Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

54 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly do we think spors who has contacts throughout world football would end up plumbing for the same failed English managers that always get their names in the papers.

I'd expect them to end up with the same up and coming English managers, who get their names in the paper, who then end up failing. 🙂

[Mr X]

Whoever gets appointed is going to be a championship level manager that won't be at the level needed for the premier league should we ever make it back there (and it definitely won't be first attempt again), sports republic need to be clear with them from the outset that a parting of ways and a large bonus after promotion instead of gambling on them suddenly being good enough for the next level.

Comparing Martin and jurics results is scary! both equally as shit in nearly every way juric takes the record for making a bad team even worse and conceding even more! May as well have stuck with Martin if they had an even bigger clown lined up! 

 

Edited April 17 by Mr X

[Maggie May]

23 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Comparing Martin and jurics results is scary! both equally as shit in nearly every way juric takes the record for making a bad team even worse and conceding even more! May as well have stuck with Martin if they had an even bigger clown lined up! 

I'm not saying anything...


@trousers

[Kermitzasaint]

On 16/04/2025 at 22:21, gurru991 said:

For me it's quite simple.

Success for me initially would be automatic promotion. On top of that, real success would be building a team & style that is capable of avoiding relegation the first season back in the Premier League.

What would equate to success for you ?

 

Exactly the same as yourself. I don't think Rohl is capable of that though. 

Supporters ignored Martins history of not caring about the defence yet are doing exactly the same again with Rohl. It's baffling how many supporters convince themselves that a coach can suddenly decide that defence is important even though they were incapable previously. 

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

I'm not saying anything...


@trousers

Both lost their opening match one nil, both only one win, Martin reaching 5 points in 16 games!, juric reaching 4 points in 14 games!.... Both horrendous records....

To be fair neither had many premier league players at their disposal probably just 3 (ramsdale, KWP and fernandes who looks capable of the step up)

how can you expect to compete with an made of glass Stewart, AA onuachu & archer as your strike options possibly the worst 4 the premier league has ever seen! 

[OldNick]

2 hours ago, Mr X said:

 

Comparing Martin and jurics results is scary! both equally as shit in nearly every way juric takes the record for making a bad team even worse and conceding even more! May as well have stuck with Martin if they had an even bigger clown lined up! 

 

I feel we all accept that the squad really isnt up to it. In the past you could think, ohh when x comes back fit again or comes back from a ban, we could improve but we havent anyone in the background who can improve this team. It is a sobering thought. Juric took a punt that he could improve the teams results, that didnt happen of course but Martin takes a bigger share of the blme IMO as he was the one who helped build the pile of rubbish.

I will always appreciate Fernandes and Ramsdales efforts, as they really dont deserve tobetarnished by the muck around them. KWP has a honary pass, Manning gives his all,JB perhaps but I cant think of any others who really can hold their heads up.

Interesting seeing so many running for the lifeboats, no women and children first in their minds, just cost us lots of points and now buggering off before the season has finished.  

[Gloucester Saint]

9 hours ago, Appy said:

Wagner isn’t true, purely agents chucking his name about. 

He was shit on the X Factor as well.

[Willo of Whiteley]

I just hope whoever comes in is ready for mid July.

Kick out the deadwood and work on building the squad over pre-season.

Part of me is expecting SR to diddle about until the day before the season starts.

[Badger]

18 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I just hope whoever comes in is ready for mid July.

Kick out the deadwood and work on building the squad over pre-season.

Part of me is expecting SR to diddle about until the day before the season starts.

Ideally from early June so that they’re closely involved in recruitment.

We have to avoid the new bloke arriving looking at the squad first day and asking ‘what’s this cunt doing here, what did we sign him for?’

[Saint Fan CaM]

The timing of the new appointment will likely provide a preliminary indication of how well the summer window will play out.

[chivvy]

5 hours ago, Badger said:

Ideally from early June so that they’re closely involved in recruitment.

We have to avoid the new bloke arriving looking at the squad first day and asking ‘what’s this cunt doing here, what did we sign him for?’

There will be a lot that phrase said .. lol

[Give it to Ron]

How do we kick out the deadwood if no-one wants them and they still have a contract? Write off millions?

[Doctoroncall]

9 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

How do we kick out the deadwood if no-one wants them and they still have a contract? Write off millions?

Depends on their attitude, last season loans were used or they get frozen out. You’d hope most footballers would want to play and play for the team, wanting to get the next contract, but maybe the modern players aren’t all like that anymore. 

[Maggie May]

1 hour ago, Doctoroncall said:

Depends on their attitude, last season loans were used or they get frozen out. You’d hope most footballers would want to play and play for the team, wanting to get the next contract, but maybe the modern players aren’t all like that anymore. 

We really need to invest in making Southampton a 'cool' brand.  Tap into the nostalgia value, devise merchandise young people will want to wear, make the club a desirable place young players will want to play.  

New badge = I love it but the current one is old, 'uncool'
Shirts = need to be more tailored, less garish.  Think Bilbao, Atletico.  
Do shirt sponsors really add that much to the coffers?  Rollbit has to be the ugliest I've ever seen.  
 

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, Doctoroncall said:

Depends on their attitude, last season loans were used or they get frozen out. You’d hope most footballers would want to play and play for the team, wanting to get the next contract, but maybe the modern players aren’t all like that anymore. 

You would hope but in latter years Ryan Fraser for instance has virtually made a career out of being frozen out and happily picking up his monthly salary - Bournemouth, Newcastle and now Southampton.

There will be others in the squad no doubt of a similar mind. We wont get rid of even half the shite we want to offload. We didnt last time, why would this be any different.

Edited April 18 by beatlesaint

[Matthew Le God]

50 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Do shirt sponsors really add that much to the coffers?  Rollbit has to be the ugliest I've ever seen.  
 

Yes, they are a big source of income.

[benjii]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

You would hope but in latter years Ryan Fraser for instance has virtually made a career out of being frozen out and happily picking up his monthly salary - Bournemouth, Newcastle and now Southampton.

There will be others in the squad no doubt of a similar mind. We wont get rid of even half the shite we want to offload. We didnt last time, why would this be any different.

I doubt he wanted to get frozen out. What do you expect him to do - refuse his wages?

[benjii]

It's time for Paul Hart / Arrigo Sacchi. 

[Saint Gifford]

We don’t know what the squad will look like next season. So it’s got to be someone that can work with an existing team, or someone that brings in a new 11 with him. 
 

All that of course depends on the funding that’s available to completely rebuild or just tinker. That for me dictates  what manager you bring in. 
 

 

[Challenger]

6 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

How do we kick out the deadwood if no-one wants them and they still have a contract? Write off millions?

Indeed, and it's a recurring problem every summer in recent years.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Gotta say rusk comes across great in the pressers . Would be a gamble but I’m interested to see if he stakes a claim 

[Appy]

12 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Gotta say rusk comes across great in the pressers . Would be a gamble but I’m interested to see if he stakes a claim 

Absolutely not 

[Harry_SFC]

17 minutes ago, Appy said:

Absolutely not 

Yeah no problem with him doing it temporarily but he doesn't have the credentials to take it on next season. 

[Forester]

Fully appreciate there is lots of context, delays in salaries being paid etc, however……Sheffield Wednesday have collected two points from a possible 18 in their last six games.  Hardly great marketing for Danny Rohl

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

How do we kick out the deadwood if no-one wants them and they still have a contract? Write off millions?

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Once upon a time we though we'd be stuck with Caleta-Car forever, but just goes to show there's a buyer out there for everyone if you look long enough and hard enough...

(Maybe not Stewart though).

[Lighthouse]

"Get rid of the deadwood," is a catchphrase trotted out by many football fans of every club, in the run up to every transfer window. The reality is always the same, some unwanted players move on and other linger. Most clubs in the bottom half of the Championship would take most of our players and many will have interest from abroad, it's just a question of finances.

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

Absolutely not 

Yeah it’s to early to even contemplate atm .. if he suddenly started pulling results out though it would be quite impressive he seems way more in reality and smart then russ who managed promotion 

[Badger]

25 minutes ago, Forester said:

Fully appreciate there is lots of context, delays in salaries being paid etc, however……Sheffield Wednesday have collected two points from a possible 18 in their last six games.  Hardly great marketing for Danny Rohl

Didn’t our results also fall off a cliff when it was rumoured that Ralph was on his way, wanted out, talked of retirement?

Agree not making the best case for him, but there is a lot behind it. 

[Convict Colony]

One man's deadwood is another man's life raft.

[Harry_SFC]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Didn’t our results also fall off a cliff when it was rumoured that Ralph was on his way, wanted out, talked of retirement?

Agree not making the best case for him, but there is a lot behind it. 

The majority of Sheffield Wednesday fans think he is a really good manager however his recruitment has been poor (presume he has a very big say).

Not great to hear given our issues in that department. Having said that, with a new set up in place how much of a say will the new manager have? 

I know a lot of people think managers should pick the signings however it back fired when Martin was effectively in charge of it last summer. 

Edited April 18 by Harry_SFC

[Fabrice29]

4 hours ago, Forester said:

Fully appreciate there is lots of context, delays in salaries being paid etc, however……Sheffield Wednesday have collected two points from a possible 18 in their last six games.  Hardly great marketing for Danny Rohl

Think having Callum Paterson up front and Shea Charles younger brother in goal is all the context you need tbh.

[Badger]

35 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Think having Callum Paterson up front and Shea Charles younger brother in goal is all the context you need tbh.

Thought he was meant to be highly rated.

Possibly a Northern Ireland Bazunu though 

[Appy]

5 hours ago, Forester said:

Fully appreciate there is lots of context, delays in salaries being paid etc, however……Sheffield Wednesday have collected two points from a possible 18 in their last six games.  Hardly great marketing for Danny Rohl

If we’ve identified him as our top target I doubt a few bad results will put us off, as it shouldn’t do the opposite if a crap manager strings 6-7 wins together (Nathan Jones) 

[Gloucester Saint]

23 minutes ago, Badger said:

Thought he was meant to be highly rated.

Possibly a Northern Ireland Bazunu though 

Looks like it. When you’ve overpaid hideously for one Conference North calibre young Irish keeper, the SR way would naturally be to double down https://saintsmarching.com/shea-charles-could-complete-another-historic-transfer-move-involving-southampton

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13351199/a-freak-goal-pierce-charles-howler-leads-to-ben-wilmot-goal
 

[CSA96]

Some interesting post-match comments from Rohl: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/danny-rohl-extraordinary-press-conference-sheffield-wednesday-relegation-scrap-5090783

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Thought he was meant to be highly rated.

Possibly a Northern Ireland Bazunu though 

I've no doubt he is tbh, just think a 19 year old goalkeeper in a struggling side probably isn't ideal. That said it appears to be a decision made by Rohl to blood him even though they have a more experienced keeper so fair enough.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

On 17/04/2025 at 21:22, Willo of Whiteley said:

I just hope whoever comes in is ready for mid July.

Kick out the deadwood and work on building the squad over pre-season.

Part of me is expecting SR to diddle about until the day before the season starts.

I love that phrase "kick out the dead wood".

If a player has a contract he cannot be kicked out, as you put it, unless he agrees to having his contract paid up. Getting rid of unwanted players is not a question of putting them in your boot and driving to the tip.

[Turkish]

8 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Some interesting post-match comments from Rohl: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/danny-rohl-extraordinary-press-conference-sheffield-wednesday-relegation-scrap-5090783

A Martinesque throw your players under the bus style interview there. A bad run and they’re not good enough to play my style of football when they’ve done it the last 18 months. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

A Martinesque throw your players under the bus style interview there. A bad run and they’re not good enough to play my style of football when they’ve done it the last 18 months. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

That's that deal sealed then.

Expect the unveiling any day now.

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I love that phrase "kick out the dead wood".

If a player has a contract he cannot be kicked out, as you put it, unless he agrees to having his contract paid up. Getting rid of unwanted players is not a question of putting them in your boot and driving to the tip.

Me too. It tooks us years to get rid of the deadwood last time and it was blamed as why we were so hamstrung in the transfer market. Remember our £20m striker who played a handful of games, was loaned out several times and then we had to pay to leave? Hoedt, Lemina, even elyanoussi who was brilliant when he didn’t have the ball we couldn’t sell. 
 

like you say getting rid of the deadwood is not just telling a player to leave and then nodding along with it 

Edited April 19 by Turkish

[Toussaint]

25 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I love that phrase "kick out the dead wood".

 Getting rid of unwanted players is not a question of putting them in your boot and driving to the tip.

We’d need a minibus at least 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Some interesting post-match comments from Rohl: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/danny-rohl-extraordinary-press-conference-sheffield-wednesday-relegation-scrap-5090783

Already preparing his speech for when it goes wrong here. Can't fault him for his preparation.

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I love that phrase "kick out the dead wood".

If a player has a contract he cannot be kicked out, as you put it, unless he agrees to having his contract paid up. Getting rid of unwanted players is not a question of putting them in your boot and driving to the tip.

The released/retained list always confuses some fans every summer! Some fans think any player they want rid of should be on it, when it is only for those out of contract on 30th June of that year.

Paying up contracts is an extremely rare event. Players won't want to give up money they are contractually owed.

Any players we can't sell this summer, we'd look to loan out, not buy out their contracts.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The released/retained list always confuses some fans every summer!

No it doesn’t.

Stop making pony up…

Edited April 19 by Lord Duckhunter

[beatlesaint]

22 hours ago, benjii said:

I doubt he wanted to get frozen out. What do you expect him to do - refuse his wages?

Are you being deliberately stupid? 

Totally missed the point which is that he is happy to sit around doing fuck all on his big fat wage, its happened at three clubs now in the case of him. Its got nothing to do with refusing his wages, all to do with happily taking them whilst contributing nothing or even looking to get another club. If RM hadnt come along for his ex room mate he would have been kicking about at Newcastle training on his own still.  

[Mr Saints]

16 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The released/retained list always confuses some fans every summer! Some fans think any player they want rid of should be on it, when it is only for those out of contract on 30th June of that year.

 

No one thinks this.

[Matthew Le God]

30 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No it doesn’t.

Stop making pony up…

 

14 minutes ago, Mr Saints said:

No one thinks this.

You both might not, but some do. As evidenced on Twitter every summer!

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I love that phrase "kick out the dead wood".

If a player has a contract he cannot be kicked out, as you put it, unless he agrees to having his contract paid up. Getting rid of unwanted players is not a question of putting them in your boot and driving to the tip.

Here’s the contract law https://www.easportslaw.com/news/terminating-a-contract-between-football-club-and-a-player

Probably the only circumstances where it’s going to happen other than a club effectively going pop, eg Steven Davis and Rangers, is a mutual agreement where the player either has personal circumstances - partner given birth at the other end of the UK or overseas, terminally ill relative, combined with being unsettled/not needed at the current club, with some confidence that another club would want them as a free agent.

The club has done it with Carrillo and Osvaldo before, so not totally unheard of, and there might be an instance where a player who has just broken back into their national team after injury gets displaced by a new first choice signing and would rather seek first team football at a similar level to stay in the national team picture. Their contract would need to be in the final year or so to make it with it both ways though.

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

You both might not, but some do. As evidenced on Twitter every summer!

Yeah, but citing X is like saying voters in some American states know anything about politics - ‘eg voting Trump because he’s going to make my supermarket shopping cheaper or because I care about the environment’.

Edited April 19 by Gloucester Saint

[chivvy]

19 hours ago, Challenger said:

Indeed, and it's a recurring problem every summer in recent years.

2026 is the deadwood clearance year . Check out the contract expiries. 

Edited April 19 by chivvy