Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Likewise it takes not the brains of an Archbishop to work out that any 'links that we might forge' will be used to our advantage. When you say "our advantage" does this mean Saints becoming a League 2 feeder club, but a solvent club with Lowes shareholding still in tact? I think you'll find that any 'asset stripping' that is done will probably only involve players move to the UK. OK a few of our lads could go there for experience, agreed, but lets not get all hysterical about a tenuous link with a 2nd division club in the back of beyond eh? Ujpest are currently 2nd in the Hungarian top flight with 20 league titles and 8 cup titles to their name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I would have prefered zoltan gera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Thankyou Minsk. I wonder which of those players Ujpest will take off our hands. I think it's more likely to be a foreign player, possibly an East European. Right, a Poland or Czech Republic international is going to play in the Hungarian league.... There is no indication whatsoever that we are sending anyone there. Perhaps the reason they came here to play some friendlies is because they had a winterbreak and had to play some friendlies before the league restarted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Right, a Poland or Czech Republic international is going to play in the Hungarian league.... There is no indication whatsoever that we are sending anyone there. Perhaps the reason they came here to play some friendlies is because they had a winterbreak and had to play some friendlies before the league restarted? No, even their chairman has admitted that they wish to tie up with an English club. That is why they came to England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Right, a Poland or Czech Republic international is going to play in the Hungarian league.... There is no indication whatsoever that we are sending anyone there. Perhaps the reason they came here to play some friendlies is because they had a winterbreak and had to play some friendlies before the league restarted? Maybe they talked the Saints into releasing JP and we reluctantly said, " Help yourself we have four others like that waiting their turn". :D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Stanley, you are ignoring Minsk's comment about Saga not being allowed to move! I hope he hasn't ****ed on your bonfire a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Stanley, you are ignoring Minsk's comment about Saga not being allowed to move! I hope he hasn't ****ed on your bonfire a little. No Mr Newbie poster, he has not. Skacel remains the obvious player to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 No, even their chairman has admitted that they wish to tie up with an English club. That is why they came to England. Even so, to have a co-operation with a club doesn't automatically mean shipping off first team players. Its probably more about cooperation in youth development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Even so, to have a co-operation with a club doesn't automatically mean shipping off first team players. Its probably more about cooperation in youth development. If that is the case, and i'm glad you now agree that a link up looks likely, why the secrecy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 When you say "our advantage" does this mean Saints becoming a League 2 feeder club, but a solvent club with Lowes shareholding still in tact? I think your imagination is going into overdrive. If you wanted to argue that this is potentialy a distraction and a drain on time and effort, then you might have a semblence of a case, but the idea that we'll become a feeder club to a Hungarian club just comes across a tad mentalist. As an aside, I wonder what happened to our tie up with FC Qingdao in China. I'm sure it was announced in our relegation season and was supposed to last for 6 years or so!!!!! Now that was a waste of time, effort and probably money;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 No Mr Newbie poster, he has not. Skacel remains the obvious player to start with. Nice adding of the "to start with" there. Who else is going to Hungary then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 (edited) When you say "our advantage" does this mean Saints becoming a League 2 feeder club, but a solvent club with Lowes shareholding still in tact? Absolutely no idea at all. But I'm pretty certain that, as I said before, even Rupert Lowe is not about to go sending all of our young talent off to play in a league that has less coverage than ours here. He knows where his eggs are - and playing his best talent in Budapest is not good business either way. Ujpest are currently 2nd in the Hungarian top flight with 20 league titles and 8 cup titles to their name. Whooopy doo - sorry for the sarcasm - but can any poster here put their hand on their heart and say that they had even heard of Ujpest until a couple of days (weeks) ago. Me - I often look out for the Hungarian results - errr actually no I don't. We may forge some link with them - this is not new - but it doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy where we let them cherry pick our best players. You need to get a little perspective on things - we played a friendly and have invited one of their better players for a loan period at the club, perhaps with a view to a permanent move - no more, no less. Edited 2 February, 2009 by Micky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 No Mr Newbie poster, he has not. Skacel remains the obvious player to start with. Skacel did not play in 'that' match. As I said, if your 'theory' has any legs in it (which I sincerely doubt) hopefully they will take Pulis from us and pay for the privalege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I think your imagination is going into overdrive. If you wanted to argue that this is potentialy a distraction and a drain on time and effort, then you might have a semblence of a case, but the idea that we'll become a feeder club to a Hungarian club just comes across a tad mentalist. Not half as mentalist as you expecting the Saints Trust to ever be taken seriously again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 If that is the case, and i'm glad you now agree that a link up looks likely, why the secrecy? Change likely to possible and I can agree. And do you really expect them to post updates of conversations about a possible cooperation on the website? Maybe they had a talk around the friendly and decided that it wasn't a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Change likely to possible and I can agree. And do you really expect them to post updates of conversations about a possible cooperation on the website? Maybe they had a talk around the friendly and decided that it wasn't a good plan. Maybe, maybe not, but in this climate of deep mistrust in the current board speculation is only natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Maybe, maybe not, but in this climate of deep mistrust in the current board speculation is only natural. Perhaps its understandable but not realistic or healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Perhaps its understandable but not realistic or healthy. Are you suggesting we should believe all the spin coming out of SFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Are you suggesting we should believe all the spin coming out of SFC? Are you suggesting we should believe all the sh1t coming out of Stanley's posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Are you suggesting we should believe all the spin coming out of SFC? I'm suggesting you ignore it and wait for other channels to come with news. That also means not going bonkers with conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Whooopy doo - sorry for the sarcasm - but can any poster here put their hand on their heart and say that they had even heard of Ujpest until a couple of days (weeks) ago. Me - I often look out for the Hungarian results - errr actually no I don't. One of the top teams in Europe in the mid 70s, Ujpest Dosza (same team, just changed their name a little), European Cup SF and QF, they were actually pretty well known at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/West Saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 A Zoltan of swing, or another Ali Dia = Dire straits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 You only need to look at what Southend fans are saying to realise this fella is a crock of sh1te. Plus the fact he was deemed surplus to requirements at a conference side and some unknown tiny Hungarian outfit. We're a laughing stock. If you're reading this Zoltan, fu(k off and never come back. amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Not half as mentalist as you expecting the Saints Trust to ever be taken seriously again. Trust me, your fantasies are way more of a mentalist nature. I'm all for having a pop where it's justified, but some of the nonsense you come out with is on a par with Scooby and Sundance/whatever his new name is. No offence intended, just that you come across slightly weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Fishfingers is about right. Zoltan had two first team games for Stevenage on loan from Southend but after Peter Taylor secured more experienced signings and some returning from injury..Zoltan was then an unused sub in the next four games. He was on loan for Nov. and Dec of 07. Peter Taylor did not rate him or want to retain him at Stevenage and at that time they were not rated highly. On his return to Southend, Zoltan carried on playing for Southend Reserves aghainst the likes of Northampton, Peterborough, Luton, and against Stevenage 3 months after playing for them on loan) Chelmsford and Concord in Essex Senior cup. He scored 2 goals from corners in County Cup games and was generally playing with academy players and some first team returning from injury. He could not make the break through into the first team and after playing Reserve football from Jan-May returned to his homeland. Southend and Stevenage did not want him..Previously Huddersfield had him on loan Jan 2007...not signed hence going to Southend July 2007...Where he was between Jan and July? He is born 10/12/84 and with his gangling appearance is probably a cross between the lad Lancashire and Baseya in build and height...Although from his Southend and Stevenage days he was very thin and not strong enough. At Stevenage he was Managed/coached by Peter Taylor. At Southend Reserves he was Managed/coached by Dean Austin ex Southend , watford and Spurs right back. Although he has played many times for Hungary u/21 when he was younger he was not able to break into these above mentioned sides. I am told that he has either improved beyond all reason or Saints are taking a big gamble. Peter Taylor did not take him to Wycombe and Southend did not want him to return. I don't think posters are putting him or the club down but in my opinion just wondering what the hell is going on. Again WHY not 1 month trial or a couple of reserve games on trial....Alternatively ask 4/5 other coaches who have seen him play and train regularly. Before you ask I know the father of one of his English coaches and that is why my information is that he is as big a gamble as Pulis, Gasmi and the like...In fact he was described if playing centre forward would be similar to Peckhart. Not interested in arguing...this is just my own observations pieced together from snippets and odd comments gleaned from various sources at Southend and Stevenage. For the benefit of Fishfingers Stevenage beat a very poor Altringham team 27/11/07 Zoltan played mid-field defending and centre back.. Away to Altringham 30/12/07 Zoltan was an unused sub. He also played against Salisbury and a cup loss to Dorchester...other sub games not used v Rushden and Woking. Will he succeed at Saints......Doubtful but as suggested we give him chance but after 2/3 reserve games we should have a forum consensus...as we are the back room team. HTH think that is fair -not one I am getting excited about, but if he is needed willing to see how he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Time will tell. I will re-post my comments when it happens. as confident as you were when you said club were lying saying no one being sold this window and hope to bring in CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Got to laugh really. We signed a player who was sold by Southend for £60k a year or so ago for failing to break into the division 1 side. Upon letting him go the manager said "Zoltan never really progressed how we'd hoped". Ironically he only got to play reserve games. Even more humorous is that he is "an Hungarian under 21 international" even though he is 24.... Now i'm not knocking the lad but if he failed to impress at Southend,Huddersfield and the giants that are Stevenage Borough then realisticly how can we expect him to impress here? I think this deal stinks of desperation more then anything. As my mate quite rightly points out, when was the last time you heard a good player (championship level) move clubs for £50-£60k? So i hope the lad does well for all our sakes but if anyone looks at this signing and thinks it is a good deal then again i have to laugh. Thankfully it is just a loan, i probably earn more money then this guy does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Are you suggesting we should believe all the spin coming out of SFC? Are you suggesting we should believe all the sh1t coming out of Stanley's posts? one said no signings in the window and players will be sold the other said no sales and hopefully CB in Which one was spin/sh1t and which was the truth?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Trust me, your fantasies are way more of a mentalist nature. I'm all for having a pop where it's justified, but some of the nonsense you come out with is on a par with Scooby and Sundance/whatever his new name is. No offence intended, just that you come across slightly weird. There was no need to add "no offence intended" as it clearly was intended to offend. It's a shame the club is in the state it is, but you must take a fair proportion of the blame. If you hadn't cosied up to Wilde during your bodged running of the Saints Trust then maybe, just maybe the whole thing wouldn't have become a laughing stock and it would still be there today when it's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 One of the top teams in Europe in the mid 70s, Ujpest Dosza (same team, just changed their name a little), European Cup SF and QF, they were actually pretty well known at the time. Ahhhh I knew there would be one, and fair play to you sir. Mid 70's, so about 35 years ago then, well known, European glory, perhaps their day is coming around again - dammit perhaps we should get into bed with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 one said no signings in the window and players will be sold the other said no sales and hopefully CB in Which one was spin/sh1t and which was the truth?:confused: Let's just see who's loaned out over the coming weeks. BTW nothing beats this little gem. dutch jokers? lol! -when will the humble pie / apologies come? Every game and every interview he justs gets better! Couldn't imagine NP or GB doing nearly as well in situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 (edited) lol - can't remember the context but it doesn't look good does it! I thought he would do better, but as I said in the thread I started after Doncaster game I was wrong. Maybe with a bit of luck early on the pressure of lack of home wins would not have increased so much, but bottom line -thought he was going to do better, got it wrong, he failed. Edited 2 February, 2009 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Got to laugh really. We signed a player who was sold by Southend for £60k a year or so ago for failing to break into the division 1 side. Upon letting him go the manager said "Zoltan never really progressed how we'd hoped". Ironically he only got to play reserve games. Even more humorous is that he is "an Hungarian under 21 international" even though he is 24.... Now i'm not knocking the lad but if he failed to impress at Southend,Huddersfield and the giants that are Stevenage Borough then realisticly how can we expect him to impress here? I think this deal stinks of desperation more then anything. As my mate quite rightly points out, when was the last time you heard a good player (championship level) move clubs for £50-£60k? So i hope the lad does well for all our sakes but if anyone looks at this signing and thinks it is a good deal then again i have to laugh. Thankfully it is just a loan, i probably earn more money then this guy does Does that mean that you are a better player than he....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 there's my humble pie -yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 There was no need to add "no offence intended" as it clearly was intended to offend. Honestly, I didn't mean to offend you and maybe I should have been more subtle, but your posts do come across as slightly unbalanced at times. Maybe it would be worth reviewing them afresh in the morning and having a rethink. I'm sure there are many sticks to beat Lowe with, but sometimes your persistence with irrelevant stuff or stuff which is clealry ludicrous undermines any other good posts you (and others) may make. Just as Scooby was actually a real detriment to the pro Lowe cause, then sadly sometimes you are his complete nemesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Does that mean that you are a better player than he....??? I very much doubt it But i would probably guess he is closer to my level of playing then say Sagas level of playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Honestly, I didn't mean to offend you and maybe I should have been more subtle, but your posts do come across as slightly unbalanced at times. Maybe it would be worth reviewing them afresh in the morning and having a rethink. I'm sure there are many sticks to beat Lowe with, but sometimes your persistence with irrelevant stuff or stuff which is clealry ludicrous undermines any other good posts you (and others) may make. Just as Scooby was actually a real detriment to the pro Lowe cause, then sadly sometimes you are his complete nemesis. Review my posts by all means, but you will be stirring up a hornets nest as i'll do exactly the same with your posts. If you wish to carry on with your digs then feel free though because two can play at that game and the end result will be that neither of us come out looking very good. I'm not fussed either way though so it's entirely up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I very much doubt it But i would probably guess he is closer to my level of playing then say Sagas level of playing Are you any good ??? This could be a significantly worrying statement. You're answer could start the mother of all threads on here, not to mention the stampede of fans to SMS in order to actually play in the next game...!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Review my posts by all means, but you will be stirring up a hornets nest as i'll do exactly the same with your posts. If you wish to carry on with your digs then feel free though because two can play at that game and the end result will be that neither of us come out looking very good. I'm not fussed either way though so it's entirely up to you. I think you might have 'gone off on one' there - perhaps you should review um pahars last post with regard to where he suggests that it might be worth reviewing posts in the morning...! If that is not to difficult to understand of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Are you any good ??? This could be a significantly worrying statement. You're answer could start the mother of all threads on here, not to mention the stampede of fans to SMS in order to actually play in the next game...!!!! If we are getting in players who didn't even make it in the technical division 6 then we might have more of a chance then you think! I was waiting by the phone until 5pm for the call. Maybe the snow knocked the phone lines out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Review my posts by all means, You must have misread what I posted, as I meant you need to review your posts, because you do come across slightly obsessed and a tad of a mentalist. BTW you're obviously fussed, because you're now throwing a hissy fit.:smt022:smt022 Tris, come along to the next march and I'll give you a cuddle (and a guide ot internet posting as well as showing you my ZANU and ZAPU books). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 If we are getting in players who didn't even make it in the technical division 6 then we might have more of a chance then you think! I was waiting by the phone until 5pm for the call. Maybe the snow knocked the phone lines out? Or perhaps they'd seen your wage demands - lower your price and who knows, that call might yet come...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 You must have misread what I posted, as I meant you need to review your posts, because you do come across slightly obsessed and a tad of a mentalist. BTW you're obviously fussed, because you're now throwing a hissy fit.:smt022:smt022 Tris, come along to the next march and I'll give you a cuddle (and a guide ot internet posting as well as showing you my ZANU and ZAPU books). **** me, how can you talk about hissy fits after your hissy fit when i dared to give an honest opinion of the Saints Trust last week. Also you overuse of smileys makes you look a complete plank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Zoltan Liptak, I bought some of this in Boots today, its dead handy for chapped lips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Oh dear, oh dear. Here we go again. Same old problem we experienced in our last days in the Prem...stocking up on players that would struggle to look good in the league below. And guess where we'll end up? Yes, you've got it in one...Lowe and Wilde with the help of Wotte are setting us up for life in L1 - its so blatantly obvious and so very sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 brilliant news. I've been saying for donkeys that we need to replace Perry with a big solid centre back offering height, pace and ability on the ball. For all Perry's comittment in the tackle he is poor at set peices, slow on the turn and terrible on the ball. I hope this fella is decent. ...and not a donkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeH Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, Dude, Sweet, and for completeness, lets hope he brings his continuum transfuctioner with him!! I'd be hoping more for the incredibly hot chicks that offer pleasure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Liptak scores often from corners. If & when he makes his debut - put your money on him for 1st goal scorer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) Fantastic we don't "give anyone away at half-price" during a transfer window, we bring in a player and yet the thread STILL degenerates into point scoring *****iness. Unreal. Picking up a couple of points from this thread and coming up with a maybe The Upjest chairman wants ties with English clubs. I've heard tales that he is supposed to be "innovative" and "dynamic" and seeking to take his team back to their glory days of the '70's. Saints are looking at 20 somethings that may have slipped through the net between Academy & First Team (Holmes is a good example of a "mild" success except for getting crocked) the others - well maybe one day... SCW was brought in by Rupes to aid that development of players between Academy & 1st Team. An ex manager has set up an academy to do just that. maybe we see a benefit in building a "post grad school" type of set up, cheap nearlies who develop later - same as Hoddle. Or 1) Upjest reckon he will develop better here and have some sort of deal with us sort of like a private education fee as a percentage of a sell on clause? 2) We see something in him that could be brought out by people who look to develop players rather than watch millionaires run around listening to ipods all day 3) They paid us to take him off their hands (we needed the beer money) 4) With that CV he's probably on about 400 Euros a week or something Everybody was doing a WTF when we signed the Dutch CB guy, let's face it Zoltan has more experience than Ollie and we only have two CB's at the moment, so for now IMHO he is cover and AS LONG AS we don't get a bad injury there he has the rest of the season to be developed into cover for Perry who may not make next season. I'll wait and see, in case of panic break the glass and call in an emergency loan in the next month Edited 3 February, 2009 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Does anyone at Southampton FC actually like anyone else at Southampton FC? Members of the board openly dislike each other and it filters right down through to the few people who use this board. It's all petty point scoring and a total intolerance to accept a point of view different to your own. Oh and it's Altrincham although it is pronounces ALL-TRING-HEM. Hee hee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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