del boy Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Fantastic we don't "give anyone away at half-price" during a transfer window, we bring in a player and yet the thread STILL degenerates into point scoring *****iness. Unreal. Picking up a couple of points from this thread and coming up with a maybe The Upjest chairman wants ties with English clubs. I've heard tales that he is supposed to be "innovative" and "dynamic" and seeking to take his team back to their glory days of the '70's. Saints are looking at 20 somethings that may have slipped through the net between Academy & First Team (Holmes is a good example of a "mild" success except for getting crocked) the others - well maybe one day... SCW was brought in by Rupes to aid that development of players between Academy & 1st Team. An ex manager has set up an academy to do just that. maybe we see a benefit in building a "post grad school" type of set up, cheap nearlies who develop later - same as Hoddle. Or 1) Upjest reckon he will develop better here and have some sort of deal with us sort of like a private education fee as a percentage of a sell on clause? 2) We see something in him that could be brought out by people who look to develop players rather than watch millionaires run around listening to ipods all day 3) They paid us to take him off their hands (we needed the beer money) 4) With that CV he's probably on about 400 Euros a week or something Everybody was doing a WTF when we signed the Dutch CB guy, let's face it Zoltan has more experience than Ollie and we only have two CB's at the moment, so for now IMHO he is cover and AS LONG AS we don't get a bad injury there he has the rest of the season to be developed into cover for Perry who may not make next season. I'll wait and see, in case of panic break the glass and call in an emergency loan in the next month An outbreak of common sense and reasoned comment on the forum - whats going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 An outbreak of common sense and reasoned comment on the forum - whats going on? Don't worry, someone from the "let's all hang ourselves everything is ****e" brigade will be along to spoil the fun shortly. We've had tons of players who have been rejected by other clubs and turned out to be blinding for us (Paul Williams is a good example), tons we've written off who have then turned the corner (Crouch, Alan Bennett) and some who were ****e when they came and ****e when they left (insert name here). Fact is the posters that slagged off Crouch and Bennett, crawl under a rock when they suddenly 'come good'. Let him play, if he's good then great, if he's gash then we haven't lost a lot. Say we're paying him £1K a week, we've probably committed £25K as a gamble. That's two weeks of Stern John's wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Trust me, your fantasies are way more of a mentalist nature. I'm all for having a pop where it's justified, but some of the nonsense you come out with is on a par with Scooby and Sundance/whatever his new name is. No offence intended, just that you come across slightly weird. I agree. I have my suspicion that Stanley is in fact either the same person as Scooby, just playing a different role, or in fact a PR Plant paid for by Rupert Lowe to boost his support through reverse psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Let him play, if he's good then great, if he's gash then we haven't lost a lot. Say we're paying him £1K a week, we've probably committed £25K as a gamble. That's two weeks of Stern John's wages. But if he is gash then he will be in good company with the other 5 loanees then wont he...but then again you will probably say all those wages still wouldnt add up to Sterns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I've slept on this and decided that it's 99% likely that Stanley believes there are "Reds under the bed". I think you've got this one wrong mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Don't worry, someone from the "let's all hang ourselves everything is ****e" brigade will be along to spoil the fun shortly. We've had tons of players who have been rejected by other clubs and turned out to be blinding for us (Paul Williams is a good example), tons we've written off who have then turned the corner (Crouch, Alan Bennett) and some who were ****e when they came and ****e when they left (insert name here). Fact is the posters that slagged off Crouch and Bennett, crawl under a rock when they suddenly 'come good'. Let him play, if he's good then great, if he's gash then we haven't lost a lot. Say we're paying him £1K a week, we've probably committed £25K as a gamble. That's two weeks of Stern John's wages. I think very few are up for hanging themselves over this one. Some have rightly pointed out that it probably doesn't fit in with Wotte's comments that he will only bring in better than we already have, some have quite legitimately questioned this guys calibre based on his previous English experience and some have just appeared fairly nonchalent and not accepting of whatever spin the OS comes up with. I very much doubt he's even getting the £1k a week you guess at, and reckon those inside the Club view it as you do, in that it's just a cheap punt on someone who looked alright in a friendly. People have looked at his stats to date and taken in his adventure with Southend and Stevenage and come to a logical conclusion that this guy probably isn't all that. They might be wrong, they might be right, but I struggle to find anything in his past to get all happy clappy about (apart from his cool name and his height). I'm sure we'd love him to come good, I'm sure we'd all love him to be the next Killer, but I think that given all the information we have on him to date, then that he is something of a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I've slept on this and decided that it's 99% likely that Stanley believes there are "Reds under the bed". I think you've got this one wrong mate. Indeed. When confronted with a good old conspiracy theory, it's always worth remembering the words of David Hume, the great 18th-century Scots thinker and empiricist. Considering people's belief in miracles and such events, he wrote: "When anyone tells me, that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself, whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. If the falsehood of his testimony would be more miraculous, than the event which he relates; then, and not till then, can he pretend to command my belief or opinion." So what's the "greater miracle" here? That we've signed a Hungarian central defender (who is available and cheap) on loan, in the hope that he turns out to be a decent player? Or that we've entered into a clandestine arrangement with a Hungarian club to become their feeder club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Did anyone ever get his football Manager stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I think very few are up for hanging themselves over this one. Some have rightly pointed out that it probably doesn't fit in with Wotte's comments that he will only bring in better than we already have, some have quite legitimately questioned this guys calibre based on his previous English experience and some have just appeared fairly nonchalent and not accepting of whatever spin the OS comes up with. I very much doubt he's even getting the £1k a week you guess at, and reckon those inside the Club view it as you do, in that it's just a cheap punt on someone who looked alright in a friendly. People have looked at his stats to date and taken in his adventure with Southend and Stevenage and come to a logical conclusion that this guy probably isn't all that. They might be wrong, they might be right, but I struggle to find anything in his past to get all happy clappy about (apart from his cool name and his height). I'm sure we'd love him to come good, I'm sure we'd all love him to be the next Killer, but I think that given all the information we have on him to date, then that he is something of a long shot. agree with all above. name is surely worth the money? Think it is probably cheap emergency cover and perhaps seen something that makes them think he has an outside chance of coming good. Saeijs is the CB signing for the window. This thread would have been boring and died if it wasn't for Stanley's theory that he is the advanced man in an invasion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Interesting theories, but I very much doubt we will become a feeder club for Ujpest! The likes of Saga and Skacel will not fancy heading over to Hungary for their football. Now what I would look at is the work permit situation. Not sure what the Hungarian rules are, but what about saints signing loads of youngsters from Eastern Europe or Africa and then loaning them to Hungary until they qualify for Hungarian (and subsequently EU) nationality. Or am I just being insane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Zoltan Liptak signed ........ Why do we need a Lib Dem who used to shaft a Cheeky Girl ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Does anyone at Southampton FC actually like anyone else at Southampton FC? Members of the board openly dislike each other and it filters right down through to the few people who use this board. It's all petty point scoring and a total intolerance to accept a point of view different to your own. Oh and it's Altrincham although it is pronounces ALL-TRING-HEM. Hee hee. Really - and I think that you'll find it's 'pronounced', which is pronounced 'PRO-NOUNCED'...! Whoops, sorry I think that I was probably petty point scoring there - but hey, it ain't as if I don't like you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte has said Saeijs came on his reccomendation. If this lad is of similar quality or better then perhaps we have someone in charge that can make us a team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 This thread would have been boring and died if it wasn't for Stanley's theory that he is the advanced man in an invasion! My theory is a good one. Over the coming weeks you just see who leaves Saints in the other direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 My theory is a good one. Over the coming weeks you just see who leaves Saints in the other direction. Like your previous theories about players leaving during the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Like your previous theories about players leaving during the transfer window. Just because they haven't left doesn't mean deals haven't be done to loan them out at a more politicaly convenient time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Let's hope Perry and Saijs stay fit: he played twice for Stevenage on loan and one of their fans described him as "shi t". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Let's hope Perry and Saijs stay fit: he played twice for Stevenage on loan and one of their fans described him as "shi t". ........ What did their other fan describe him as ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Prelude to a Hungarian takeover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Quite frankly, whether he turns out to be good or bad, this signing is no more than a bonus signing. I wasn't expecting anyone to come in during January, and I was expecting us to lose at least two players. As it has turned out, we've kept our squad together, and added one or two players. Thats a pretty good January. Adding a centre half is a great move - we're conceding far too many lately and thats with Perry and Saeijs. Just imagine if we had to plug OL in there - he's clearly not ready and, I suspect, will never be good enough at this level. I'm a little concerned about our cover at RB - anyone agree with me that Spiderman could do a job there? My team for the run in.. Davis Spiderman Perry Saeijs Surman Smith Wotton Euell Skacel DMG, Saga Subs: Bart/Forecast, Liptak, James/Gobern, McLaggon/Gillett, Lallana/BWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Just because they haven't left doesn't mean deals haven't be done to loan them out at a more politicaly convenient time. You have insider information? No I thought not. Still clinging on to some hope that something will happen to voice your anti-Lowe stance. I wonder what you will be saying after the loan window closes when no-one has left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 My theory is a good one. Over the coming weeks you just see who leaves Saints in the other direction. get a grip ffs, do you really see Skacel moving there after he rejected Ipswich earlier in the season? A club like Ujpest doesn't have the financial clout to afford a player with his salary. The only players from us they can afford are the ones not playing in our first team yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 My theory is a good one. Over the coming weeks you just see who leaves Saints in the other direction. Yes, let's do that. How many weeks do you think? Till the end of the loan window? The end of the season? How many will be heading for Hungary, given our newly achieved status of feeder club? Any thoughts? And, if nobody's shipped off to Ujpest before the end of the season, how long will it take you to acknowledge that your theory was wrong? Oh, hang on, I'm being daft there, aren't I? Your theory won't be wrong; it'll be delayed for political reasons, or the whole evil scheme will be happening at a slower pace than you at first thought it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 ........ What did their other fan describe him as ???? Perhaps you can give us a description after watching him in action rather than writing him of before he has actually played. Then again with all those dots in your posts it would be hard to work out what you are writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 get a grip ffs, do you really see Skacel moving there after he rejected Ipswich earlier in the season? A club like Ujpest doesn't have the financial clout to afford a player with his salary. The only players from us they can afford are the ones not playing in our first team yet. Until we know if their chiarman has money behind him or not it's wrong to say they couldn't afford him. For all we know he could have become very wealthy when the soviet union collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Did anyone ever get his football Manager stats? I tried but my scout was so damn slow. I'll make sure I get them tonight when I'm home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Quite frankly, whether he turns out to be good or bad, this signing is no more than a bonus signing. I wasn't expecting anyone to come in during January, and I was expecting us to lose at least two players. As it has turned out, we've kept our squad together, and added one or two players. Thats a pretty good January. Adding a centre half is a great move - we're conceding far too many lately and thats with Perry and Saeijs. Just imagine if we had to plug OL in there - he's clearly not ready and, I suspect, will never be good enough at this level. I'm a little concerned about our cover at RB - anyone agree with me that Spiderman could do a job there? My team for the run in.. Davis Spiderman Perry Saeijs Surman Smith Wotton Euell Skacel DMG, Saga Subs: Bart/Forecast, Liptak, James/Gobern, McLaggon/Gillett, Lallana/BWP You were going so well until you mentioned Smith in the team. Please he is not good enough even for the reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Yes, let's do that. How many weeks do you think? Till the end of the loan window? The end of the season? How many will be heading for Hungary, given our newly achieved status of feeder club? Any thoughts? And, if nobody's shipped off to Ujpest before the end of the season, how long will it take you to acknowledge that your theory was wrong? Oh, hang on, I'm being daft there, aren't I? Your theory won't be wrong; it'll be delayed for political reasons, or the whole evil scheme will be happening at a slower pace than you at first thought it would. Administration may well overtake Lowes plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Until we know if their chiarman has money behind him or not it's wrong to say they couldn't afford him. For all we know he could have become very wealthy when the soviet union collapsed. So you don't know if they could afford him or not :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Administration may well overtake Lowes plans. Administration may not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 So you don't know if they could afford him or not :shock: The inconsiderate basterds have written all the articles about him in Hungarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 You have insider information? No I thought not. Still clinging on to some hope that something will happen to voice your anti-Lowe stance. I wonder what you will be saying after the loan window closes when IF no-one has left. IF no-one has left no doubt it will just be a ploy that Rupes is using to make sure he has more assets to strip when he throws his and the other shareholders money away when he takes us into Admin on the day that the team make us mathmatically safe just so that he can stick 2 fingers up to the fans that hate him so much. Read between the lines...... Its all there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Just because they haven't left doesn't mean deals haven't be done to loan them out at a more politicaly convenient time. FFS Stanley you dip**** (fook me is it 1993??), Skacel nor Saga would move to someone like that, they aren't big enough or prestigeous enough clubs. And one of the points is that they have to agree to any loan move. In fact, I would be more than willing to bet money on it. When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebra's, you crazy bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Administration may not happen. The slide in the share price suggests we are heading in one direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) The slide in the share price suggests we are heading in one direction. And if we somehow manage to avoid relegation and actually start to pick a few points up which way will the slide be heading then? EDIT: Not sure how you manage to do it Stanley but you have managed to take yet another thread completly off topic. I wonder how many of your posts on this thread alone have actually commented on Zoltan? But if you are going to keep it off topic can you let me know next weeks Lotto numbers please as you seem to know all about what is coming? Edited 3 February, 2009 by saintjay77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 You were going so well until you mentioned Smith in the team. Please he is not good enough even for the reserves. How about we set a precedent for this forum. It'll baffle many, if not all of the posters on this website: Lets make a compromise - I'll swap you Smith for McLaggon on the right side of midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 And if we somehow manage to avoid relegation and actually start to pick a few points up which way will the slide be heading then? If the city believe we are a company heading for admin our share price will continue to slide regardless of how we do on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 ..sounds like a character out of Flash Gordon! Hope he is 'hungary' for success !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Until we know if their chiarman has money behind him or not it's wrong to say they couldn't afford him. For all we know he could have become very wealthy when the soviet union collapsed. It may have escaped your notice, but Hungary was never part of the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Administration may well overtake Lowes plans. OK, so if administration doesn't happen, and we're still not packing off loads of players to Ujpest by the start of next season. What price your theory then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 How about we set a precedent for this forum. It'll baffle many, if not all of the posters on this website: Lets make a compromise - I'll swap you Smith for McLaggon on the right side of midfield. Done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 How is that reserving judgement, ur basically saying that because we havnt heard of him he is ****e! Had many people heard of Sajas (sp) before we signed him a few weeks ago - looks like a good atm!! It means that I won't pass judgment on him until I've seen him play a few games, but my expectations are not very high. The two are not inconsistent and I look forward to being pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Got to laugh really. We signed a player who was sold by Southend for £60k a year or so ago for failing to break into the division 1 side. Upon letting him go the manager said "Zoltan never really progressed how we'd hoped". Ironically he only got to play reserve games. Even more humorous is that he is "an Hungarian under 21 international" even though he is 24.... Now i'm not knocking the lad but if he failed to impress at Southend,Huddersfield and the giants that are Stevenage Borough then realisticly how can we expect him to impress here? I think this deal stinks of desperation more then anything. As my mate quite rightly points out, when was the last time you heard a good player (championship level) move clubs for £50-£60k? For starters how about Michael Kightly who signed for Wolves from Grays for absolute buttons. Oh hang on a minute, wasn't he also released by Steve `the talent spotter' Tilson at Southend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Did I mention Liptak scores a lot from corners with his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Did I mention Liptak scores a lot from corners with his head? In what net ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 FM stats anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 nb... From FM 08 forum on Southend Team: Zoltan Liptak Zoltan was an odd signing for Southend, do you know many players from Hungary that are any good? Well he isn't one thats for sure. He lacks any real talent in game and really doesn't offer much in potential either. It might be worth keeping as a squad player at best otherwise try and get some of that wasted 50k back. also see the link to view his stats: http://footballmanagerportal.co.uk/fm2008directory/visitsite/1818 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Judging by the above, he sounds good in the air and brave. That'll do me. JP would have made him take pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 . Just look at the fact we played them in a friendly in mid season - that doesn't happen for no reason. I'm now really convinced we'll see players going the other way and i don't believe they'll be crap like we've just brought in. Contrary to the spin that's been lapped up by many on here i see Ujpest as being a club who will aid Lowe in asset stripping our squad and that being the case this tells me we are close to administration. We also played Bayern Munich in a mid season friendly a couple of years back. Are we now their feeder club too? How many of our players have gone to play for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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