Not impressed with Wotte "Fans are very easy with their judgement"

[chi saint]

This idea of a few/minority of attendees (you can't call them fans) having an agenda in respect of RL and MW is completely wide of the mark. Lets get real, most of them wouldn't understand what an agenda actually is?

 

Face it, were not talking about the smartest bunch are we, their endless chants of RL out and now the beginnings (after 2 games) of a 'Wotte's useless' mantra only confirm their blinkered view.

Whilst I too would like to see Lowe out and a benefactor in, as it's unlikely at this precise moment then as far as i'm concerned i'll do my bit by supporting the saints, that's s u p p o r t i n g not u n d e r m i n i n g.

 

If we survive this period whether it be via relegation or even adminstration I hope those idiots that post on here and there are to many to bother listing hold their heads in shame and admit that apart from paying for a ticket they have done nothing to help the situation, were bereft of ideas and sought, perhaps unwittingly in some cases, deliberately in others, to bring the club down to their level.

[Graffito]

I wonder who mnay fans here could go on Dutch TV and give a decent interview in their language? Give the guy a break. He is right, Lowe wasn't here last year and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

 

He hasn't had a bad start and by all accounts the team of showing more fight. This bloke is the key to us staying up, perhaps a bit of support is not amiss?

 

I am giving him a break. I don't expect him to understand the politics. Results on the pitch are all that count.

[saintwarwick]

Lee Molyneux is a very young and very inexperienced player and with Twottes words ringing in his ears to get stuck in and be more aggresive he overstepped the mark , but he did it trying to please his manager. It was obvious from the way we played yesterday and from the comments coming out of the Swansea camp that Twotte had sent the players out to get stuck in first and foremost. IMO that is why we went down to 10 men and as i said on another day we could have gone down to nine. I am all for a bit of aggression in the team if it is allied to the football , playing as we did yesterday and last tuesday is not going to keep us up. Twotte will not keep us up, and going on todays comments he has lost a large percentage of the fans support already , not that he ever had mine as he is just Lowes ******

 

We've had more posts than I can remember about our "lightweight" players not getting stuck in and the first time in ages we match the opposition in aggression you fvcking moan! Get real for fvck sake, we played to the strengths of this league. The only reason the Swansea manager was moaning is because he wasn't expecting it from our team.

[spain saint]

The users on this forum who seem to support Lowe are complaining about those that don't by calling them names and saying that their views are wrong etc!

Please someone tell me how that behavior makes you any better than the people that you are criticizing?

Try posting comments without the childish name calling and maybe people will take more notice of your opinions.

[saintwarwick]

Really?

 

Like being murdered for the first half at Norwich....

 

How different the luvvies views would be if we had lost both games

and could easily have done so..

 

A game lasts 90 minutes not 45, the idea is if it's not working out in the first half you change things around, now remind me what happened in the second half.......

[rocknrollman no2]

This idea of a few/minority of attendees (you can't call them fans) having an agenda in respect of RL and MW is completely wide of the mark. Lets get real, most of them wouldn't understand what an agenda actually is?

 

Face it, were not talking about the smartest bunch are we, their endless chants of RL out and now the beginnings (after 2 games) of a 'Wotte's useless' mantra only confirm their blinkered view.

Whilst I too would like to see Lowe out and a benefactor in, as it's unlikely at this precise moment then as far as i'm concerned i'll do my bit by supporting the saints, that's s u p p o r t i n g not u n d e r m i n i n g.

 

If we survive this period whether it be via relegation or even adminstration I hope those idiots that post on here and there are to many to bother listing hold their heads in shame and admit that apart from paying for a ticket they have done nothing to help the situation, were bereft of ideas and sought, perhaps unwittingly in some cases, deliberately in others, to bring the club down to their level.

 

Well will you still be s u p p o r t i n g Saints when we are relegated?

At least by going on marches and protesting,i can hold my head up high and say i did my bit to try and stop it.

[sadoldgit]

The users on this forum who seem to support Lowe are complaining about those that don't by calling them names and saying that their views are wrong etc!

Please someone tell me how that behavior makes you any better than the people that you are criticizing?

Try posting comments without the childish name calling and maybe people will take more notice of your opinions.

 

Again you fall into the trap of thinking that those who don't slag off Lowe support him or everything he does. Not everything is black and white but it seems on here it has to be.

[Gingeletiss]

Again you fall into the trap of thinking that those who don't slag off Lowe support him or everything he does. Not everything is black and white but it seems on here it has to be.

 

 

But you slag off Crouch etc..........support everyone who defends Lowe 'Manji etc'...............then grizzle when labeled as a 'Lowe lovie'.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

A game lasts 90 minutes not 45, the idea is if it's not working out in the first half you change things around, now remind me what happened in the second half.......

 

The thing is mr Rolly eyes we need to stop getting in such perilous

situations as we did against Norwich as we won`t always be able to rectify

it...as has been proved over and over under the dutch setup.

 

Nothing has really changed. same meat different gravy as mentioned previously.

[saintwarwick]

The users on this forum who seem to support Lowe are complaining about those that don't by calling them names and saying that their views are wrong etc!

Please someone tell me how that behavior makes you any better than the people that you are criticizing?

Try posting comments without the childish name calling and maybe people will take more notice of your opinions.

 

Try reading all posts and threads and you will find it's ***** fighting from both sides not just pro-Lowe, or are you anti-Lowe to make the comment in the first place

[Sheff Saint]

Felt sorry for Wotte a litle bit.

 

Why was neither Chairman there to answer the questions about the position?

 

Thought Wotte was hung out to dry.

[Window Cleaner]

Felt sorry for Wotte a litle bit.

 

Why was neither Chairman there to answer the questions about the position?

 

Thought Wotte was hung out to dry.

 

Apparently Wilde was there.

See "Was our leader there" thread

[Sheff Saint]

...

[Foxy]

Wotte's comments were aimed at the protesters, he was talking about the stance held towards Lowe. That is what I have issue with, fans aren't p1ssed because of the last 8 months, this feeling towards Lowe is years old. Personally I feel that far from being "easy to judge" us fans have been remarkably tolerant and supportive of the new set up!

 

But perhaps (and we only saw the cut version of the interview) we may have been referring to the anti-Wotte polacards and chants we saw in the ITV montage of the protest. If that's the case he was probably fair in saying that people were quick to pass judgement, given that he's about a week into the job.

 

And frankly ITV's article on the game was based around a divided club and angry fanbase so they will have editted the interview to fit with that mood IMO.

 

From the couple of interviews I have seen Wotte seems to come over OK. He's preseided over two OK results. I'm happy to wait a while and consider the tough circumstances he's inherited before I pass judgement.

 

Oh, and unlike some I don't hold the rather bigotted view that being from the Netherlands somehow makes you less capable as a football coach. After all Branfoot, Redknapp and my mum are all English but I woudln't want any of them trying to mastermind a relegation fight on a shoestring budget

[exit2]

Brilliant reply.Is it that easy to become an administrator ?

 

Ouch that hurt

 

Thing is there have been hundreds of posts from fans saying why they protested, why they are unhappy, and it seems some people including you dont take it in or accept their views.

[Wes Tender]

The thing that makes me laugh about this forum is that 90% of you see everything in one dimension only. Every single comment, quote, picture, goal, refereeing decision, pint in a plastic cup, tea with not enough milk in is manipulated against Rupert, Wotte, JP whoever....

 

Whilst I don't agree with how the club is being run and who is in charge of team affairs etc I'm still mature enough to be able to distinguish between our predicament and reality.

 

Wotte is 100% correct in what he said - look at the posistion we were in last season, the facts are there in black and white for all to see.

 

tossers

 

Always a good laugh when somebody posts on here to puff out their chest and tell everbody else how petty-minded and juvenile they are and in doing so, shoots themselves in the foot.

 

The majority of us posters apparently can only see things in one dimension, whereas you support what Wotte says as the facts are there in black and white. Presumably you're twice as dimensional as most of us, being able to see things in the black dimension as well as the white one.

 

You obviously don't accept that there are any shades of grey about the Wotte opinion and he is 100% correct. How one dimensional is your opinion?

Edited 1 February, 2009 by Wes Tender

[Matt SFC]

WOW to my surprise another "omg i r outraged!!!!!1" thread from St Jason. Topped off by the ever tedious and pathetic Always SFC. Whoever said this forum was turning into repetitive drivel spouted by nitpickers

[miserableoldgit]

The thing that makes me laugh about this forum is that 90% of you see everything in one dimension only. Every single comment, quote, picture, goal, refereeing decision, pint in a plastic cup, tea with not enough milk in is manipulated against Rupert, Wotte, JP whoever....

 

Whilst I don't agree with how the club is being run and who is in charge of team affairs etc I'm still mature enough to be able to distinguish between our predicament and reality.

 

Wotte is 100% correct in what he said - look at the posistion we were in last season, the facts are there in black and white for all to see.

 

tossers

 

This is not just about last year. This is about the nightmare journey that we have been on for the last 5 or 6 years and the root cause of that journey.

 

Tosser.

[solentstars]

This idea of a few/minority of attendees (you can't call them fans) having an agenda in respect of RL and MW is completely wide of the mark. Lets get real, most of them wouldn't understand what an agenda actually is?

 

Face it, were not talking about the smartest bunch are we, their endless chants of RL out and now the beginnings (after 2 games) of a 'Wotte's useless' mantra only confirm their blinkered view.

Whilst I too would like to see Lowe out and a benefactor in, as it's unlikely at this precise moment then as far as i'm concerned i'll do my bit by supporting the saints, that's s u p p o r t i n g not u n d e r m i n i n g.

 

If we survive this period whether it be via relegation or even adminstration I hope those idiots that post on here and there are to many to bother listing hold their heads in shame and admit that apart from paying for a ticket they have done nothing to help the situation, were bereft of ideas and sought, perhaps unwittingly in some cases, deliberately in others, to bring the club down to their level.

i think you spot on with that post.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Thanks for a thoughtful reply but realistically the response to Wottes interview is very much hysterical scapegoatism and can only damage the club futher.

I do not in any way believe that (a) administration or (b) relegation will in anyway benefit the club.

As I have said I really do think that this rabid anti-Loweism has got to the point where some fans do wish this club ill.

For my part I am not as Pro-Lowe as some might think (here goes my free season ticket and hospitality from Rupert) but I have not heard any CREDIBLE alternative.If Lowe left and Crouch/McMenemy took over things would get worse as they did before and I see no viable alternative.Please dont quote that pathetic Merrington led group or SISU either.

It really does feel like many are just protesting because we got relegated and are not doing very well anymore and 50/60 other clubs could be doing that.

 

I agree there is a lack of a big credible alternative.

I think perhaps in hindsight however it would have been better to have given the Crouch/Pearson option a few months, if only because they were on a bit of a roll after excaping relegation.

Lowe made his mind to come back in Feb/March (and got MW onside) but then ran too fast with the ball. If he waited until say Nov/Dec and the Crouch/NP show was faltering he would have been in a better position to claim the moral high ground and Crouch would have been a busted flush.

 

This failing probably encapsulates Lowe's biggest flaw - he is too entranched and is not flexible in deed once he has made his mind up.

 

Nice to have a sensible debate with you, btw - I do "understand" the points you make but of course everything is polarised with Rupert Lowe and I am as guilty as anyone for that, I accept.

[eurosaint]

I agree there is a lack of a big credible alternative.

I think perhaps in hindsight however it would have been better to have given the Crouch/Pearson option a few months, if only because they were on a bit of a roll after excaping relegation.

Lowe made his mind to come back in Feb/March (and got MW onside) but then ran too fast with the ball. If he waited until say Nov/Dec and the Crouch/NP show was faltering he would have been in a better position to claim the moral high ground and Crouch would have been a busted flush.

 

This failing probably encapsulates Lowe's biggest flaw - he is too entranched and is not flexible in deed once he has made his mind up.

 

Nice to have a sensible debate with you, btw - I do "understand" the points you make but of course everything is polarised with Rupert Lowe and I am as guilty as anyone for that, I accept.

 

That one sentence represents the root cause of todays dismal situation at SFC I'm afraid !

[St. Jason]

he didn't say that, just watched it again -so think you can relax! and maybe reserve your opinion of him to what he does with the team!

 

Wotte didn't say fans were "to easy to judge" are you sure you watched the championship and not that inferior BBC 1 substitute match of the day?? Because in the championship he definitely said we were "easy to judge"

 

According to Lowe he was part of the dream team, he and the other 3 coaches were ALL responsible for the team, funny how that's all now forgotten, all Jp's fault!!

[Tomobz]

I dont hold too much against Wotte for this comment as he has to show support for the chairman. I do however think it could have been worded better and he should have been more diplomatic, he didn't even need to comment on the matter as it is a touchy subject and one where he can almost never be right, no matter what he says.

[St. Jason]

He didn't sat that -so if you are going to analyse his every word get them right !

 

Again, please explain what he said then because he 100% said "these people are easy to judge", it's one thing arguing about things but when its on national tv......................oh bullox, you win, i missed heard him when he said "to easy to judge" he was talking about Newcastle fans and their treatment of Mike Ashley, quite right, I stand corrected, feel such a fool.

 

Note to self "must not take the first meaning of a statement, must look for different meanings"

[NickG]

I'm not posting it again mate, i found his comment about fans being quick to judge offensive, simple as that!

 

this is one I was referring to -not quick, thread was that long couldn't remember the start of it! He didn't say this.

 

I can't see how easy to judge is offensive?

[NickG]

think you took it as quick to judge. Anyway not big issue. Judge him on game and he did ok.

[St. Jason]

I'm sure Wotte is really not bothered with your footbaling insights, he's trying to win games, impress the board to retain his job and ultimatly keep us up.

 

Personally I was pleased he spoke his mind, whether you like the message or not is at this crucial stage largely irrelevant, the fact that he is harder edged than Jan and isn't looking to please everyone is the main thing.

 

I would have preferred a more experienced English manager but it's not meant to be so i'm for the time being prepared to support him and the team in the hope that doing so will assist rather than hinder.

 

I can't see how criticising, protesting, baracking and singing negative songs at this vital and pivitol stage of the season is going to do anything but add pressure to an already underperforming team who are clearly in the last few games trying to turn a corner.

 

What I do think is at the moment there is a large contingent of so called fans who for some perverse reason are looking for Wotte to fail, probably because they think this will hasten Lowes exit, not considering that Wottes failure will by default signal the demise of the club, certainly in this division and possibly worse.

 

As has been posted a million times already, the support for both team and manager this season has been excellent, excellent support but only 1 win. All ways the fans fault isn't it, anyone actually realise we're the poor mugs paying to be blamed? We can't criticise lowe, jp or Wotte as it might create a negative atmosphere, all these men are being paid to perform as of yet none have, but us paying customers are in the wrong for asking for more!

[St. Jason]

I don't give a **** what he says about club politics and fans if he keeps us up.

 

Let's concentrate on what happens on the pitch

 

 

FFS this is a Southampton FC fans forum, its here to discus everything Saints. You may not give a fvck (gave enough fvck to post) what the manager, players or chairman says but i do, if you don't care why bother posting and making the topic larger, your helping to create the beast you "don't give a fvck" about"

[St. Jason]

WOW to my surprise another "omg i r outraged!!!!!1" thread from St Jason. Topped off by the ever tedious and pathetic Always SFC. Whoever said this forum was turning into repetitive drivel spouted by nitpickers

 

 

Yet you still read it and reply???

 

Ps. not outraged, just offended!

[SaintRobbie]

Judge him on his results as manager Robbie.

 

I am doing. Draws = relegation. And we wont have time to put in someone who'll give us hope unless Wotte's removed soon.

 

But, if he manages to pull off a decent win soon I will obviously apologise... but he wont.

[NickG]

I am doing. Draws = relegation. And we wont have time to put in someone who'll give us hope unless Wotte's removed soon.

 

But, if he manages to pull off a decent win soon I will obviously apologise... but he wont.

 

did you say the same when NP started? with defeat and draws?

[St. Jason]

did you say the same when NP started? with defeat and draws?

 

I wasn't impressed with NP's appointment to be honest, I thought here we go again, but to be fair to him he won me over. I'll give Wotte the same support, I haven't knocked him as a manager, haven't knocked his tactics or team selection, all I'm saying is if doesn't know the facts or history of the club maybe he should show a bit of diplomacy and make no comment, or if he feels he must make a statement because he's been forced into a corner by a reporter, just say "I am here for the football, I am the manager of the football club, I'll leave all the politics to others!" just a thought!

 

Ps. I think the reason people aren't overly impressed with Wotte is because he was part of the new "revolutionary coaching set up" where it was all supposed to be "seamless with each coach taking a combined responsibility" yet with in days he's slagging of jp, saying we're to predictable then changing to a 4-4-2 system we'd been told for best part of a year "our boys can only play this system, they haven't trained any other way" with regards to the 4-1-3-1-1 or whatever it was!

[solentstars]

WOW to my surprise another "omg i r outraged!!!!!. Whoever said this forum was turning into repetitive drivel spouted by nitpickers

thats whats killing this board,the repetitive drivel by some of the posters,we all know what they are going to post.

[OldNick]

Is it just a case fans want a reason to have a go at RL's appointment and used a small part of an interview, a few words in fact, by a foreign person to be outraged?

[wild-saint]

I dont hold too much against Wotte for this comment as he has to show support for the chairman. I do however think it could have been worded better and he should have been more diplomatic, he didn't even need to comment on the matter as it is a touchy subject and one where he can almost never be right, no matter what he says.

 

I would be interested to know how everyone here would have worded an answer in an on the spot interview in a language that wasnt thier native tongue. FFS. I bet most on here would have adopted the speak slower and louder approach.

 

The hounds are out looking and waiting to pounce on the slightest slip up IMO.

[solentstars]

I would be interested to know how everyone here would have worded an answer in an on the spot interview in a language that wasnt thier native tongue. FFS. I bet most on here would have adopted the speak slower and louder approach.

 

The hounds are out looking and waiting to pounce on the slightest slip up IMO.

i think thats what happens,we have become so negative ,even last season they were laying into nigel pearson .

[Wes Tender]

This idea of a few/minority of attendees (you can't call them fans) having an agenda in respect of RL and MW is completely wide of the mark. Lets get real, most of them wouldn't understand what an agenda actually is?

 

Are you talking about the pro-Lowes or the anti-Lowes here?

 

Face it, were not talking about the smartest bunch are we, their endless chants of RL out and now the beginnings (after 2 games) of a 'Wotte's useless' mantra only confirm their blinkered view.

 

Ah! Presumably the anti-Lowes. Although until the bit about their endless chants, I thought you were still discussing the pros.

 

Whilst I too would like to see Lowe out and a benefactor in, as it's unlikely at this precise moment then as far as i'm concerned i'll do my bit by supporting the saints, that's s u p p o r t i n g not u n d e r m i n i n g.

 

Lowe is doing a brilliant job of undermining the Saints as it is, also a good job of alienating the s u p p o r t e r s.

 

If we survive this period whether it be via relegation or even adminstration I hope those idiots that post on here and there are too many to bother listing hold their heads in shame and admit that apart from paying for a ticket they have done nothing to help the situation, were bereft of ideas and sought, perhaps unwittingly in some cases, deliberately in others, to bring the club down to their level.

 

As usual, it isn't the fault of the board, it's the fault of the fans.

 

I'd just like to present a concept for your response and see where your position is on it. A company has a product and customers pay a comparatively high price for it. The product is not of merchantable quality. Do the customers have the right to complain and if their complaints are not answered, acknowledged or addressed, should they blindly continue supporting that company and its product, or would it be more sensible to stop buying that product until such times as it has improved?

 

What do you think? Who is the idiot? The customer who complains, or the one who continues to buy regardless of how shoddy the goods become?

 

Of course I realise that there is a difference between a football club and most other sorts of company. I realise that, but Lowe apparently doesn't. He thinks that he can serve up brisket at steak prices and that we will continue to support the club regardless.

 

Your attitude in insinuating that those who protest against Lowe are somehow a bunch of mindless idiots, is similar to the attitude and contempt that Lowe holds for the paying customer. Until we get a chairman who doesn't alienate the paying customers, we will go downhill because of the board, not the fans. The board is the cause, the fans reaction merely the symptom. You treat the symptoms by removing the cause, not the other way around.

[um pahars]

Is it just a case fans want a reason to have a go at RL's appointment and used a small part of an interview, a few words in fact, by a foreign person to be outraged?

 

To be quite frank, given everything that was going on, I would have expected someone to say "hold on, we're not going anywhere in this interview that is to do with Poortvliet, protests, Lowe, Wilde or Crouch". Problem is, we seem fairly leaderless at the moment.

 

Although I am all up for the Club being honest and upfront whenever possible with us, I'm also savvy enough to realise that sometimes the best response is to say nothing at all.

 

IMHO, Wotte's comments were misguided, poorly worded and unnecessary.

[Frank's cousin]

Stupid off the cuff remark for sure, but seems some are a tad over sensitive on this front - why the need to 'feel' constantly 'loved' by the club...? It seems its more important that someone talks nice and friendly to fans and they are the messiah; be insensitiuve to our needs...and tehy dont get given a chance.... jeez...how old are we?

[OldNick]

To be quite frank, given everything that was going on, I would have expected someone to say "hold on, we're not going anywhere in this interview that is to do with Poortvliet, protests, Lowe, Wilde or Crouch". Problem is, we seem fairly leaderless at the moment.

 

Although I am all up for the Club being honest and upfront whenever possible with us, I'm also savvy enough to realise that sometimes the best response is to say nothing at all.

 

IMHO, Wotte's comments were misguided, poorly worded and unnecessary.

All well and good Ump and I see your point but it is a storm in a tea cup and only hypersensitive fans would feel slighted by the comment and I still dont think it was aimed at the marchers per say.

[um pahars]

Stupid off the cuff remark for sure' date=' but seems some are a tad over sensitive on this front - why the need to 'feel' constantly 'loved' by the club...? [/quote']

 

I don't think we need to feel constantly loved, but in these sensitive times I think the manager would have been better advised to have kept his owne counsel.

 

It's one thing the Chairman not having any empathy with the supporters, but for a new manager to go in with both feet was unnecessary.

 

All well and good Ump and I see your point but it is a storm in a tea cup and only hypersensitive fans would feel slighted by the comment and I still dont think it was aimed at the marchers per say.

 

But as I have said above, these are sensitive times and I think he was naive in making such comments at a time when he should be trying to win over as many supporters as possible.

 

I wouldn't say it was aimed directly at those on the march, I think it was aimed at a wider audience than that!!!!

 

Considering he was an integral part of a management team that presided over such a disastrous 28 games, a period in which the team and the management received some pretty good backing, then I think he's plain wrong in suggesting "they are very easy in their judgement".

[Frank's cousin]

I don't think we need to feel constantly loved, but in these sensitive times I think the manager would have been better advised to have kept his owne counsel.

 

It's one thing the Chairman not having any empathy with the supporters, but for a new manager to go in with both feet was unnecessary.

 

 

 

But as I have said above, these are sensitive times and I think he was naive in making such comments at a time when he should be trying to win over as many supporters as possible.

 

I wouldn't say it was aimed directly at those on the march, I think it was aimed at a wider audience than that!!!!

 

Considering he was an integral part of a management team that presided over such a disastrous 28 games, a period in which the team and the management received some pretty good backing, then I think he's plain wrong in suggesting "they are very easy in their judgement".

 

UP they become 'sensitive time' because its overhyped and built up to be so - there are some for whom this serves their own agenda well and it would be naive to deny it.

[Saint Richard of Woolston]

 

Although I am all up for the Club being honest and upfront whenever possible with us, I'm also savvy enough to realise that sometimes the best response is to say nothing at all.

 

I took you at face value there, only to see you broke this apparent offer of silence two posts later.

 

IMHO, Wotte's comments were misguided, poorly worded and unnecessary.

 

And the fact that they were perfectly accurate matters not one jot. Good man! No bias here, then.

[OldNick]

I don't think we need to feel constantly loved, but in these sensitive times I think the manager would have been better advised to have kept his owne counsel.

 

It's one thing the Chairman not having any empathy with the supporters, but for a new manager to go in with both feet was unnecessary.

 

 

 

But as I have said above, these are sensitive times and I think he was naive in making such comments at a time when he should be trying to win over as many supporters as possible.

 

I wouldn't say it was aimed directly at those on the march, I think it was aimed at a wider audience than that!!!!

 

Considering he was an integral part of a management team that presided over such a disastrous 28 games, a period in which the team and the management received some pretty good backing, then I think he's plain wrong in suggesting "they are very easy in their judgement".

Did it upset you really? For a person who tries to calculate the situation it would surprise me if it really did upset you.You surely understand whilst his English is much better than Jan's the way he puts things may unintentionally offend, bloody hell i do it most days on here and English is allegedly my first language!

[um pahars]

UP they become 'sensitive time' because its overhyped and built up to be so - there are some for whom this serves their own agenda well and it would be naive to deny it.

 

If he doesn't say it, then it would have never have been an issue.

[um pahars]

I took you at face value there, only to see you broke this apparent offer of silence two posts later.

 

But I am a mere supporter posting on a noody internet message board.

 

I am not an integral part of a "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" that has so far been an abject failure tasked with unifying this Club and getting us all pulling in the same direction.

 

And the fact that they were perfectly accurate matters not one jot. Good man! No bias here, then.

 

I don't think that assessing things after 28 games and calling for a change makes us very easy in our judgement. In fact, I think we have been rather patient and rational.

 

In fact, it would appear that the sentiments of the supporters with regards the managerial situation were in tune with those in charge, who finally conceded it was failing.

[Weston Saint]

Those that are anti will find fault with everything, those that are pro will defend everything. The majority who are unhappy with the situation but hold a more balanced view will agree the comment was not wise, shrug their shoulders and move on.

 

What happens on the field of play, tactics and results are what is more of an interest to the majority not the spin behind it from all sides.

 

That is my thoughts on the subject.

[OldNick]

If he doesn't say it, then it would have never have been an issue.

That is 100% correct, having said that if the reporter had asked him the question and he had tried to bluff his way out of it , there would have been cries of foul.Sometimes it is Catch 22, we had the great MLT and Benali's motives questiojed last week as they didnt tow the rabid Lowe out line.Can you not see alos that the anti people are so unable to accept not all see it their way and perhaps there is a little bit of room in the middle ground.Most if not all Lowe posters say they want him goe, but not at any cost and so I feel they are the ones who are reasoned as they at least will try and listen to reason(ok there are a couple who wont)

[um pahars]

Did it upset you really?

 

Of course it didn't upset me, but I think it was a very ill advised or naive retort, at a time when he should be concentrating on winning over the fanbase and convincing us he is the right man for the job.

 

It demonstrated a distinct lack of empathy with the wider fanbase.

[OldNick]

But I am a mere supporter posting on a noody internet message board.

 

I am not an integral part of a "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" that has so far been an abject failure tasked with unifying this Club and getting us all pulling in the same direction.

 

 

 

I don't think that assessing things after 28 games and calling for a change makes us very easy in our judgement. In fact, I think we have been rather patient and rational.

 

In fact, it would appear that the sentiments of the supporters with regards the managerial situation were in tune with those in charge, who finally conceded it was failing.

Again valid points but are we not weary of every season getting at the manager /board because we are having bad times.If it wasnt HR or Gb it is jan or G&D.

Perhaps the focus of our anger has become RL but low and behold anyone taking over who does not delived success because the impatience of the fans is all consuming.