Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Forester said:

In terms of credible targets I would be very happy with any of Dyche, Cooper or (if not promoted) Manning.

If he drops himself, I’m in….

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Not convinced Cooper takes a job in the Championship considering he'd be not far away from getting any jobs at the bottom of the PL next season, especially if a promoted team starts badly but who knows. 

As a side note, I don't really get the "he's done it before so why wouldn't we be interested?" criteria some seem to have. Up until this season, over the last 10 years I think the winners of the Championship has been won by a manager new to the league except for Farke with Norwich. Cooper himself has two play off defeats to his name and then the promotion being referenced with Forest. The idea you need to know it to get out of it isn't true and certainly the idea that people who have got out of it would be in some way an obvious appointment isn't true.

Much rather we get someone who has joined up thinking with the decision makers at the club, has a proven track record of galvanising squads of players they've worked with and will actually be motivated to grow with the club on a journey (however short or long) rather than dropping down to do us a favour in some way. 

Translation: "I know it's going to be Rohl but I can only allude to it at the moment" 

[It's There]

What about Neil Warnock? Promotion specialist....

Coat got

[pimpin4rizeal]

19 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

This kind of reactive thinking will get us absolutely nowhere in the long run. Hating 'philosophy managers' seems to have become a mantra on here, mainly because of Martin, but we need to have a clear understanding of the way we want to play, the players we need to bring in and who the best manager is for that job. There has to be some semblence of a style of football and how we're going to get results, you can't just 'be pragmatic'.

With Rohl we almost need to disregard the current situation at Wednesday and decide whether he does or doesn't play the way we have in mind for next season. Judging a downturn in results at that basket case of a club is of little relevance to the situation we'll be in next season.

 

9 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nutters, after a decent draw against a crap side, now suggest Rusk

 

got to love football fans at times

In context of what we have been served up under the other managers a draw is impressive we looked like losing every game ., so far under rusk we have had two draws out of three and the other game we didn’t concede for 70 odd minutes .: this is a huge improvement and whilst it’s a tiny sample size he looks the first in a long time that can organise a defence .if rusk brought that kinda ratio over a season we would have been in with a chance of actually staying up in the premiership with (the worst side in the history of the league )..

there’s zero guarantee rohl could step up to the prem any more then there was with russ. With rusk we get a chance to see what he can do at the highest level with a bad team . If he keeps it up it’s a impressive feat 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, pimpin4rizeal said:

 

In context of what we have been served up under the other managers a draw is impressive we looked like losing every game ., so far under rusk we have had two draws out of three and the other game we didn’t concede for 70 odd minutes .: this is a huge improvement and whilst it’s a tiny sample size he looks the first in a long time that can organise a defence .if rusk brought that kinda ratio over a season we would have been in with a chance of actually staying up in the premiership with (the worst side in the history of the league )..

there’s zero guarantee rohl could step up to the prem any more then there was with russ. With rusk we get a chance to see what he can do at the highest level with a bad team . If he keeps it up it’s a impressive feat 

It aint going to be Rusk, and it is ridiculous to suggest it should be

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It aint going to be Rusk, and it is ridiculous to suggest it should be

It almost NEVER works out when assistants get the job.

Has there ever been 1 example where it's ever worked out at ANY club.

We tried that with Selles, he did ok to step in, gave him the job and it went to shit in a handbasket almost instantly.

[WALK DMC]

14 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

It almost NEVER works out when assistants get the job.

Has there ever been 1 example where it's ever worked out at ANY club ?

We tried that with Selles, he did ok to step in, gave him the job and it went to shit in a handbasket almost instantly.

Thomas Frank at Brentford seems to have worked well ....

[Convict Colony]

38 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

It almost NEVER works out when assistants get the job.

Has there ever been 1 example where it's ever worked out at ANY club.

We tried that with Selles, he did ok to step in, gave him the job and it went to shit in a handbasket almost instantly.

Jose Mourinho was assistant to Robson at Porto

Edited 19 hours ago by Convict Colony
Added context

[Lighthouse]

55 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

In context of what we have been served up under the other managers a draw is impressive we looked like losing every game ., so far under rusk we have had two draws out of three and the other game we didn’t concede for 70 odd minutes .: this is a huge improvement and whilst it’s a tiny sample size he looks the first in a long time that can organise a defence .if rusk brought that kinda ratio over a season we would have been in with a chance of actually staying up in the premiership with (the worst side in the history of the league )..

there’s zero guarantee rohl could step up to the prem any more then there was with russ. With rusk we get a chance to see what he can do at the highest level with a bad team . If he keeps it up it’s a impressive feat 

Yes it is, it's a tiny sample size of very little substance other than one decent strike from Les against a crap West Ham team. When Selles took over he won three of his first three games and a lot of people said he was very obviously a massive improvement on Ralph and Jones. The problem was he wasn't and we almost immediately went back to losing every week.

It wont be Rusk next season and nor should it be, so don't get your hopes up.

[Saint NL]

Scott Parker secured his third promotion to the PL. He's absolutely shit once he gets promoted, but does a great job in the Championship.

Give him a 12 month on/off contract, he can manage the 25/26 season, get us promoted, go on gardening leave and then be manager again in the 27/28 season after we've been relegated again.

Easy.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

1 hour ago, WALK DMC said:

Thomas Frank at Brentford seems to have worked well ....

 

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Jose Mourinho was assistant to Robson at Porto

Mourinho was a freak of a manager who turned into one of the best managers football has ever seen, so more the exception.

Frank I'll give you. 

That's 2...

It rarely works.

[Convict Colony]

Bro I get your point and agree  but just to fuck with you lol.

Zinedine Zidand was assistant to Ancelotti at Madrid.

Di Matteo won a champions league with Chelsea.

Vilonaova won La Liga with Barca after pep left.

[Forester]

3 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

It almost NEVER works out when assistants get the job.

Has there ever been 1 example where it's ever worked out at ANY club.

We tried that with Selles, he did ok to step in, gave him the job and it went to shit in a handbasket almost instantly.

Mourinho

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Bro I get your point and agree  but just to fuck with you lol.

Zinedine Zidand was assistant to Ancelotti at Madrid.

Di Matteo won a champions league with Chelsea.

Vilonaova won La Liga with Barca after pep left.

Those are merely 3 exceptions when added to the other 2 with all the others that haven’t as yet been identified that prove the rule that assistants are always crap when given the no. 1 position! 

[Secret Site Agent]

Maybe, just maybe

[Winnersaint]

Is Will Still auditioning on Sky this evening?

[Forester]

Will Still section on Sky was an interesting watch.  Comes across as a little less “polished” than most top flight managers, but given only 32 and managing for three seasons that is unsurprising.

However things I think most Saints fans would have enjoyed hearing:

- I want to play forward

- I don’t just want possession

- I always want an angle on every pass, harder to press that way

- I don’t believe in sticking to one philosophy, and if promoted from championship to Premier League you can’t expect to play the same way.  Some times you have to win ugly 

Clearly is doing a good job at second club in Ligue 1 and you can see why he is being courted by clubs.  Fluent in three languages and knowledge of Belgian and French markets useful too.

[verlaine1979]

1 hour ago, Forester said:

Mourinho

Didn't Mourinho take over at Porto 8 years after Robson left?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Mowbray now available.

Postecoglou probably a Euro exit away from being likewise free.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

9 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Bro I get your point and agree  but just to fuck with you lol.

Zinedine Zidand was assistant to Ancelotti at Madrid.

Di Matteo won a champions league with Chelsea.

Vilonaova won La Liga with Barca after pep left.

with the world's best players at their disposal.

Weren't they already semi finalists in Di Matteo's case?

 

Edit: I just looked up Di Matteo. Yeah fair enough. Mind you they fucking tanked after that and he didn't even make it to Xmas the following season. Mind you Chelsea at that time sacked everyone after 1 loss.
 

Edited 8 hours ago by ApprenticeBillionaire

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

7 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Those are merely 3 exceptions when added to the other 2 with all the others that haven’t as yet been identified that prove the rule that assistants are always crap when given the no. 1 position! 

We'll come on then?

Let's hear your offerings then....

[east-stand-nic]

7 hours ago, Forester said:

Will Still section on Sky was an interesting watch.  Comes across as a little less “polished” than most top flight managers, but given only 32 and managing for three seasons that is unsurprising.

However things I think most Saints fans would have enjoyed hearing:

- I want to play forward

- I don’t just want possession

- I always want an angle on every pass, harder to press that way

- I don’t believe in sticking to one philosophy, and if promoted from championship to Premier League you can’t expect to play the same way.  Some times you have to win ugly 

Clearly is doing a good job at second club in Ligue 1 and you can see why he is being courted by clubs.  Fluent in three languages and knowledge of Belgian and French markets useful too.

It almost sounds as if he is talking about us next Season and beyond.

[CB Fry]

9 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Bro I get your point and agree  but just to fuck with you lol.

Zinedine Zidand was assistant to Ancelotti at Madrid.

Di Matteo won a champions league with Chelsea.

Vilonaova won La Liga with Barca after pep left.

I remember thinking when Rusk stood in for the first time how this was absolutely identical in all ways to Zinedine Zidane taking over at Real Madrid.

[CB Fry]

 

 

10 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Bro I get your point and agree  but just to fuck with you lol.

Zinedine Zidand was assistant to Ancelotti at Madrid.

Di Matteo won a champions league with Chelsea.

Vilonaova won La Liga with Barca after pep left.

These examples are dreadful.

When Ancelotti got sacked the job went to Benitez not Zidane.

Di Matteo had already won promotion from the Championship with WBA, he wasn't just "an assistant".

Soneone else said Mourinho, but his first managerial job was not him taking over from being an assistant, he was appointed Benfica manager in his own right.

Just seems to be people who were assistant managers once at some point in their lives.

Edited 8 hours ago by CB Fry

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I remember thinking when Rusk stood in for the first time how this was absolutely identical in all ways to Zinedine Zidane taking over at Real Madrid.

The similarities are uncanny.

[Convict Colony]

49 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The similarities are uncanny.

Listen guys if you cant see Zidane in Rusk then there is no hope for you.

 

[Convict Colony]

8 hours ago, Forester said:

Clearly is doing a good job at second club in Ligue 1 and you can see why he is being courted by clubs.  Fluent in three languages and knowledge of Belgian and French markets useful too.

Edited 7 hours ago by Convict Colony

[badgerx16]

Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Roy Evans; The Boot Room under Shankley was an amazing production line to maintain success.

Edited 7 hours ago by badgerx16

[Midfield_General]

15 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Anyone who doesn’t come on the pitch after wins and does the wanky three ole’s

God yeah I hate seeing the team celebrating on the pitch after a win. Much better to do what this season’s managers did and cleverly swerve the need for it entirely by simply never winning any games 

[leesaint88]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

It almost sounds as if he is talking about us next Season and beyond.

I like him and he's willing to adapt to win which is what we're all crying out for. 

[manji]

10 hours ago, Forester said:

Will Still section on Sky was an interesting watch.  Comes across as a little less “polished” than most top flight managers, but given only 32 and managing for three seasons that is unsurprising.

However things I think most Saints fans would have enjoyed hearing:

- I want to play forward

- I don’t just want possession

- I always want an angle on every pass, harder to press that way

- I don’t believe in sticking to one philosophy, and if promoted from championship to Premier League you can’t expect to play the same way.  Some times you have to win ugly 

Clearly is doing a good job at second club in Ligue 1 and you can see why he is being courted by clubs.  Fluent in three languages and knowledge of Belgian and French markets useful too.

Less polished could be. There’s some goods videos of him on YouTube he seems like a guy bursting with ideas. This has been posted before but if you missed it worth the watch For once the headlines right it is unreal .

i like the idea of him being our manager. He’d kick some arse and is intelligent , sharp. But the downside whover takes over is on a hiding to nothing. Must acheive Autos and rebuild team prepared the handle the first season back in the PL

 

 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, manji said:

Less polished could be. There’s some goods videos of him on YouTube he seems like a guy bursting with ideas. This has been posted before but if you missed it worth the watch For once the headlines right it is unreal .

i like the idea of him being our manager. He’d kick some arse and is intelligent , sharp. But the downside whover takes over is on a hiding to nothing. Must acheive Autos and rebuild team prepared the handle the first season back in the PL

 

 

He's the opposite of what we need in my opinion. Still is the kind of manager you want when you're mid table in the Championship and need some new ideas to give you a charge up the table.

[Saint86]

15 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

It almost NEVER works out when assistants get the job.

Has there ever been 1 example where it's ever worked out at ANY club.

We tried that with Selles, he did ok to step in, gave him the job and it went to shit in a handbasket almost instantly.

Is it reasonable to condemn Selles for the mess he inherited at Saints in an awful relegation season? And isn't assistant manager to manager quite a common career progression? Within it there will be both good and bad examples...

Top of my head i am pretty sure there are some very prominant examples of assistants/coaches that managed it at the same club:

• Zidane,
• Mourinho
• Eddie Howe
• Liverpool have a bit of a history of this - Bob paisley and Joe Fagan
• Joachim Low - successfully made this transition both at international and club level
• Also, didn't Di matteo win both the champions league and fa cup as chelsea caretaker? 😅

Outside of that, there are plenty of managers that have gone from being an assistant manager to a manager... two fairly quick/prominent examples in recent history would be Maresca and Arteta...

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Saint86

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, leesaint88 said:

I like him and he's willing to adapt to win which is what we're all crying out for. 

By that token, we could appoint any number of managers that will say that.  What about Dossy at Sholing, or Fat Bill who runs the Dog and Duck in Junior 6.

Fucking hell!

[leesaint88]

8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

By that token, we could appoint any number of managers that will say that.  What about Dossy at Sholing, or Fat Bill who runs the Dog and Duck in Junior 6.

Fucking hell!

Steve Bracknell, give him the reigns! 😁

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, manji said:

Less polished could be. There’s some goods videos of him on YouTube he seems like a guy bursting with ideas. This has been posted before but if you missed it worth the watch For once the headlines right it is unreal .

i like the idea of him being our manager. He’d kick some arse and is intelligent , sharp. But the downside whover takes over is on a hiding to nothing. Must acheive Autos and rebuild team prepared the handle the first season back in the PL

 

 

Hes interesting as a candidate but does Ligue  1 experience make him relatable to what we need in the championship, that's the unknown.

I'd be inclined to agree that a club looking to outperform from mid table might suit, I'd also be interested to know why he didn't get the Sunderland gig.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

2 hours ago, manji said:

Less polished could be. There’s some goods videos of him on YouTube he seems like a guy bursting with ideas. This has been posted before but if you missed it worth the watch For once the headlines right it is unreal .

i like the idea of him being our manager. He’d kick some arse and is intelligent , sharp. But the downside whover takes over is on a hiding to nothing. Must acheive Autos and rebuild team prepared the handle the first season back in the PL

 

 

Yeah in a fucking farmers league like the French League.

Doubt he'd get far trying to stamp his authority on multi millionaire entitled premier League footballers who aren't a great deal younger than himself except with a shit load more money and have played at a much higher level than he has at any point in his entire career.

Edited 2 hours ago by ApprenticeBillionaire

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

Is it reasonable to condemn Selles for the mess he inherited at Saints in an awful relegation season? And isn't assistant manager to manager quite a common career progression? Within it there will be both good and bad examples...

Top of my head i am pretty sure there are some very prominant examples of assistants/coaches that managed it at the same club:

• Zidane,
• Mourinho
• Eddie Howe
• Liverpool have a bit of a history of this - Bob paisley and Joe Fagan
• Joachim Low - successfully made this transition both at international and club level
• Also, didn't Di matteo win both the champions league and fa cup as chelsea caretaker? 😅

Outside of that, there are plenty of managers that have gone from being an assistant manager to a manager... two fairly quick/prominent examples in recent history would be Maresca and Arteta...

 

 

I think we should recruit Tony Mowbray because he was WBA manager and Chelsea won the FA Cup and the Champions League after they appointed a former WBA manager.

Is that how it works?

[Mr Saints]

Let someone else take the gamble on Still. As others have said above, he is not what we need for next season.

[Harry_SFC]

Still and Rohl both fit the bill for what Spors is looking for. Whether that's what we need is another matter but I'd be surprised if neither of those were at the top of the list. 

[goodymatt]

Leicester expected to replace RvN this summer, shortlist appears to be Lee Carsley, Danny Rohl and Russell Martin.

Would Rohl choose us?

Carsley not mentioned for us to date, is he a viable option?

I wouldn’t like to see Russ battling against us for promotion next season but it would be a good option for him to get back into management.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, goodymatt said:

Leicester expected to replace RvN this summer, shortlist appears to be Lee Carsley, Danny Rohl and Russell Martin.

Would Rohl choose us?

Carsley not mentioned for us to date, is he a viable option?

I wouldn’t like to see Russ battling against us for promotion next season but it would be a good option for him to get back into management.

And Leicester fans thought it was bad when they got Bertrand and Vestergaard. Say hello to Baz, Jack, Ryan and Will. 🙂

 

[aintforever]

Cooper makes the most sense to me.

Leeds and Burnley both hired managers with experience of promotion out of the Championship and it worked for them. 

[Dusic]

10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

And Leicester fans thought it was bad when they got Bertrand and Vestergaard. Say hello to Baz, Jack, Ryan and Will. 🙂

 

Just to check do you mean local lad Will Smallbone who was very good last season in a Saints team that got promoted at Wembley - getting the assist for the winning goal in the playoff final, added to a vitally important goal in the semi final as well?

[Midfield_General]

21 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

And Leicester fans thought it was bad when they got Bertrand and Vestergaard. Say hello to Baz, Jack, Ryan and Will. 🙂

 

And Adam and Ben and Kamaldeen and Jan and Joe and Alex and another Ryan hopefully 🤞 

[Badger]

2 hours ago, manji said:

Less polished could be. There’s some goods videos of him on YouTube he seems like a guy bursting with ideas. This has been posted before but if you missed it worth the watch For once the headlines right it is unreal .

i like the idea of him being our manager. He’d kick some arse and is intelligent , sharp. But the downside whover takes over is on a hiding to nothing. Must acheive Autos and rebuild team prepared the handle the first season back in the PL

 

 

Very impressive switching between two languages fluently.

But there does seem a bit of a comic  Harry Enfield caricature in there going from what sounds fluent French to a Danny Dyer/Michael Caine “ three fucking points on Sunday …” 

(Just remembered Julio Geordio was the character years ago). 

Edited 2 hours ago by Badger

[leesaint88]

32 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Cooper makes the most sense to me.

Leeds and Burnley both hired managers with experience of promotion out of the Championship and it worked for them. 

Did it work out for Farke? I mean last season that Leeds team should of been at least second and he got outplayed tactically by Martin. I agree Burnley did it right with Parker, but lets face it they'll be propping up the Premier League next season..

[miserableoldgit]

Big Sam out of the running.....

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Just to check do you mean local lad Will Smallbone who was very good last season in a Saints team that got promoted at Wembley - getting the assist for the winning goal in the playoff final, added to a vitally important goal in the semi final as well?

That's the one.

I've plenty of posts praising Will's development last season, to be comfortable with a post consigning a side to seasons of possession football.

Like every player, I hope they all prove to be indispensable to the new manager, as we storm to the title.

Edited 59 minutes ago by Holmes_and_Watson

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

Has there ever been 1 example where it's ever worked out at ANY club.

 Bob Paisley did ok. 
 

6 league titles 

1 FA cup

3 European Cups