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Well here we are on the eve of the big march and looking at the Saints forum tonight, home of the most fanatical section of our supporters we have only 45% of those who voted saying they will attend. A total of 204 fans many of whom would have voted without being able to come along I suspect either through 'work commitments', location or to simply up the ante. I suspect 200 will be about the total made up of genuine fans, youths spoiling for a fight and then the figureheads whose reasons for supporting the demonstration are more to do with their own personal agendas and grievances against Lowe than whether he is the best man to take the club forward or not.

 

Despite everyone's best intentions, peaceful demonstrations to some 'football fans' are an anathema and I genuinely fear for the safety of those who feel happy taking their children on this march having witnessed some of the unsavoury scenes at the Doncaster game and having since identifed and been surprised by some of those involved. I hope it remains peaceful but I suspect judging by some of the comments on this thread fights will undoubtedly break out as some of the more rabid anti-lowe factions and those not even interested in our predictament revert to aggression and violence instead of words.

 

What's really sad this will surely have a negative impact on the players before they even get to the ground and with fans wishing they are defeated just so they can make their demonstration even more 'laudable' then you surely have to question what is the real purpose of this demonstration. Makes you wonder what Killer makes of it all, a Lowe appointment and therefore one that the demonstrators will want removed glancing through some of the more ridiculous posts and its these posts that are worrying and suggest a few idiots will be in tow so watch yourselves.

 

The last time Lowe was removed the fans were able to get behind an alternative campagn but this time its Lowe out, Wilde out and then what? Crouch? All I can say is don't believe his own hype and whilst he talked a good game, Crouch didn't have the courage to back his own convictions as his main priority as always was to curry favour with the fans or sit back and wait or say I told you so. That's an easy game to play and most of us footie fans play it very well.

 

So we will have 200 fanatics trying to cajole and rile the vast majority of fans in the ground. Those fans who make up the middle ground who prefer to support and identify with the plight the club or remain simply conscientious objectors perhaps to both sids of the argument. I trust that when the majority ask the minority to sit down so they can enjoy the game we don't see alledgedly grown and considered respectable men becoming aggressive with women and children or families or any fan objecting to their aggression. Remember there are two sides to the argument and those who wish not to take part also have their rights so please respect them. That did not happen at the Doncaster game and I am concerned about tomorrows events and more so about the impact on the game. If we go a goal down and it all kicks off you the demonstrators will be playing a major part in our downfall along with you nemesis and that is not clever in any General's book.

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Sorry Gemmel did I miss something or did this walk actually achieve anything? Several hundred walkers, maximum of 7.5% of the Saints fans at the game but probably less than 5% in reality. At 1pm I understand the queues in Pret et Manger were bigger. So you all had an enjoyable walk to the ground but unlike 3 years ago you have no alternative plan and even if you did unless it rid the club of all the directors most fans who occupy the middle ground still recognise that Lowe is the best placed person to manage this club for the time being as Crouch was a disaster and an after timer and false prophet. Still perhaps in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king. Any celebrities come out and tarnish their image today in support? Was Crouch there? Corbett? (Perhaps she didn't come out of Primark in time, just loving those bargains for her next trip round the South of France)

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Thanks 70's Mike - you added about 8 years to my age!

Was interviewed by Solent while walking across park, having started near the back of the march (my husband had the WANTED - CHAIRMAN banner) I was actually stranded 200 yards behind the four coppers at the back. Suggest (if there's a) next time you all take a slower pace. I wasn't the only one singled out for interview - but the others were more able than I was to catch up.

Also, bumped into several people who'd arrived at the Bargate to find the march had left already - so would also suggest it leaves maybe five minutes late to get the stragglers on board?

Was also interviewed by Gabriel Clark - will have to see if the camera lies if they have a snip of me on tomorrow? I jest.

Please be aware that Solent (Julian Clegg) Monday morning is covering the protest at the same time that Leon and Dave Merrington were on last Monday - possibly 8.30 onwards? And Frannie is going to be on the programme. Was told this by the producer of the JC programme after the interview.

Well done Connor, hope you sleep better tonight......

 

Sorry no insult intended, at 55 i was just worried i would be oldest

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every time i come on this forum, i find ridiculous Lowe PR plants. It's so disheartening.

 

Witness "Nineteen Canteen".

 

The latest little example of this.

 

The People want the Lowe out. Lowe doesnt do the people the courtesy of talking to them in the way they expect. It's not rocket science, PR boy.

 

Maybe if there was less emphasis on cynical tactics of manipulation via online PR plants like you, and more on honest open discourse and human engagement, the problem would cease to exist.

 

When you next report back to Lowe, maybe that should be your advice. In the meantime, stop playing a game that takes no one in on here. Time for a strategy rethink, Mr entrepreneur. Or the downturn will start to bite.

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Well all those Lowe luvies and everyone else who mocked the march,i think you all have been proved very wrong.

Not only was the march well organised,it was also well attended as well.

There were at least 1000-2000 fans there of all ages and everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet-Lowe out!

This is just the first step.

Lowe go now before things get serious.

 

It may shock you to know, that the organiser was only 16 years old.....

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Can an Anti-Lowe supporter please acknowledge that just maybe someone can consider the current set up as better than an alternative already within the club without being Lowe-luvvie? I wish they would all go but that still requires a buyer. Until then I would rather have a man with a plan than a dreamer in charge.

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Can an Anti-Lowe supporter please acknowledge that just maybe someone can consider the current set up as better than an alternative already within the club without being Lowe-luvvie? I wish they would all go but that still requires a buyer. Until then I would rather have a man with a plan than a dreamer in charge.

 

I would have no problem acknowledging your right to hold and espouse that view.

 

I don't agree with it, I think it is flawed and I certainly can't read your last line up there without breaking into a chuckle the bit about a man with a plan, when the plan has already gone tts up!!), but that still does not mean that you can't hold and espouse that viewpoint.

 

HTH.

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Well done Duncan, pity it took a 16 year old to organise a demo when you and your little band of 6 (Frank excepted) couldn't achieve what you triumphantly set out do last season. You met Wilde and disappeared crying over your spilt milk presumably not liking what you heard and left Frank to take the flak, at least that is what I am told. I'm sorry Duncan but you come across as a touch pathetic. You masquerade as a wonderful, romantic and old - fashioned fan but this my friend is just a personal vendetta against a man who probably on a bad day at the office called you an ar5ehole a few times. Get over it and accept that sometimes even Lowe makes the right call, judged on your singular line of questioning at the AGM. Always finger pointing Duncan but never challenging or thought provoking questions making it easy for the board to dismiss your 'sentiments' in my very humble opinion.

 

So the walk helped YOUR frustrations but what else did it achieve? Nothing because for all Connor's efforts no one helped him come up with an alternative solution, which should be of no surprise as you alledgedly couldn't finish what you started last time when it got tough last season. Enjoy your badge, treasure it, might be worth the price of a share next season. Well done though glad you got something to show for it and you managed to arrange all those family commitments that none of the rest of us ever have to do to support our beloved Saints.

 

In the meantime your romantic bullsh1t isn't working and you are IMO hiding your bitter and twisted glee behind all this 'made me proud to be a Saint' guff, surely that should be a given on any day of any week, month or year regardless. Be a man Duncan don't give in to hating.

 

Hey! Jonathan! That badge (at what? £1.00?) is already worth about five of your glorious leader's shares! And probably will last longer than Janspeed.

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and accept that given what Lowe and Wilde have inherited we should be pleased to still to be in touch with plan A - survival.

You Pratt.......forget ye not, that Crouch took over an un-holy mess from Lowe.......but in your book, that has already been consigned to the 'non' history

 

I find it very amusing that considering some of the so called older, wiser and passionate fans that it took the guile of a 16 year old lad

Yes it did....16 years old, and you come on and belittle other fans, to not only suit your own agenda, but to cause divission between fans...you make me sick.

 

so the gutless with their petty and personal agendas could latch on to this lad's enterprise. Well done Connor and I mean that sincerely at least you had the courage and the guts to get off your backside and do something about it instead of moaning and groaning and dishing out the verbal abuse to anyone with a different view. If I was Rupert Lowe

You mean you're not.......I'm shocked!!!!

I would bring you into the fold and offer you a role at the club, your enterprise should be rewarded and your energy channelled more productively to help the club develop.

As if he would want to work for a dictator, speak on word out of turn, and you are looking for a new job.

 

So what did the walk achieve?

Time will tell......

Do you have plan now?

Time will tell

but unfortunately until you actually get significant support your actions will fall on deaf ears and entrench those you wish to remove.

I think not...'deaf ears', they will have to be blind as well

 

Why? Because whether we like it or not the vast majority showed today they believe Lowe and Wilde are a far better option

That is the biggest leap of faith in the history of this club, you poor delusional fool.

 

I worry about you sanity pal.

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the march and the numbers that turned up far exceeded my expectations. The police had to close all roads in and around St Marys and I wonder when there was such a large scale protest in the streets of Southampton. Great humour, lots of kids and a protest brilliantly made and organised. (Thanks for my Rupert badge btw only 250 printed so it will be valuable soon.)

 

I think the demo helped frustrations because during the game the support was superb.

Ah so the walk down from the Bargate was a form of therapy for the whingers.Maybe you and and your small band could do it before every home game (ideally having a whip-round amongst yourselves to pay for the police overtime),get your frustrations (lol!) out.Then that will leave the majority of real supporters to get on with supporting the team.

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Exactly right Manji, and even if it was a 1,000 as claimed by the walkers (marchers implies some kind of glory so lets not use that) it was still less than 7.5% of the total number of Saints fans at the game today less the Swans. 7.5% made their point, well done but you remain in the minority, a tiny one at that, if you believe the BBC reports of 'several hundred'. You are oppose those who simply want to support the team and accept that given what Lowe and Wilde have inherited we should be pleased to still to be in touch with plan A - survival. Certainly no worse off than after 44 games last season any way.

 

what the fook are you on about?? Plan A... Inherited.. so your saying that these gimps have not fault in our downfall? 7.5% ish and growing i think you will find. No worse off than after 44 games??? wtf??? Deluded

 

Did anyone hear about the spoilt Charlton fans protesting today or Watford fans. Did Leicester fans walk away from their club and desert Mandaric when he took them down. Why? A lack of prejudice whipped up by a poisoned and demented few, perhaps?

 

Charlton, Watford etc..Bit different here as they havent had there club ruined consistantly by the same bloke and a judas.

 

I find it very amusing that considering some of the so called older, wiser and passionate fans that it took the guile of a 16 year old lad so the gutless with their petty and personal agendas could latch on to this lad's enterprise. Well done Connor and I mean that sincerely at least you had the courage and the guts to get off your backside and do something about it instead of moaning and groaning and dishing out the verbal abuse to anyone with a different view.

 

ooo now that sounds familiar..oh yes..you!

 

 

If I was Rupert Lowe I would bring you into the fold and offer you a role at the club, your enterprise should be rewarded and your energy channelled more productively to help the club develop.

 

the only way this club can move forward in a good way is without lowe and wilde. And as for develop, didnt we get to that stage before, fa cup final, the in the league, and lowe did his best to make sure we underdeveloped thereafter.

 

So what did the walk achieve? Does anyone know? Yesterday was National Gorilla Suit Day, it looks like it the walk could have been in recognition of that fact although most of you left your suits at home although a fair few had them on judging by the pictures. Do you have plan now? At least you have a 1.5% larger minority than the shareholders who decided not to support Lowe at the AGM but unfortunately until you actually get significant support your actions will fall on deaf ears and entrench those you wish to remove. Why? Because whether we like it or not the vast majority showed today they believe Lowe and Wilde are a far better option or lesser evil whichever way you want to look at it than Crouch and his wild and ridiculous claims. Leon do you make a habit of making stupid false prophecies in January with regard to Saints?

 

so you think it wil stop here, march and all done with..wrong! And no the vast majority do not want lowe etc here but dont forget this protest was arranged in what, a week, on here and facebook? Now imagine what could happen with more planning?

 

Well dane all, shows over and lets get back to supporting this club even though some of you will no doubt be gutted we didn't get stuffed 5-0 as per some posters sentiments - Charlie Wayman's among others. Your time for protest should have been last May and now like Crouch you are just a bunch of bitter after timers.

 

No, the show is not over, we did support the team on the field 100% and will continue to do so regardless of who is in the boardroom but we will simply not just sit down and watch lowe et al damage us further. Bitter after timers you say?? No i say more, Our club, stop ruining it, timers.

 

Oh and on a side note, where you there yesterday, doing your bit to support the team, assuming you know where st marys is.

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Well done Duncan, pity it took a 16 year old to organise a demo when you and your little band of 6 (Frank excepted) couldn't achieve what you triumphantly set out do last season. You met Wilde and disappeared crying over your spilt milk presumably not liking what you heard and left Frank to take the flak, at least that is what I am told. I'm sorry Duncan but you come across as a touch pathetic. You masquerade as a wonderful, romantic and old - fashioned fan but this my friend is just a personal vendetta against a man who probably on a bad day at the office called you an ar5ehole a few times. Get over it and accept that sometimes even Lowe makes the right call, judged on your singular line of questioning at the AGM. Always finger pointing Duncan but never challenging or thought provoking questions making it easy for the board to dismiss your 'sentiments' in my very humble opinion.

 

In the meantime your romantic bullsh1t isn't working and you are IMO hiding your bitter and twisted glee behind all this 'made me proud to be a Saint' guff, surely that should be a given on any day of any week, month or year regardless. Be a man Duncan don't give in to hating.

 

Be a man Sundance, don't give in to hating

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I didn't go on the march yesterday, as I was concerned that it would either be a "one man and his dog" type farce, or that there would be some sort of trouble.

 

With hindsight, I'm sorry I didn't go, and will definitely be there next time (if there is a next time).

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every time i come on this forum, i find ridiculous Lowe PR plants. It's so disheartening.

 

Witness "Nineteen Canteen".

 

The latest little example of this.

 

The People want the Lowe out. Lowe doesnt do the people the courtesy of talking to them in the way they expect. It's not rocket science, PR boy.

 

Maybe if there was less emphasis on cynical tactics of manipulation via online PR plants like you, and more on honest open discourse and human engagement, the problem would cease to exist.

 

When you next report back to Lowe, maybe that should be your advice. In the meantime, stop playing a game that takes no one in on here. Time for a strategy rethink, Mr entrepreneur. Or the downturn will start to bite.

Best not to read his posts. He's a troll mods.
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Ah so the walk down from the Bargate was a form of therapy for the whingers.Maybe you and and your small band could do it before every home game (ideally having a whip-round amongst yourselves to pay for the police overtime),get your frustrations (lol!) out.Then that will leave the majority of real supporters to get on with supporting the team.

 

In my view the so called "real supporters" you speak of,wouldve been the ones who took part in the march.

These are the fans who have turned up all season,despite having to watch Lowe and Wilde do their best to send us to League One.

Yet they felt they needed to get from behind a keyboard and protest for what they think is right.

Have you ever come out from behind your keyboard manji?

I tell you what,all you pro Lowes organise a march to tell the city of Southampton what a good job your leader is doing and lets see how many turn up.

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I would have no problem acknowledging your right to hold and espouse that view.

 

I don't agree with it, I think it is flawed and I certainly can't read your last line up there without breaking into a chuckle the bit about a man with a plan, when the plan has already gone tts up!!), but that still does not mean that you can't hold and espouse that viewpoint.

 

HTH.

 

I think his plan has been to try and keep us operating as a business by loaning out the high earners. He has made many ugly cost cutting decisions that frankly needed making and wouldnt win him any publicity points. Also by loaning them out he gave us a get out clause to bring them back. Fair enough we are close to the bottom so not a success story exactly but if we are in less debt and do stay up then he has began to turn us around.

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I think his plan has been to try and keep us operating as a business by loaning out the high earners. He has made many ugly cost cutting decisions that frankly needed making and wouldnt win him any publicity points. Also by loaning them out he gave us a get out clause to bring them back. Fair enough we are close to the bottom so not a success story exactly but if we are in less debt and do stay up then he has began to turn us around.

 

 

Thats exactly what Crouch was doing before Lowe and his lapdog came back.

But although we needed to rebuild,Lowe thought it was a good idea to gamble our future with Portaloo.

You couldnt make it up.

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I think his plan has been to try and keep us operating as a business by loaning out the high earners. He has made many ugly cost cutting decisions that frankly needed making and wouldnt win him any publicity points. Also by loaning them out he gave us a get out clause to bring them back. Fair enough we are close to the bottom so not a success story exactly but if we are in less debt and do stay up then he has began to turn us around.

 

We had started that at the end of last season. We would be better off had Pearson stayed.

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Well done to all those that were on the protest march yesterday,it came across pretty well on ITV. Even non Saints fans have commented to me about the perilous position at our club,so the message certainly got across.Now we need to keep the pressure on,and ensure we make life uncomfortable for those in charge who have bought our club to its knees.

 

As for the posters who have rubbished the protest,if you are honest I bet you never expected it to be so well supported.Some of you seem to be obvious Lowe/Wilde plants,while others appear to be living in a dream world if you are happy with the downward spiral our club has taken.The vast majority of true fans are unhappy with the way our club is run,we are not chavs/hooligans/mindless idiots but just decent passionate fans who have had enough.

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Well done to all those that were on the protest march yesterday,it came across pretty well on ITV. Even non Saints fans have commented to me about the perilous position at our club,so the message certainly got across.Now we need to keep the pressure on,and ensure we make life uncomfortable for those in charge who have bought our club to its knees.

 

As for the posters who have rubbished the protest,if you are honest I bet you never expected it to be so well supported.Some of you seem to be obvious Lowe/Wilde plants,while others appear to be living in a dream world if you are happy with the downward spiral our club has taken.The vast majority of true fans are unhappy with the way our club is run,we are not chavs/hooligans/mindless idiots but just decent passionate fans who have had enough.

 

I think most people who are independent of all the Lowe v whoever just wonder what the march has achieved. Not many were happy before but its not like a solution to the problem is now any closer. If that is the case then it was pointless no matter how heart felt.

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Can an Anti-Lowe supporter please acknowledge that just maybe someone can consider the current set up as better than an alternative already within the club without being Lowe-luvvie? I wish they would all go but that still requires a buyer. Until then I would rather have a man with a plan than a dreamer in charge.

 

As said and posted by a hundred posters, Lowe is working to Crouch's plan already.

 

Crouch loaned out Rasiak & Rudi last year, he had already propossed closing the corners (backed up by Lowe) he had the backing of Barclays and the note holder. Crouch would be under exactly the same instruction from the bank.

 

How about maybe you or your Pro-lowe mates acknowledge that things could be better under Crouch, acknowledge that Pearson possibly could be doing here what he's doing at Leicster, i don't mean being top but blending youth and experience and getting results, acknowledge that possibly under that set up we could be averaging 21k a game increasing turnover by £4m per season which could possibly reduce our overdaft which could possibly keep the bank happy!

 

So no, as an Anti-Lowe poster I do not aknowledge that already being on our second manager this year, crowds down by 4k, 1 home win, second from bottom of the league is a better option than Crouch!

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Hands up... proved me wrong.

 

Fair play to all of you that went, seen a couple of video clips and looked like a good mix of fans, and so far have not seen a clip of mongs waving at cameras etc.... so will look good in the media.

 

I am not sure it will be effective... but time will tell, I've been wrong once this week.

 

Same from me. While never being against the principle or idea of the march, I did say I didn't think the turnout would be that great.

 

Massive respect to those who attended not just for attending, but doing it in a manner which makes all fans look good and not like mindless morons.

 

I have been well and truly proven wrong in my comments on the turnout, so well done to all involved :)

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Sundance Beast, Nineteen Canteen and JohnnyFartPants - are they all the same person?

 

I believe two of them are but you know I am not. Seriously though. You criticise me for not discussing football matters and when I do you dodge answers. I dont think telling me to cuddle a teddy bear along with other insults gives you any credibility. I have no problem with you and your views, I just dont share them but am willing to discuss them. You are only willing to state what must be right and then insult those that do not agree. Cant we do this like adults?

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I believe two of them are but you know I am not. Seriously though. You criticise me for not discussing football matters and when I do you dodge answers. I dont think telling me to cuddle a teddy bear along with other insults gives you any credibility. I have no problem with you and your views, I just dont share them but am willing to discuss them. You are only willing to state what must be right and then insult those that do not agree. Cant we do this like adults?

 

TBF you are as bad as him with your baiting.

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I believe two of them are but you know I am not. Seriously though. You criticise me for not discussing football matters and when I do you dodge answers. I dont think telling me to cuddle a teddy bear along with other insults gives you any credibility. I have no problem with you and your views, I just dont share them but am willing to discuss them. You are only willing to state what must be right and then insult those that do not agree. Cant we do this like adults?

 

The snide nature of your posts do look similar to Sundance Beasts, but i will take you at your word.

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The snide nature of your posts do look similar to Sundance Beasts, but i will take you at your word.

 

I am not snide at all. I have just said many times that the march has not achieved anything and nobody seems to be able to disprove this. If it gave those concerned a feel good buzz then fair enough but lets not get that confused with a new dawning for Saints. Teddy bear was lovely though thanks!

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