Wilde

[harvey]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4090293.Wilde__I_act_in_Saints__best_interests/

[Katalinic]

If Wilde really thinks that nobody else could have done a better job he is delusional. I struggle to think how anyone could have done a worse job this season.

[alpine_saint]

If Wilde really thinks that nobody else could have done a better job he is delusional. I struggle to think how anyone could have done a worse job this season.

 

Yep. I sense a rising panic in him about turning up this afternoon.....

[harvey]

If Wilde really thinks that nobody else could have done a better job he is delusional. I struggle to think how anyone could have done a worse job this season.

 

That's what I thought, maybe he needs help?..................I dunno :smt102

[Wes Tender]

What a pity that the Echo weren't able to press him further on his claims that nobody could have done any better. They could for example have acknowledged that because of the poor financial position the clubs hands were tied, but his opinion could have been sought as to whether that situation precluded any other action than appointing two unknown (over here) Dutchmen from their lower divisions with nil experience of British football at this level.

 

It would have been interesting to have heard his opinion on it, whether he supported it and whether in retrospect he thought it was still a good idea.

[skintsaint]

A message To Rupert Lowe!!

A turkey was having a chat with a bull.

The turkey wanted to sit up on the highest branch of a tree,but didn't have the energy to do it.

The bull said, try eating some of my dung, it's full of nutrients and will give you energy.

The turkey nibbled a bit, and to his amazement managed to get onto the first branch.

The next day he ate a bit more and got up to the second branch.

After that he ate all he could get and behold he got to the top of the tree.

A farmer passing by shot the turkey out of the tree.

 

The moral of the story is...

BULL**** CAN GET YOU TO THE TOP, BUT IT CANT KEEP YOU THERE.!!!

 

 

haha I liked that comment

[John B]

I think he does have the best interests of the club at heart

 

He ousted Lowe

 

He tried to get us promoted and we got to Play Offs.

 

 

He saw the club under Crouch sliding into administration so he got back Lowe to carry out the unpopular task of cost cutting.

 

Knowing how unpopular was it was a courageous decision to bring Lowe back but obviously he thought the club was in a very bad state

Edited 31 January, 2009 by John B

[um pahars]

There is one simple reply that blows this claim right out of the water.

 

I very much doubt that anyone else would have sacked Pearson and appointed Jan Poortvliet as his replacement.

 

That reckless, ill judged and ego driven act (on a par with the appointment of Wigley) is the single most defining factor in where we find ourselves today.

 

Many decisions may have been restricted by the financial position we find ourselves in, but there can be no excusing such an appalling decision and therefore the subsequent decsions such as the transfers, tactics, "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" etc that were all driven by such a misguided act.

[chocco boxo]

There is one simple reply that blows this claim right out of the water.

 

I very much doubt that anyone else would have sacked Pearson and appointed Jan Poortvliet as his replacement.

 

That reckless, ill judged and ego driven act (on a par with the appointment of Wigley) is the single most defining factor in where we find ourselves today.

 

Many decisions may have been restricted by the financial position we find ourselves in, but there can be no excusing such an appalling decision and therefore the subsequent decsions such as the transfers, tactics, "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" etc that were all driven by such a misguided act.

 

Well said , that is why we are going down!

[Faz]

There is one simple reply that blows this claim right out of the water.

 

I very much doubt that anyone else would have sacked Pearson and appointed Jan Poortvliet as his replacement.

 

That reckless, ill judged and ego driven act (on a par with the appointment of Wigley) is the single most defining factor in where we find ourselves today.

 

Many decisions may have been restricted by the financial position we find ourselves in, but there can be no excusing such an appalling decision and therefore the subsequent decsions such as the transfers, tactics, "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" etc that were all driven by such a misguided act.

 

Who sacked Pearson?

[saint_bert]

I think he does have the best interests of the club at heart

 

He ousted Lowe

 

He tried to get us promoted and we got to Play Offs.

 

 

He saw the club under Crouch sliding into administration so he got back Lowe to carry out the unpopular task of cost cutting.

 

Knowing how unpopular was it was a courageous decision to bring Lowe back but obviously he thought the club was in a very bad state

 

the bloke does not have a courageous bone in his body!

[Faz]

the bloke does not have a courageous bone in his body!

 

Really? He was courageous enough to buy 18% of the club. I suspect it took a lot more courage to get back with Lowe (for what must have been pretty compelling reasons), and in the sure and certain knowledge of the opprobrium that would follow, than you or I will ever have.

[um pahars]

Who sacked Pearson?

 

The same people/person who didn't sack Poortvliet:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

(activated break clause, did not take up the option, resigned, mutual agreement, jumped ship - you call them want you want if it makes you happy;)).

[Snowballs2]

Just confirms that the guy is a real shyster in my opinion. Cowardly in his dealings with SFC

[fred kemp]

agree, it was clearly a personal decision because crouch appointed him, not sure leon would have done it, in opposite circumstances, but you never know.

so we find ourselves in the mire through point scoring against each other.

we clearly need fresh blood (not spilt blood)

[Mole]

“always act in the best interests of the club”

 

I don't believe this at all. Under Crouch and Pearson we were a united club and fans were optimistic, Mike Wilde destroyed that.

[aintforever]

How the hell can he still think sacking Pearson and carrying out this Dutch experiment was the right thing to do?

 

Pearson is miles clear at the top of League 1 and we are into our second manager 3 points adrift from safety. The guy is just full of crap, I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.

[VectisSaint]

I think he does have the best interests of the club at heart

 

He ousted Lowe

 

He tried to get us promoted and we got to Play Offs.

 

 

He saw the club under Crouch sliding into administration so he got back Lowe to carry out the unpopular task of cost cutting.

 

Knowing how unpopular was it was a courageous decision to bring Lowe back but obviously he thought the club was in a very bad state

Funny that there is a gap in your statement after Play Offs, would that be the bit where he saw the execs that he appointed driving the club towards administration?

Selective memory is a wonderful gift.

[aintforever]

Funny that there is a gap in your statement after Play Offs, would that be the bit where he saw the execs that he appointed driving the club towards administration?

Selective memory is a wonderful gift.

 

Also the bit where he walked out on the club leaving the execs in full control.

[Mole]

I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.

 

I don't think either "side" trusts him. Wilde unites the fans in that respect.

[John B]

Funny that there is a gap in your statement after Play Offs, would that be the bit where he saw the execs that he appointed driving the club towards administration?

Selective memory is a wonderful gift.

 

I am not saying the bloke is competant or trustworthy but does have the interests of the club at heart.

 

Why would he invest money in ousting Lowe

 

His priority was to get in some investment (which did not happen) because that is the only way the club will prosper in the future.

Edited 31 January, 2009 by John B

[Weston Saint]

Wilde lost the trust of those who supported him, affirmed the lack of trust some had of him when he first appeared on the scene. Those who were not sure have no doubt fallen into the non trust camp.

 

Yes he appears universally mistrusted by supporters.

[70's Mike]

The same people/person who didn't sack Poortvliet:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

(activated break clause, did not take up the option, resigned, mutual agreement, jumped ship - you call them want you want if it makes you happy;)).

 

 

No reply from the orginal poster i see

[Saint Fan CaM]

Of one thing is certain - Wilde is no friend of SFC. He is the largest shareholder - that's it. To the best of my knowledge he has invested no personal money into the club and is not much better than a freeloader who is still hanging around waiting for a change of fortunes in his share value. And due to his re-instatement of Lowe, he has single-handedly managed to set the scene for our relegation to L1 and for that he is beyond contempt.

 

And before any luvvies try to turn history around, Leon was on the case with finances - he had Pearson pulling the club together, higher gate receipts and the team starting to win games. He knew it was going to be tough and it took a little while to sort things out, but it was slowly turning around. He has put personal money into the club over many years - e.g. sponsorships, statue - even though he is not the largest shareholder. I could go on.

 

WILDE OUT - LOWE OUT. COME ON YOU SAINTS!

[Mole]

Where was Wilde at the AGM?

 

Where was Wilde with 15 minutes to go against Donny?

 

Actions speak louder than words.

[sadoldgit]

Starting to win games? 3 in 13?

By all accounts Mr Crouch was dithering over who to support up to the last minute because he wasn't sure that Wilde had the cash. He threw his cards in with Wilde who evidently did not have the cash so no great decision there.

 

As for Wilde, I am sure he came in with good intentions but probably should have stuck to his Evolution not Revolution mantra. The trouble with revolutions is that they often end up with the originators sidelined and others pulling the strings.

 

The fact that Lowe is back in the hot seat is testement to how successful Wilde and Crouch were between them!!!

[Mole]

Here we go, SOGS about to bore us about Burley.

[Gingeletiss]

Really? He was courageous enough to buy 18% of the club. I suspect it took a lot more courage to get back with Lowe (for what must have been pretty compelling reasons), and in the sure and certain knowledge of the opprobrium that would follow, than you or I will ever have.

 

These are???????

 

Um!!!!!!........let's think!!!!

 

Hates Crouch......................is that compelling?

Wanting to protect his interest.......but Crouch was onside with the Bank!!

 

A Squaddie in Afganistan is courageous.........not some turncoat buisness man, who has dashed thousands of peoples dreams........get real.

[SaintRobbie]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4090293.Wilde__I_act_in_Saints__best_interests/

 

Wilde has Lowe's arrogance incipidly seeping from this article.

 

Sorry Mike, financially I guess you may be right... but if you're telling me Lowe's policy of youth and cloggies has been in the clubs interest you are the foolish one.

 

We couldve have a financially challenging year with men and Pearson. We could have survived. YOU and Lowe chose a stupid experiment he's had in mind for years. YOU and Lowe have killed this club from another level of football and ripped out the pride of many ordinary supporters. YOU have made peoples lives a misery.

 

YOU are a broken man if you're allowing yourself to be Lowe's mouthpiece. YOU are a fool.

[corsacar saint]

Wilde and Lowe are having a private battle to see who can be the most objectionally

delusional.

[sadoldgit]

Before Lowe left the first time there was a train of thought that we needed a fan to run the place. I have no doubt that both Wilde and Crouch have SFC's best interests at heart but I think both prove that fans are not always the best people to take a club forward.

[Mole]

Before Lowe left the first time there was a train of thought that we needed a fan to run the place.

 

Was there? I must have missed that.

[John B]

Before Lowe left the first time there was a train of thought that we needed a fan to run the place. I have no doubt that both Wilde and Crouch have SFC's best interests at heart but I think both prove that fans are not always the best people to take a club forward.

 

Yes Mr Git you are probably correct but as the Club is in Financial meltdown it is very easy to discount things that have happened in the past

[sadoldgit]

Yes Mr Git you are probably correct but as the Club is in Financial meltdown it is very easy to discount things that have happened in the past

 

Wilde rode into town on the populist pony when we needed some to make prudent decisions. Becaue he was a fan and because he wanted to please fans he probably made decisions that, shall we say, were not so prudent.

 

Whoever runs this club needs to try and balance the fans expectations with those of the banks - probably a near impossible task right now and not a job for the faint-hearted.

[SaintRobbie]

Before Lowe left the first time there was a train of thought that we needed a fan to run the place. I have no doubt that both Wilde and Crouch have SFC's best interests at heart but I think both prove that fans are not always the best people to take a club forward.

 

I think it proved the opposite in spades.... non-fans are THE WORST people to take a club forward. Because they only care for themselves. Wilde is not a fan.

 

Lowe/Wilde's Plan B involves, administration, asset stripping and increasing personal control over a football club destined to be a business that revolves around being a feeder club from League 1.

[um pahars]

Whoever runs this club needs to try and balance the fans expectations with those of the banks - probably a near impossible task right now and not a job for the faint-hearted.

 

I have got just one word for you:

 

"Revolutionary Coaching Set Up"

 

And if you want I'll give you another:

 

"Jan Poortvliet";)

 

Timmers, are you out there and awake yet

[Faz]

No reply from the orginal poster i see

 

 

Whilst I bow to your near-on 3000 posts, please forgive breaks in transmission as I have a life ouside the internet.

 

He wasn't sacked.

[eelpie]

I think it proved the opposite in spades.... non-fans are THE WORST people to take a club forward. Because they only care for themselves. Wilde is not a fan.

 

Lowe/Wilde's Plan B involves, administration, asset stripping and increasing personal control over a football club destined to be a business that revolves around being a feeder club from League 1.

 

Frightening.

[sadoldgit]

I think it proved the opposite in spades.... non-fans are THE WORST people to take a club forward. Because they only care for themselves. Wilde is not a fan.

 

Lowe/Wilde's Plan B involves, administration, asset stripping and increasing personal control over a football club destined to be a business that revolves around being a feeder club from League 1.

 

These people might well care about themselves (and who doesn't if thruth be know?) but I do think that they believe that they are doing the best for the club. If Lowe was going to asset strip wouldn't he have done it long ago?

[SaintRobbie]

These people might well care about themselves (and who doesn't if thruth be know?) but I do think that they believe that they are doing the best for the club. If Lowe was going to asset strip wouldn't he have done it long ago?

 

No - because he couldnt.

 

He cares about SLH plc ... he has never understood the basic principle that running a football club, and all of the joys and misery that it inflicts on thousands of supports, does not require a man at the helm who thinks about himself first.

 

SOUTHAMPTON Football Club is about exactly that - it represents the people and pride of Southampton. The 'Spirit of Southampton' as many have been recently refering to. The spirit that will see a few thousand today marching against these individuals. These are intangibles.... but so imprtant.

 

So I'm afraid I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I see no evidence of Lowe and Wilde acting in SOUTHAMPTON's interest. They bring selfishness and pain...

 

and what's more have never said they'll sell and go.

 

Rant over

[70's Mike]

Whilst I bow to your near-on 3000 posts, please forgive breaks in transmission as I have a life ouside the internet.

 

He wasn't sacked.

 

splitting hairs as Um SAID IN HIS ORIGINAL POST

[um pahars]

I do think that they believe that they are doing the best for the club.

 

Believe they are doing, and actually doing the best for the club, are two entirely different propositions.

 

I'm sure Lowe believed going for the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" was indeed the best for the Club, but inreality in turned out to be a spectacular disaster.

 

One word for those thinking Lowe is actually doing the best for the Club:

 

Jan Poortvliet

[Faz]

These are???????

 

Um!!!!!!........let's think!!!!

 

Hates Crouch......................is that compelling?

Wanting to protect his interest.......but Crouch was onside with the Bank!!

 

A Squaddie in Afganistan is courageous.........not some turncoat buisness man, who has dashed thousands of peoples dreams........get real.

 

 

FFS, this is football, not warfare. Within the environment we are discussing, yes it was courageous. I suspect you would not have the guts to make those type of decisions.

 

 

How dare you even infer there is some sort of correlation between the trite crap we all spout on here and lives given. I suggest it's you that needs a dose of reality.

 

Oh, and whilst Crouch says he was onside with the Bank, he says a lot of things that turn out not to be quite what they seem.

 

For the record, I'd quite happily see the back of the lot of them. I don't support any of them, but as I don't have the funds change it, I'll just have to grin and bear it. I'd prefer not to join in character assasinations without knowledge of the facts.

[derry]

Never mind the spin, let his record speak for itself.

 

Namely, brought in Hone etc. Promised investment-didn't happen,

 

Resigned allowing the execs to vote Crouch etc off the board, how stupid and incompetent was that?

 

Resulted in overspending and compensation payments. So who is at fault?

 

Lowe for the long term stagnation and detrioration, Wilde for most of the rest.

[um pahars]

Oh, and whilst Crouch says he was onside with the Bank, he says a lot of things that turn out not to be quite what they seem.

 

I'd prefer not to join in character assasinations without knowledge of the facts.

 

Oh the irony;)

[SaintRobbie]

Faz. There is a close line sometimes between courageous and foolhardy decision-making.

 

On current evidence the latter would seem to be being borne out.

 

Here's some facts for you:

 

16 Plymouth 28 5 3 6 18 17 4 3 7 9 16 -6 33

17 Nottm Forest 29 4 5 6 14 17 4 4 6 18 22 -7 33

18 Barnsley 29 6 3 6 19 15 3 2 9 10 24 -10 32

19 Norwich 30 6 4 5 27 20 2 3 10 12 26 -7 31

20 Doncaster 29 4 5 5 7 10 4 2 9 14 23 -12 31

21 Watford 29 7 3 5 28 24 1 3 10 13 26 -9 30

 

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22 Derby 28 5 4 5 17 15 2 4 8 11 25 -12 29

23 Southampton 29 1 6 7 10 18 5 3 7 16 26 -18 27

24 Charlton 29 4 4 7 20 27 1 3 10 10 24 -21 22

[sadoldgit]

No - because he couldnt.

 

He cares about SLH plc ... he has never understood the basic principle that running a football club, and all of the joys and misery that it inflicts on thousands of supports, does not require a man at the helm who thinks about himself first.

 

SOUTHAMPTON Football Club is about exactly that - it represents the people and pride of Southampton. The 'Spirit of Southampton' as many have been recently refering to. The spirit that will see a few thousand today marching against these individuals. These are intangibles.... but so imprtant.

 

So I'm afraid I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I see no evidence of Lowe and Wilde acting in SOUTHAMPTON's interest. They bring selfishness and pain...

 

and what's more have never said they'll sell and go.

 

Rant over

 

I don't knof if your remember Frannie Lee? Great player for Man City. Ended up running the club and was a disaster.

 

I don't believe tht Rupert Lowe goes to work every day and thinks, what can I do to bring anguish and pain to the SFC fraternity. He has the balls to make tough decsions, whether they are right or wrong, that is for people to debate.

 

Where I work right now we have a hated boss. Sadly for him he cam in at a time where we have had £500,000 slashed from our budget every year for the next 3 years. He cannot replace staff when they leave and the workload is piling up on thoe who are left. He too is quite arrogant and self opinionated, but he too has his hands tied by financial constraints.

[Mole]

What i find shocking is Mike Wilde expressing himself through the Echo and through Keith Legg and through an alias on TSF, yet not bothering to attend the agm or bothering to unveil a new manger. There's something wrong there.

Edited 31 January, 2009 by Mole

[SaintRobbie]

I don't knof if your remember Frannie Lee? Great player for Man City. Ended up running the club and was a disaster.

 

I don't believe tht Rupert Lowe goes to work every day and thinks, what can I do to bring anguish and pain to the SFC fraternity. He has the balls to make tough decsions, whether they are right or wrong, that is for people to debate.

 

Where I work right now we have a hated boss. Sadly for him he cam in at a time where we have had £500,000 slashed from our budget every year for the next 3 years. He cannot replace staff when they leave and the workload is piling up on thoe who are left. He too is quite arrogant and self opinionated, but he too has his hands tied by financial constraints.

 

Havent we all mate. But, what tends to happen in my job and most others is that when you fail you get sacked. Its to do with CONFIDENCE from employees and business associates et al that you can do your job. Lots of people today are going to openly protest their lack of confidence in the failures that are Wilde and Lowe.

 

Lowe and Wilde have failed, are continuing to fail - and I would be prepare to say - will continue to fail in the future.

 

It's like backing a threelegged race horse to win the Derby because the rewards sound great... but it can't jump over the first fence.

Edited 31 January, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[sadoldgit]

Havent we all mate. But, what tends to happen in my job and most others is that when you fail you get sacked.

 

Lowe and Wilde have failed, are continuing to fail - and I would be prepare to say - will continue to fail.

 

But Boards don't get sacked, it is the lower orders who get kicked out. JP was the manager of choice and JP didn't work out. Another choice has been made and for all our sakes we can only hope that this will turn out better.

 

To be fair to Lowe not all of his choices have been awful, but they can only be judged in hindsight. We are no different to any other club in that respect. Take a look at Charlton, a decilne quicker than ours. Who goes there? The manager of course, not the board.

Edited 31 January, 2009 by sadoldgit