship!. I am happy that we managed to keep our players but at the same time could have made money out Rudi by selling him. AS he is a waste of wages currently as Rupert wont let him play a game due to his contract conditions.

 

The only signing which I am 100 percent against is Zoltan. It is not good that the fact he played for such a weak side. even now, hes played for a weak league 2 .

I just hope that he does well for the club.

I have so much doubts about him.

 

Rudi Skacel played in 16 consecutive games before the Barnsley game when Molyneux came in at left back and was suspended against Doncaster. He missed out on the Norwich and Swansea games trying to get a move to a German club. He'll play if Wotte wants him to.