saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I have a source high up in the embassy in Berlin who is a football fan and knew people in Hertha. He told me on 19th July that Hertha had dropped their interest because of the unrealistic demands by Southampton, although they were keen to keep him but not at the price demanded. I have a sourse on Mars that old me on the 20th July by satalite link up that Hertha officials were on crack when they agreed to the option to buy price when they agreed to take skacel on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Lowe wanted Skacel out because of his expensive contract. The fee he demanded caused Hertha to walk away. So now we are saddled with his contract for two years. Yes, a free transfer with no added cost was the way to get him off the books. He has 18 months of a lucrative contract left, we either honour it, pay him off, or let him leave on mutually acceptable terms. Obviously the lad can add up. Whatever the reason all the experienced players were excluded with the exception of Davis and Perry. The Hertha Berlin deal was all done last January. Truth was he failed to make much impact there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 The Hertha Berlin deal was all done last January. Truth was he failed to make much impact there Hertha wanted him and Lowe demanded a large fee. I was told on 19th July they had walked away because of the fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Skacel wanted out, we needed him off the wage bill, a move meant everyone won. The only ones that win now are the fans as perhaps maybe just maybe we won't have to suffer Holmes doing **** all down our left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I have a sourse on Mars that old me on the 20th July by satalite link up that Hertha officials were on crack when they agreed to the option to buy price when they agreed to take skacel on loan. If you are going to be a smart ass, it would help if you could spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Hertha wanted him and Lowe demanded a large fee. I was told on 19th July they had walked away because of the fee. as apposed to Ipswich who agreed a fee but walked away at the sight of Rudi's wage demands. Tha fact remains no one wants him, his fee and his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 If you are going to be a smart ass, it would help if you could spell. of course cause spelling and grammer makes all the difference on an internet forum. lol. FWIW my spelling has never been any good and it hasnt stopped me functioning as a human being. Used to get the micky taken out of me at school but that doesnt effect me any more so hit me with your best wise cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 of course cause spelling and grammer makes all the difference on an internet forum. lol. FWIW my spelling has never been any good and it hasnt stopped me functioning as a human being. Used to get the micky taken out of me at school but that doesnt effect me any more so hit me with your best wise cracks. that would be 'affect'.... (and grammar).... Saintjay, I'm quite happy to read any of your posts with interest and I would never try to dissuade you or make you feel small in any way, but sometimes small things can make a big difference Keep posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 This is the problem, for me! None of us know the true story on just about anything that happens in this club. Can you believe the OS? Direct quotes from the club? Other hangers on and Directors? The local or national written press? The local or national electronic media? The internet (including anyone who posts here, UI, 606 or similar) ITKers? KFAlls? Or the simply make it up's? I've got to the point where I tend to believe none of the above and make my own mind up. All we know is the club wanted and tried several times to get Rudi off the books, when they failed (for whatever reason) they treated him pretty shabilly but when he has played he has been one of our better players (because he is a class above, just like we are now finding with Saga). Now it seems he is here at least until the end of the season and he should be picked (and IMO either wide left or in the hole). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 of course cause spelling and grammer makes all the difference on an internet forum. lol. FWIW my spelling has never been any good and it hasnt stopped me functioning as a human being. Used to get the micky taken out of me at school but that doesnt effect me any more so hit me with your best wise cracks. You should avoid the sarcasm and attempted put downs unless you are accurate and fireproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Play Rudi in his correct position in midfield and watch our Goals for tally shoot up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 This is the problem, for me! None of us know the true story on just about anything that happens in this club. Can you believe the OS? Direct quotes from the club? Other hangers on and Directors? The local or national written press? The local or national electronic media? The internet (including anyone who posts here, UI, 606 or similar) ITKers? KFAlls? Or the simply make it up's? I've got to the point where I tend to believe none of the above and make my own mind up. All we know is the club wanted and tried several times to get Rudi off the books, when they failed (for whatever reason) they treated him pretty shabilly but when he has played he has been one of our better players (because he is a class above, just like we are now finding with Saga). Now it seems he is here at least until the end of the season and he should be picked (and IMO either wide left or in the hole). Good post and I can guarantee the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Good. Now play him. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 You should avoid the sarcasm and attempted put downs unless you are accurate and fireproof. I am not the one trying to claim to be yet another ITKer, nor have I ever claimed my spelling is any good. My post was mearly to point out that on an internet forum anyone can say anything and everyone else can choose to believe or not. But as other ITKers have been and gone before you, history tends to show that none of them have been worth much. and the ones that have put anything more reasonable together have also been the ones being used by someone that has something to gain from these rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 that would be 'affect'.... (and grammar).... Saintjay, I'm quite happy to read any of your posts with interest and I would never try to dissuade you or make you feel small in any way, but sometimes small things can make a big difference Keep posting! lol in future I might run all my posts through word spell check just to keep those with embassy conections happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 This is the problem, for me! None of us know the true story on just about anything that happens in this club. Can you believe the OS? Direct quotes from the club? Other hangers on and Directors? The local or national written press? The local or national electronic media? The internet (including anyone who posts here, UI, 606 or similar) ITKers? KFAlls? Or the simply make it up's? I've got to the point where I tend to believe none of the above and make my own mind up. All we know is the club wanted and tried several times to get Rudi off the books, when they failed (for whatever reason) they treated him pretty shabilly but when he has played he has been one of our better players (because he is a class above, just like we are now finding with Saga). Now it seems he is here at least until the end of the season and he should be picked (and IMO either wide left or in the hole). One thing that we do know is that SLH can and do say whatever they want about Rudi, even to the point of publicly disclosing details of his contract and stating that he will not play for us again. FFS, pay the bloke off and let him get on with his life if you don't want him here Rupert, it is obviously your ego that prevents you doing this and you wonder why people hate you. You are nasty to people that us fans idolise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 This is the problem, for me! None of us know the true story on just about anything that happens in this club. I think thats exactly it - this could be added to most threads, but it doesnt stop us making up the facts to fit our arguments though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 One thing that we do know is that SLH can and do say whatever they want about Rudi, even to the point of publicly disclosing details of his contract and stating that he will not play for us again. FFS, pay the bloke off and let him get on with his life if you don't want him here Rupert, it is obviously your ego that prevents you doing this and you wonder why people hate you. You are nasty to people that us fans idolise. I must have missed that bit. Any chance you could point me to a link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Thats a very iffy post... Makes me feel somewhat ill...how do you think I feel i only am interested in lookers and I don't think Big Ron fits the bill.WWA2 is only jealous as I rebuffed his advances, I go for officer class not the monkey tankies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 .....Zips up Nickh's fly and licks lips. :smt054 One day you will post something sensible but I won't hold my breathe. Just glad your wife won't let you spend £5.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Good post and I can guarantee the source.Has he stayed for the love of the club or because he cant get the same elsewhere? He is a mercenary and i wont be singing his name. I understand he didnt force us to pay ridiculous wages but he has also made it clear he would rather be elsewhere. If he plays I want him to do well because as fans say he is a good player in this league, but he is tarnished in my eyes.Im now waiting for the 'but it was the club who ruined him' type posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2009 One day you will post something sensible but I won't hold my breathe. Just glad your wife won't let you spend £5.00 Is he married????? a phantom wife I expect,we can be all things on a internet forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Is he married????? a phantom wife I expect,we can be all things on a internet forum It's the only reason I could come up with for him not to spend a fiver on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Hertha wanted him and Lowe demanded a large fee. I was told on 19th July they had walked away because of the fee. Funny Hertha could have tied up the transfer of this player they so desperately wanted long before Lowe even came back to power at Saints, i.e. before Skacel went off to Euro 2008 and dazzled the continent with his commitment, skills and workrate alerting all the major clubs in Europe to his red hot availability. Why didn't they do that? After all, the previous "non-evil" regime would have let them have Skacel for free, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Has he stayed for the love of the club or because he cant get the same elsewhere? He is a mercenary and i wont be singing his name. I understand he didnt force us to pay ridiculous wages but he has also made it clear he would rather be elsewhere. If he plays I want him to do well because as fans say he is a good player in this league, but he is tarnished in my eyes.Im now waiting for the 'but it was the club who ruined him' type posts. TBH 90% of footballers are mercenaries. Gone are the days of the local boy makes good and spends his whole career at one club. That is unless the club is as big as Manure or Real Madrid and the 'boy' is good enough to hold down a position for their whole career (Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Raul etc.). Or the club in question is a ****ty little one and the 'boy' is good enough to play there but not good enough to go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Aye. Enough f**king aboot. Time to play our strongest team. The strongest team is not necessarily the eleven technically best players. First, the team must complement each other so that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts and, second, the players must be prepared to play to their ability. The second point is crucial and it does not take much lack of enthusiasm by a player for his performance to fall below the level of a marginally inferior competitor for a place in the side. Rudi may be able to play better, but he has to actually do it to be worth his place, so its up to him to make himself pickable and to stop concentrating so much energy on which team other than SFC he might be able to play for. PS. Adding a swear word to a post does not make it more compelling, it just comes across as more ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I must have missed that bit. Any chance you could point me to a link please? No problem my friend: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7792&highlight=salaries Long thread basically discussing this: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4030894.Saints__wage_bill_shocker/ And on the OS (when talking about Rudi's supposed transfer request), Mark Wotte was quoted as saying "....if anyone is not 100% committed to Southampton Football Club then I don't want them to play for us." Sometimes we have to read between the lines (as in the Echo article), sometimes they spell it out for us (OS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 One day you will post something sensible but I won't hold my breathe. Just glad your wife won't let you spend £5.00 I thought it was bloody funny personally. Gross but bloody funny lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 No problem my friend: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7792&highlight=salaries Long thread basically discussing this: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4030894.Saints__wage_bill_shocker/ And on the OS (when talking about Rudi's supposed transfer request), Mark Wotte was quoted as saying "....if anyone is not 100% committed to Southampton Football Club then I don't want them to play for us." Sometimes we have to read between the lines (as in the Echo article), sometimes they spell it out for us (OS). OK the sstuff in the echo should never have gone to press but like you say that has been discussed many times. But Skacel doesnt seem like he is the one the club would be looking to offload. If anyone it would be JE if he is on that much a year would it not? And as for what Wotte has said why is that so wrong? We have a player that wants away and only put effort in when he thought he would be in the shop window, now that window has past and he didnt get his move away is his head straight? does he want to be here? Wotte has also said that he will speak to Rudi and when he wants back in the team he is welcome. He is no mug and knows that we need decent players to try and help us out of this mess. But whats the point of playing someone that wants to play somewhere else? Just cant see how the club can get a bashing for that TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 OK the sstuff in the echo should never have gone to press but like you say that has been discussed many times. But Skacel doesnt seem like he is the one the club would be looking to offload. If anyone it would be JE if he is on that much a year would it not? And as for what Wotte has said why is that so wrong? We have a player that wants away and only put effort in when he thought he would be in the shop window, now that window has past and he didnt get his move away is his head straight? does he want to be here? Wotte has also said that he will speak to Rudi and when he wants back in the team he is welcome. He is no mug and knows that we need decent players to try and help us out of this mess. But whats the point of playing someone that wants to play somewhere else? Just cant see how the club can get a bashing for that TBH. It's because the club (under Lowe) have been spurting that line for years to explain anyone they want to offload or cash in on. They said it about Bridge and they said it about Beattie. Now I'm not saying either of those didn't want to leave for the contracts they were offered by their respective suitors but not committed to SFC, my @rse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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