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Lee Molyneux is a very young and very inexperienced player and with Twottes words ringing in his ears to get stuck in and be more aggresive he overstepped the mark , but he did it trying to please his manager. It was obvious from the way we played yesterday and from the comments coming out of the Swansea camp that Twotte had sent the players out to get stuck in first and foremost. IMO that is why we went down to 10 men and as i said on another day we could have gone down to nine. I am all for a bit of aggression in the team if it is allied to the football , playing as we did yesterday and last tuesday is not going to keep us up. Twotte will not keep us up, and going on todays comments he has lost a large percentage of the fans support already , not that he ever had mine as he is just Lowes ******

 

Two games in and unbeaten and you decide to give him a childish name associated with womens genitalia. You cretin.

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Lee Molyneux is a very young and very inexperienced player and with Twottes words ringing in his ears to get stuck in and be more aggresive he overstepped the mark , but he did it trying to please his manager. It was obvious from the way we played yesterday and from the comments coming out of the Swansea camp that Twotte had sent the players out to get stuck in first and foremost. IMO that is why we went down to 10 men and as i said on another day we could have gone down to nine. I am all for a bit of aggression in the team if it is allied to the football , playing as we did yesterday and last tuesday is not going to keep us up. Twotte will not keep us up, and going on todays comments he has lost a large percentage of the fans support already , not that he ever had mine as he is just Lowes ******
So because the Swansea manager complained about our will to win aggression.We whined about Derby doing the same a couple of seasons back.I was brought up watching the Alehouse team and heard Shankley whining about us.We try and play the beautiful game the club gets knocked and then the old fashioned up and at them (Killers input??) and that is not good enough.
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Football is becoming too soft mate. Brian Clough would have spoke his mind and the only people that would have had a go at him would be the prawn sandwich brigade at the FA. Now it seems we want everyone to be nice and verbally w@nk us off.

 

I don't need anyone to w@nk me of, ask anyone who knows me and they'll you i'm a w@nker :-)

 

It's not about people being nice or pally its about him saying we are to quick to judge. The support at the ground has been excellent, do you know of any other club where its fans would tolerate this home form for this long? We have a divisive chairman, fan base is split, this feeling has been here for years, we're not quick to judge!

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I don't need anyone to w@nk me of, ask anyone who knows me and they'll you i'm a w@nker :-)

 

It's not about people being nice or pally its about him saying we are to quick to judge. The support at the ground has been excellent, do you know of any other club where its fans would tolerate this home form for this long? We have a divisive chairman, fan base is split, this feeling has been here for years, we're not quick to judge!

The fans YET again were supportive, and Wotte complimented them for it, even ITV said the same.
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So because the Swansea manager complained about our will to win aggression.We whined about Derby doing the same a couple of seasons back.I was brought up watching the Alehouse team and heard Shankley whining about us.We try and play the beautiful game the club gets knocked and then the old fashioned up and at them (Killers input??) and that is not good enough.

Quite reverse for me, He is strong speaks his mind and is trying to create a team that can fight to keep its head above water. Tactically he seem on the ball (bar 1st half norwich) Im happier now than with JP, long may the fight continue.

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Quite reverse for me, He is strong speaks his mind and is trying to create a team that can fight to keep its head above water. Tactically he seem on the ball (bar 1st half norwich) Im happier now than with JP, long may the fight continue.
I think i must have worded my post badly, I agree with you.
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read this thread first, now just seen programme - and chuckled!

 

total over reaction

 

thought fans, Wotte and team all came across well

 

And Crouch said, surprise surprise, the way to get rid of Lowe is for someone to come up with a big investment.

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The man is a foreigner with no previous connection with the country whose only previous connection with SFC was Rupert Lowe.

 

I have supported Saints since the middle fifties in the old third division south, a regional mixture of the bottom two divisions. I can say without any doubt whatsoever that Rupert Lowe is the most devisive influence this club has ever had to endure.

 

No man in this city has been so universally disliked. Anything that Wotte has to say on that subject should be ignored. He has no history with the club, owes his allegiance to Lowe, and has no idea what the average fan feels about his chairman.

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So because the Swansea manager complained about our will to win aggression.We whined about Derby doing the same a couple of seasons back.I was brought up watching the Alehouse team and heard Shankley whining about us.We try and play the beautiful game the club gets knocked and then the old fashioned up and at them (Killers input??) and that is not good enough.

 

I too was brought up watching the Alehouse team at the dell and very proud of it, Differnce was the Alehouse team days were MEN getting stuck in whilst playing fooball, not kids trying to play and please suits who plan there evey kick. When the likes of Moly and a few of the other kids are as football wise as our alehouse team were they wont pick up silly red cards.

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I too was brought up watching the Alehouse team at the dell and very proud of it, Differnce was the Alehouse team days were MEN getting stuck in whilst playing fooball, not kids trying to play and please suits who plan there evey kick. When the likes of Moly and a few of the other kids are as football wise as our alehouse team were they wont pick up silly red cards.
The refs are less tolerant now.Terry Paine would have been sent off loads of times as he always went in with his studs up,Big Ron left Jackie charlton a quivvering wreck and as for the great JMcG ....
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Jason can you put up a transcript of his inverview because it was not how i took it.I was pleasnly surprised that the march came over so well and they werent used as performing monkeys, by getting them to sing OWTS etc.

 

He said that rupert was not here last year and saints only stayed up on the last day, and we are quick to judge this year.

 

Basically saying that we are no worse of this year than last, and after only 8 months in charge us fans are quick to judge Lowe.

 

If he was not refering to Lowe why start by saying "Rupert was not eveu here last year", as i've said before i couldn't see any others clubs fans being as tolerant as we've been. Could you see Leeds fans welcoming Peter Ridsdale back?? Be interesting to see what sort of reception Mike Ashley gets this afternoon, a man thats sunk over £140m of his own money in the club!

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I genuinely don't give a to55 what he says as long as we win.

 

But two games in, he hasn't.

 

If I was him I would be getting fans on MY side to ensure I got a bit of time and understanding.

 

If he's confident he doesn't need my support - good.

 

But he might just look a total twonk in three weeks if we don't put some real points on the board.

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He can talk as much drivel as he likes if he keeps us up.

 

I wonder who mnay fans here could go on Dutch TV and give a decent interview in their language? Give the guy a break. He is right, Lowe wasn't here last year and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

 

He hasn't had a bad start and by all accounts the team of showing more fight. This bloke is the key to us staying up, perhaps a bit of support is not amiss?

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He said that rupert was not here last year and saints only stayed up on the last day, and we are quick to judge this year.

 

Basically saying that we are no worse of this year than last, and after only 8 months in charge us fans are quick to judge Lowe.

 

If he was not refering to Lowe why start by saying "Rupert was not eveu here last year", as i've said before i couldn't see any others clubs fans being as tolerant as we've been. Could you see Leeds fans welcoming Peter Ridsdale back?? Be interesting to see what sort of reception Mike Ashley gets this afternoon, a man thats sunk over £140m of his own money in the club!

but how is that having a go at the fans? I dont see that as not respecting the fans, but as Im not a vitriolic against RL then so may the reason for that.

Factually he is right though, but I am 100% sure he was not out to insult the good people who marched.It would be counter productive and he is too intelligent to do so.

Just seen the goals again on Sky and the Swansea first goal looks to me thaty AL did not track the run of the scorer,He didnt seem match fit yesterday.

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I wonder who mnay fans here could go on Dutch TV and give a decent interview in their language? Give the guy a break. He is right, Lowe wasn't here last year and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

 

He hasn't had a bad start and by all accounts the team of showing more fight. This bloke is the key to us staying up, perhaps a bit of support is not amiss?

 

A bit of support? Not one anti Lowe song at yesterdays game, full backing from all there.

 

Nothing was lost in translation mate, he said the fans are to easy to judge. Its got nothing to do with last year, its about here and now, its about who's running our club, its about Lowe not learning from the past!

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The refs are less tolerant now.Terry Paine would have been sent off loads of times as he always went in with his studs up,Big Ron left Jackie charlton a quivvering wreck and as for the great JMcG ....

 

 

You are right Nick, the old Alehouse team wouldn't last 5 minutes nowdays. Nor would Bremner's Leeds. In fcat most teams had a few hard men on their books, but we had more than most I think!

 

The game is very different now and played by a different type of person. The likes of Savage and Barton are in the minority.

 

The football of the 60's and 70's was played by real characters and was more enjoyable for that. Still, things move on...

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but how is that having a go at the fans? I dont see that as not respecting the fans, but as Im not a vitriolic against RL then so may the reason for that.

Factually he is right though, but I am 100% sure he was not out to insult the good people who marched.It would be counter productive and he is too intelligent to do so.

Just seen the goals again on Sky and the Swansea first goal looks to me thaty AL did not track the run of the scorer,He didnt seem match fit yesterday.

 

Ok, so who is he saying we are to easy to Judge?

 

Jan? Had full support from the fans at the games

Players? as above

 

He is right Lowe was not here last year, no protests last year either was there!

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A bit of support? Not one anti Lowe song at yesterdays game, full backing from all there.

 

Nothing was lost in translation mate, he said the fans are to easy to judge. Its got nothing to do with last year, its about here and now, its about who's running our club, its about Lowe not learning from the past!

 

I wasn't talking about the match, I was talking about here. Wotte has not been here 10 years and Lowe is his boss. He needs unity and probably can't understand the history, which is no surprise.

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Give me a job over there where I am paid **** loads of money for being an abject failure and I'll give it my best shot.

 

I'd like one of those too, but how has Wotte been an "abject failure"? WE have picked up 2 points when under JP we could well have lost both. We have scored 4 goals in two games and finally have a decent striker up front. Wotte shows signs of keeping us up. If nothing else we finally seem up for a fight. Perhaps we should judge him at the end of the season?

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probably can't understand the history,

 

In which case he should have kept his counsel and not involved himself in something that he knows nothing about. Quite frankly he should have kept his patronising comments to himself.

 

We are not "easy with our judgement" and have been fairly patient and understanding this season, despite being served up a continuum of rubbish.

 

I lost a degree of respect for Poortvliet when he complained about the crowds response in the Doncaster game, when frankly he should have been worried about being such an abject failure. I'm actually surprised the supporters held out for so long!!!

 

As for Wotte, well quite frankly considering he was a central pillar of the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", he would do better in attempting to win us over by getting points on the board, as opposed to aiming cheap shots at the supporters who he and others have massively let down this season.

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I wasn't talking about the match, I was talking about here. Wotte has not been here 10 years and Lowe is his boss. He needs unity and probably can't understand the history, which is no surprise.

 

The problem is though mate there will never be unity under Lowe.

 

You are right, he doesn't know the history which is why he shouldn't comment on it!

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Wouldn't go so far as saying impressed but fact is he has done ok so far.

 

He seems to have changed line up and spirit for the better.

 

Team seemed more confident yesterday -which after one win couldn't be easy.

 

Suggest lay off the criticisms purely due to who employed him and see how he gets on?

 

Yes,I think we have to give Wotte a chance,FFS.I saw some positive signs.

 

We would have won yesterday if Kelvin had saved rather than fumbled the ball.

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His comments on The Championship show's he has no knowledge of SFC or sympathy with Saints fans.

 

Wotte "Rupert was not here last year when they (not we?) were in a simliar position, those people (us fans, nice) are very easy with their judgement"

 

Not impressed, not impressed at all!

 

By Jove, Jason. Spot on there. He must never confuse any argument with a few facts. Wotte out.

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Yes,I think we have to give Wotte a chance,FFS.I saw some positive signs.

 

We would have won yesterday is Kelvin had saved rather than fumbled the ball.

 

Now thats someone I would not knock this season, he's been great. I suppose Swansea could say they'd of won if Monk didn't pass to Saga. :-)

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The problem is though mate there will never be unity under Lowe.

 

You are right, he doesn't know the history which is why he shouldn't comment on it!

 

 

I think he is commenting on what he knows, which is fare enough. As for unity under Lowe, was their unity under Wilde or unity under Crouch? To be honest I doubt if unity will exist again until all of these people have left the stage.

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I think he is commenting on what he knows, which is fare enough. As for unity under Lowe, was their unity under Wilde or unity under Crouch? To be honest I doubt if unity will exist again until all of these people have left the stage.

 

Can only comment on what i know and what people I know have said. Under Crouch there did seem to be a unity, a sense of togiverness, people thought we were finally moving in the right direction. We had a good manager, a united fan base a purpose, a direction. All in my opinion obviously, others may of seen it another way!

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As bad as his former boss JP..Wottey is still a Lowe stooge and will never make a Manager/Head Coach for a big club like Saints or in a league like the CCC.

 

Amateur or conference level appointment, again. Lowe and his Luvvies have NO idea at all.

 

LOwe employed a supposed "big name" in Redknapp and he did a fairly amateur job didn't he?

 

Ottery, give the bloke a chance. I actually feel we have a real chance of staying up for the first time in ages. And if we do go down at least it looks like we will go down with all guns blazing, which is more than happened under good ol'Arry.

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Can only comment on what i know and what people I know have said. Under Crouch there did seem to be a unity, a sense of togiverness, people thought we were finally moving in the right direction. We had a good manager, a united fan base a purpose, a direction. All in my opinion obviously, others may of seen it another way!

 

 

I don't know, I have had huge doubt about Crouch ever since his outburst against Woodward. I have also heard that the backers were not impressed, but again third hand stuff so who knows...

 

What I do know is that we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth on the last day, not a direction I had much faith in. Who knows, if he and Pearson had stayed we may be higher now, we may also be in administration.

 

We have what we have, for better or worse.

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I don't know, I have had huge doubt about Crouch ever since his outburst against Woodward. I have also heard that the backers were not impressed, but again third hand stuff so who knows...

 

What I do know is that we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth on the last day, not a direction I had much faith in. Who knows, if he and Pearson had stayed we may be higher now, we may also be in administration.

 

We have what we have, for better or worse.

 

Its a choice though mate isn't it, I don't have to go to the games, I don't have to support the set up, as it stands i'll be very surprised if i re-new my season ticket!

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LOwe employed a supposed "big name" in Redknapp and he did a fairly amateur job didn't he?

 

Ottery, give the bloke a chance. I actually feel we have a real chance of staying up for the first time in ages. And if we do go down at least it looks like we will go down with all guns blazing, which is more than happened under good ol'Arry.

 

What!!! After two drawn games the first of which we should have been dead and buried by half time largely due to more idiotic team selection??

 

How is it people like you are finding it hard to understand it as

WINS we need not brave comebacks to scrape a point.

 

Under Wotte we will get same old as it is still part of the previous

idiotic coaching set up installed by Lowe and the yes men...

 

LOWE,WILDE,WOTTE.....OUT!!!

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In which case he should have kept his counsel and not involved himself in something that he knows nothing about. Quite frankly he should have kept his patronising comments to himself.

 

We are not "easy with our judgement" and have been fairly patient and understanding this season, despite being served up a continuum of rubbish.

 

I lost a degree of respect for Poortvliet when he complained about the crowds response in the Doncaster game, when frankly he should have been worried about being such an abject failure. I'm actually surprised the supporters held out for so long!!!

 

As for Wotte, well quite frankly considering he was a central pillar of the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", he would do better in attempting to win us over by getting points on the board, as opposed to aiming cheap shots at the supporters who he and others have massively let down this season.

UM true but to be fair he was answering a question put to him by the journalist about the march.He didnt just come out with an outburst.Alos if you stood back and looked at it from a neutral position he is right.Being part of the set up is a disadvantage for him, but he was not making the ridiculouis subs etc.
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Its a choice though mate isn't it, I don't have to go to the games, I don't have to support the set up, as it stands i'll be very surprised if i re-new my season ticket!

 

You are spot on, it is a choice. I was listening to a guy on the Talksport phone in last night who stopped going to Pompey games when Harry went back out of principle. Things are now worse under Adams but he is philisophical about it and says he will still be going next season if they go down.

 

We all have choices. Thousands of people stopped going when we were relegated. If we get relegated again I expect we will lose more off he gate.

 

We were told before when Lowe went thousands would come flooding back. Didn't happen.

 

Lowe or Crouch or someone else, I suspect the only way the gates will increase is for us to win more games.

 

Lowe was never a problem when we were doing well in the Prem was he? Not loved true, but tolerated by most.

 

I think you will find that if Crouch came back and we went down and stayed down he would soon turn into a hate figure too.

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What!!! After two drawn games the first of which we should have been dead and buried by half time largely due to more idiotic team selection??

 

How is it people like you are finding it hard to understand it as

WINS we need not brave comebacks to scrape a point.

 

Under Wotte we will get same old as it is still part of the previous

idiotic coaching set up installed by Lowe and the yes men...

 

LOWE,WILDE.WOTTE.....OUT!!!

A knee jerk reaction is what RL was always being accused of, your not giving Wotte even 5 games before being so negative is what you are doing.LC may come in this week whop knows and then we willo have 3 managers in a season like last, that did us a lot of good in 2005 nearly disasterous last season and funnily enough is what happened \leicester last year.

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You are spot on, it is a choice. I was listening to a guy on the Talksport phone in last night who stopped going to Pompey games when Harry went back out of principle. Things are now worse under Adams but he is philisophical about it and says he will still be going next season if they go down.

 

We all have choices. Thousands of people stopped going when we were relegated. If we get relegated again I expect we will lose more off he gate.

 

We were told before when Lowe went thousands would come flooding back. Didn't happen.

 

Lowe or Crouch or someone else, I suspect the only way the gates will increase is for us to win more games.

 

Lowe was never a problem when we were doing well in the Prem was he? Not loved true, but tolerated by most.

 

I think you will find that if Crouch came back and we went down and stayed down he would soon turn into a hate figure too.

those fans would not go to games then either.
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What!!! After two drawn games the first of which we should have been dead and buried by half time largely due to more idiotic team selection??

 

How is it people like you are finding it hard to understand it as

WINS we need not brave comebacks to scrape a point.

 

Under Wotte we will get same old as it is still part of the previous

idiotic coaching set up installed by Lowe and the yes men...

 

LOWE,WILDE,WOTTE.....OUT!!!

 

Norwich have hit some form of late and Swansea are a decent side. A few weeks ago I would have expected us to lose both. At 2-0 down I didn't expect a point at Norwich. At 2-1 down against Swansea the same. With that kind of spirit you can turn draws into wins. If you still feel pessimistic that is your right. I don't, which is mine.

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A knee jerk reaction is what RL was always being accused of, your not giving Wotte even 5 games before being so negative is what you are doing.LC may come in this week whop knows and then we willo have 3 managers in a season like last, that did us a lot of good in 2005 nearly disasterous last season and funnily enough is what happened \leicester last year.

 

We do not have time to wait 5 games..we need wins.....FACT

 

We have promoted from within 3 times previous to wotte and all were

failures,what makes you think it will work this time?

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