Rangers Banner

[Sir Ralph]

So Rangers fans have a banner which says "Keep woke foreign ideologies out - defend Europe."

But UEFA says that the banner is discriminatory and racist - how exactly? How is the banner discriminatory?

Uefa charges Rangers over 'shameful' anti-woke banner - BBC Sport

[whelk]

I can imagine what sort of cunt gets a banner made up to say that 

[Weston Super Saint]

21 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So Rangers fans have a banner which says "Keep woke foreign ideologies out - defend Europe."

But UEFA says that the banner is discriminatory and racist - how exactly? How is the banner discriminatory?

Uefa charges Rangers over 'shameful' anti-woke banner - BBC Sport

I assume the reference to the word 'foreign' in the manner they are implying would be enough to deem it racist....

[Sir Ralph]

35 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I assume the reference to the word 'foreign' in the manner they are implying would be enough to deem it racist....

Pretty tenuous if thats what they are saying. If that is the case it probably shows that UEFA is woke, hence their objection to the banner.

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[The Kraken]

Political correctness gone mad. Next thing you know they’ll be taking away my “ain’t no black in the Union Jack” banner.

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Political correctness gone mad. Next thing you know they’ll be taking away my “ain’t no black in the Union Jack” banner.

Fucking snowflakes.

[Gloucester Saint]

27 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Pretty tenuous if thats what they are saying. If that is the case it probably shows that UEFA is woke, hence their objection to the banner.

Or they just don’t want a very group of twats at a club with serious sectarian issues and umpteen fines and stadium closures putting up more banners with sod all to do with football, yet again. 

If you want to watch football, go to a football stadium. If you want to indulge in extremist politics, go along to a political rally with like minded  people and have a kick off with the other side and the cops.

The same hypocrites will no doubt cheer when one of Rangers’ black players scores a goal yet it’s very obvious that BLM is the ‘foreign’ ‘woke’ ideology they are referring to. Just show yourselves for what you are and put an EDL/National Front flag up. Give it to the ‘Remainers, Lefties, and SNP’ in one go.

Fascism, Marxism, Populism are all ‘foreign’ ideologies from outside the UK. I doubt if they are referring to any of those. 

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[Lighthouse]

No place for this in football. I’d hate to think that intolerance could creep into our major tournaments, in Russia, Qatar, USA and Saudi Arabia.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No place for this in football. I’d hate to think that intolerance could creep into our major tournaments, in Russia, Qatar, USA and Saudi Arabia.

This does highlight the differences between UEFA and FIFA. 

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Or they just don’t want a very group of twats at a club with serious sectarian issues and umpteen fines and stadium closures putting up more banners with sod all to do with football, yet again. 

If you want to watch football, go to a football stadium. If you want to indulge in extremist politics, go along to a political rally with like minded  people and have a kick off with the other side and the cops.

The same hypocrites will no doubt cheer when one of Rangers’ black players scores a goal yet it’s very obvious that BLM is the ‘foreign’ ‘woke’ ideology they are referring to. Just show yourselves for what you are and put an EDL/National Front flag up. Give it to the ‘Remainers, Lefties, and SNP’ in one go.

Fascism, Marxism, Populism are all ‘foreign’ ideologies from outside the UK. I doubt if they are referring to any of those. 

Not sure the sweatiest can be in the 'E'DL??

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

Not sure the sweatiest can be in the 'E'DL??

The hardcore sectarian element can and do. They tend to support England in international football as well. 

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Or they just don’t want a very group of twats at a club with serious sectarian issues and umpteen fines and stadium closures putting up more banners with sod all to do with football, yet again. 

If you want to watch football, go to a football stadium. If you want to indulge in extremist politics, go along to a political rally with like minded  people and have a kick off with the other side and the cops.

The same hypocrites will no doubt cheer when one of Rangers’ black players scores a goal yet it’s very obvious that BLM is the ‘foreign’ ‘woke’ ideology they are referring to. Just show yourselves for what you are and put an EDL/National Front flag up. Give it to the ‘Remainers, Lefties, and SNP’ in one go.

Fascism, Marxism, Populism are all ‘foreign’ ideologies from outside the UK. I doubt if they are referring to any of those. 

Lots of speculation behind the meaning of what they may possibly be potentially saying.

However, I deal in facts and the point is that the words aren't discriminatory and UEFA have clearly overstretched themselves cause it doesnt fit with their agenda. A lot of speculation in these posts but no real response which addressed the original question.  If the only answer is that they used the word 'foreign' thats frankly embarrassing and reinforces the purpose of the banner.

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[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Lots of speculation behind the meaning of what they may possibly be potentially saying.

However, I deal in facts and the point is that the words aren't discriminatory and UEFA have clearly overstretched themselves cause it doesnt fit with their agenda. A lot of speculation in these posts but no real response which addressed the original question.  If the only answer is that they used the word 'foreign' thats frankly embarrassing and reinforces the purpose of the banner.

Interesting that you think there’s nothing at all wrong with the banner yet the link you provided shows that Rangers themselves find the charge “deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing”, they have no intention of contesting it and seem prepared for the penalty that will come from it. Maybe Rangers have got an agenda too and are overstretching themselves.

[Sir Ralph]

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[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Interesting that you think there’s nothing at all wrong with the banner yet the link you provided shows that Rangers themselves find the charge “deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing”, they have no intention of contesting it and seem prepared for the penalty that will come from it. Maybe Rangers have got an agenda too and are overstretching themselves.

What wording in the banner is discriminatory please? Also I dont think the establishment of Rangers are held in high regard. 

The other actions by the fans in relation to missiles, etc clearly cant be condoned but they have been charged for the banner. Again, the question please?

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[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

What wording in the banner is discriminatory please?

I feel like I’d be wasting my time explaining it and further.  Most others seem to get it, including the club that has been charged and basically accepted they’re at fault.

[Sir Ralph]

16 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I feel like I’d be wasting my time explaining it and further.  Most others seem to get it, including the club that has been charged and basically accepted they’re at fault.

You havent explained it and wont waste your time  because the only answer is the use of the word 'foreign'. Sorry you cant make lots of comments about these people being extreme racists and then not justify your position on why their banner is so terrible.

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[The Kraken]

Down with woke!

Those tofu eating wokerati. Grrrrrr.

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, The Kraken said:

Down with woke!

Those tofu eating wokerati. Grrrrrr.

This doesnt surprise me - whenever the wokerati (your words) are confronted with direct questions they deflect. Again the question......

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Down with woke!

Those tofu eating wokerati. Grrrrrr.

With their ideologies invading Europe. What defence do we have?

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This doesnt surprise me - whenever the wokerati (your words) are confronted with direct questions they deflect. Again the question......

Out of interest did you support the Burnley “white lives matter” plane banner?

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Out of interest did you support the Burnley “white lives matter” plane banner?

I think neither the WLM or BLM banners are helpful. Can you answer my question though? I’m finding it really difficult that there appears to be no explanation? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Lots of deflecting and speculation. No facts. It’s interesting 

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[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Out of interest did you support the Burnley “white lives matter” plane banner?

Who is Ley and why does he/she/them deserve to be burned?

Now you mention it when will Blackburns racist name be made to change? 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

I think neither the WLM or BLM banners are helpful. Can you answer my question though? I’m finding it really difficult that there appears to be no explanation? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Some examples of what they may be objecting to a woke ideology might be: can’t take the piss out of a trans person, can’t insult a gay person, laugh at a fat person, can’t complain that someone with disabilities got a job, can’t pull an immigrant from their car, torch hotels where they might be staying. I’m only guessing mind.

[aintforever]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I think neither the WLM or BLM banners are helpful. Can you answer my question though? I’m finding it really difficult that there appears to be no explanation? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Lots of deflecting and speculation. No facts. It’s interesting 

Why don’t you go on a Rangers forum, I expect they would have a better idea.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Or they just don’t want a very group of twats at a club with serious sectarian issues and umpteen fines and stadium closures putting up more banners with sod all to do with football, yet again. 

If you want to watch football, go to a football stadium. If you want to indulge in extremist politics, go along to a political rally with like minded  people and have a kick off with the other side and the cops.

The same hypocrites will no doubt cheer when one of Rangers’ black players scores a goal yet it’s very obvious that BLM is the ‘foreign’ ‘woke’ ideology they are referring to. Just show yourselves for what you are and put an EDL/National Front flag up. Give it to the ‘Remainers, Lefties, and SNP’ in one go.

Fascism, Marxism, Populism are all ‘foreign’ ideologies from outside the UK. I doubt if they are referring to any of those. 

Don't disagree with that but then people weren't so keen on that argument when players were kneeling all over the place for months on end because some black man died in America. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Out of interest did you support the Burnley “white lives matter” plane banner?

It's OK to be white whelk. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Peev out of the way first.

The Beeb headline is "Rangers embarrassed by 'shameful' banner after Uefa charges"

The Rangers statement did not call the banner "shameful"

The word "shameful" was around them being in a position to face a UEFA charge.

"For the club to be charged with such a matter in 2025 is shameful," it said.

It's an annoyance because the headline is inaccurate. Where there are inaccuracies, there is room for an interpretation of bias. 

Needlessly so, as Rangers were very clear about what they thought of the people involved.

"...disdain for those responsible will be shared by the overwhelming majority of our supporters."

"For the avoidance of doubt, if you do not believe in 2025 that absolutely everyone is welcome to follow Rangers whether at Ibrox or away, then Rangers is not the club for you, and you should disassociate yourself with the club immediately."

Their statement went on to list a number of other incidents that could/will/have brought sanctions.

A lot of Rangers supporters have no idea what the banner meant either. Mainly, because they don't think along the lines of the people responsible for it. What it's in response to could be a Muslim related (they held an end of Ramadan event) or a rainbow flag thing (one was displayed at some point), or support for broader "anti-woke" movements, for reasons known only to the people behind it.  

The "foreign out" followed by "defend Europe" is going to be interpreted as racism, whatever the reasons they may have had. Pretty much all with an opinion think whatever it was stupid, done by a tiny minority of people that don't speak for them, and they, and the club are more that tired of them.

The club has had plenty of issues with some of their support. They know the rules and likely repercussions, but a minority still do it. The statement asking them to kindly sod off indicates the end to whatever patience they have, is getting closer.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

I think neither the WLM or BLM banners are helpful. Can you answer my question though? I’m finding it really difficult that there appears to be no explanation? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Lots of deflecting and speculation. No facts. It’s interesting 

Because you are using it as an example totally out of context. If you know anything about Scotland and NI, and the history of sectarianism, there’s been serious issues at both Old Firm of really vile chanting. And I mean far worse than some of the Liverpool-Man U stuff.

I’m not repeating the word on here, but there’s one beginning with F that is used as a collective noun for Catholic people. H&W and other posters on here will know what it is, what it means and why I’ve not used it. Celtic fans have sung some disgusting songs as well. Both had big fines, closed doors matches imposed by UEFA.

Things rarely seen in England post-Heysel. We’re not talking banter. One of my former senior leaders at work left Glasgow when his then little daughter came home from school and asked what certain sectarian words meant including the one above that were heard in the playground. That was a spur to move his family to live and work away from bigotry.

Whether ‘foreign’ is Catholic, BLM, whatever these morons had in mind, it’s 100% about politics and 0% about football. The message from UEFA and the clearly tired and irritated club is ‘go on an Orange Order match or with Tommy Robinson’s lot instead. But stay away from our football club and our community’.

If I were the Scottish Government, I’d offer them re-settlement in America. Much more their type of place at the moment. There’s no place for them if they can’t accept that Scotland, Northern Ireland and the UK has moved on socially without them.

Edited March 19 by Gloucester Saint