Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[tisspahars]

34 minutes ago, Tom & Gerry said:

Frank Lampard is being muted and I know his record isn't great, but he's the type that does well here. Like Ball, Hoddle and Keoman he would have the respect of the players as an ex top player. Like nearly all our best managers he's had failures at other clubs but I think he could do a good job here.

If talk of Frank Lampard was muted that would be ideal tbh.

[It's There]

Lampard I’d have.

[sambosa75]

Someone tactically flexible.  No point being the Barcelona of the Championship if you are going to be complete horseshit in the Prem because your manager just thinks he’ll replicate the same form and results.

[gurru991]

2 hours ago, leesaint88 said:

I'm still slightly unconvinced by Rohl, for me I wouldn't mind Cooper or even Rosenior.

I don't see Rosenior leaving Strasbourg anytime soon, they have a very good chance of playing Champions league next season. As for Cooper I'm not sure, he was awful at Leicester but  the club itself was & is a mess.

[Tom & Gerry]

5 minutes ago, tisspahars said:

If talk of Frank Lampard was muted that would be ideal tbh.

9/1 equal second favourite according to the Echo.

Alex Crook says the board have noted his impressive work at Coventry but he is focused on their promotion push at present.

[Fabrice29]

Wouldn’t rule Carrick out if he fancies a change of scenery but I’d say most signs point to Rohl.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

GrAhAm PoTtEr!!!? 🤪

[leesaint88]

7 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

I don't see Rosenior leaving Strasbourg anytime soon, they have a very good chance of playing Champions league next season. As for Cooper I'm not sure, he was awful at Leicester but  the club itself was & is a mess.

I can't see Rosenior leaving if they qualify for Europe, if they miss out then there's a slight chance. 

Leicester is going to be an interesting watch next season, what the hell happens there! Does RvN stay or do they part ways? The accounts for last season were pretty awful..

[Midfield_General]

For Lampard's own sake he needs to stick at a job and actually deliver something. He's actually doing well at Coventry - if he can take them from the bottom half of the Championship into the play-offs this season, and then (assuming they don't go up) turn them into challengers for the automatics next season, he'll have earned a chance at a bigger job. If he jumped ship again though, I don't think that would do his reputation any good at all, especially if he then failed to deliver. He's best off where he is at the moment, and he probably knows that too. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Midfield_General

[DellBoys]

My instant reaction was hope that we’d appoint a manager with premier league experience, then I remembered the last we did that and appointed Mark Hughes. 
 

Let’s get Rohl in. 

[miserableoldgit]

"We are appointing a manager who has been sacked twice in a few months", Fans:- 🤬 🤬 "It's Steve Cooper....." Fans:- 😁😁

[Mr X]

It doesn't matter a hoot who we want it's who our genius owners sport republic want!

They probably want Adam Lallana eventually!..... Trying to home grow a cheap manager that's already there 🤦‍♂️

[ally_uk]

You gotta Rohl with it! 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Mr X said:

It doesn't matter a hoot who we want it's who our genius owners sport republic want!

They probably want Adam Lallana eventually!..... Trying to home grow a cheap manager that's already there 🤦‍♂️

Actually it's mostly who Spors wants and he has no track record of failure so far. 

[Midfield_General]

26 minutes ago, DellBoys said:

My instant reaction was hope that we’d appoint a manager with premier league experience, then I remembered the last we did that and appointed Mark Hughes. 
 

Let’s get Rohl in. 

The same Mark Hughes who:

• Finished sixth in the Premier League with Blackburn
• Took Blackburn into the UEFA Cup
• Finished 8th in the Premier League with Man City before the Abu Dhabi money
• Finished 8th in the Premier League with Fulham
• Took Fulham into the Europa League
• Kept QPR in the Premier League
• Finished 9th in the Premier League three seasons running with Stoke
• Came into Saints when we were going down under Pellegrino, averaged a point a game (got 8 points in 8 games), and kept us up

Hughes may be done now, but in terms of his managerial record, we haven't had a manager who gets close to a pedigree like that since Koeman, and even he had never done it in the PL when he came to us. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Midfield_General

[WALK DMC]

2 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

I'm very nervous about Rohl. Is he just the next charlatan fad like Martin?

 

 

This is my worry too. I'd have liked a Manager who has tasted success and demonstrated that they have the ability to get a team promoted. I had the same concern when we recruited Martin, whose CV boasted some mid table finishes in League 1 and the Championship. Swansea fans came on here offering warnings about Martin and his ability to build a team that didn't concede a load of goals - many of those warnings came true, although when Martin ball worked it could be a beautiful thing to watch, unfortunately that couldn't always be delivered consistently during a season (or often in two consecutive halves). 

There is a difference with Rohl; Sheffield Wednesday fans appear to be universal in their opinions and respect for Rohl which gives me some assurance that he may not just be the latest name thrown around when a Championship vacancy appears. I'd be cautiously happy if we were able to recruit Rohl and prepared to give him a chance.  Nice hair too. 

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, Mr X said:

It doesn't matter a hoot who we want it's who our genius owners sport republic want!

They probably want Adam Lallana eventually!..... Trying to home grow a cheap manager that's already there 🤦‍♂️

This is very true. But, think about it, if you owned the club would you employ someone you and your board wanted or who the fans wanted? It is their club. It is their money. They call the shots. As you say, it doesn’t matter a hoot. At some point the next manager will also be deemed as being a clown for losing matches, selecting the wrong team, using the wrong tactics, buying or selling the wrong players etc. Even Koeman faced calls for the sack by some in this forum. The new manager will either be good, bad or indifferent - all three often seen as such by many different fans after every game.

[Turkish]

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Tom & Gerry said:

Frank Lampard is being muted and I know his record isn't great, but he's the type that does well here. Like Ball, Hoddle and Keoman he would have the respect of the players as an ex top player. Like nearly all our best managers he's had failures at other clubs but I think he could do a good job here.

This is just a total fallacy I'm afraid. He may well have achieved a lot as a player, but as a manager he is aloof, distant and doesn't command any respect from his players. And that's what I was told by somebody who played under him at Everton. 

It's a no from me. 

[gurru991]

33 minutes ago, leesaint88 said:

I can't see Rosenior leaving if they qualify for Europe, if they miss out then there's a slight chance. 

Leicester is going to be an interesting watch next season, what the hell happens there! Does RvN stay or do they part ways? The accounts for last season were pretty awful..

Leicester have been a mess for a few years now ! Enzo Maresca papered over the cracks when he got us promoted but our whole structure needs revamping. Whether are owner is prepared to do the dirty work is another question.

[Convict Colony]

A manager who has a couple of systems and not a ideologue.

Then players who can play in those systems who can also develop further with some experience around them in the championship.

Feels like we play this game twice a season at the mo tho so who knows.

Rohl is my fav as I think he has a big upside in potential, I think his current profile is enough to get us promoted but I think there is more to come from him.

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

If Rusk turns this team around then he'd be playing Ramsdale as a lone striker.  That's just silly.

Tall Paul in goal.

 

[Lighthouse]

15 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

The same Mark Hughes who:

• Finished sixth in the Premier League with Blackburn
• Took Blackburn into the UEFA Cup
• Finished 8th in the Premier League with Man City before the Abu Dhabi money
• Finished 8th in the Premier League with Fulham
• Took Fulham into the Europa League
• Kept QPR in the Premier League
• Finished 9th in the Premier League three seasons running with Stoke
• Came into Saints when we were going down under Pellegrino, averaged a point a game (got 8 points in 8 games), and kept us up

Hughes may be done now, but in terms of his managerial record, we haven't had a manager who gets close to a pedigree like that since Koeman, and even he had never done it in the PL when he came to us. 

All that really shows is that appointing a manager based on achievements from ten or more years ago isn’t really the best idea. In much the same way I wouldn’t want Adkins or Koeman back now.

I don’t have a particular candidate in mind as I don’t really watch enough foreign and lower league football. Rohl sort of feels like he’d be a good fit and I’m almost certain he’d want to come here but then I’ve really not seen much of Wednesday to get a glowing endorsement.

[Turkish]

Rohl hasn't failed anywhere so would be an unlikely appointment as we like managers who have failed. 

 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

1 hour ago, It's There said:

Lampard I’d have.

Good grief.

1 good 3/4 season with Coventry.

His only other decent spell was with Derby County where Mel Morris broke every FFP rule in the book signing Premier League players, he had the best squad in the championship by a mile and STILL didn't get promoted.

No thanks.

I'm not sure who I want but whoever it is will take some convincing to come here.

[LeG]

Back when Rohl was at saints, the players absolutely LOVED him. It was Rohl who took most of the training sessions - the players really enjoyed working with him. Tactically he is astute and most notably, unbelievably organised - something we haven't been for years. Ralph knew how good this guy was and Danny was more like a co manager with us then. Although Ralph had a successful spell after DR departed, you could say that was largely down to the players not playing in front of fans every week (Our players have long been mentally fragile in games btw) The players grew tired and "bored" of Ralph's training sessions and eventually lost interest all together. It was mentioned that this was down to a lot of off the ball training and barely any on it. 

Danny is our first choice as manager and I don't think it will be long before he arrives either. 

[Sheaf Saint]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Rohl sort of feels like he’d be a good fit and I’m almost certain he’d want to come here but then I’ve really not seen much of Wednesday to get a glowing endorsement.

I haven't watched any of their games under him, but I know a lot of Wednesday fans and I can tell you that he is held in much higher regard by them than Martin ever was at Swansea. They will be gutted to lose him, but are probably resigned to it, given the perilous financial situation the club is in.

[OldNick]

22 minutes ago, Turkish said:

FFS Turks are you for real. My story from inside the Saints dressing room when he arrived, he came in and handed Pardew his book about coaching. That went straight into the bin in the players dressing room as he walked out lol

[Viking Saint]

2 hours ago, Ken Tone said:

Fwd up with owners and managers who seem to think they've found a magic formula, and are determined to stick with it regardless of the evidence of results.

Football really isn't that complicated,  most players and managers really aren't that bright, and there really isn't any new way of playing that hasn't been tried before.

Just appoint someone who will pick players in their correct position and who will change things  when necessary rather than stick to a fixed idea.

 

Exactly this. A good manager assesses what they've got and implements a style to suit what's available and plays to strengths, especially when you don't have infinite resources to buy exactly what you need to fit 'the system'.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, OldNick said:

FFS Turks are you for real. My story from inside the Saints dressing room when he arrived, he came in and handed Pardew his book about coaching. That went straight into the bin in the players dressing room as he walked out lol

and Pardew failed to get us promoted despite massive investment. Maybe he should have read it.

[adrian lord]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wouldn’t mind Cooper,  at least he won’t get distracted by some fit model trying to pull  him. 
 

Is he gay?

[trousers]

Heart: Koeman 

Head: Rohl

[Wade Garrett]

14 minutes ago, OldNick said:

FFS Turks are you for real. My story from inside the Saints dressing room when he arrived, he came in and handed Pardew his book about coaching. That went straight into the bin in the players dressing room as he walked out lol

I don’t think he’s for real Nick 😉 

[Midfield_General]

31 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

In much the same way I wouldn’t want Adkins or Koeman back now.

Sorry - are you seriously saying you wouldn’t want Ronald Koeman if he wanted to come and manage us in the Championship? 

 

[Saint Matty 76]

24 minutes ago, LeG said:

Back when Rohl was at saints, the players absolutely LOVED him. It was Rohl who took most of the training sessions - the players really enjoyed working with him. Tactically he is astute and most notably, unbelievably organised - something we haven't been for years. Ralph knew how good this guy was and Danny was more like a co manager with us then. Although Ralph had a successful spell after DR departed, you could say that was largely down to the players not playing in front of fans every week (Our players have long been mentally fragile in games btw) The players grew tired and "bored" of Ralph's training sessions and eventually lost interest all together. It was mentioned that this was down to a lot of off the ball training and barely any on it. 

Danny is our first choice as manager and I don't think it will be long before he arrives either. 

Not before the end of this season right? Don't want his reputation to start getting lumbered in with this group of idiots.

Having him in the door right after the season ends would be great though.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Well guys, where do we start:

Early suggestions indicate that Danny Rohl is the favourite. I am very wary of this being the case. He's worked miracles at Sheffield Wednesday with one arm tied behind his back most of the time. He's obviously very well thought of at SW by the fans and was obviously a part of the Ralph Hassenhutl era here previously. He knows and has worked loosely with Johanne Spors too. He appeared to be almost saying goodbye in some of his interviews recently too. This would indicate that a move is on the horizon. It could be a lot of putting two and two together and getting five, but there's a lot of things marring up indicating that this is the route we'll go down.
I'm nervous though as this doesn't scream "stand out" manager or "targeting automatic promotion or title challengers". It's another gamble.
I want a manager that will come in with authority, a backbone, tell SR where they've been a shambles and what support they as a manager need. We cannot have a "yes man", and I'm wary that's all Rohl could end up being.

Liam Rosenior - again linked, but I think this is just a case of he was an EFL manager last season. He's done brilliant at Strasbourg and could achieve European football with them. Wrongly and surprisingly sacked by Hull last season, I'd say he has moved onto better things. I can't see him coming.

Frank Lampard - Did very well at Derby with Chelsea kids on loan, did well at Chelsea I thought whilst they were under a transfer embargo, it all went wrong once they could spends hundreds of millions again and the squad became unbalanced; and now doing well at Coventry. I don't see why he would leave there where he is clearly doing well. I suppose it depends what finances/promises/long term strategy is for Coventry.

Steve Cooper - Expert at promotion, but dull football. Leicester would be safe I think had they not parted company with him. Equally I think we'd have been in a better position had we got him instead of Ivan Juric.

Sean Dyche - Effective at promotion, direct. Boring football. Needs to clear his throat.

Mark Robins - Did well at Coventry. Surprisngly sacked by Coventry at the team, although they've continued to grow, has done ok at Stoke, linked previously.

Russell Martin - he got a promotion, good football, needs to learn to adapt or have a plan B. Needed to have better transfer support/backing from SR. Extremely stubborn, can do no wrong in his own eyes. Leicester now after him, and I'm sure they'll be a few more come the end of the season. I'll leave it at that. 

And according to TransferMarkt, other available managers/coaches currently listed include: Edin Terzic, Robin Schmidt, Gareth Southgate, Xavi (he loves Le Tiss), Kasper Hjulmand, Dominico Tedesco, Rob Edwards, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, David Wagner and the mighty big Sam Allardyce. (For note - I don't think any of these will be near the shortlist).

I think it's overwhelmingly set up to be Danny Rohl. 

Whoever it is, they need to come in quickly as soon as the season ends.

 

 

[malcolm waldron]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Rohl hasn't failed anywhere so would be an unlikely appointment as we like managers who have failed. 

 

I thought we wanted them hungry?  Or am I getting confused.....?

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

34 minutes ago, LeG said:

 

Danny is our first choice as manager and I don't think it will be long before he arrives either. 

How do you know this?

Does this guy ACTUALLY know this?

Can someone tell me...

"You don't think"

You either know it or you don't.

Edited 4 hours ago by ApprenticeBillionaire

[Saint Gifford]

Someone that understands the opposition every week. Oh and isn’t afraid of playing a simple 4-4-2 every now and again. 
 

 

[gurru991]

36 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

Is he gay?

Too ugly to be gay !!

Edited 3 hours ago by gurru991

[Badger]

1 hour ago, gurru991 said:

Leicester have been a mess for a few years now ! Enzo Maresca papered over the cracks when he got us promoted but our whole structure needs revamping. Whether are owner is prepared to do the dirty work is another question.

Who would you want for next season, if RVN is on his way ?

[gurru991]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

Who would you want for next season, if RVN is on his way ?

Danny Rohl Or Liam Rosenior would be my top two choices but as I said earlier the club is a mess.We get in trouble every year for over spending and we desperately need a new DOF as well as someone who doesn't overspend on contracts for unsaleable players. 

 

Until Top brings in professional people who know what they are doing we are wasting our time.

[Midfield_General]

8 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Danny Rohl Or Liam Rosenior would be my top two choices but as I said earlier the club is a mess.We get in trouble every year for over spending and we desperately need a new DOF as well as someone who doesn't overspend on contracts for unsaleable players. 

 

Until Top brings in professional people who know what they are doing we are wasting our time.

How would you feel if you appointed Russell Martin? 

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

All that really shows is that appointing a manager based on achievements from ten or more years ago isn’t really the best idea. In much the same way I wouldn’t want Adkins or Koeman back now.

I don’t have a particular candidate in mind as I don’t really watch enough foreign and lower league football. Rohl sort of feels like he’d be a good fit and I’m almost certain he’d want to come here but then I’ve really not seen much of Wednesday to get a glowing endorsement.

I'd take Koeman back or Poch (although he would leave as soon as the Spuds job comes up, which surely won't be long). 

[East Kent Saint]

I’m not sure I want Pep , he seems to have lost it , even his Mrs has left him .

[skintsaint]

Big Ange when he gets the boot, will be hungry to show the PL he can do it there.

[Lighthouse]

11 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

I'd take Koeman back or Poch (although he would leave as soon as the Spuds job comes up, which surely won't be long). 

Koeman would obviously be one of the most high calibre managers in the Championship (hypothetically, it’s a completely moot point). I was referring specifically to the PL when I posted that, if I’m honest. Generally speaking I wouldn’t go back to managers the same as I wouldn’t go back to ex. Players (see Walcott and Lallana)

[Gloucester Saint]

59 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

How do you know this?

Does this guy ACTUALLY know this?

Can someone tell me...

"You don't think"

You either know it or you don't.

LeG is probably the genuine ITK left on here.

Edited 3 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[gurru991]

16 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

How would you feel if you appointed Russell Martin? 

There is a lot of chatter about hiring Martin & it fills me with terror. I watched a lots of Southampton games with him in charge & think the Man is a disaster waiting to happen.

I personally feel that managers should be able to adapt the style of play to the players available.  Managers who can only play one way frighten me.

[Baird of the land]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Koeman would obviously be one of the most high calibre managers in the Championship (hypothetically, it’s a completely moot point). I was referring specifically to the PL when I posted that, if I’m honest. Generally speaking I wouldn’t go back to managers the same as I wouldn’t go back to ex. Players (see Walcott and Lallana)

The whole don't go back thing is overdone. Everton don't seem to be suffering, nor Sheffield United. Thing is not to just to do it for sentimental reasons.