saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Confused Ponty. So we can't recall a player if he's on loan because of FA regulations or because of the stupidity of our management in not building in a recall clause? Everyone else seems to be able to recall loanees... why can't we? FA Regulations does not seem a strong enough excuse to me, either our management is foolish or we have a recall clause. Different types of loans get different conditions. If a recall clause could have been put in it would have. Stop looking for things to have a go at the club for. There is plenty of things they have done wrong for all to see and have a go at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Eelpie certainly wasnt - he's been calling for recalling our loanees for a while - particularly Rasiak, he (and I agree) can't see the point of helping our rivals in a relegation battle. The point is about the double standards of so many people on here. If Dyer gets sold to Swansea today (apparently they have made a 500K bid and if we are about to go into admin as so many experts on here predict, then surely we won't be to turn that down will we) people like you will be up in arms about the ineptitude of SFC management in letting him go. Look at the facts - Nathan Dyer has done absolutely **** all for SFC except cost us a lot of money, yet all of a sudden he'll be the greatest football player the world has ever seen and we're doomed now he's gone. Fickle, fickle "tabloid" fans - it gets worse and worse. Check back to the posts when the nightclub incident came out - the same people who couldn't wait to get him out the door then will the the ones slagging off the club for doing exactly that. I think this is my last available post today so can't be back to carry on this lovely discussion with you. Lowe, Crouch and Wilde out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I must have missed that discussion, otherwise I would have argued vehemently against that viewpoint. I saw Dyer and Walcott many times over at Staplewood a few years back and there was no comparison whatsoever, despite Dyer being in the year group above Walcott. Because of some good contacts I was able to speak to a few coaches (definitely Prost & Wigleyand I think it was Jennings) and there was no question that Theo was the one tipped for the top, whereas there was always debate as to whether Dyer would be able to make the step up. Hopefully, he will come back and perform for us, but being honest I have never really rated him. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Confused Ponty. So we can't recall a player if he's on loan because of FA regulations or because of the stupidity of our management in not building in a recall clause? Everyone else seems to be able to recall loanees... why can't we? FA Regulations does not seem a strong enough excuse to me, either our management is foolish or we have a recall clause. You can't put a recall clause in a season long loan. That's the law according to the FA as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 You can't put a recall clause in a season long loan. That's the law according to the FA as far as I'm aware. It's not the length of the loan it's whether the loan is an initial loan or an extension. You can't recall the player during the initial loan period but if you then extend that period you can recall them. Usually what happens is Club A loan the player to club B for a month (the minimum allowable term I believe) Club A cannot then recall the player within that month. If the clubs agree to extend the loan beyond a month then Club A can recall them at any time. So it would appear that Dyer is Swanseas for the remainder of the season, there might be a release clause where if both clubs agree he can come back to us early, I can't see Swansea agreeing to that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 [quote=(not THE) You can't recall the player during the initial loan period but if you then extend that period you can recall them. Usually what happens is Club A loan the player to club B for a month (the minimum allowable term I believe) Club A cannot then recall the player within that month. If the clubs agree to extend the loan beyond a month then Club A can recall them at any time. I still don't understand why Lowe didn't stipulate a recall clause. If the loan was for part of the season it could have been included. If it has been extended it could have been included. Just like we have with other loan arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I still don't understand why Lowe didn't stipulate a recall clause. If the loan was for part of the season it could have been included. If it has been extended it could have been included. Just like we have with other loan arrangements. I have no idea, I'd guess Swansea are paying us a fair bit of money for the loan and didn't want to risk losing Dyer at any moment so would have stipulated no recall. Since we can't seem to shift our dead wood it would appear we had little other option at the time. It might be because Lowe is totally incompetent (that does seem to be the default assumption on here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 The mind boggles at how much better we could have done this season with all these players in from the start. I dont know how much money they have saved on wages but im pretty sure the extra 5000+ fans we would have had week in week out would have offset the cost. False economy in its purest form. The problem is we were making a loss last season and again this season even after player cuts. How can you keep that run going? Woolworths anyone??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubai Saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 My Swansea mate assures me Dyer is being sold today for £460k. They have not paid a fee for the loan and so can be recalled - getting around FA regulations is a tick box exercise. That is why the murmerings of a recall, to simply push through the sale. Who would have thought it - Dyer the saviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I still don't understand why Lowe didn't stipulate a recall clause. If the loan was for part of the season it could have been included. If it has been extended it could have been included. Just like we have with other loan arrangements. If the loan had been for 1 month then got extended you can be sure that a recall option would have been included. the swans wanted him for the rest of the season and he wasnt getting a look in here so it made sense to let him go out on loan and save us the wages. Its not that hard to work out. EDIT: (forgot the little smiley winky thingy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 My Swansea mate assures me Dyer is being sold today for £460k. They have not paid a fee for the loan and so can be recalled - getting around FA regulations is a tick box exercise. That is why the murmerings of a recall, to simply push through the sale. Who would have thought it - Dyer the saviourQuote: Originally Posted by nickh or its cat and mouse games to get Swansea to give a better offer. Alpine reply 'Jesus, only you would have come out with that. ' Perhaps just perhaps if this does happen you may have the temerity to come on and apologise for that comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Chris Wathan, who wrote that article on Dyer for Media Wales is very well connected with the Swansea camp. Unless any further developments were to happen today you can take his article as fact. Personally I think Wotte is resigned to losing Dyer - i am told he wants to go - and is stating publically he wants the player to stay in an attempt to increase the fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Forget Dyer. Kayne McLaggon has more potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Forget Dyer. Kayne McLaggon has more potential. funny, watching McLaggon on Saturday they seeemd very similar indeed - pacey, extremely lightweight, poor touch at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 I thought McLaggon looked a bit lazy. I guess he doesn't have experience, but he just stood up front and waited for the ball to come to him. He didn't provide much of an outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 From a Reading FC site: "Just been informed by a friend of mine who is a spurs fan that Spurs will Sign Stephen Hunt today, and we have lined up Southamptons Nathan Dyer as his replacement. Dyer apparently stayed in Southampton after the Swans game on Saturday, with Reading close to agreeing a £900,000 deal" Would be good if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 If another club attempts to sign Dyer then it will only push his transfer fee up; a good thing for us of course! I'm expecting Dyer to leave today and in truth it makes sense. He never reached his potential here and could be seen as a disruptive influence. It looks as though Martinez is starting to get the best out of him and the player himself is keen to leave. No doubt the bank would be happy if we manage to get a half decent transfer fee too and based on what I've seen of Kayne McLaggon thus far, he could be just as good as Dyer in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 funny, watching McLaggon on Saturday they seeemd very similar indeed - pacey, extremely lightweight, poor touch at times Funny, watching McLaggon at Norwich on Tuesday, he changed the game for us. Pacy determined and a nice shot on him. Good goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If so, it is further proof that Lowe is a clueless liability. I thought we had no best players and were all crap..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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