Saints 1-2 Wolves - Match Thread

[rooney]

3 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Now??

Yes as we used to start the game with strikers.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 minute ago, Cabrone said:

9 games left to get 3 points.....

Not sure we can do it.

Look at the games we’ve played, how many points we have and ask which of the remaining games we score in, let alone win. Yep, not happening is it.

[SNSUN]

45 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

I'm still hoping for a 3-2 to make my 7 quid bet worthwhile. My daughter's dinner depends on it. 😃

Bloody Saints...

[Zorba]

1 minute ago, SNSUN said:

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard 

Martin is better tham Jurs

[davefizzy14]

Absolute joke that Juric didn't start a striker. It was obvious that Onuachu should have started.

Edited Saturday at 17:15 by davefizzy14

[OneMrsWallace]

2 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

9 games left to get 3 points.....

Not sure we can do it.

Only way we're getting points is if the opposition go down to nine and the ref gives us two penalties at 0-0 in the 90th and 91st minutes. That way, we'd probably keep it down to 2-2. 

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Look at the games we’ve played, how many points we have and ask which of the remaining games we score in, let alone win. Yep, not happening is it.

I would say Leicester is our only winable game but our record against them is appalling. So unless we somehow sneak a few draws then no, it's not. 

[Saint NL]

Anyone got the stats for the worst three promoted teams? 

All three are absolute shite. McKennas reputation has fallen through the floor.

[Wade Garrett]

Left on 70 minutes.

Spors needs to sack Juric today and let Rusk and Lallana see the season through.

The team selection, tactics, formation and substitutions were fucking ridiculous.

In short, Juric is a fucking useless cunt.

[LGTL]

12 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Pretty sure a Martin Saints team would have beaten that Wolves side (based on what i saw at least...)

Dead right. Just like we beat them away with Russ…. Oh. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Left on 70 minutes.

Spors needs to sack Juric today and let Rusk and Lallana see the season through.

The team selection, tactics, formation and substitutions were fucking ridiculous.

In short, Juric is a fucking useless cunt.

And who was saying it couldn't get any worse...

[BranfootsLoveChild]

I genuinely think that all the season ticketholders should be given free season tickets next season for sitting through this shite every game. And seriously reduced championship ticket prices next season for what we've endured this season. 

Edited Saturday at 17:20 by BranfootsLoveChild

[miserableoldgit]

10 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard 

[SNSUN]

At least we have a nice break now until our next inevitable defeat. 

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Left on 70 minutes.

Spors needs to sack Juric today and let Rusk and Lallana see the season through.

The team selection, tactics, formation and substitutions were fucking ridiculous.

In short, Juric is a fucking useless cunt.

Why would you think those two would be in any way an improvement?

[captainchris]

There is no point what so ever in keeping this manager. Yet another one that makes weird incomprehensible decisions and doesn’t carry the players with him not surprisingly.

Can we not get a manager who can have a degree of critical thinking, it would not be hard to discover this during interview process before employing managers who’s only tactical awareness is to press the repeat button a hundred times and expect a different result.

The owner really does need to show some serious leadership here and start next year now!

The levels displayed by everyone connected to the first team are laughable amateur. Time for radical change and prepare for next season starting with the next game.

Edited Saturday at 17:37 by captainchris

[davefizzy14]

And reverting to five at the back again, why? Completely hampered us going forward.

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And who was saying it couldn't get any worse...

It's just stayed the same.

Your boy Martin was just as shit with his own hand picked team, a full pre season and players signed up to his system, his process.

Juric had none of that - he inherited a sack of shit not of his making.

We can lose every single game for the rest of the season but even if we do, that doesn't change the fact that Russell Martin was fucking shit.

Edited Saturday at 17:25 by CB Fry

[Wade Garrett]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And who was saying it couldn't get any worse...

Thanks Farmer, I value your opinion.

[Wade Garrett]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Why would you think those two would be in any way an improvement?

They might start with a centre forward and a formation that everyone can understand.

They might not sub our best player off at half-time.  

They might not bring a centre back on for the final few minutes when we’re chasing the game.
 

 

[SNSUN]

3 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

And reverting to five at the back again, why? Completely hampered us going forward.

With one of the smallest players in our squad as one of the centre backs. The game we probably should've played 3 CBs we played a back 4 and today we revert back to a back 3 in a game we probably didn't need to. Yes the players are not good enough but the manager's team selections and formations are bonkers. 

[woodsaint1]

Juric has managed to make us worse. An incredible achievement. Sack the dickhead now

[Teamsaint1]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

They might start with a centre forward and a formation that everyone can understand.

They might not sub our best player off at half-time.  

They might not bring a centre back on for the final few minutes when we’re chasing the game.
 

 

Yep. They might do the things that poor teams need to do in order to occasionally beat better teams.

simple tactics, settled back four, play to what few strengths you have, keep  every game as tight as possible for as long as possible.

The skate bishop ( sorry) put it well last week when he said that they back themselves to force the other team to make mistakes. I mean, we shouldn’t be taking lessons from them obviously, but his point was a good one. 

Edited Saturday at 17:31 by Teamsaint1

[Sarnia Cherie]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

It's a valid point of view, but so is the opposite point of view. I don't see the point of keeping a manager in his position if it's obvious that he's not up to the job. Swings and roundabouts.

Who would want to come here for the few remaining games of the season? Saints are too far gone now for any hope of escaping the drop. Let's put up with Juric but he must go as soon as the season is over. 

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Why would you think those two would be in any way an improvement?

You get rid of someone if they're not up to the job and worry about who comes after separately....

[trousers]

12 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And who was saying it couldn't get any worse...

House!

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, trousers said:

You get rid of someone if they're not up to the job and worry about who comes after separately....

The two games Rusk managed we actually looked like we had a plan in both games. That's something at least. 

[revolution saint]

Honestly can’t be arsed to go to any more games this season. It’s turgid shit. Might go to the last game but that’s about it

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Who would want to come here for the few remaining games of the season? Saints are too far gone now for any hope of escaping the drop. Let's put up with Juric but he must go as soon as the season is over. 

I dunno, get the tea lady in, but if it's time for someone to go then it's time to go, regardless of how many games are left and who might or might not step in... Imho of course

Edited Saturday at 17:33 by trousers

[CB Fry]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Why would you think those two would be in any way an improvement?

Is keeping Juric going to turn us into Barcelona for the rest of the season?

[miserableoldgit]

3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

They might start with a centre forward and a formation that everyone can understand.

They might not sub our best player off at half-time.  

They might not bring a centre back on for the final few minutes when we’re chasing the game.
 

 

Whilst I am not even remotely saying that Rusk is the answer to our issues, we did at least look more organised when he was in charge for a couple of games. I also accept that this was immediately after RM left. Since then things have worsened 100 fold. team morale must be below ground level, and his job would be that much harder.

[macca155]

That game was lost by Juric or at least made significantly harder.

Reverting back to his abysmal defensive formation was inexcusable.

Dibling and Sugawara just got in each other's way. Dibling came alive when Sugawara went off. Mainly because he could play wide and that's were he is effective.

I assume Fernades was injured. He needed to be replaced by Downes and let Joe play further forward. Take off a defender at that point as well.

Stephens up front was the crowning glory.

Get rid of him and just start the rebuild.

[Wade Garrett]

Just now, miserableoldgit said:

Whilst I am not even remotely saying that Rusk is the answer to our issues, we did at least look more organised when he was in charge for a couple of games. I also accept that this was immediately after RM left. Since then things have worsened 100 fold. team morale must be below ground level, and his job would be that much harder.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a magic wand but we will not get any better if we stick with Juric.  His team set-up, tactics and the performance of the players is a total shambles.

[miserableoldgit]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a magic wand but we will not get any better if we stick with Juric.  His team set-up, tactics and the performance of the players is a total shambles.

Don't disagree. At any other club, Juric would have been sacked before now.....mind you, at any other club, RM would have been gone long before he was....but we aren't any club, obviously......

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

You get rid of someone if they're not up to the job and worry about who comes after separately....

Juric has managed other clubs our size with a reasonable degree of success. Neither Rusk nor Lallana has anything on their CV above National League level. This is just people wanting change for the sake of change with no idea of how or why there’d be any improvement. It’d be a pointless waste of money.

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Juric has managed other clubs our size with a reasonable degree of success. Neither Rusk nor Lallana has anything on their CV above National League level. This is just people wanting change for the sake of change with no idea of how or why there’d be any improvement. It’d be a pointless waste of money.

We're paying all of them regardless.

I'd rather pay Juric to not be here.

 

[Harry_SFC]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Juric has managed other clubs our size with a reasonable degree of success. Neither Rusk nor Lallana has anything on their CV above National League level. This is just people wanting change for the sake of change with no idea of how or why there’d be any improvement. It’d be a pointless waste of money.

Juric has no idea how to manage in this country. His tactics might work in Italy but it's a different intensity over there. 

[Wade Garrett]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Juric has managed other clubs our size with a reasonable degree of success. Neither Rusk nor Lallana has anything on their CV above National League level. This is just people wanting change for the sake of change with no idea of how or why there’d be any improvement. It’d be a pointless waste of money.

It wouldn’t be wasting any money as both are contracted to the club already.  Juric can be released at the end of the season for nothing, so we’re talking about a few weeks of gardening leave.

Rusk set us up like a normal manager would in the games against Fulham and Liverpool, and we looked ok in both games.

The club is really toxic at the moment.  Unfortunately, we can’t trade any players at the moment, and there are a fair few that can wouldn’t want to see in a Saints shirt again.  We can tell the manager to stay at home though.  It’s not going to solve all our problems, but it won’t make them any worse.

Edited Saturday at 17:46 by Wade Garrett

[Nordic Saint]

30 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Anyone got the stats for the worst three promoted teams? 

All three are absolute shite. McKennas reputation has fallen through the floor.

As things stand, Leicester, Ipswich & Saints are on course for the lowest all-time combined points total for a bottom 3, so they are the worst. To be fair to McKenna, half of his current team were with him in League One the season before last, finishing 2nd to Plymouth.

Edited Saturday at 17:54 by Nordic Saint

[captainchris]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Juric has managed other clubs our size with a reasonable degree of success. Neither Rusk nor Lallana has anything on their CV above National League level. This is just people wanting change for the sake of change with no idea of how or why there’d be any improvement. It’d be a pointless waste of money.

How is it possibly a waste of money to put two people you already employ in charge. The cost has not increased at all!!!!! 
Whether Rusk and Lallana would improve anything doesn’t matter when you look the appalling level amateurism surrounding the first team right now. There is litterally nothing to lose.

[Wade Garrett]

Two poor goals conceded today.  No pressure on the cross or the header for the first, and Ramsdale seemed to go down in instalments for the second.

[saintant]

This club is rotten to its very core. Full of players who have no grit, courage, determination or backbone and are just content to go through the motions as another inevitable defeat rolls along - it's just water off a duck's back because they clearly have no pride or passion. Those at the top are clueless and continually select the wrong managers and so it goes on. Our only hope is that Spors has some clue and presides over a fire sale and brings in some players who have the pace, power, strength, fight and resilience that this sorry bunch lack. We have become a football club easy to loathe and hard to even like as week after week they embarrass us

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Don't disagree. At any other club, Juric would have been sacked before now.....mind you, at any other club, RM would have been gone long before he was....but we aren't any club, obviously......

Do you think sacking managers every six to eight games is a good way to run a football club?

[trousers]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Juric has managed other clubs our size with a reasonable degree of success. Neither Rusk nor Lallana has anything on their CV above National League level. This is just people wanting change for the sake of change with no idea of how or why there’d be any improvement. It’d be a pointless waste of money.

We'll have to agree to disagree (unless you're one of these MLG types that always has to be "right"... ) 

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We're paying all of them regardless

Indeed. It's almost as if some people disagree for the sake of disagreeing.... 

[S-Clarke]

It wasn't as bad as it has been in other games at home, but it was still pretty bad. What I took away from today though is what happens to a team when all it does is lose, it doesn't matter which league you're in, you'll always find ways to lose games when you're doing it every week. This season going to take a long time to get over, unless we simply blitz the entire 11 and start again (which we may well do tbf).

All I want is 3 more points, no more than that, not asking for much really. Today was our best chance of getting that and we did the usual.

Sulemana is still utter dog shit, apart from a purple patch of a game and a half, he's never changed. Thick as shit and has zero football brain, that will never change. I hope he goes and I'll drive him to wherever he needs to go to.

I've never experienced supporting such a broken club.

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Do you think employing shite managers every six to eight games is a good way to run a football club?

Nope, on that we can agree...

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Do you think sacking managers every six to eight games is a good way to run a football club?

So you want Juric in position for the entirety of next season, yes?

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, captainchris said:

How is it possibly a waste of money to put two people you already employ in charge. The cost has not increased at all!!!!! 
Whether Rusk and Lallana would improve anything doesn’t matter when you look the appalling level amateurism surrounding the first team right now. There is litterally nothing to lose.

I don’t know what the compensation clauses are in Juric’s contract and neither does anyone else on this board. Of course there’s something to lose, we could lose every game 7-0.

It’s amazing how often people say, "sack the manager it literally can’t get any worse," and then the manager gets sacked and it’s literally worse. There’s little point in changing anything until summer, just let the season peter out and see what August brings.

[Oldandtired]

Fed up with watching it, fed up with talking about it….

You know the barrel is not very deep when scraping the bottom of it involves bringing on JS as a forward.

For something a bit different has anybody else noticed that the number of empty seats in the directors box seems to be growing? Anyone got any good conspiracy theories?

Edited Saturday at 18:00 by Oldandtired