NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Maybe he said that because it`s the only way now as his plan/offer was turned down by Lowe and Wilde. It would achieve unity in the club,with the fans and get us a proper manager to try to save us from league one,LC is far more likely to bring at least one of these options,as far as staving off relegation the damage may of already been done with the appointment of the dutch disaster but imo we stand better chance with a experienced man at the sharp end. but how does a march achieve this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 but how does a march achieve this? Nick.....Nick! Nick Nick!.........The object is to rid the club of Lowe, followed by Wilde. This is what the march was about. The rest will follow once that objective has been acheived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 but how does a march achieve this? As a one off, not much so the pressure should continue and hopefully the protests in this form will continue and grow along with other actions untill the divisive lowe and his followers are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 It will not achieve anything other than make people feel better. As said before, change at the top will only be achieved if someone with a lot of spare dosh turns up and buys the club. All the demonstrations in the world can't deliver three points. which is what we are desparate for right now. Of course, but the atmosphere in the stadium during the early part of the match and during the team's fight-back was electric. The adrenalin flowing in the stadium, following the protests outside, was in some part due to the anti-Lowe feeling around the ground. You had to be there to feel this. I am very dismissive of anyone who was not at the match who would say otherwise. Coming back from 2-1 down certainly made us feel better. Certainly no-one can accuse the draw down to the protests outside . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Nick.....Nick! Nick Nick!.........The object is to rid the club of Lowe, followed by Wilde. This is what the march was about. The rest will follow once that objective has been acheived. But how does the march achieve its objective? Not hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I would have thought the march probably just added confirmed to those on the outside looking in that we are a disjointed club, run by idiots and supported by a minority of idiots but with a hard core of fans who attend week in and week out, supporting the team and not feeling the need to go walk about. The march had such an impact that Lowe was on his hols and may have heard something about it, and in truth thats about the sum of it. What would be better is if those that want to do something stopped renewing their season tickets and rest boycotted for a single game, now both those acts would have a true impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 But how does the march achieve its objective? Not hard! When my daughter learnt to walk, she took one step then fell over, but it was a monumental step for both of us, it gave her confidence to take more and walk further. That march was a first step, in itself not a big thing, but to many fans, it is the first of many..............and, as I said, it's objective is to rid our club of the worst thing to happen to it in our entire history.....worse than Branfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 When my daughter learnt to walk, she took one step then fell over, but it was a monumental step for both of us, it gave her confidence to take more and walk further. That march was a first step, in itself not a big thing, but to many fans, it is the first of many..............and, as I said, it's objective is to rid our club of the worst thing to happen to it in our entire history.....worse than Branfoot. analogy falls down as the step is recognisable as a step towards the goal - I am yet to hear how this is a step towards the goal rather than just steps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 You won't know a goal has been scored/achieved, until it happens, even you must know that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 ok lets both keep it simple. Acknowledge its was a step - how do you see it working? Whats the bit in the middle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 ok lets both keep it simple. Acknowledge its was a step - how do you see it working? Whats the bit in the middle! If I knew the answer to that.....I'd be reading fortunes for a living. Can you not understand, that for there to be a finish, there must be a start. As in Branfoot....it gathered pace, then.........'YOUR Goal', he was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 the start is an investor coming in, or Crouch coming up with £6m. Think we will agree to disagree. Not knocking anyone for trying, just think Lowe will not care and therefore its a waste of time effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 In a perfect world we will win on Tuesday and then pay back Watford in kind. However I have my doubts about our being able to do such at this moment in time. If LC had access to the sum needed he would have done it by now. Unless of course he is just postering for us the fans. The thing that puzzles me is this. If we are as close to administration as some would have us believe why aren't the shares moving. Surely the shareholders would be trying to unload before they lose their money. The protest was the first step and now the second has to be agreed upon in time for the preston game. I agree that protesting on its own won't achieve a lot. Maybe increase the size of the next if that were to be the decision. We need a good selection of alternative options quickly so time is available to set the choice in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 ok lets both keep it simple. Acknowledge its was a step - how do you see it working? Whats the bit in the middle! The protest was the very start ,the bit in the middle is an ever increasing protest home game by home game, Lowe will not put up with the slight on his ability being known nationwide. Eventually he will capitulate to the pressure and sell to the first offer that comes along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The protest was the very start ,the bit in the middle is an ever increasing protest home game by home game, Lowe will not put up with the slight on his ability being known nationwide. Eventually he will capitulate to the pressure and sell to the first offer that comes along You'll know if that has sunk in, when you don't get a reply. I've tried, but he won't listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I didn't go on the march as I'm not really sure what positive ideas the protestors have. I think Lowe is now such a divisive and unpopular figure that it is overwhelmingly in the interests of the club (and probably actually in his intersts too) that he should go. But, oddly, that's the easy bit. Without an injection of cash, I'm not sure what happens next. That said, I can conceive of a number of ways in which the protest might act as a constructive step to achieving its aims. It's probably impossible to know whether these have happened or will happen, but you don't need a particualrly agile mind to imagine them: 1. The publicity starts to gain the attention and interest of an alternative buyer. Or encourages an already potentially interested buyer to increase their level of interest. 2. The organisers of the demo now have some form of "supporter database" that can be deployed for future activities. This database probably grows as a consequence of publicity. 3. The financial muscle that is subsequently yielded by this supporters' database makes Lowe's position literally untenable - by e.g. the bank insisting of a change in the board because of the revenue being lost e.g. by a boycott. 4. Lowe and Wilde find the continuing build up of pressure so personally and/or professionally embarrassing that they throw in the towel. To be 100% clear, I'm not saying that any of these things have happened (or that they will). But I do understand the point of the protest and I believe it does help the "Lowe Out" cause. My problem with the "Lowe Out" cause is that I don't think it goes very far to addressing the bigger (more important) systemic problems. But that's probably where I have a difference with some of the demonstrators....Or perhaps where I'm being too "completist" or pedantic. But I do believe the chances of Lowe and Wilde being forced out are measurably increased by these sort of activities and the networks that they involve and create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 You'll know if that has sunk in, when you don't get a reply. I've tried, but he won't listen. He has been known of late to suffer a little amnesia, at one point the Lowe scitzophrenia almost became normal to a point where he actually made the odd critical comment of the Dark Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I went to work today and as I work in a Restaurant/bar we have all the English football on and lots of English supporters. I got at least 15 guys come up to me today to say how good the protest was yesterday. These fans were from a variety of clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tranmere, Sunderland, Newcastle and even a skate! So the publicity may make a positive impact for our cause. However to say that it was a waste of time is blatantly false because this was just a start and the publicity of our plight will get bigger if we carry on and things will have to change! P.S. one of my chefs is Spanish and doesn't speak much English and he found out about it! God knows how! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I think you have a point Sid. At a time when we need to be pulling together this is not ideal. Negativity breeds negativity. No it doesn't. Your one of the most negative sods on here and can only count such as Nineteen Canteen/Sundance, Manji and Johnny Farter as co conspiritors. I don't see your numbers increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I didn't go on the march as I'm not really sure what positive ideas the protestors have. I think Lowe is now such a divisive and unpopular figure that it is overwhelmingly in the interests of the club (and probably actually in his intersts too) that he should go. But, oddly, that's the easy bit. Without an injection of cash, I'm not sure what happens next. That said, I can conceive of a number of ways in which the protest might act as a constructive step to achieving its aims. It's probably impossible to know whether these have happened or will happen, but you don't need a particualrly agile mind to imagine them: 1. The publicity starts to gain the attention and interest of an alternative buyer. Or encourages an already potentially interested buyer to increase their level of interest. 2. The organisers of the demo now have some form of "supporter database" that can be deployed for future activities. This database probably grows as a consequence of publicity. 3. The financial muscle that is subsequently yielded by this supporters' database makes Lowe's position literally untenable - by e.g. the bank insisting of a change in the board because of the revenue being lost e.g. by a boycott. 4. Lowe and Wilde find the continuing build up of pressure so personally and/or professionally embarrassing that they throw in the towel. To be 100% clear, I'm not saying that any of these things have happened (or that they will). But I do understand the point of the protest and I believe it does help the "Lowe Out" cause. My problem with the "Lowe Out" cause is that I don't think it goes very far to addressing the bigger (more important) systemic problems. But that's probably where I have a difference with some of the demonstrators....Or perhaps where I'm being too "completist" or pedantic. But I do believe the chances of Lowe and Wilde being forced out are measurably increased by these sort of activities and the networks that they involve and create. A very perceptive post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 No it doesn't. Your one of the most negative sods on here and can only count such as Nineteen Canteen/Sundance, Manji and Johnny Farter as co conspiritors. I don't see your numbers increasing. If that is the way you see it Wes fair enough. I have never been negative about the club but if by not slating the CEO, the manager of whoever on every occasion make me a negative sod then I am happy to be what I am mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Wes, I agree.....pm it to nick will you, maybe then he will see where this is possibly going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 He has been known of late to suffer a little amnesia, at one point the Lowe scitzophrenia almost became normal to a point where he actually made the odd critical comment of the Dark Lord Snowballs, I thought my spelling was rubbish mate but yours is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The protest was the very start ,the bit in the middle is an ever increasing protest home game by home game, Lowe will not put up with the slight on his ability being known nationwide. Eventually he will capitulate to the pressure and sell to the first offer that comes along I think you underestimate how thick the bloke's skin is. I could be wrong but I think he is more likely to dig in even deeper. He has faced abuse for years and it hasn't made the slightest bit of difference. Most normal people would have bailed years ago, but he actually came back knowing full well he was as welcome as a t*rd in a swimming pool!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I didn't go on the march as I'm not really sure what positive ideas the protestors have. I think Lowe is now such a divisive and unpopular figure that it is overwhelmingly in the interests of the club (and probably actually in his intersts too) that he should go. But, oddly, that's the easy bit. Without an injection of cash, I'm not sure what happens next. That said, I can conceive of a number of ways in which the protest might act as a constructive step to achieving its aims. It's probably impossible to know whether these have happened or will happen, but you don't need a particualrly agile mind to imagine them: 1. The publicity starts to gain the attention and interest of an alternative buyer. Or encourages an already potentially interested buyer to increase their level of interest. 2. The organisers of the demo now have some form of "supporter database" that can be deployed for future activities. This database probably grows as a consequence of publicity. 3. The financial muscle that is subsequently yielded by this supporters' database makes Lowe's position literally untenable - by e.g. the bank insisting of a change in the board because of the revenue being lost e.g. by a boycott. 4. Lowe and Wilde find the continuing build up of pressure so personally and/or professionally embarrassing that they throw in the towel. To be 100% clear, I'm not saying that any of these things have happened (or that they will). But I do understand the point of the protest and I believe it does help the "Lowe Out" cause. My problem with the "Lowe Out" cause is that I don't think it goes very far to addressing the bigger (more important) systemic problems. But that's probably where I have a difference with some of the demonstrators....Or perhaps where I'm being too "completist" or pedantic. But I do believe the chances of Lowe and Wilde being forced out are measurably increased by these sort of activities and the networks that they involve and create.In a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I think you underestimate how thick the bloke's skin is. I could be wrong but I think he is more likely to dig in even deeper. He has faced abuse for years and it hasn't made the slightest bit of difference. Most normal people would have bailed years ago, but he actually came back knowing full well he was as welcome as a t*rd in a swimming pool!!! Yes.....but why, on this we can only speculate, but my theory is 'Jacksons farm', given all the clues, that's how it adds up for me. He dosn't give a stuff about this club, so there is a financial reward there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 I didn't go on the march as I'm not really sure what positive ideas the protestors have. I think Lowe is now such a divisive and unpopular figure that it is overwhelmingly in the interests of the club (and probably actually in his intersts too) that he should go. But, oddly, that's the easy bit. Without an injection of cash, I'm not sure what happens next. That said, I can conceive of a number of ways in which the protest might act as a constructive step to achieving its aims. It's probably impossible to know whether these have happened or will happen, but you don't need a particualrly agile mind to imagine them: 1. The publicity starts to gain the attention and interest of an alternative buyer. Or encourages an already potentially interested buyer to increase their level of interest. 2. The organisers of the demo now have some form of "supporter database" that can be deployed for future activities. This database probably grows as a consequence of publicity. 3. The financial muscle that is subsequently yielded by this supporters' database makes Lowe's position literally untenable - by e.g. the bank insisting of a change in the board because of the revenue being lost e.g. by a boycott. 4. Lowe and Wilde find the continuing build up of pressure so personally and/or professionally embarrassing that they throw in the towel. To be 100% clear, I'm not saying that any of these things have happened (or that they will). But I do understand the point of the protest and I believe it does help the "Lowe Out" cause. My problem with the "Lowe Out" cause is that I don't think it goes very far to addressing the bigger (more important) systemic problems. But that's probably where I have a difference with some of the demonstrators....Or perhaps where I'm being too "completist" or pedantic. But I do believe the chances of Lowe and Wilde being forced out are measurably increased by these sort of activities and the networks that they involve and create. much better put than others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Snowballs, I thought my spelling was rubbish mate but yours is worse. I am excused due to my age SOG, you are excused because of the content of your postings. By the way I learned bad spelling early my father was a journalist on the echo from 1939 to 1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Well done to the guys that organised the march.Keep it ging it will only get bigger with more coverage.Lets get Lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The only Swansea supporters I saw were on our side. Having been there 7 years ago they knew how we felt. They told us to keep fighting if we want our club back because in the end we would win. They did warn us that the fight could take some time and to up the ante. A couple even marched with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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