Wilde

[SaintRobbie]

But Boards don't get sacked, it is the lower orders who get kicked out. JP was the manager of choice and JP didn't work out. Another choice has been made and for all our sakes we can only hope that this will turn out better.

 

To be fair to Lowe not all of his choices have been awful, but they can only be judged in hindsight. We are no different to any other club in that respect. Take a look at Charlton, a decilne quicker than ours. Who goes there? The manager of course, not the board.

 

Not true. Chairman of boards are almost always sacked when their shares fall as dramatically as they have under Lowe's chairmanship. If you're rubbish you are sent packing at every level.

 

I dont think all of Lowe's choices have been awful either... .just around 70% of them.

 

But, Wilde's decision to back Lowe I'm afraid was crass at best, sinister or plain and simply TOTALLY FOOLHARDY.

 

...and he wonders why a thousand odd people are marching on the stadium today!

[OldNick]

There is one simple reply that blows this claim right out of the water.

 

I very much doubt that anyone else would have sacked Pearson and appointed Jan Poortvliet as his replacement.

 

That reckless, ill judged and ego driven act (on a par with the appointment of Wigley) is the single most defining factor in where we find ourselves today.

 

Many decisions may have been restricted by the financial position we find ourselves in, but there can be no excusing such an appalling decision and therefore the subsequent decsions such as the transfers, tactics, "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" etc that were all driven by such a misguided act.

Um you know my position on Jan and RL's ,mistake not ridding us of him earlier.NP may have done a better job,we will never know for sure.You and i have no access to detailed accounts of costs and where the money is being lost and so we are judgeing without knowing many of the full facts that have brought us to this position.

NP would have been a better option from where we are standing and I do appreciate all the other factors, but without the facts we can only guess.the same goes for the banks, we as a nation dont know what is stored up until they come clean and tell us their toxic debt.

Perhaps it is best we know neither.

[saintjay77]

These are???????

 

Um!!!!!!........let's think!!!!

 

Hates Crouch......................is that compelling?

Wanting to protect his interest.......but Crouch was onside with the Bank!!

 

A Squaddie in Afganistan is courageous.........not some turncoat buisness man, who has dashed thousands of peoples dreams........get real.

 

Hates Crouch? When has that been said? Its well known he cant stand Rupes so why team up with Rupes to get rid of Crouch?

 

FWIW the Bank told my mate that they supported him through this recesion and as long as he keeps trying to clear the arrears on his mortage then he had there support. 1 week later a repo order came through.

 

Rupes and Wilde believed that the company was not safe or capable of avoiding administration so took action. We will never know if Crouch could have kept us out of admin but the accounts didnt look too healthy at times when we could all see costs needed to be cut.

 

Your right about couragousness though.

[saintjay77]

Not true. Chairman of boards are almost always sacked when their shares fall as dramatically as they have under Lowe's chairmanship. If you're rubbish you are sent packing at every level.

 

I dont think all of Lowe's choices have been awful either... .just around 70% of them.

 

But, Wilde's decision to back Lowe I'm afraid was crass at best, sinister or plain and simply TOTALLY FOOLHARDY.

 

...and he wonders why a thousand odd people are marching on the stadium today!

 

But Lowe was booted out before, not because of the share price but because of relegation and a mob grew big enough to blindly support anyone else. By the time Lowe returned the shareprice had taken a massive hit so you could say the club as a whole is at fault. still cant blame it on 1 man when the other men involved had a chance to right things and we still went down hill. He is almost in a no lose situation when looking at the facts. IMO he should have been left at the top until he either got us back up or had no-where else to run. If he could have been blamed whole heartedly for everything that has gone wrong he would have left with his tail between his legs and his reputation would have spread to anything else he is involved in and paid severly.

 

now he looks around with his ***ty nose in the air thinking everything is someone elses fault and to be fair allot of things can be at least spread between many people.

[um pahars]

Um you know my position on Jan and RL's ,mistake not ridding us of him earlier.NP may have done a better job,we will never know for sure.You and i have no access to detailed accounts of costs and where the money is being lost and so we are judgeing without knowing many of the full facts that have brought us to this position.

NP would have been a better option from where we are standing and I do appreciate all the other factors, but without the facts we can only guess.the same goes for the banks, we as a nation dont know what is stored up until they come clean and tell us their toxic debt.

Perhaps it is best we know neither.

 

If you think it was a mistake not ridding us of him earlier, then surely that makes the original appointment a fcking terrible mistake.

 

It sounds like you're having a pop at him for wasting 2 or 3 games, when the real damage was done in the preceeding 25 matches!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Whether Pearson would have done better or worse is entirely hypothetical, but let's not divert attention away from the dire decision Lowe and co did make, a decision which I fear we may not recover in time this season.

 

Installing Poortvliet was a terrible, terrible decision and no amount of trying to justify it, passing the blame or saying circumstances may have dictated it can alter that fact.

 

Getting back to the start of this thread, for Wilde to suggest no one else could have done anything differently is disengenuous at best, because all you have to do is say:

 

NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE APPOINTED POORTVLIET

[Seaford Saint]

Um you know my position on Jan and RL's ,mistake not ridding us of him earlier.NP may have done a better job,we will never know for sure.You and i have no access to detailed accounts of costs and where the money is being lost and so we are judgeing without knowing many of the full facts that have brought us to this position.

NP would have been a better option from where we are standing and I do appreciate all the other factors, but without the facts we can only guess.the same goes for the banks, we as a nation dont know what is stored up until they come clean and tell us their toxic debt.

Perhaps it is best we know neither.

 

 

Exactly how would Pearson have done a WORSE job.. Go and look at the table. Dear oh dear I am amazed that you can't see UM is correct. The Dutch decision was Lowe's and was an unnecessary gamble. From what I have read Portvliet was contacted by Lowe months before the end of the season. From Pearson I learned that he was never asked about continuing in the job. There was never a comparison between the two of them. Lowe was clear in his mind abbout the direction he took the club's management

[Gingeletiss]

FFS, this is football, not warfare. Within the environment we are discussing, yes it was courageous. I suspect you would not have the guts to make those type of decisions.

 

 

How dare you even infer there is some sort of correlation between the trite crap we all spout on here and lives given. I suggest it's you that needs a dose of reality.

 

Oh, and whilst Crouch says he was onside with the Bank, he says a lot of things that turn out not to be quite what they seem.

 

For the record, I'd quite happily see the back of the lot of them. I don't support any of them, but as I don't have the funds change it, I'll just have to grin and bear it. I'd prefer not to join in character assasinations without knowledge of the facts.

 

Lol......what a hypocrite. Quote 'I'd prefer not to join in character assasinations without knowledge of the facts.'...then you say previously quote 'I suspect you would not have the guts to make those type of decisions.'. How do you know this, for the record, yu would be wrong.

 

As for 'trite crap'...I'll go along with you on that;)

[Gingeletiss]

I don't knof if your remember Frannie Lee? Great player for Man City. Ended up running the club and was a disaster.

 

I don't believe tht Rupert Lowe goes to work every day and thinks, what can I do to bring anguish and pain to the SFC fraternity. He has the balls to make tough decsions, whether they are right or wrong, that is for people to debate.

 

Where I work right now we have a hated boss. Sadly for him he cam in at a time where we have had £500,000 slashed from our budget every year for the next 3 years. He cannot replace staff when they leave and the workload is piling up on thoe who are left. He too is quite arrogant and self opinionated, but he too has his hands tied by financial constraints.

 

Got promo;)ted I see

[Faz]

Oh the irony;)

 

Ah yes, how close to being taken over by one of the richest men in the world were we then?

[sadoldgit]

Exactly how would Pearson have done a WORSE job.. Go and look at the table. Dear oh dear I am amazed that you can't see UM is correct. The Dutch decision was Lowe's and was an unnecessary gamble. From what I have read Portvliet was contacted by Lowe months before the end of the season. From Pearson I learned that he was never asked about continuing in the job. There was never a comparison between the two of them. Lowe was clear in his mind abbout the direction he took the club's management

 

Let us not let Pearson's record at Leiceter blind us. Fair play to the bloke he is doing well in the 3rd tier. But he hardly set the world alight at SFC did he? If he had he would have presented Lowe with a harder choice. Of course, in hindsight, we can all see that he probably would have done a better job than JP, but at the time, with money being tight, a choice was made for a three year plan that was more cost effective (at that time).

 

Pearson is not here any more, nor is Strachan or Hoddle. Time to move on.

[Faz]

Lol......what a hypocrite. Quote 'I'd prefer not to join in character assasinations without knowledge of the facts.'...then you say previously quote 'I suspect you would not have the guts to make those type of decisions.'. How do you know this, for the record, yu would be wrong.

 

As for 'trite crap'...I'll go along with you on that;)

 

Hardly hypocritical is it when in one post you castigate Wilde for the decisions he makes, and then say you would be prepared to take those same decisions. But hey-ho, enjoy your march.

[Thedelldays]

Believe they are doing, and actually doing the best for the club, are two entirely different propositions.

 

I'm sure Lowe believed going for the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" was indeed the best for the Club, but inreality in turned out to be a spectacular disaster.

 

One word for those thinking Lowe is actually doing the best for the Club:

 

Jan Poortvliet

spectacular disaster...

 

hmm

 

we are one place below where pearson (your fav) finished..

 

no doubt you will quote points per game ratio etc..but the facts say that we are one whole place below what the amzingly brilliant nigel pearson achieved with better players

[N/West Saint]

Where was Wilde at the AGM?

 

Where was Wilde with 15 minutes to go against Donny?

 

Actions speak louder than words.

 

 

And where will he be today?

[sadoldgit]

And where will he be today?

 

Perhaps he was in the Boardroom replacing Lawrie's picture with their one of the train???

[Seaford Saint]

Let us not let Pearson's record at Leiceter blind us. Fair play to the bloke he is doing well in the 3rd tier. But he hardly set the world alight at SFC did he? If he had he would have presented Lowe with a harder choice. Of course, in hindsight, we can all see that he probably would have done a better job than JP, but at the time, with money being tight, a choice was made for a three year plan that was more cost effective (at that time).

 

Pearson is not here any more, nor is Strachan or Hoddle. Time to move on.

 

 

Its time to move on but without the likes of Lowe making such decisions.

[paulsfc]

spectacular disaster...

 

hmm

 

we are one place below where pearson (your fav) finished..

 

no doubt you will quote points per game ratio etc..but the facts say that we are one whole place below what the amzingly brilliant nigel pearson achieved with better players

 

Er...aren't we 3 places worse off than where Pearson finished? Seem to recall finishing 5th from bottom not 3rd from bottom.

 

I agree we will never know what pearson whoud've achieved at Saints but he deserved a chance. He had a large chunk of supporters behind him and Lowe didn't give a monkeys. Instead he (& Wilde) chose a guy who was utterly out of his depth and forced his hand into playing the kids.

 

How anyone can justify that as being in the best interests of the club is beyond me.

 

The fact Wilde has the nerve to come out and defend what has happened shows how delussional he (and probably the rest of the board) are.

 

The football club is 2nd bottom of the 2nd tier of English football. The PLC may well be performing marginally better so maybe he shoud've said he has the best interests of the PLC and the shareholders at heart not the football club as they are 2 different things in my opinion

[N/West Saint]

Let us not let Pearson's record at Leiceter blind us. Fair play to the bloke he is doing well in the 3rd tier. But he hardly set the world alight at SFC did he? If he had he would have presented Lowe with a harder choice. Of course, in hindsight, we can all see that he probably would have done a better job than JP, but at the time, with money being tight, a choice was made for a three year plan that was more cost effective (at that time).

 

Pearson is not here any more, nor is Strachan or Hoddle. Time to move on.

 

Yes but if we had Pearson at the start of a season maybe we would be higher. IMO

[sadoldgit]

Its time to move on but without the likes of Lowe making such decisions.

 

Well there is nothing you or I can do about that. He will not be here forever and at some point we will have another CEO to slag off.

[sadoldgit]

Yes but if we had Pearson at the start of a season maybe we would be higher. IMO

 

We couldn't be much lower could we? But if we guarantee safety before the end of the season this year that would be a step forward would it not? Albeit not a huge one!

[benjii]

Frankly, who cares what his motives are?

 

The simple fact is that if he is acting in what he genuinely believes to be the best interests of the club that is scant consolation and he is evidently utterly inept.

 

I would rather have a malignant achiever than a well-intentioned fool.

 

Unfortunately we seem to have two deluded fools at the moment.

[alpine_saint]

Where was Wilde at the AGM?

 

Where was Wilde with 15 minutes to go against Donny?

 

Actions speak louder than words.

 

Yep. A man that the club and fans can really rely upon in times of hardsip and need............

[alpine_saint]

Let us not let Pearson's record at Leiceter blind us. Fair play to the bloke he is doing well in the 3rd tier. But he hardly set the world alight at SFC did he? If he had he would have presented Lowe with a harder choice. Of course, in hindsight, we can all see that he probably would have done a better job than JP, but at the time, with money being tight, a choice was made for a three year plan that was more cost effective (at that time).

 

Pearson is not here any more, nor is Strachan or Hoddle. Time to move on.

 

Yep. Let's not scrutinize someones persistently bad decision-making record, let's leave 'em in charge unquestioned and unchalleneged.

[Snowballs2]

Along with Lowe..wilde's credability is so bad that there is no long term future at SMS for him no matter how much he might want one.

The supporters will ultimately get their wish and the pair will be gone forever.

[yorkie]

I think we are all missing the point with Pearson.

 

He did his best to get us out of a rut. Got the players playing and saved our bacon. He also became a firm fans favourite because he got the team playing with passion (except in Hull). He was a young man, he had affinity with the young lads and the older fans (like me). He may not have set the world on fire but the squad were lazy, unfit and not interested.

 

I think a pre-season with him at the helm, and a mixture of youth and experience we would have been in a much healthier position.

 

For one the fans would have been united, and all this Lowe business would have been never an issue. Infact you have to date he has been remarkably quiet since his return - just how we like it.

 

Just remember it's the fans that dictate the clubs fortunes. The club needs a united fan base because that generates more income. Saints fans are a patient lot - if they believe in a Manager he will get a chance. Poor old Portvleit didn't stand a chance. For a start there is no easy way to chant "Jan Portvleit's red & white army" - however Nigel Pearson's red and white army slipped off the tongue - reason enough for him to be Manager.

 

However look at our record on Managers - we are the most unsettled club in all the league - 11-Managers in 12-years? However we have only had one Chairman - say's it all really. Wilde doesn't count because he has no real say - Lowe is the man in charge for whatever reason.

 

Up the people - let's get it on at The Bargate at 1.30pm and show the world what being a Saints fan is all about.

[Gordon Mockles]

If Wilde really thinks that nobody else could have done a better job he is delusional. I struggle to think how anyone could have done a worse job this season.

 

Saint Chairmen in delusional SHOCKER! As you say, I don't think anyone could have actually run the club any worse, even if they tried. Two absolute wasters who have ruined our club yet cannot see the wood for the trees! Let's hope there are no lumberjacks on the way...

[offix]

Either Ru**rt's mental disease is contagious and the Quisling caught it, OR Ru**rt made him undergo a lobotomy!

There is no other explanation for Quisling really believing he has been (and is) acting in the best interest of the club.

[ottery st mary]

The man, with his mate Rupert, has ruined this club and he makes stupid statements to compound his lack of a brain. PUPPET on a string matey.

[alpine_saint]

So, do we know if The Quisling turned up today ??

 

If he didnt, and if Swansea score again, I hope the fans surrounding the Directors Box turn on Askham and Withers.