alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Isnt it a bit like Ford workers going on strike during the production shut-down ? Seriously, yesterday was clearly effective, media-friendly, and clearly good for the morale of the fan-base. But doesnt it mean ruling out the time when such a protest would have the greatest impact ? I just fear that it gives Lowe the opportunity to completely disregard it. He only understands actions that hit his bottom line.
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 he will disregard it anyway -he did last time. At least we had a decent enjoyable game and reasonable performance to give us some hope - a lot more than I did after Doncaster. It got publicity for the protest - but as Crouch said on The Championship the only way Lowe is going is if a major investor comes in
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Isnt it a bit like Ford workers going on strike during the production shut-down ? Seriously, yesterday was clearly effective, media-friendly, and clearly good for the morale of the fan-base. But doesnt it mean ruling out the time when such a protest would have the greatest impact ? I just fear that it gives Lowe the opportunity to completely disregard it. He only understands actions that hit his bottom line.How about coming along and start the singing during the game Alps.Unrest is not what is needed.the fans on the march did it just right,and I think there was some after the game as well
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 If Lowe doesn't see it then it didn't happen. Which is why the instruction to Stewards to remove any banners with mention of Lowe on them.
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 If Lowe doesn't see it then it didn't happen. Which is why the instruction to Stewards to remove any banners with mention of Lowe on them. That is not true, RL is well aware of the protests but he wont listen to those, it will just cause division if it is done during ther game.The march has been well received from all sides, campaigning during the match wont
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 How about coming along and start the singing during the game Alps.Unrest is not what is needed.the fans on the march did it just right,and I think there was some after the game as well But as ESB has indicated, it makes it too damn easy for Lowe to ignore.
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Alpine -he ignored it totally last time -didn't care and even when shareholders ganged up on him he would let go until last minute when it was mathematically impossible for him to win, and then comes back as soon as he could! Thicker skin than a rhino!
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 But as ESB has indicated, it makes it too damn easy for Lowe to ignore.Perhap0s but i dont think that will make him do anything different.Fans need to put pressure on the people who underpin him.
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 Alpine -he ignored it totally last time -didn't care and even when shareholders ganged up on him he would let go until last minute when it was mathematically impossible for him to win, and then comes back as soon as he could! Thicker skin than a rhino! This is going off-subject, but this is one of the things that has piissed me off the most. People were really complaicent when he quit last time. They really bought the "I have no interest in coming back" line, whilst the whole time he was simmering and scheming.
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 Perhap0s but i dont think that will make him do anything different.Fans need to put pressure on the people who underpin him. So do we pressurise Askham by smashing his offices up, or by getting under his nose at SMS ? What attention do you think he will give to events outside SMS ?
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 So do we pressurise Askham by smashing his offices up, or by getting under his nose at SMS ? What attention do you think he will give to events outside SMS ?I dont know, but anything legal to make him/others question their support of RL.
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 I dont know, but anything legal to make him/others question their support of RL. How about 200 saints fans taking the piiss out of him from his side of the Directors Box ??? I keep hearing about our die-hard core fan base still going to games. If they are such super fans, they should know the club history back-to-front. So why does Askham not get the shiiit he deserves ?
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 How about 200 saints fans taking the piiss out of him from his side of the Directors Box ??? I keep hearing about our die-hard core fan base still going to games. If they are such super fans, they should know the club history back-to-front. So why does Askham not get the shiiit he deserves ?He's a smart operator I suppose.None of them worry what is said about them or they would have moved out gracefully a long time ago.It saddens that many who would if askedd say they were ardent saints fans are now part of a disaster , not only RL but the regimes before that as well.
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Anything that could detract from us getting three points cannot be a good thing. Demonstrate all you like, not easy from Austria I grant you, but not during the game.
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 Anything that could detract from us getting three points cannot be a good thing. Demonstrate all you like, not easy from Austria I grant you, but not during the game. And there was me thinking you were ignoring me since you got your wrist slapped and infracted..........
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 And there was me thinking you were ignoring me since you got your wrist slapped and infracted.......... He`s obssessed with you but he is not alone;) there are a few others....
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 He`s obssessed with you but he is not alone;) there are a few others.... No Alpine you are on my ignore list, but still close to my heart xxx Who was infracted???
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 He`s obssessed with you but he is not alone;) there are a few others.... Yeah, but what is so hillarious is his comments about me living abroad and not going to games when he lives in the UK and doesnt go to any more games than me anyway.......
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 No Alpine you are on my ignore list, but still close to my heart xxx Who was infracted??? What's the point in questioning me if you are never going to see the answer ?:rolleyes: The ignore list is for cry-babies.
sidthesquid Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 I've got an idea - why don't we all go along and support the team like yesterday and help in the fight against relegation. That might make things better.....
eelpie Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Isnt it a bit like Ford workers going on strike during the production shut-down ? Seriously, yesterday was clearly effective, media-friendly, and clearly good for the morale of the fan-base. But doesnt it mean ruling out the time when such a protest would have the greatest impact ? I just fear that it gives Lowe the opportunity to completely disregard it. He only understands actions that hit his bottom line. So is your point that protesting during the game is pointless? Or not protesting during the game is pointless? Or both?
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 I've got an idea - why don't we all go along and support the team like yesterday and help in the fight against relegation. That might make things better..... If the current energy that is being spent on negativity was put into something positive as you suggest Sid it surely must be a better use of that energy? I do understand the frustration and bitterness but it gets us nowhere other than further in the mire.
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 I've got an idea - why don't we all go along and support the team like yesterday and help in the fight against relegation. That might make things better..... that is more likely to get a positive change than a march imho
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 that is more likely to get a positive change than a march imho You mean like it has all season at home.....
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 more likely -than something that has a tiny chance of achieving something if any
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 more likely -than something that has a tiny chance of achieving something if any More likely....doubt it, but then again our support has worked a grand total of....hang on, just counting.......err ....ONCE. We need a complete new start on the coaching/team management side not same old crap rehasshed... Wigley...Failed Gray...Failed D&G...Failed.. Portvliet...Failed. Wotte....do we have any confidence the trend will change?....not me... So protesting for change will hopefully bring it about....
eelpie Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 that is more likely to get a positive change than a march imho Well, a lot among us present at the match felt the adrenalin flowing in the stadium, following the uplifting protest during the march and outside the stadium, was a positive factor. Were you there?
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 more likely -than something that has a tiny chance of achieving something if any nick, you have been saying this all season about the JP and Wottey twosome. It failed then and it is failing now...even with you and The Lowey Ra Ra girls jumping all over the place and crying out for Rupert. When will you come to accept that the club has been crucified and there will be no return under this lots watch. :smt022
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 More likely....doubt it, but then again our support has worked a grand total of....hang on, just counting.......err ....ONCE. We need a complete new start on the coaching/team management side not same old crap rehasshed... Wigley...Failed Gray...Failed D&G...Failed.. Portvliet...Failed. Wotte....do we have any confidence the trend will change?....not me... So protesting for change will hopefully bring it about.... Strachan and Burley didn't do too badly did they? And most clubs managers "fail" in some ways are other. We are not Mancheter United or Chelsea. Listening to Liverpool supporters the other day they see themselves as failing right now and want rid of Rafa...oh to be failing like them!!!!
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Strachan and Burley didn't do too badly did they? And most clubs managers "fail" in some ways are other. We are not Mancheter United or Chelsea. Listening to Liverpool supporters the other day they see themselves as failing right now and want rid of Rafa...oh to be failing like them!!!! If you understood what i was posting you would realise it was about promoting from within... Read again... Liverpool will never get in our position, so a ridiculous comparison. We could ahave been a "failing" prem team like most out of top four but your hero put paid to that with his penny pinching after the cup final... We stood still and everyone passed us by...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 nick, you have been saying this all season about the JP and Wottey twosome. It failed then and it is failing now...even with you and The Lowey Ra Ra girls jumping all over the place and crying out for Rupert. When will you come to accept that the club has been crucified and there will be no return under this lots watch. :smt022 you misunderstand -not saying they should stay just don't see how the march makes one bit of difference to their longevity here?
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 you misunderstand -not saying they should stay just don't see how the march makes one bit of difference to their longevity here? The well organised Saints Supporters protest march, which was well attended and superbly well behaved. The Saints supporters, have now replaced The picture of a train with a beautiful picture for the world to see, that Saints supporters are not laying down anymore and letting Lowey and his Ra Ra girls walk all over them. So, please nick, put your Lowey pom poms down join the future protests and don't be a Luvvey all your life. You know it makes sense for the future of our club. Lowe and Wilde OUT..NOW.
offix Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 MONEY talks. Only if Ru**rt and the Quisling get their pay-off in some sort of take over, OR if they feel serious pain in their pocket will they get out. The former is not likely, and the latter will also hurt the club. I understand the dilemma. But considering that the club is already hurting, possibly dying, maybe a complete boycott, which will make it abundantly clear that the fans are willing to do what it takes to get these two idiots out, is the ONLY way that can achieve the objective.
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 The well organised Saints Supporters protest march, which was well attended and superbly well behaved. The Saints supporters, have now replaced The picture of a train with a beautiful picture for the world to see, that Saints supporters are not laying down anymore and letting Lowey and his Ra Ra girls walk all over them. So, please nick, put your Lowey pom poms down join the future protests and don't be a Luvvey all your life. You know it makes sense for the future of our club. Lowe and Wilde OUT..NOW. only metaphorical pom poms I had yesterday were red and white and I enjoyed the game. Not knocking those who protested just think they wasted their time but if it made them feel more positive and that they were doing something fair enough. I know you are only teasing but even you can't read that as pro Lowe!
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 only metaphorical pom poms I had yesterday were red and white and I enjoyed the game. Not knocking those who protested just think they wasted their time but if it made them feel more positive and that they were doing something fair enough. I know you are only teasing but even you can't read that as pro Lowe! Belittling other fans.... a typical Lowe style tactic,well done.. Rupert will be pleased with you...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Belittling other fans.... a typical Lowe style tactic,well done.. Rupert will be pleased with you... not at all, asking how it will achieve its objective -even Crouch seems to say on Championship it won't work. Causing unnecessary arguments - Rupert will be proud of you!
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 If you understood what i was posting you would realise it was about promoting from within... Read again... Liverpool will never get in our position, so a ridiculous comparison. We could ahave been a "failing" prem team like most out of top four but your hero put paid to that with his penny pinching after the cup final... We stood still and everyone passed us by... Yep Charlton passed us by! When mentioning Liverpool I am making the point about relativity. They are in a relative position because their fans expect them to with the league wthis year so currently they are "failing". My heros have nothing to do with SFC mate. Where was the money coming from after the Cup Final? Remember the size of the squad? It is not as if we were struggling for players was it. Perhaps if Starchan had bought better than McCann things might have been different? I should also remind you that much better and more expensive squads than our have been relegated. Relegation had nothing to do with money not spent. It was down to injuries to key players. It was down to Harry buying rubbish and not being bothered. It was down to many things.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Yep Charlton passed us by! When mentioning Liverpool I am making the point about relativity. They are in a relative position because their fans expect them to with the league wthis year so currently they are "failing". My heros have nothing to do with SFC mate. Where was the money coming from after the Cup Final? Remember the size of the squad? It is not as if we were struggling for players was it. Perhaps if Starchan had bought better than McCann things might have been different? I should also remind you that much better and more expensive squads than our have been relegated. Relegation had nothing to do with money not spent. It was down to injuries to key players. It was down to Harry buying rubbish and not being bothered. It was down to many things. It was down to Lowe and the Board not sanctioning some reasonable (not silly) spending on players only allowing cheaper low quality in.. As for Redknapp who really knows as he would gloss it over to be someone else`s fault what ever the case.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 not at all, asking how it will achieve its objective -even Crouch seems to say on Championship it won't work. Causing unnecessary arguments - Rupert will be proud of you! You clearly said "wasting their time" that is judgemental and belittling to people who are concerned about the state of their club not willing to let it die and end up in league one without a fight,unlike you who just sit there and do nothing except justify the clueless running of this club... You are are true lowe luvvie...of that their is no denying... Perhaps Rupert will reward your blind aleigance one day...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 only metaphorical pom poms I had yesterday were red and white and I enjoyed the game. Not knocking those who protested just think they wasted their time but if it made them feel more positive and that they were doing something fair enough. I know you are only teasing but even you can't read that as pro Lowe! If you look at the cheerleaders picture on the other thread I am one of the boys in the shorts near the back next to you..Did you forget you took me to training in order to convert me....It was ok til they gave a small picture of a train to take home as a souvenir.:smt022 I am glad you see it is all about being fellow supporters at heart. Ps You should change those black knickers...Nice high kick though nick..Super Bowl next year.
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Author Posted 1 February, 2009 MONEY talks. Only if Ru**rt and the Quisling get their pay-off in some sort of take over, OR if they feel serious pain in their pocket will they get out. The former is not likely, and the latter will also hurt the club. I understand the dilemma. But considering that the club is already hurting, possibly dying, maybe a complete boycott, which will make it abundantly clear that the fans are willing to do what it takes to get these two idiots out, is the ONLY way that can achieve the objective. It's an alternative course of action, but one most of our fans are too afraid to contemplate. It's a real pity that the fans base cannot find that courage - its about the only language Lowe understands...
offix Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 It's an alternative course of action, but one most of our fans are too afraid to contemplate. It's a real pity that the fans base cannot find that courage - its about the only language Lowe understands... But let's be honest here Alpine: both you and I live far away from SMS, and if you are anything like me you would give your left arm for the opportunity to be at SMS every week. I full well understand that for all those fans who are lucky enough to go to most or all of the home games it must be very hard, if not impossible, to contemplate a complete boycott.
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 It was down to Lowe and the Board not sanctioning some reasonable (not silly) spending on players only allowing cheaper low quality in.. As for Redknapp who really knows as he would gloss it over to be someone else`s fault what ever the case. But we did spend money on players. Some of those players are still playing in the Premiership but were royally slagged off on here (Kevin Davies, Danny Higginbotham and Rory Delap - who cost a fortune to name but three). We had a large squad with experienced players. Strachan bought us such stars as McCann remember? The lose of Killer (and Beattie for some time, plus injuries to other key players) were bigger factors IMHO. Once Killer was out Claus lost the plot and was only replaced by Davenport when Redknapp had £6m to spend.
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 But let's be honest here Alpine: both you and I live far away from SMS, and if you are anything like me you would give your left arm for the opportunity to be at SMS every week. I full well understand that for all those fans who are lucky enough to go to most or all of the home games it must be very hard, if not impossible, to contemplate a complete boycott. Offix, Alpine made a choice to go and live in Austria. As far as I know, no one held a gun to his head. If he was to give his right arm now he would have the most terroble skiing accident because has chosen to be on the piste rather than go to St Marys (and who can blame him to be honest?)
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 But we did spend money on players. Some of those players are still playing in the Premiership but were royally slagged off on here (Kevin Davies, Danny Higginbotham and Rory Delap - who cost a fortune to name but three). We had a large squad with experienced players. Strachan bought us such stars as McCann remember? The lose of Killer (and Beattie for some time, plus injuries to other key players) were bigger factors IMHO. Once Killer was out Claus lost the plot and was only replaced by Davenport when Redknapp had £6m to spend. The amount we spent and on whom was detemined by lowe himself quantity over quality as we did this season with the endless stream of "good prospects" we have loaned/bought this season. Where are the facts proving Redknapp had 6m?
offix Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Offix, Alpine made a choice to go and live in Austria. As far as I know, no one held a gun to his head. If he was to give his right arm now he would have the most terroble skiing accident because has chosen to be on the piste rather than go to St Marys (and who can blame him to be honest?) Life makes those decisions for us SOG. It wasn't my choice to leave Hampshire when I did, sh@t just happened. I presume the same is true for Alpine. It still does not take away from my point that; a. A complete boycott would likely have the desired effect of ousting both our chairmen b. I also understand that a complete boycott is much easier to think about for people like Alpine and myself who cannot be at SMS every week.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 Life makes those decisions for us SOG. It wasn't my choice to leave Hampshire when I did, sh@t just happened. I presume the same is true for Alpine. It still does not take away from my point that; a. A complete boycott would likely have the desired effect of ousting both our chairmen b. I also understand that a complete boycott is much easier to think about for people like Alpine and myself who cannot be at SMS every week. It would be hard to do/achieve a complete boycott but sadly it may be the only thing that has the effect needed. I go week in week out but would be willing like many to do whatever is required to remove these two divisive chairman.
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Posted 1 February, 2009 You clearly said "wasting their time" that is judgemental and belittling to people who are concerned about the state of their club not willing to let it die and end up in league one without a fight,unlike you who just sit there and do nothing except justify the clueless running of this club... You are are true lowe luvvie...of that their is no denying... Perhaps Rupert will reward your blind aleigance one day... once again, unable to debate your point just resort to labelling anyone who has the nerve to question it a lowe luvvie. Try and keep to a mature debate. I don't belittle anyone who feels strongly but as Leon Crouch said the only way Lowe will go is with someone coming in with money. Is Crouch a Lowe luvvie as he is saying exactly the same as me! ~Answer that without mentioning lowe luvvie;)
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