Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[gurru991]

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Edited Monday at 22:35 by gurru991

[pimpin4rizeal]

9 hours ago, Tom & Gerry said:

Frank Lampard is being muted and I know his record isn't great, but he's the type that does well here. Like Ball, Hoddle and Keoman he would have the respect of the players as an ex top player. Like nearly all our best managers he's had failures at other clubs but I think he could do a good job here.

Nail on head. Lampard like Koeman and hoddle would also command a great respect from the players .lampard is a intelligent guy who whilst not blessed with super physical attributes as a player still managed to be one of the best midfielders in the premiership.. that’s the kind of guy you want coaching your players 

Also whilst it seems all the rage to go for the upcoming manager like rohl who has no blemishes yet on his record it also makes him a hell of a lot more likely to get poached by a big club if he does do well then say the likes of lampard or cooper . I know some will point to that means he’s done a good job if that happens but surely it’s better to not have the disruption ?

[Dusic]

Maybe we missed our window of opportunity with Rohl. You don't often get a second chance if you are where we are in the food chain.

Hopefully with Spors in place we can at least be decisive, whatever that ends up being.

But please, not Wagner.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

I'm worried Rooney is out of a job...😅

Don't be...McDonalds are hiring.

[Miltonaggro]

Matt Hancock - Sport Republic to show some strategic ambition this time! 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Lampard? Too close to Uncle fucking Harry for my liking. And I’m out.

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Streaky said:

Carrick for me. Done well at Boro. Knows the league and would have the respect of the players. 

Outside of his first 6 months in charge of Boro, its been fairly average. Missed out on the playoffs last season and theres every chance they'll do the same again this season. Hardly a ringing endorsement when we need somebody to get us promoted.

[HKsaint]

Gary Monk with Beattie alongside, please.

[Maggie May]

Will Still for me.

[manji]

Edited Tuesday at 01:49 by manji

[Give it to Ron]

2 hours ago, manji said:

We have had chaos for the last 3 years why can’t we do sensible?

We had Poundland Pep, Taffy Nutter, Death Metal Clown(Aribo centre half!) isn’t it time we stopped trying to be clever and have some sanity ?

It’s my fault I hated Puel ! Careful what you wish for is so true but who would have thought our recruitment would be this bad since 2016.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Cooper ticks the most boxes for me.

He's experienced, successful and available.

[CB Fry]

Steve Cooper achieved as many points in his 12 games at Leicester as Saints have managed all season.

 

[benjii]

We'll have, possibly, the biggest budget in the league and some of the best players. 

We don't need some wanky bollocks philosophy manager. 

[Football Special]

52 minutes ago, benjii said:

We'll have, possibly, the biggest budget in the league and some of the best players. 

We don't need some wanky bollocks philosophy manager. 

Problem is we've had a wanky bollocks philosophy director in Ankerson as the driving force behind those appointments so need to keep him well away from the process 

[Football Special]

54 minutes ago, benjii said:

We'll have, possibly, the biggest budget in the league and some of the best players. 

We don't need some wanky bollocks philosophy manager. 

Also interesting point about budget, guess it depends how much we raise from sales , not sure how FFP works in EFL but teams coming up from league one (Birmingham and Wrexham) I expect to spend much more than average , could be a tough division 

[Mr Nimbus]

I dont really know too much about Rohl, other than what I have read on here. I think it will be him though based on all the noise, previous attempt at hiring him etc.

I've talked myself into Cooper though. I think we need to realise where we are and who we are.

No more Temu Man City, No more "Heavy Metal Football" No more philosophy's.

Just focus on being a team capable of challenging for the title next season, be humble and adaptable in the PL and build from there. Cooper ticks those boxes for me.

[saintant]

There remains an elephant in the room pushing levers and sticking his trunk where it's not wanted - Rasmus has not gone away and is likely to be in the ear of Spors.

[Matthew Le God]

51 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Also interesting point about budget, guess it depends how much we raise from sales , not sure how FFP works in EFL but teams coming up from league one (Birmingham and Wrexham) I expect to spend much more than average , could be a tough division 

It won't only be player sales, we have a massive financial advantage over 21 of the other clubs in terms of year 1 parachute payments allowing for a bigger wage budget. Plus bigger commercial and matchday income than the majority of the other clubs.

[Football Special]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

It won't only be player sales, we have a massive financial advantage over 21 of the other clubs in terms of year 1 parachute payments allowing for a bigger wage budget. Plus bigger commercial and matchday income than the majority of the other clubs.

Yes true, but if we're not able to shift some of our unwanted players we'll be using up some parachute payments paying inflated wages. 

I think we used loan market well in our last championship season, the likes of THB, Downes and Brooks , are we allowed 5 loans ? Hopefully can utilise that again 

Edited Tuesday at 08:10 by Football Special

[trousers]

18 minutes ago, saintant said:

There remains an elephant in the room pushing levers and sticking his trunk where it's not wanted - Rasmus has not gone away and is likely to be in the ear of Spors.

This 👆

[trousers]

6 hours ago, manji said:

Random punt or inside knowledge...?

[DT]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

There remains an elephant in the room pushing levers and sticking his trunk where it's not wanted - Rasmus has not gone away and is likely to be in the ear of Spors.

100% this. He is the main reason we are in this mess and needs to be sacked as soon as possible. His pathetic 'leftfield' appointments are all about him trying to ape the fluky success of Brentford in a bid to make him out to be some kind of contrarian genius. Instead we have had some of the worst managerial appointments in the history of Southampton FC, which has meant we have lurched from playing style to playing style, personality to personality, leaving all the players just confused. This has show itself on the field, where nobody knows what to do anymore.

We need to get this man out of the club. It is the only way we can move forward. 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

There remains an elephant in the room pushing levers and sticking his trunk where it's not wanted - Rasmus has not gone away and is likely to be in the ear of Spors.

Yep, and this may piss Spors off and he wants out leaving us with the utter cretin Ankerson again....

[Sevvy]

I don't care who we get,  as long as he can get our strikers to put the ball in the opponents net and our defender's to stop there attackers putting the ball in ours, 

[UpweySaint]

I would be happy with Rohl who has done a good job at Wednesday and is well thought of in the game. Wednesdays fans suggest he has them really well organised (true from the little I have seen of them this year) and punching above their weight. The past links to the club are a bonus as is a working relationship with Spors. Pissing off that prat Chansiri would be a nice fringe benefit!

 

Cooper has a good record and his work with England youth sides hopefully suggests an ability to nurture young talent. We have several England youth internationals which would suggest a promising crop of young talent. I’m a sucker for it but love seeing us bring our academy lads in to the fold. He has a very impressive promotion on his CV with Forest and is a tactical pragmatist. Probably something of a unity candidate.

Lampard I don’t mind. The Guardian football weekly podcast speculated he does his best when surrounded by good coaches and I have no issue with that. Koeman was a bit more hands off on the training pitches yet we were good under him - notwithstanding the quality we had at the time. Though I think he would do well to see things through at Coventry - if he can get them up in a year or two he will have rebuilt a reputation that was tarnished by Everton.

Rosenior I rate. Hull were mad to sack him. Hull took us apart a bit when we played we played them and he is doing a great job with Strasbourg. Given some of Spors’ comments I expect we will have a young side again which Rosenior has shown he can do well with. I think his possession based style may not fit with Spors vision though. Personally I’m less bothered about which style we play as long as we have results. I know Martin was divisive but some of our football last season was good to watch. I loved us under Poch though so if this is what Spors has in mind I am all on board.

I don’t want to see Robins, O’Neill or Gerrard who also seem to be reasonably high up with some of the bookies. Robins did well with Coventry but I think he is limited. The Wolves squad meltdown under O’Neill worried me - the pompey links are also not helpful. Gerrard - he’s shit.

If the Rusk/Lallana dream team pull off miracles I’m not opposed to them being given the gig but would prefer we go for established managers unless they inspire a turnaround of epic proportions…

I try to keep an open mind to foreign coaches I am less familiar after the Poch experience. Seeing Bournemouth under Iraola also demonstrates that the right coach can be truly transformative. Though of course for every Poch or Iraola there is a Pelligrino or a De Boer! There has been a lot of speculation around the likes of Knutsen and Hjulmand in the past - I haven’t seen enough of either to give an informed opinion.

 

 

[Midfield_General]

Rohl is the only name realistically in the frame according to the latest odds. He's at 4/7, and the next closest name (Rosenior) is way out at 12/1. 

Obviously the odds are based on where people are placing their money, but as it stands it looks like a one-horse race. 

You can get 18/1 on Cooper which seems a very generous price given he's out of work and would seem to be an obvious choice to shortlist: 

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20250407-next-southampton-manager-odds-who-is-the-favourite-to-replace-ivan-juric 

[Dman]

4 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Steve Cooper achieved as many points in his 12 games at Leicester as Saints have managed all season.

 

Disgustingly underrated manager. Mainly becuase he's ugly as fuck and doesn't play propaganda football. 

For any side hunting for Promotion or a newly promoted side could do a hell of a lot worse than appointing him. 

Nothing pretty, but sets the side up to gets points, not praise from hipsters on Twitter. 

Unfortunately I can't see us moving for him - would be a good candidate for Leeds if they don't go up or Ipswich if Mckenna moves on. 

[Charlie Wayman]

Anybody sitting outside SMS with binoculars? Potter's Heron is worth staking out as well. 

Mind you, if we can attract a manager of any description probably we'd want the whole world to know

[Sarnia Cherie]

8 hours ago, manji said:

He must tick a lot of boxes for SR. They are masters at creating chaos.

[Charlie Wayman]

36 minutes ago, Dman said:

Mainly becuase he's ugly as fuck and doesn't play propaganda football. 

 

Uncharacteristically poor personal comment from you. Shame.

 

Just spotted this on the BBC website

Jason Burt
Telegraph journalist on BBC Radio 5 Live

A good manager makes a huge difference. I rate Russell Martin very highly and he is a better manager than Southampton. He tried to implement a style that the players weren’t good enough to play. You could argue that he put himself first in doing that, by not changing his style. 

A good manager has got a very clear and practical way of playing. You have to implement your style with the players you have. That’s why Manchester United are suffering so badly at the moment under Ruben Amorim. 

A best measure of managerial success is – Is that player better than when they came to that club? Has the manager improved that player? Pep Guardiola is one of the best measures of that, he improves players no matter what the price tag.

Edited Tuesday at 10:58 by Charlie Wayman

[Jaime]

9 hours ago, manji said:

Rydstrom was high on the list of candidates for the Brighton job last summer. Not a manager I'm that familiar with. 

Personally, I favour Lampard or Carrick. Though, I'm beginning to think Coopeer is a solid, steady appointment.

[miserableoldgit]

23 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Uncharacteristically poor personal comment from you. Shame.

 

Just spotted this on the BBC website

 

Jason Burt
Telegraph journalist on BBC Radio 5 Live

A good manager makes a huge difference. I rate Russell Martin very highly and he is a better manager than Southampton. He tried to implement a style that the players weren’t good enough to play. You could argue that he put himself first in doing that, by not changing his style. 

A good manager has got a very clear and practical way of playing. You have to implement your style with the players you have. That’s why Manchester United are suffering so badly at the moment under Ruben Amorim. 

A best measure of managerial success is – Is that player better than when they came to that club? Has the manager improved that player? Pep Guardiola is one of the best measures of that, he improves players no matter what the price tag.

So RM failed because he was too good for us?? Is that what he is saying?

[Midfield_General]

Blindly trying to implement a style of play without being able to see that your players aren't good enough to play it doesn't make you a good manager, it makes you a shit one. 

Good managers adapt, find a way to win and carve success out of what they've got, not what they wish they had. 

[tdmickey3]

8 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

So RM failed because he was too good for us?? Is that what he is saying?

Yep so good, he`s getting inundated with job offers.....Oh wait

[Convict Colony]

11 hours ago, manji said:

Yeah I remember us talking about him I think when we last searching before martin

His way of playing is crazy, I love it am sure I posted a good analysis of how he gets his teams to play.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/henrik-rydstrom-kalmar-ff-tactical-analysis-tactics

If Martin was to risky for our supporters I'm not sure they would cope with Rudstrom 🤣🤣 

Edit - posted link

Edited Tuesday at 13:21 by Convict Colony

[Convict Colony]

3 hours ago, saintant said:

There remains an elephant in the room pushing levers and sticking his trunk where it's not wanted - Rasmus has not gone away and is likely to be in the ear of Spors.

Think Dragans foot is going to be firmly up the arse of Rasmus if he does that.

[miserableoldgit]

15 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep so good, he`s getting inundated with job offers.....Oh wait

TBF, he MAY not be able to, or not want to take another job while we are paying him off......

[miserableoldgit]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep, and this may piss Spors off and he wants out leaving us with the utter cretin Ankerson again....

We just have to hope that Spors is in a position to, and be strong enough, to be able to tell RA to piss off as required.

[miserableoldgit]

38 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Yeah I remember us talking about him I think when we last searching before martin

His way of playing is crazy, I love it am sure I posted a good analysis of how he gets his teams to play.

If Martin was to risky for our supporters I'm not sure they would cope with Rudstrom 🤣🤣

I think that I would take unpredictable craziness over the robotic RM type of football.......could be very entertaining!!!

[for_heaven's_Saint]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

A best measure of managerial success is – Is that player better than when they came to that club? Has the manager improved that player? Pep Guardiola is one of the best measures of that, he improves players no matter what the price tag.

Pep has managed Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Manchester City.  Not sure he's ever had to prove he can improve cheap players!

[aintforever]

Cooper for me, he has experience of getting promoted out of the Championship which will help for a club in our situation, plus I think he’s the sort of personality we need to change the mentality of the players.

I would go for someone who knows the league and knows how to get out of it, not a young manager or foreigner on a learning curve.

[John Boy Saint]

1 hour ago, miserableoldgit said:

TBF, he MAY not be able to, or not want to take another job while we are paying him off......

That might well be the case, the amount we are paying him off might well be more than what other clubs are willing to pay him to get out of bed in the morning. Having seen some of the madcappery SR seem to apply to business, I could imagine his contract extension, having just gotten us promoted to the Premier League, upped his remuneration handsomely.    

[Mr Brightside]

Interesting to see Chris Davies is quite high up on some of the bookies lists. Not sure if there is anything in it, haven’t seen any rumours. Would be an interesting choice though not sure he’d want it given where he is. Also on a long contract I think. 

Anyway, Cooper would be my first choice. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

So RM failed because he was too good for us?? Is that what he is saying?

‘He’ being Russell Martin.

[manji]

5 hours ago, Football Special said:

Also interesting point about budget, guess it depends how much we raise from sales , not sure how FFP works in EFL but teams coming up from league one (Birmingham and Wrexham) I expect to spend much more than average , could be a tough division 

Wrexham is a team to watch out. I had a sort of respect for them as an outsider club but that’s all gone out the window sure there’s been plenty of vaguely celeb managers from Elton John to *Sir Jimmy* Ratcliffe but I loathe the disneyfication of Wrexham.

 

I only posted Henrik Rydstrom up because of previous links with him and and a piece of unverified gossip I heard late last night and when you read about him he’s  about letting players have freedom on pitch ( within reason ) the more I read about the more I like the sound of him. Sure some on hear have little respect for my opinions but the trusting players to make decisions ( crazy stuf like taking a shot at goal ) sounds a great idea. 

[Convict Colony]

9 minutes ago, manji said:

I only posted Henrik Rydstrom up because of previous links with him and and a piece of unverified gossip I heard late last night and when you read about him he’s  about letting players have freedom on pitch ( within reason ) the more I read about the more I like the sound of him. Sure some on hear have little respect for my opinions but the trusting players to make decisions ( crazy stuf like taking a shot at goal ) sounds a great idea. 

In today's environment this is revolutionary.

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Steve Cooper achieved as many points in his 12 games at Leicester as Saints have managed all season.

 

He’s also won more premier league games at St Mary’s than Lego head. 

[Convict Colony]

Am sure Steve Cooper is a good coach and a nice guy but I just can't get past Sloth from the goonies.

 

[Matthew Le God]

Triplets with Ian Dowie?