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He offered to raise part of it knowing that the other two couldn't match it. Just the same as they said the club's yours for £6mill, because they know he can't raise it either. Silly old men playing games, I'm afraid

 

He also had a plan/proposal to go with his share of the money...

 

You missed that bit.

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challenge for you -find my pro-lowe posts!

 

there are loads saying I want him out, but just because I don't think the march will achieve that, those of little intellect resort for the "you are just a lowe luvvie" arguement rather than discussing a point.

 

Ah nick.......this is the problem, I think of you as the 'seesaw man';)

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He offered to raise part of it knowing that the other two couldn't match it. Just the same as they said the club's yours for £6mill, because they know he can't raise it either. Silly old men playing games, I'm afraid

 

If Lowe and Wilde cant get hold of 2mill at least there is no chance of them buying the club after administration.

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challenge for you -find my pro-lowe posts!

 

there are loads saying I want him out, but just because I don't think the march will achieve that, those of little intellect resort for the "you are just a lowe luvvie" arguement rather than discussing a point.

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I think that it is a little unfair of you to label anti Lowe people "of little Intellect"

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Genuine questiom for all of those who think that Crouch is the answer to our prayers - do you think he should stop playing games? If he has £2m to put into SFC shouldn't he do it now without baiting the others? Surely his hero status would go off the scale?

Or perhaps he is just stirring it and laying to the mob and has no intention of parting with £2m readies?

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Genuine questiom for all of those who think that Crouch is the answer to our prayers - do you think he should stop playing games? If he has £2m to put into SFC shouldn't he do it now without baiting the others? Surely his hero status would go off the scale?

Or perhaps he is just stirring it and laying to the mob and has no intention of parting with £2m readies?

 

Wilde and Lowe could easily afford £2mill.

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I think that it is a little unfair of you to label anti Lowe people "of little Intellect"

 

think many with great intellect are anti lowe -unfortunately there are several with low intellect here posting and manage to respond to any genuine question, alternative view or querying whether they will get there desired outcome as "well you are just a luvvie" not only failing to argue a point, but wrong and boring

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Genuine questiom for all of those who think that Crouch is the answer to our prayers - do you think he should stop playing games? If he has £2m to put into SFC shouldn't he do it now without baiting the others? Surely his hero status would go off the scale?

Or perhaps he is just stirring it and laying to the mob and has no intention of parting with £2m readies?

 

 

I seem to remember Wilde said he would put some of his money into the club,although he did tend to say a lot of things he didnt deliver on.

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This happened on another forum There were a few who were very (rabidly) anti Lowe and a few others of us who took the middle ground. Week after week we were labelled Lowe Luvvies. It was done to deflect from any meaningful discussion as it is now.

your wasting your time with that lot their brain dead:D the lowe lovvies are the ones who cannot stop posting about him has far has i am concerned.

i think they have secret fantasies about him with all the threads they start:cool:

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Does anyone actually know any real life Lowe Luvies?

 

Absolutely every Saints fan I know (and that's quite alot) think he's a ****, and that includes fans who used to stick up for him.

 

The only place I find anyone on his side is on here, makes me think they are either attention seekers on a wind up or plants.

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He also had a plan/proposal to go with his share of the money...

 

You missed that bit.

 

He had his chance. Didn't do any better than Lowe.

Doesn't really matter who's in charge out of the 2 parties, we'd still be in a the same mess.

In my opinion, if Crouch was still in charge and had offered Pearson a contract, we'd be in administration by now.

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Proper manager instead of this re hashed dutch farce...

 

That's not a plan, is it? Just saying change the manager isn't going to transform the club & save us from administration. It might, but then again Dodd & Gorman didn't exactly work out & Pearson is only deified now he's left.

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I want Lowe out.

 

Don't think protests or marches will ever work.

 

Is that clear enough? I am allowed to think both of those?

 

nick, Do not let them bully you..Please remember that a lot of the name calling was very juvenile and not called for. I personally do not go along with it. Lowey Luvvies..How pathetic.

 

You stick to your guns and do not allow yourself to be sidetracked...

I might even rejoin you boys and girls in Ruperts Ra Ra Cheerleaders training group/squad.

I quite like the uniforms and the Colour will always be Red.

 

You think for yourself. You can bet I always do..unlike some of the juvenile name calling posters.

 

COYR Lets have a win Tuesday night. Bring on the Pom Poms.:)

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there are loads saying I want him out, but just because I don't think the march will achieve that, those of little intellect resort for the "you are just a lowe luvvie" arguement rather than discussing a point.

 

and this is exactly what is ruining a once great and intelligent forum.

 

 

in addition to the subscription fee of course:D

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Does anyone actually know any real life Lowe Luvies?

 

Absolutely every Saints fan I know (and that's quite alot) think he's a ****, and that includes fans who used to stick up for him.

 

The only place I find anyone on his side is on here, makes me think they are either attention seekers on a wind up or plants.

 

Of the two options, I'm more on the side of Lowe, which probably makes me a Lowe luvvie.

 

I'm realistic. Lowering cost is the number one consideration. I'd rather support the club as it is instead of not having a club to support.

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and this is exactly what is ruining a once great and intelligent forum.

 

 

in addition to the subscription fee of course:D

 

getting fed up with it to be honest -don't mind differing views had some good debates on here, but as it seems unless you sign up to face book (which I don't understand) slag off every player, think the march will make Lowe suddenly give up, you must be a Lowe luvvie and can't have an opinion.

 

As said before, at least LC agrees with me!

 

If it carries on like this I certainly won't post (not that I expect to be missed!;))

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Does anyone actually know any real life Lowe Luvies?

 

Absolutely every Saints fan I know (and that's quite alot) think he's a ****, and that includes fans who used to stick up for him.

 

The only place I find anyone on his side is on here, makes me think they are either attention seekers on a wind up or plants.

 

I'm yet to meet a real life Lowe Luvvie.

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Okay Ginge, I'll bite. Feel free and go and find the post where I nail my colours to Lowe's mast.

 

In my book he is just a bloke doing a job. Since he has been here I have agreed with somethings and disagreed with others. Like most blokes doing a job I think he does what he thinks is right. Like most blokes doing a job what he thinks is right is not always seen as right by others.

 

If that makes me a "Luvvie" sobeit if it makes you happy. So who are the others?

 

Thing is he's a bloke who's doing a god awful job. I'm sure he thinks he's doing the right thing but the problem is that pretty much no one agrees with him, and they're all right. the dutch experiment has been a failure. He's brought us to the point of almost relegation for the second time - is that success? No. Frankly if we had a chairman who did absolutely nothing then it would be less harmful so in that respect then yes anyone but Lowe is better. Could anyone do a worse job? I doubt it.

 

Yeah, cup final, 10 years in the top flight when most pundits thought we would go down, European football, some great young players from the academy, lovely new stadium the utter utter b*stard. It has all been a total disaster hasn't it?

 

You're forgetting relegation. You're forgetting refusing to back our best manager in years when the funds were available, you're forgetting buying a bloated average squad instead of quality, you're forgetting that the stadium would never have happened without the council, you're forgetting the many numpty managerial appointments. I think any success we had was in spite of and not because of Lowe.

 

The only thing I will give him credit for is the rejuvenation of the academy. If that had been married to a policy of buying quality and not many average players then we'd have been OK. Unfortunately Lowe thought he knew best and guess what? He didn't. The idea that he can come back and have another go at being absolute rubbish is why people protest. If he was the manager would you support him after so many bad decisions? He's said before "this is a results based industry" and he's right. His results will see us relegated for a second time.

 

I'm all for seeing if anyone can be as bad as Lowe. I don't think it's possible.

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Last year when Pearson was appointed I wasn't on any Saints related sites. I was not for his appointment and even now I am not convinced that he could have done much this season. However , I do think he would have been far safer a risk than Jan and his jolly Dutch crew.

NickG you say with reason that you don't think that the march, which I was part of yesterday, will work. In that case perhaps you could advise us as to how we procede with our fight. As you will have seen it was well publicised as will be the next move. So make your suggestion and make your own mark.

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If Leon and Lawrie had given us Portvliet and Wotte would you be critical of them?

 

I'd be critical of any manager who had us 2nd from bottom in January irrespective of who employed them.

 

If the premise is some people are just anti Lowe regardless then there may be some truth in that but Lowe nailed his colours to the mast with the Dutch dudes.

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Last year when Pearson was appointed I wasn't on any Saints related sites. I was not for his appointment and even now I am not convinced that he could have done much this season. However , I do think he would have been far safer a risk than Jan and his jolly Dutch crew.

NickG you say with reason that you don't think that the march, which I was part of yesterday, will work. In that case perhaps you could advise us as to how we procede with our fight. As you will have seen it was well publicised as will be the next move. So make your suggestion and make your own mark.[/quote

 

 

that's the problem, I don't have the solutions. Also why I am not knocking anyone for wanting to try something and going on the march. There was just one poster on here who can't get his head around the fact that because I don't think it will work it doesn't mean that either Lowe is great, or I am belittling those who went.

 

Lowe was never going to go last time. I wonder if his resolve is even stronger this time?

He only went when the big money started changing hands. I honestly think that is the only way this time.

 

So, not knocking you and no I can't come up with anything better.

 

How do you see the march changing the boardroom?

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If Lowe and Wilde cant get hold of 2mill at least there is no chance of them buying the club after administration.

 

I wouldn't be so sure!!!!!!

 

The idea of putting money in to the Club now is something that only a really devoted, stupidly rich or perhaps even mad person would do.

 

£2m - £6m won't really solve our problems, but it will potentially give us as stay of execution and a chance to work something out. But it will be a huge risk.

 

IMHO whilst Crouch would be up for losing the money as he is coming from the perspective of wanting this Club to survive, I wouldn't be surprised if the other two were looking at it purely from a business point of view.

 

And the question for them is:

 

a) Is it worth putting my £2m in, ceding some control to Crouch and hoping this comes off, and pray that we're not back to square one in 1 or 2 years time?

 

or,

 

b) Is it better to try and get to the front of the queue the other side of administration and use the money to buy the carcass of the Club on the cheap (even if it has been somewhat raped and pillaged).

 

or,

 

c) Do we just bumble on as we are now and pray we can pull it off without any new funds (and then maybe go back to (b) above).

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Isn't that what they've been trying to do & as we've seen it's not that easy

 

Maybe but all we have bought/loaned are of **** poor quality pretty much

with a few exceptions.

 

Pulis..never plays

Gasmi....sub once?

Forecast...reserve.

Smith...s h i t

Peckhart...crap

Robertson...1 goal, otherwise awful

Schniederlien...no better than average for 1.5m

Molyneux...way out of his depth and crap..

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Last year when Pearson was appointed I wasn't on any Saints related sites. I was not for his appointment and even now I am not convinced that he could have done much this season. However , I do think he would have been far safer a risk than Jan and his jolly Dutch crew.

NickG you say with reason that you don't think that the march, which I was part of yesterday, will work. In that case perhaps you could advise us as to how we procede with our fight. As you will have seen it was well publicised as will be the next move. So make your suggestion and make your own mark.[/quote

 

 

that's the problem, I don't have the solutions. Also why I am not knocking anyone for wanting to try something and going on the march. There was just one poster on here who can't get his head around the fact that because I don't think it will work it doesn't mean that either Lowe is great, or I am belittling those who went.

 

Lowe was never going to go last time. I wonder if his resolve is even stronger this time?

He only went when the big money started changing hands. I honestly think that is the only way this time.

 

So, not knocking you and no I can't come up with anything better.

 

How do you see the march changing the boardroom?

 

That`s me:D

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My gripe is not about the manager but about the boardroom

 

I want to see a sound, honest and professional and a financially board not one that is constanly bickering amongst themselves with little or no investment being put into the club.

 

Thats why I do not want Crouch lowe or the jellyfish and the other cohorts anywhere near the board rroom.

 

Im trying to be realistic in this discussion but I suspect some of you will not see it that way.

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challenge for you -find my pro-lowe posts!

 

there are loads saying I want him out, but just because I don't think the march will achieve that, those of little intellect resort for the "you are just a lowe luvvie" arguement rather than discussing a point.

 

A very good point. If you consider Crouch to be no better or indeed worse it is assumed you think Lowe is great. Its the same thing. I think Lowe is marginally better than anything currently at St Mary's but it doesnt mean I am happy. I also believe a march making it official that I am not happy is about as useful as a jelly toaster.

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the witch hunt for "luvvies" on this site has reached a pathetic magnitude,if you ask me. when all the lesser developed brains on here just keep on hurling abuse towards anyone & anything saying a positive thing about Lowe...then all they do is to deprive us of debate. and isnt debating what this message board is all about..?

 

to all those neanderthals who cant bare seeing a pro-Lowe argument without throwing your toys out: this forum would in the long term be a much less interesting place if you continue this behaviour. I think you all know that,if you take a breath and think about it..!

 

and for the record,I too would prefer Lowe to be gone.

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I don't do protest Ginge. If I don't like a decision I might have a moan but generally I support SFC and want the best for the club as a whole no matter who runs it.

 

What gets up my bugle is the hypocracy. It just seems that if you name is Lowe it doesn't matter what you do are try to do you are damned, and in comparison, if anyone else ****s up that is okay because they are not Lowe.

 

no point in using logic in a debate like this. they just dont understand it as it doesnt fit in with Lowe is the master of all evil theory.

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no point in using logic in a debate like this. they just dont understand it as it doesnt fit in with Lowe is the master of all evil theory.

 

Don't you find it slightly ironic that you're grouping all of those who believe they hold a valid and honest opinion why Lowe should go, in with a few rabid anti lowe posters, who you are berating for tarring all of those who hold a legitimate view that Lowe should stay with the same brush???? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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But you were up for given the Dutch management a go back in August. So, why would you have felt differently if Crouch had made that appointment.

 

You should've been 'critical' of Lowe back then and you should be criticising him now. He's ballsed it up 'again'. There is no excuse, the guy is a liability. Stop pussy footing around and get behind the Lowe out campaign, there is nowhere else to go, Lowes had it, he's washed up, a has been and now this fan base needs to unite by ousting Lowe and getting behind whoever takes up the poison chalice. How much worse can it get? Surely our perilous position must tell you this, surely the lights have come on now, Lowe must go.

 

See you at the next march...

You've not quite got that right.I was critical and sceptical about an appointment.What I was supportive of was getting the club onto a sound financial footing and by ridding us of the high earners and using cheaper assets seemed correct.If we were 10 points worse off we would be good as down now.At least at present we can decide whether to take the 10 points deduction at our choosing.Reading posts on here i can see why we as a nation has a massive debt bubble because patently people dont understand affording to survive or basic budgetting.

You have in your own small way helped weaken us.

You remind me of the people who complain about the local pub closing. You moan about it going but never use it so it can survive and then join the Real Ale campaign and try and get it stopped being turned into a house.

See you at the next game.......oh

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Don't you find it slightly ironic that you're grouping all of those who believe they hold a valid and honest opinion why Lowe should go, in with a few rabid anti lowe posters, who you are berating for tarring all of those who hold a legitimate view that Lowe should stay with the same brush???? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Fair point and I appologise to those who are able to have a view without acting like a mentalist. :D

 

To be fair there are many people on here that think all sorts of different views and get one with everyone (well almost everyone) but the extremists from both sides manage to draw many others into biting and all reasonable debate gets lost.

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This happened on another forum There were a few who were very (rabidly) anti Lowe and a few others of us who took the middle ground. Week after week we were labelled Lowe Luvvies. It was done to deflect from any meaningful discussion as it is now.

Isnt it funny the ones who called posters like myself and you Lowe luvvies when the Wilde bunch were around and were cosying up to him and some of them on here bought T-shirts with his face on LOL , now distance themselves and never mention their naive support.They question our failed judgement when they have been fooled by one of the most blantant cases of wool being pulled over their eyes.

I will join a campaign if a proper alternative comes forward.LC is not to my mind credible as he would not unite the board and again unsettle the club by changing the manager.

I had a good conversation with a friend at the club yesterday.he was at first sceptical of Wotte but he has been turned around in his view.The squad are happier , there is a better mood and strong togetherness.Tactics are being talked about more in depth and the team are being told all the time 'back to back, back to back' instiling in them the need for back to back wins that will gewt us the league.Like myself the feeling that we can indeed now stay up is sweeping again through the squad.

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Isnt it funny the ones who called posters like myself and you Lowe luvvies when the Wilde bunch were around and were cosying up to him and some of them on here bought T-shirts with his face on LOL , now distance themselves and never mention their naive support.They question our failed judgement when they have been fooled by one of the most blantant cases of wool being pulled over their eyes.

I will join a campaign if a proper alternative comes forward.LC is not to my mind credible as he would not unite the board and again unsettle the club by changing the manager.

I had a good conversation with a friend at the club yesterday.he was at first sceptical of Wotte but he has been turned around in his view.The squad are happier , there is a better mood and strong togetherness.Tactics are being talked about more in depth and the team are being told all the time 'back to back, back to back' instiling in them the need for back to back wins that will gewt us the league.Like myself the feeling that we can indeed now stay up is sweeping again through the squad.

 

I would happily support LC is he was seriously going to try and buy out the other 2 and have a real crack at taking us forward. It seems to me that all of them are capable of having the odd mad idea as if it fails they are not the only person to lose money.

 

Crouch says they all put in 2 mil and it fails then crouch has only lost 2 mil. If crouch owned the whole club and it needed 6 mil to save us would he put it all in so freely?

 

Still not sure on Wotte although I feel more confident with him than I did with JP in the last few weeks. Had he started at the begining of the season I would guess he would be on par with what pearson may have been able to do with the same squad. Obviously that cant be proved but tis what I think.

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It is not a genuine question, it is a further pop at another fan thinly disguised as a 'genuine question'

 

I would agree entirely, as genuine as the original question from SOG asking the marchers their opinions on hypothetical event.

 

We would do well to remember that there is probably more that unites us than divides us, but for me the problem is that as long as Lowe is here we will always be btching and fighting. He is not the galvanising and unifying figure that we so dearly need at this perilous time.

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We would do well to remember that there is probably more that unites us than divides us, but for me the problem is that as long as Lowe is here we will always be btching and fighting. He is not the galvanising and unifying figure that we so dearly need at this perilous time.

 

Agree, only someone new in the chair will achieve unity........... for a while !!!!!

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