Will we avoid beating Derby's record?

[SaintsBarry74]

9 games to go. Surely there's another 3 points out there?

Edited Tuesday at 17:19 by SaintsBarry74

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Hard to imagine an opponent conceding more own goals than we gift their attack.

[LGTL]

I can’t see us beating it. Then again I’m a misery and have been saying it since about August. 

Edited Tuesday at 17:42 by LGTL

[Colinjb]

I almost don't want us to avoid it. This has been so terrible a season it would at least be an odd, macabre badge of 'honour.'

[Midfield_General]

On the last day of the season, having been relegated in April, we'll stuff an on-the-beach Arsenal 3-0 out of nowhere with a pressure-off, free-flowing, virtuoso display in front of a rocking St Mary's. SR will say that 'all the hard work behind the scenes is paying off' and that 'we've finally turned a corner', and will reward Juric with a new 4-year contract. 

Then we'll have a terrible start to the Championship and they'll have to sack him in October. 

Edited Tuesday at 19:44 by Midfield_General

[SaintsBarry74]

2 hours ago, Colinjb said:

I almost don't want us to avoid it. This has been so terrible a season it would at least be an odd, macabre badge of 'honour.'

This would be worse than our two 0-9s.

[Maggie May]

2 hours ago, Colinjb said:

I almost don't want us to avoid it. This has been so terrible a season it would at least be an odd, macabre badge of 'honour.'

Derby have never shaken it off and not returned to the Premier League since. 

[Miltonaggro]

They’ll probably beat us on goal difference, knowing Saints! 

[trousers]

32 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Derby have never shaken it off and not returned to the Premier League since. 

Yep, this. It's a well known fact that any club that gets a record low points total in the premier league won't get promoted again for at least another seventeen year. We're doomed!

Edited Tuesday at 20:52 by trousers

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

They’ll probably beat us on goal difference, knowing Saints! 

Only another 21 goals to go...

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

34 minutes ago, trousers said:

Only another 21 goals to go...

 

We'll never score... oh concede? ... not a problem. 🙂

[Sarnia Cherie]

Barring miracles the only likely game is Leicester, although if that cretinous little pixie Vardy has anything to do with it he will make it his business to score a hat trick. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

On the last day of the season, having been relegated in April, we'll stuff an on-the-beach Arsenal 3-0 out of nowhere with a pressure-off, free-flowing, virtuoso display in front of a rocking St Mary's. SR will say that 'all the hard work behind the scenes is paying off' and that 'we've finally turned a corner', and will reward Juric with a new 4-year contract. 

Then we'll have a terrible start to the Championship and they'll have to sack him in October. 

Works for me.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

2 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

This would be worse than our two 0-9s.

This.

It's unthinkable.

Other teams will be beaten 9-0 probably double figure defeat. It'll happen.

However a team getting less than 11 points in a Premier League season will NEVER be bettered. It will never leave us.

The blue shite down the road will own us for YEARS on this. Certainly at least everyone on this forums lifetimes (I'm late 30's).

It's the absolute unthinkable.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

This.

It's unthinkable.

Other teams will be beaten 9-0 probably double figure defeat. It'll happen.

However a team getting less than 11 points in a Premier League season will NEVER be bettered. It will never leave us.

The blue shite down the road will own us for YEARS on this. Certainly at least everyone on this forums lifetimes (I'm late 30's).

It's the absolute unthinkable.

Start preparing - it’s unfortunately going to happen. We’re THAT bad…players don’t give a toss…Manager is beaten and fucking miserable. It’ll take a miracle.

[Football Special]

12 hours ago, Colinjb said:

I almost don't want us to avoid it. This has been so terrible a season it would at least be an odd, macabre badge of 'honour.'

I think you are right, this team and management are worthy of being remembered as the "worst team of all time" , it's a shame for the fans though who backed the club in record numbers and have to put up with the stick from other fans all the time, it's bad enough with the 9-0s. 

For me it's just such a shame, I saw the pride in the club and the city last summer,  was great to see , and all of that has been unravelled 

[Football Special]

9 hours ago, trousers said:

Yep, this. It's a well known fact that any club that gets a record low points total in the premier league won't get promoted again for at least another seventeen year. We're doomed!

I think the psychological damage of continuous defeats will take a while to shake off and I don't see the clubs management as being capable to make the right appointments or recruitment to turn it around enough in the summer 

[Football Special]

I'm expecting our fans to start singing "worst team in Premier league history,  you'll never sing that" 

[Lighthouse]

10 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

This.

It's unthinkable.

Other teams will be beaten 9-0 probably double figure defeat. It'll happen.

However a team getting less than 11 points in a Premier League season will NEVER be bettered. It will never leave us.

The blue shite down the road will own us for YEARS on this. Certainly at least everyone on this forums lifetimes (I'm late 30's).

It's the absolute unthinkable.

If we can do it, so can anyone else. The gulf between PL and the Championship is getting wider, teams like Spurs and Man U are getting shuffled down to 13/14th, whilst Bournemouth are having the season of their lives and could easily finish bottom half.

We were a decent team last year, basically matching automatic promotion form after a dodgy start. If some team scrapes into sixth, then flukes the playoffs one year, they could be on the wrong end of 5/6-0 every week.

[OldNick]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

I think the psychological damage of continuous defeats will take a while to shake off and I don't see the clubs management as being capable to make the right appointments or recruitment to turn it around enough in the summer 

Will the players want to get promoted (this squad) as the scars will still be there.

After the Play off final I was stood at the railway station and said to the Leeds fans there,'at least you will have an enjoyable season next year' they thought we'd be fine. They will find the truth out when they get there

[leesaint88]

47 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Will the players want to get promoted (this squad) as the scars will still be there.

After the Play off final I was stood at the railway station and said to the Leeds fans there,'at least you will have an enjoyable season next year' they thought we'd be fine. They will find the truth out when they get there

'If' they get there, like the psychological damage of us becoming the ultimate top flight bin juice. Leeds have a knack of ballsing things up.

[saintstowin]

I can see 9 being all we get. So many wrong things during games and players/manager are lost/caring less each week. 

I agree the gap is widening. And I know our problems this season aren't unique to us.

But I find it hard to see how the perfect storm - poor preparation, initial arrogance and seeming refusal to change, terrible recruitment throughout, then essentially giving up after Christmas - will be suffered by other teams, even if on paper they are not competitive.

You have to be so, so bad to get only 9 points.

[saintant]

Ivan is welded to 5 at the back which makes us very weak and short of numbers in midfield so it's hard to see where 3 more points are coming from. He needs to try something different that gives us more presence in midfield.

[Sunglasses Ron]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

If we can do it, so can anyone else. The gulf between PL and the Championship is getting wider, teams like Spurs and Man U are getting shuffled down to 13/14th, whilst Bournemouth are having the season of their lives and could easily finish bottom half.

We were a decent team last year, basically matching automatic promotion form after a dodgy start. If some team scrapes into sixth, then flukes the playoffs one year, they could be on the wrong end of 5/6-0 every week.

Agreed.  Unless something changes, I can only see the issue of promoted teams struggling getting worse and worse.

Whilst our dismal showing this season will be of varying amusement to other fans, this is a damning reminder of the current state of the Premier League.  Granted, we have some dreadful / clueless personnel within our club, but I definitely wouldn't rule out lightening striking again in the not-too-distant future.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Ivan is welded to 5 at the back which makes us very weak and short of numbers in midfield so it's hard to see where 3 more points are coming from. He needs to try something different that gives us more presence in midfield.

That’s his fundamental problem.

[leesaint88]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

If we can do it, so can anyone else. The gulf between PL and the Championship is getting wider, teams like Spurs and Man U are getting shuffled down to 13/14th, whilst Bournemouth are having the season of their lives and could easily finish bottom half.

We were a decent team last year, basically matching automatic promotion form after a dodgy start. If some team scrapes into sixth, then flukes the playoffs one year, they could be on the wrong end of 5/6-0 every week.

Maybe, but I still think someone like Blackburn with sod all investment would still manage to get more than 9 points. There is a mentality problem with this lot, there is no energy and they just can't be arsed. 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Ivan is welded to 5 at the back which makes us very weak and short of numbers in midfield so it's hard to see where 3 more points are coming from. He needs to try something different that gives us more presence in midfield.

What I don't get is that he did do that, and it was largely successful, but he bizarrely never went back to it.

He changed to four at the back and an extra man in midfield at Liverpool, and away from home at one of the best teams in the world we did really well, took the lead and generally looked like much more of a competent football team than we have all season. We actually acquitted ourselves really well in that game despite losing it. 

But despite that, he completely changed it again the next week, and we haven't gone back to it. And lo and behold, we instantly went to absolute dogshit again. 

Why on earth would you do that? Surely the thickest person on the planet would think 'that was a lot better, we should keep doing that and maybe we can build on it.'

It just doesn't make any sense at all. His decisions defy logic or common sense and that's why as far as I'm concerned he can go with the rest of them and let's just start completely afresh next year. New players, new coach, new sporting director, new league, let's have it. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Midfield_General

[obelisk]

The optimist in me suspects there's still a win to be had somewhere in the remaining games even if it's during the party/wake atmosphere against Arsenal right at the end.

The realist in me worries that the team has acquired a losing mentality that'll linger well into next season. Learning how to win games again might not be easy after this season's farce.

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Ivan is welded to 5 at the back which makes us very weak and short of numbers in midfield so it's hard to see where 3 more points are coming from. He needs to try something different that gives us more presence in midfield.

Heavy metal pun... intended?? 😂

[Tommy Mulgrew]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

Ivan is welded to 5 at the back which makes us very weak and short of numbers in midfield so it's hard to see where 3 more points are coming from. He needs to try something different that gives us more presence in midfield.

 

37 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

What I don't get is that he did do that, and it was largely successful, but he bizarrely never went back to it.

He changed to four at the back and an extra man in midfield at Liverpool, and away from home at one of the best teams in the world we did really well, took the lead and generally looked like much more of a competent football team than we have all season. We actually acquitted ourselves really well in that game despite losing it. 

But despite that, he completely changed it again the next week, and we haven't gone back to it. And lo and behold, we instantly went to absolute dogshit again. 

Why on earth would you do that? Surely the thickest person on the planet would think 'that was a lot better, we should keep doing that and maybe we can build on it.'

It just doesn't make any sense at all. His decisions defy logic or common sense and that's why as far as I'm concerned he can go with the rest of them and let's just start completely afresh next year. New players, new coach, new sporting director, new league, let's have it. 

Hard to disagree with that, MG and SA.

[Chez]

Other than leicester, is there a team in our run in that is remotely struggling for results or goals? They all look daunting to me. We could park the bus and hope for the best, but the opponents would still have to perform poorly, like Fulham did, for us to keep a clean sheet. There is always hope that we score first and hold out for a long period in a game I suppose. 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Other than leicester, is there a team in our run in that is remotely struggling for results or goals? They all look daunting to me. We could park the bus and hope for the best, but the opponents would still have to perform poorly, like Fulham did, for us to keep a clean sheet. There is always hope that we score first and hold out for a long period in a game I suppose. 

We've basically got to stop thinking of ourselves as a Premier league club and approach each game like a cup tie , you never know could cause an upset 

[SaintsBarry74]

19 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

This.

It's unthinkable.

Other teams will be beaten 9-0 probably double figure defeat. It'll happen.

However a team getting less than 11 points in a Premier League season will NEVER be bettered. It will never leave us.

The blue shite down the road will own us for YEARS on this. Certainly at least everyone on this forums lifetimes (I'm late 30's).

It's the absolute unthinkable.

Exactly. Getting beaten 9-0 once might happen to any club, especially with the widening PL-Championship gap. But twice in a short span? That's our unique "achievement" that'll likely stand forever alongside beating Derby's dismal record, if it gets to that. 

I'm amazed how our fanbase just shrugs it off these days. I can imagine many other fanbases would have pitchforks at the ready, prepared to burn St Mary's to the ground were it them.

Have we become so numb to footballing catastrophe that we now greet historic thrashings and other dismal records with a cup of tea and a resigned "typical Saints"?