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How many Lowe Luvvies do estimate you could muster for a pro Lowe demo?

 

Let's see.

 

The Anti-Lowe demo got 1500 supporters (excepting some incidentals and Swansea fans).

 

Attendance today 17,623. Therefore the Pro-Lowe demo was 16,123. We came a different route to you but it was very well supported.

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Let's see.

 

The Anti-Lowe demo got 1500 supporters (excepting some incidentals and Swansea fans).

 

Attendance today 17,623. Therefore the Pro-Lowe demo was 16,123. We came a different route to you but it was very well supported.

 

That's strange, why are you so few in number on here then?

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Let's see.

 

The Anti-Lowe demo got 1500 supporters (excepting some incidentals and Swansea fans).

 

Attendance today 17,623. Therefore the Pro-Lowe demo was 16,123. We came a different route to you but it was very well supported.

 

dream on mate

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There was so much about the march today that was good but I was particularly impressed by the fact that it was organised by young people.

 

Some of us were fortunate enough to support Saints in the late 70's / early 80's. We were spoilt by good football, good results and the sight of England internationals (both current and ex- internationals) playing for us. Today youngsters are not so fortunate but it is clear that they still have great passion and belief in the Saints.... as much as we older supporters who enjoyed the "good old days." For some of them to feel so strongly about their club to arrange a demonstration like today's which was peaceful yet passionate gives me great hope for our future. With fans like them, our club must prosper.

 

I applaud the fans who arranged today's march.

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We were at the back of the march and when we got going and entered Hannover Buildings, the main body was already at the roundabout by Debenhams.

 

When we entered Hoglands Park, the front was already in Kingsway.

 

And when we got into Kingsway, the main body were already in Old Northam Road.

 

A very well mannered and well attended march with fans of all ages (and their pets) taking part.

 

Speaking to one of the senior officers as we got into Kingsway, he commented on how well behaved and sensible the marchers were and estimated abot 1,500.

 

 

Thanks for the pictures. It looked and sounded like a well organized, peaceful and entirely justified demonstration...raising awareness of the need for change in the structure and running of the Club. I only wish I had been 12,000 miles closer so I could have joined in.

 

There were more than sometimes go to watch Hampshire.

 

Those that took part today should be proud of their efforts and conduct.

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Let's see.

 

The Anti-Lowe demo got 1500 supporters (excepting some incidentals and Swansea fans).

 

Attendance today 17,623. Therefore the Pro-Lowe demo was 16,123. We came a different route to you but it was very well supported.

 

 

I dont know the people you talk to Alain Perrin,but it must be a small,intimate group because i havent ever seen or heard of anyone ever having a good word to say about your hero Lowe.

I was on the march today and the only Swansea fans i saw were clapping our cause from their coaches.Even they can see we have a crap chairman.

As for your figures about those who didnt attend,you must either be on a wind up,or must be a Lowe plant,because quite frankly you talk rubbish.

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Let's see.

 

The Anti-Lowe demo got 1500 supporters (excepting some incidentals and Swansea fans).

 

Attendance today 17,623. Therefore the Pro-Lowe demo was 16,123. We came a different route to you but it was very well supported.

 

Actually there were many anti lowe protests, including a global boycott of todays game, which 6.75 billion people took part in. :)

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Let's see.

 

The Anti-Lowe demo got 1500 supporters (excepting some incidentals and Swansea fans).

 

Attendance today 17,623. Therefore the Pro-Lowe demo was 16,123. We came a different route to you but it was very well supported.

 

 

If you are going to talk rubbish at least try to make your figures right. 2700 of the crowd were Swansea supporters. Or in your world them supporting their club away from home makes them Lowe Luvvies does it?

 

GO BACK TO YOUR MASTER AND TELL HIM HE IS NO LONGER IN A POSITION OF DOMINANCE. WE ARE COMING FOR HIM AND HIS FRIENDS. WE WILL PREVAIL.

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I understand he has a lookalike. However, what i didn't say, is that he was on holiday in the new forest. I understand funds are tight in Mr Lowes pockets.

 

If Lowe is in the New Forest,do you think he had anything to do with the Lapland fiasco?

Lets face it people pay a lot of money to go in ,dont get want they expected then leave disappointed.

Not like Lowe has ever done that before hey?

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I dont know the people you talk to Alain Perrin,but it must be a small,intimate group because i havent ever seen or heard of anyone ever having a good word to say about your hero Lowe.

I was on the march today and the only Swansea fans i saw were clapping our cause from their coaches.Even they can see we have a crap chairman.

As for your figures about those who didnt attend,you must either be on a wind up,or must be a Lowe plant,because quite frankly you talk rubbish.

 

Or I've got something that you seem to lack (a sense of humour). There was no Pro-Lowe march, it was a joke, honest :)

 

No doubt the ABL gang are the majority, how big, how small cannot be judged. Personally I suspect it varies massively depending on the last few results.

 

I have no great affinity for Lowe, I just want Saint's to do well whoever is at the helm. I do think he gets some unnecessary stick for what is a ultimately a difficult job (especially at the moment given our finances). I would support an alternative if they would (could) do different / better things.

 

Does that make me a Luvvie? I don't think so, but you can think what you like.

 

My only problem with today's march was the non-specificity of its objectives. Sure 'Duck off Lowe' but then what? It reminds me of George Bush and Iraq. Clear he wanted to topple Saddam but without a plan for peace.

 

I don't buy Crouch as a viable alternative. Forget his short tenure before - where the Dodd / Gorman callamity and the duplicity over the Walcott cash in stand out (both of which incidentally would be hung round his neck like a millstone by you and your crew if they were Lowe's decisions), His behaviour at the AGM, ably assisted by Mr & Mrs McMenemy, sealed it for me. He's a fan, no doubt, but we need someone who is a business man first, Saints fan second and I don't think that is Crouch.

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Videos of the protest

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbN0E80qjE

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sXx8ZVF4yac

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Klrw2nSBo

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GMgbZAV-N6o

 

Saga's goal from a Saints perspective

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WIR4xRz_HHY

 

Saga's goal from a Swansea perspective (including the actual goal :))

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AyBhyd3xUMo

 

Oh and for anyone wondering (seeing as I can't post on the other thread), the Championship is repeated at 1 on ITV4 on Monday (not Tuesday).

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Im sorry in my reply to you Alain Perrin,i was a tad harsh and although i dont agree with a lot of your views,im sorry to dismiss them as rubbish.

At the moment i feel there are limited choices when it comes to who runs SFC,but i think Crouch would be the best of a bad lot.

Sure he made mistakes,especially with Gorman and Dodd,but thats nothing compared to Wigley.Also at least he brought Pearson in,who if he was still here,i feel wouldve had us at least midtable.

He also paid for the Ted Bates statue.Can you see Lowe or Wilde ever doing that?Also Crouch is a Saints fan,something the other two are not.

We havent got a lot of choices or time and while Lowe is still here,i think we will go down another league under his Chairmanship.

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How many Lowe Luvvies do estimate you could muster for a pro Lowe demo?

 

Do local elections or by elections bring anything to mind? Basically the lacking party tends to do well. I am not saying that Lowe is great but there is no valid alternative and people know this. Your protest merely saying "we are not happy being crap" has no solutions at all. We all hate being crap, only most of us realise that a rich man with answers will not come along because you have had a nice walk and sing song.

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Do local elections or by elections bring anything to mind? Basically the lacking party tends to do well. I am not saying that Lowe is great but there is no valid alternative and people know this. Your protest merely saying "we are not happy being crap" has no solutions at all. We all hate being crap, only most of us realise that a rich man with answers will not come along because you have had a nice walk and sing song.

 

And do you think anyone on the protest cares what you or your ilk think?

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Some great comments on here and so proud everyone made such effort. A real feel good factor in such adverse circumstances...makes me proud to be a Saints fan!

 

Obviously, we've the usual numpties like Perrin, Manji and Bungle trying their best to muddy the waters and get a rise but luckily most see them for what they are.

 

Some great piccies too so many, many thanks! The Saints really did go marching in!

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Now I just know you would have given a full and biting answer, had you one. My ilk just happen to have more sense than the romantic dinlo's that went for a walk today.

 

Those on the protest should be applauded. Snide comments from the likes of you are to be expected though.

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You failed to challenge the content of my post too. Weird that. Best just to state that a forum name containing the word "fart" isnt very grown up. It beats debating content anyway.

 

Your childish name matches your childish humour.

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Those on the protest should be applauded. Snide comments from the likes of you are to be expected though.

 

What am I to applaud? Forget recent crowds at St Mary's, the fan base that cares is well above the current gate. In fact the ones we have lost could arguably be considered to be on your side, yet despite this you still managed to get such a minority turn out. Beat your chest all you like, you achieved nothing today.

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What am I to applaud? Forget recent crowds at St Mary's, the fan base that cares is well above the current gate. In fact the ones we have lost could arguably be considered to be on your side, yet despite this you still managed to get such a minority turn out. Beat your chest all you like, you achieved nothing today.

 

:smt022

 

Go to bed and cuddle up to teddy little boy.

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What am I to applaud? Forget recent crowds at St Mary's, the fan base that cares is well above the current gate. In fact the ones we have lost could arguably be considered to be on your side, yet despite this you still managed to get such a minority turn out. Beat your chest all you like, you achieved nothing today.

 

As someone else mentioned, I reckon you would have to go back years to find a protest march in this fine City that pulled in the numbers that were there today.

 

As Lawrie once said we hide and conceal our passion, but to get 1,500 out on a march an hour and a half+ before kick off is a very big coup. It may not sit well with your beliefs, but I very much doubt we will see another demo of this size for any other cause for quite a while.

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We were at the back of the march and when we got going and entered Hannover Buildings, the main body was already at the roundabout by Debenhams.

 

When we entered Hoglands Park, the front was already in Kingsway.

 

And when we got into Kingsway, the main body were already in Old Northam Road.

 

 

FFS, can't we do anything unified :mad:

 

I was really hoping the Saints fans would all galvanise today but I come here to read that there were divisions and fans were all going their separate directions, no doubt with their own agendas.

 

A sad day indeed.

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As someone else mentioned, I reckon you would have to go back years to find a protest march in this fine City that pulled in the numbers that were there today.

 

As Lawrie once said we hide and conceal our passion, but to get 1,500 out on a march an hour and a half+ before kick off is a very big coup. It may not sit well with your beliefs, but I very much doubt we will see another demo of this size for any other cause for quite a while.

 

After this one achieves diddly squat, I believe you could be right.

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After this one achieves diddly squat, I believe you could be right.

 

What part of any other cause didn't you understand???

 

I know it grates with you that so many turned up and how you would have loved to be on here pontificating that only 200 turned up, but sadly you and a few others have been made to eat your words.

 

The turnout today was the start, and way, way, way ahead of the expectations of many. What happens next depends on the pride and passion of the supporters, not those who snipe behind their keyboards.

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What part of any other cause didn't you understand???

 

I know it grates with you that so many turned up and how you would have loved to be on here pontificating that only 200 turned up, but sadly you and a few others have been made to eat your words.

 

The turnout today was the start, and way, way, way ahead of the expectations of many. What happens next depends on the pride and passion of the supporters, not those who snipe behind their keyboards.

 

What words am I eating exactly? I have never said it will be poorly attended, though it still was if 1000 is to be believed. 17000 go that way anyway and because the club is being ran badly there are at least another 10000 that might agree with you. Out of all the possible local Saints fans I can easily imagine 1000 of them getting a bit emotional.

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I have never said it will be poorly attended,.

 

Couldn't agree more. I don't want to be part of some silly, failing thing ran by a few chavs either

 

A failing thing ran by a few chavs?????

 

It was hardly a failure and your description of those who arranged the march is rather pathetic IMHO.

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What words am I eating exactly? I have never said it will be poorly attended, though it still was if 1000 is to be believed. 17000 go that way anyway and because the club is being ran badly there are at least another 10000 that might agree with you. Out of all the possible local Saints fans I can easily imagine 1000 of them getting a bit emotional.

 

Pathetic pal, give up and stop trying to antagonise

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What words am I eating exactly? I have never said it will be poorly attended, though it still was if 1000 is to be believed. 17000 go that way anyway and because the club is being ran badly there are at least another 10000 that might agree with you. Out of all the possible local Saints fans I can easily imagine 1000 of them getting a bit emotional.

But the fact that between 1000-2000 bothered to actually turn up and go on the march speaks volumes.

Of course not everyone who attends the match will go on the march,but today i saw over a thousand fans against Lowe marching to the stadium.

Funny enough i didnt see not one person supporting Lowe or Wilde.

I think that says it all dont you Johnny?

Its easy to say things behind a keyboard.

Today over a thousand Saints fans actually cared enough to try and do something to stop the mess we are in.

It was great to see and made me feel proud.

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OK, it's time to put an end to this pro Lowe argument because frankly they don't exist. I've not spoken to one single saints fan that supports Lowe. Sure there's a few trolls on here and some who just fancy a wind up but they don't compare to the numbers that marched.

 

Think about it, as saints fans in the stadium, at games, at work, or anywhere have you ever heard a good word about Lowe recently? I'd guess the answer is no.

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Great protest, congrats to everyone who turned up. I arrived a couple of minutes late due to coming from London and stocking up at the saints store before heading back to Aus. I managed to walk from the back of the march to the front, I would say that there would have been at least 2000 people. 100 lines of 10 supporters is a thousand and from walking past it there was a lot more than that. It shows the power of the internet and the passion that people have for the club. Special mention to Conner for organising the event, a great effort at 16..

Unfortunately I go home after seven saints games without seeing a win, but today was definately the best of the seven. Fantastic support in the Northam, a proper formation and glimpses of a side that can win against any Championship side.

Congrats again.

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OK, it's time to put an end to this pro Lowe argument because frankly they don't exist. I've not spoken to one single saints fan that supports Lowe. Sure there's a few trolls on here and some who just fancy a wind up but they don't compare to the numbers that marched.

 

Think about it, as saints fans in the stadium, at games, at work, or anywhere have you ever heard a good word about Lowe recently? I'd guess the answer is no.

 

I quite like the applecheeked scamp.

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500 max as it neared the stadium. How many of those were just your average fan merging in as they walked to the stadium.

 

Exactly right Manji, and even if it was a 1,000 as claimed by the walkers (marchers implies some kind of glory so lets not use that) it was still less than 7.5% of the total number of Saints fans at the game today less the Swans. 7.5% made their point, well done but you remain in the minority, a tiny one at that, if you believe the BBC reports of 'several hundred'. You are oppose those who simply want to support the team and accept that given what Lowe and Wilde have inherited we should be pleased to still to be in touch with plan A - survival. Certainly no worse off than after 44 games last season any way.

 

Did anyone hear about the spoilt Charlton fans protesting today or Watford fans. Did Leicester fans walk away from their club and desert Mandaric when he took them down. Why? A lack of prejudice whipped up by a poisoned and demented few, perhaps?

 

I find it very amusing that considering some of the so called older, wiser and passionate fans that it took the guile of a 16 year old lad so the gutless with their petty and personal agendas could latch on to this lad's enterprise. Well done Connor and I mean that sincerely at least you had the courage and the guts to get off your backside and do something about it instead of moaning and groaning and dishing out the verbal abuse to anyone with a different view. If I was Rupert Lowe I would bring you into the fold and offer you a role at the club, your enterprise should be rewarded and your energy channelled more productively to help the club develop.

 

So what did the walk achieve? Does anyone know? Yesterday was National Gorilla Suit Day, it looks like it the walk could have been in recognition of that fact although most of you left your suits at home although a fair few had them on judging by the pictures. Do you have plan now? At least you have a 1.5% larger minority than the shareholders who decided not to support Lowe at the AGM but unfortunately until you actually get significant support your actions will fall on deaf ears and entrench those you wish to remove. Why? Because whether we like it or not the vast majority showed today they believe Lowe and Wilde are a far better option or lesser evil whichever way you want to look at it than Crouch and his wild and ridiculous claims. Leon do you make a habit of making stupid false prophecies in January with regard to Saints?

 

Well dane all, shows over and lets get back to supporting this club even though some of you will no doubt be gutted we didn't get stuffed 5-0 as per some posters sentiments - Charlie Wayman's among others. Your time for protest should have been last May and now like Crouch you are just a bunch of bitter after timers.

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Exactly right Manji, and even if it was a 1,000 as claimed by the walkers (marchers implies some kind of glory so lets not use that) it was still less than 7.5% of the total number of Saints fans at the game today less the Swans. 7.5% made their point, well done but you remain in the minority, a tiny one at that, if you believe the BBC reports of 'several hundred'. You are oppose those who simply want to support the team and accept that given what Lowe and Wilde have inherited we should be pleased to still to be in touch with plan A - survival. Certainly no worse off than after 44 games last season any way.

 

Did anyone hear about the spoilt Charlton fans protesting today or Watford fans. Did Leicester fans walk away from their club and desert Mandaric when he took them down. Why? A lack of prejudice whipped up by a poisoned and demented few, perhaps?

 

I find it very amusing that considering some of the so called older, wiser and passionate fans that it took the guile of a 16 year old lad so the gutless with their petty and personal agendas could latch on to this lad's enterprise. Well done Connor and I mean that sincerely at least you had the courage and the guts to get off your backside and do something about it instead of moaning and groaning and dishing out the verbal abuse to anyone with a different view. If I was Rupert Lowe I would bring you into the fold and offer you a role at the club, your enterprise should be rewarded and your energy channelled more productively to help the club develop.

 

So what did the walk achieve? Does anyone know? Yesterday was National Gorilla Suit Day, it looks like it the walk could have been in recognition of that fact although most of you left your suits at home although a fair few had them on judging by the pictures. Do you have plan now? At least you have a 1.5% larger minority than the shareholders who decided not to support Lowe at the AGM but unfortunately until you actually get significant support your actions will fall on deaf ears and entrench those you wish to remove. Why? Because whether we like it or not the vast majority showed today they believe Lowe and Wilde are a far better option or lesser evil whichever way you want to look at it than Crouch and his wild and ridiculous claims. Leon do you make a habit of making stupid false prophecies in January with regard to Saints?

 

Well dane all, shows over and lets get back to supporting this club even though some of you will no doubt be gutted we didn't get stuffed 5-0 as per some posters sentiments - Charlie Wayman's among others. Your time for protest should have been last May and now like Crouch you are just a bunch of bitter after timers.

 

 

 

Well here we are on the eve of the big march and looking at the Saints forum tonight, home of the most fanatical section of our supporters we have only 45% of those who voted saying they will attend. A total of 204 fans many of whom would have voted without being able to come along I suspect either through 'work commitments', location or to simply up the ante. I suspect 200 will be about the total made up of genuine fans, youths spoiling for a fight and then the figureheads whose reasons for supporting the demonstration are more to do with their own personal agendas and grievances against Lowe than whether he is the best man to take the club forward or not.

 

Despite everyone's best intentions, peaceful demonstrations to some 'football fans' are an anathema and I genuinely fear for the safety of those who feel happy taking their children on this march having witnessed some of the unsavoury scenes at the Doncaster game and having since identifed and been surprised by some of those involved. I hope it remains peaceful but I suspect judging by some of the comments on this thread fights will undoubtedly break out as some of the more rabid anti-lowe factions and those not even interested in our predictament revert to aggression and violence instead of words.

 

What's really sad this will surely have a negative impact on the players before they even get to the ground and with fans wishing they are defeated just so they can make their demonstration even more 'laudable' then you surely have to question what is the real purpose of this demonstration. Makes you wonder what Killer makes of it all, a Lowe appointment and therefore one that the demonstrators will want removed glancing through some of the more ridiculous posts and its these posts that are worrying and suggest a few idiots will be in tow so watch yourselves.

 

The last time Lowe was removed the fans were able to get behind an alternative campagn but this time its Lowe out, Wilde out and then what? Crouch? All I can say is don't believe his own hype and whilst he talked a good game, Crouch didn't have the courage to back his own convictions as his main priority as always was to curry favour with the fans or sit back and wait or say I told you so. That's an easy game to play and most of us footie fans play it very well.

 

So we will have 200 fanatics trying to cajole and rile the vast majority of fans in the ground. Those fans who make up the middle ground who prefer to support and identify with the plight the club or remain simply conscientious objectors perhaps to both sids of the argument. I trust that when the majority ask the minority to sit down so they can enjoy the game we don't see alledgedly grown and considered respectable men becoming aggressive with women and children or families or any fan objecting to their aggression. Remember there are two sides to the argument and those who wish not to take part also have their rights so please respect them. That did not happen at the Doncaster game and I am concerned about tomorrows events and more so about the impact on the game. If we go a goal down and it all kicks off you the demonstrators will be playing a major part in our downfall along with you nemesis and that is not clever in any General's book.

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Exactly right Manji, and even if it was a 1,000 as claimed by the walkers (marchers implies some kind of glory so lets not use that) it was still less than 7.5% of the total number of Saints fans at the game today less the Swans. 7.5% made their point, well done but you remain in the minority, a tiny one at that, if you believe the BBC reports of 'several hundred'. You are oppose those who simply want to support the team and accept that given what Lowe and Wilde have inherited we should be pleased to still to be in touch with plan A - survival. Certainly no worse off than after 44 games last season any way.

 

Did anyone hear about the spoilt Charlton fans protesting today or Watford fans. Did Leicester fans walk away from their club and desert Mandaric when he took them down. Why? A lack of prejudice whipped up by a poisoned and demented few, perhaps?

 

I find it very amusing that considering some of the so called older, wiser and passionate fans that it took the guile of a 16 year old lad so the gutless with their petty and personal agendas could latch on to this lad's enterprise. Well done Connor and I mean that sincerely at least you had the courage and the guts to get off your backside and do something about it instead of moaning and groaning and dishing out the verbal abuse to anyone with a different view. If I was Rupert Lowe I would bring you into the fold and offer you a role at the club, your enterprise should be rewarded and your energy channelled more productively to help the club develop.

 

So what did the walk achieve? Does anyone know? Yesterday was National Gorilla Suit Day, it looks like it the walk could have been in recognition of that fact although most of you left your suits at home although a fair few had them on judging by the pictures. Do you have plan now? At least you have a 1.5% larger minority than the shareholders who decided not to support Lowe at the AGM but unfortunately until you actually get significant support your actions will fall on deaf ears and entrench those you wish to remove. Why? Because whether we like it or not the vast majority showed today they believe Lowe and Wilde are a far better option or lesser evil whichever way you want to look at it than Crouch and his wild and ridiculous claims. Leon do you make a habit of making stupid false prophecies in January with regard to Saints?

 

Well dane all, shows over and lets get back to supporting this club even though some of you will no doubt be gutted we didn't get stuffed 5-0 as per some posters sentiments - Charlie Wayman's among others. Your time for protest should have been last May and now like Crouch you are just a bunch of bitter after timers.

 

Did you misread the thread title? It says pictures of todays protests! Not spout off about the ''minority'' and ruin the thread completely. If you would like to discuss these subjects feel free to do so, elsewhere!

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the march and the numbers that turned up far exceeded my expectations. The police had to close all roads in and around St Marys and I wonder when there was such a large scale protest in the streets of Southampton. Great humour, lots of kids and a protest brilliantly made and organised. (Thanks for my Rupert badge btw only 250 printed so it will be valuable soon.)

 

I think the demo helped frustrations because during the game the support was superb.

 

Today I was proud to be a Saints fan - reading this thread has been great (except Manji).

 

Well done Duncan, pity it took a 16 year old to organise a demo when you and your little band of 6 (Frank excepted) couldn't achieve what you triumphantly set out do last season. You met Wilde and disappeared crying over your spilt milk presumably not liking what you heard and left Frank to take the flak, at least that is what I am told. I'm sorry Duncan but you come across as a touch pathetic. You masquerade as a wonderful, romantic and old - fashioned fan but this my friend is just a personal vendetta against a man who probably on a bad day at the office called you an ar5ehole a few times. Get over it and accept that sometimes even Lowe makes the right call, judged on your singular line of questioning at the AGM. Always finger pointing Duncan but never challenging or thought provoking questions making it easy for the board to dismiss your 'sentiments' in my very humble opinion.

 

So the walk helped YOUR frustrations but what else did it achieve? Nothing because for all Connor's efforts no one helped him come up with an alternative solution, which should be of no surprise as you alledgedly couldn't finish what you started last time when it got tough last season. Enjoy your badge, treasure it, might be worth the price of a share next season. Well done though glad you got something to show for it and you managed to arrange all those family commitments that none of the rest of us ever have to do to support our beloved Saints.

 

In the meantime your romantic bullsh1t isn't working and you are IMO hiding your bitter and twisted glee behind all this 'made me proud to be a Saint' guff, surely that should be a given on any day of any week, month or year regardless. Be a man Duncan don't give in to hating.

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