Chelsea 4-0 Saints - Match Thread

[John Boy Saint]

Right now that shower deserve to have the lowest team points tally to be relegated with on their CVs.

 

[miserableoldgit]

2 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Where is another point going to come from? That lot just aren't up to it. Unfit. No confidence. Nothing.

Where is another goal coming from?

[sfc4prem]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Can still only hear the Saints fans. They did us proud there today.

Let's just love each other. Fuck the team, the manager, the owners. We're fucking great fans. 

I remember watching the 9-0 at home to Leicester, watching us get relegated to League One. I've seen some shite, but we are this club.

This year's been a load of shit and has made me pretty apathetic, though.

[Chez]

Better than Saturday. Just. The errors were worse, but at least we got out of our own half a few times. Perhaps that was down to Chelsea being less organised than Brighton. I expected defeat, but when we start brightly it gets your hopes up. I should have learned by now. 

 

[Sir Ralph]

I dont understand why we are putting up with this rubbish - boycott games. I havent been since Xmas

[goodymatt]

Levi Colwill saying his mates are all Saints fans so he will give them stick. I thought he was a Saints fan himself?

[stknowle]

Hopeless. Literally hopeless.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said:

Right now that shower deserve to have the lowest team points tally to be relegated with on their CVs.

 

Unfortunately it is the club that will carry the stigma - individual players will just drift off and forget about it.

[Sheaf Saint]

We're not gonna get another point this season, are we.

The lack of quality, I can accept. But the total lack of any fight is just unforgivable. We've regressed even further under Juric, after a couple of decent (but ultimately pointless) performances early on, and it's clear the entire team (with perhaps two exceptions) just goes out now expecting to get dry humped, and not even bothering to put in the effort.

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Can still only hear the Saints fans. They did us proud there today.

Only asset the club has going for it. Club has treated them like shit for years as well. Above the enormous amounts of surgery Spores and the new manager (surely Steve Cooper FFS if he wants it) will need to do, re-connecting with the fanbase and dropping the ‘we know better than you crap’ is #1 priority.

SR and the board don’t know better or anything - simple as that, we have far more top flight football experience and knowledge than them over the years and you could see this season coming with the recruitment and lax, sloppy preparations under Martin (Oxford away anyone where they could have had 5 or 6 and steamed all over our midfield). But even I didn’t think it would be THIS bad.

Edited Tuesday at 22:18 by Gloucester Saint

[disconnect]

Thought ABK was pretty good. Back 4 with KWP - THB - ABK - Welington for the rest of the season. Ditch the back 5 rubbish, never worked for us. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Crazy bad times. Don’t think I have ever known such a bad bunch of players. I have gone past getting angry / pissed off / sad / you name the emotion when we lose. Now it’s just let’s get away with a 3 or 4 nil loss please god.

There was something to cheer about / like about all the other relegation teams. Most showed some fight at least. 
 

worst I can remember in my lifetime of 50 odd years of being a saints fan.

Lots of people blaming Juric, but this obviously isn’t just a manager problem is it

 

[BotleySaint]

Playing Aribo at the back again you have to wonder if Juric is trying to get sacked.

[saintant]

Downes strolled through the game not giving a fuck including when he gifted them their second goal.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

Let's just love each other. Fuck the team, the manager, the owners. We're fucking great fans. 

I remember watching the 9-0 at home to Leicester, watching us get relegated to League One. I've seen some shite, but we are this club.

This year's been a load of shit and has made me pretty apathetic, though.

100% this post. And when another fan blaming club plant comes on here, keep on sending them back with their tail between their legs and a clear message back to their paymasters - pull your fingers out. There’s more football knowledge in one row of the away end seats tonight than SR will ever learn in 30 years. 

[Bazzyfryer]

We were promoted too soon but we made a pigs breakfast of signings and are clearly not Premier League. We need a manager who can get us out of the Championship e.g Dyche or Cooper and committed players. Also someone who is a proven goalscorer who can get 20+ goals.

[Chez]

Just now, BotleySaint said:

Playing Aribo at the back again you have to wonder if Juric is trying to get sacked.

Aribo tries, but he's not a defender. 

In Juric's defence, players like THB and Wellington jut haven't been very good. You'd still have to start THB ahead or Aribo.

[tdmickey3]

The transition to be the south coast Stoke is gathering pace

Sports fuckin Republic

[kevdoh]

2 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

Let's just love each other. Fuck the team, the manager, the owners. We're fucking great fans. 

I remember watching the 9-0 at home to Leicester, watching us get relegated to League One. I've seen some shite, but we are this club.

This year's been a load of shit and has made me pretty apathetic, though.

Been at countless away games over the years from late 90s onwards where we have been spanked, but it was down to being out performed by much better team with more quality, it happens. This shower of shite deserve nothing. Bottles of piss chucked at them maybe. They don't give 2 fucks

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Bazzyfryer said:

We were promoted too soon but we made a pigs breakfast of signings and are clearly not Premier League. We need a manager who can get us out of the Championship e.g Dyche or Cooper and committed players. Also someone who is a proven goalscorer who can get 20+ goals.

If you have the worse players in the league you can't also be the most unfit but we are.

[S-Clarke]

As good as that day out at Wembley was, that result has created one of the worst ever seasons in my Saints supporting life. What I'd give to have lost that and be enjoying a Leeds style season now (although that wouldn't have happened, as SR own us).

But anyway, this promotion was the worst thing to happen to us. The only positives we can potentially take are finances, but when SR are spending the money I don't even think that is a positive.

The days under Port and Wotte were bad, really bad, those were some low days. This is a high level but it feels worse, it feels lifeless. 

It honestly feels like the entire club has taken a year off of football. Being as uncompetitive as this in any league is shameful and lots and lots of heads should roll in the summer, there cannot be any hiding away from the damage this year has done.

Edited Tuesday at 22:25 by S-Clarke

[Mboto Gorge]

What a shock there is zero fight, pride or leadership among this joke of a squad when the geniuses at the top rolled into the club and thought signing a bucket load of academy players and cheap young bargain basement players was going to be the master plan, when the squad under Ralph was already crying out for more grit and leadership in the first place. They’ve continued upon this delusion, completely neglecting the need to sign anyone with a tough mentality who will refuse to let standards drop. Another string to the bow of the absolute dog turd that is Sport Republic. 

[Jonnyboy]

27 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

If they're given every Sunday and Monday off during the season I dread to think what Martin's pre-season looked like. Probably sat around in the sun having beers every afternoon with the lads.

Mainly rutting with Pinder wasn't it?

[saintant]

Dragan should get the SR geeks, manager, coaches, scouts and players into a room and rip their fucking heads off.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

Downes strolled through the game not giving a fuck including when he gifted them their second goal.

Stuck with him next season too - Ipswich won’t/can’t pay anywhere near what we’d want without making a thumping loss. 

Thanks again Russell.

[woodsaint1]

4 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Playing Aribo at the back again you have to wonder if Juric is trying to get sacked.

Agent Ivan

[Galway saint]

3 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Crazy bad times. Don’t think I have ever known such a bad bunch of players. I have gone past getting angry / pissed off / sad / you name the emotion when we lose. Now it’s just let’s get away with a 3 or 4 nil loss please god.

There was something to cheer about / like about all the other relegation teams. Most showed some fight at least. 
 

worst I can remember in my lifetime of 50 odd years of being a saints fan.

Lots of people blaming Juric, but this obviously isn’t just a manager problem is it

 

Been supporting Saints since 1982 and this is the worst it's been for me.

I don't feel anything when we concede or lose.

I don't expect to win. What's it now 9 wins in 80 games, two wins in 38 odd.

They are an average bunch of players who have in the main given up and therefore we are looking at 4-0 defeats as par for the course. 

Blaming the manager seems pointless. I don't think any manager could make a real difference now and this stretches back over 80 games and two seasons so it's far more fundamental than that.You can trace it back to not replacing Romeu or Ings..

I feel sorry for Juric. He took a gamble and it's backfired for him and he's unlikely to ever get another decent job after this and Roma.

The fucking worst  thing is there are still eleven games left to play.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, saintant said:

Dragan should get the SR geeks, manager, coaches, scouts and players into a room and rip their fucking heads off.

‘This is what we do to people that fail in Serbia….’

[Suhari]

I got 5 points on Super 6.

#lookingforthepositives

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

As good as that day out at Wembley was, that result has created one of the worst ever seasons in my Saints supporting life. What I'd give to have lost that and be enjoying a Leeds style season now (although that wouldn't have happened, as SR own us).

But anyway, this promotion was the worst thing to happen to us. The only positives we can potentially take are finances, but when SR are spending the money I don't even think that is a positive.

The days under Port and Wotte were bad, really bad, those were some low days. This is a high level but it feels worse, it feels lifeless. 

It honestly feels like the entire club has taken a year off of football. Being as uncompetitive as this in any league is shameful and lots and lots of heads should roll in the summer, there cannot be any hiding away from the damage this year has done.

If Spores wants any credibility with the fanbase, and Dragan wants any kind of buy-in, then a grovelling apology from Dragan comes first, and then a very public opening up of the Pandora’s Box of ineptitude and laziness Rasmus, Kraft and Martin (if he’s somehow found employment by then) presided over. Then down to the business of a total squad rebuild, pace, power and investment outpacing the other 23 clubs. 

[Elbitrevnoc]

Can’t see how we can possibly go with Juric next season. He’s now tainted as much as these players are by constant failure and some of his team selection/tactics haven’t helped him either. Next season’s clear out and the fresh start needed has to include a new manager. Maybe that could have been Juric if we’d waited until then to appoint him, but not now. Martin was able to come into a broken team with low confidence and rebuild things to produce a competitive side (in Championship terms) that ultimately achieved the target of promotion - if only just! 

This isn’t by any means all Juric’s fault, but I think we have to bring a new face to the dressing room if we want a coach who is able to rebuild and do what Martin did. Stick with this coach and I fear we could do a Luton .

[Chez]

Believe it or not, there was a bit more fight and effort tonight than there was Saturday. Not saying much I know, but it was the errors that really hurt us tonight. We are so naive and so stuck in our ways. I actually see very little difference between Juric and Martin's side other than Sulemana and Onuachu playing.

[SfcPhil]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

As good as that day out at Wembley was, that result has created one of the worst ever seasons in my Saints supporting life. What I'd give to have lost that and be enjoying a Leeds style season now (although that wouldn't have happened, as SR own us).

Completely disagree with this. I'd take winning at Wembley over winning the Championship every day of the week. Although Leeds will likely win the league, they'll also likely come straight back down too.

[Patrick Bateman]

I actually have no real emotion ... I don't like anyone who is part of our football club. Not one member of staff to do with the men's team and not one member of senior management. Please can you all just fk off. 

[Pamplemousse]

3 minutes ago, SfcPhil said:

Completely disagree with this. I'd take winning at Wembley over winning the Championship every day of the week. Although Leeds will likely win the league, they'll also likely come straight back down too.

Leeds doing so well is why we'll be alright next season. The rest of the league is fucking shit.

[Galway saint]

What has also made it such a shit season is that the writing was on the wall as early as the forest game so at no point ( save for Newcastle) did it ever feel realistic to think we would stay up. We just carried on where we left off in the PL. When you look at the likes of the also rans in the PL like Palace and West Ham their squads are light years above ours you can see it's a long way back to being competitive in this league. It's a bigger problem than Saints though given Leicester and Ipswich will also head straight back down following on from last year when Luton, Sheffield United and Burnley went down.

I still keep coming back to the point that what the fuck did the owners expect when they bought BBD and Archer to spearhead our attack. If ever there was a signal to run up the white flag what was it. 

[redandwhitey]

We’ll see ………

[Pamplemousse]

6 minutes ago, Elbitrevnoc said:

Can’t see how we can possibly go with Juric next season. He’s now tainted as much as these players are by constant failure and some of his team selection/tactics haven’t helped him either. Next season’s clear out and the fresh start needed has to include a new manager. Maybe that could have been Juric if we’d waited until then to appoint him, but not now. Martin was able to come into a broken team with low confidence and rebuild things to produce a competitive side (in Championship terms) that ultimately achieved the target of promotion - if only just! 

This isn’t by any means all Juric’s fault, but I think we have to bring a new face to the dressing room if we want a coach who is able to rebuild and do what Martin did. Stick with this coach and I fear we could do a Luton .

We don't just need a new coach, we need a bunch of new players as well. We have a squad full of losers, need to ship them off ASAP

[OttawaSaint]

We're down, we know that, it's certain. I don't really care anymore.

Will we be worse than that terrible Derby team? Who knows, we deserve to be. I can't really see where the next goal is coming from let alone point.

[E_H_Saints]

Th crazy thing is, there was a time that 4-0 would have been considered as a heavy defeat which equals booing at full time and potentially some chants of you're being sacked in the morning.  However, we have become accustomed to the score line and it now just feels like a normal loss.  At 4 nil and shots for a 5th, Ramsdale swearing at his own team mates to get the **** up the field, you could still here our fans singing proudly (for good or bad depending on who you ask).  This feels worse than getting relegated.  Normally you go down as favourites to come back up, we will be the favourites to either be relegated twice or at least finish bottom half.  Depressing...

[Elbitrevnoc]

5 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

We don't just need a new coach, we need a bunch of new players as well. We have a squad full of losers, need to ship them off ASAP

Was taking that as a given!

[Katalinic]

10 minutes ago, SfcPhil said:

Completely disagree with this. I'd take winning at Wembley over winning the Championship every day of the week. Although Leeds will likely win the league, they'll also likely come straight back down too.

Yep, the only positive of this season is it meant we avoided being financially screwed which Parsons indicated we would have been. 

[Roboze]

When you set yourself up as a "Shop Window" you cant really be suprised when you attract players that have no interest in loyalty to the club.... there is no "I" in team..... and also not the word "Southampton" hmmm

 

[OttawaSaint]

2 minutes ago, E_H_Saints said:

Th crazy thing is, there was a time that 4-0 would have been considered as a heavy defeat which equals booing at full time and potentially some chants of you're being sacked in the morning.  However, we have become accustomed to the score line and it now just feels like a normal loss.  At 4 nil and shots for a 5th, Ramsdale swearing at his own team mates to get the **** up the field, you could still here our fans singing proudly (for good or bad depending on who you ask).  This feels worse than getting relegated.  Normally you go down as favourites to come back up, we will be the favourites to either be relegated twice or at least finish bottom half.  Depressing...

Yeah, the "oh phew, only 4...". Without a hint of sarcasm.

[HarvSFC]

Only one word to describe the current situation at the club, unforgiveable. This is our club, this is our passion, this is our city, but it's currently a laughing stock from top to bottom and it's totally out of our control, as is always the case in modern football.

I don't know what Juric is doing. I could've told you that having Smallbone in midfield would have struggled and then Aribo, Bree and ABK as the centre-back options again, simply wasn't going to work. Like with Selles two years ago, there isn't any signs of encouragement, or any attempt of a change in tactics in an attempt to get better results and therefore, like Selles, Juric isn't up to the task of trying to manage a team to promotion in the Championship. Same issue as Martin, play the same tactic every week and it will bring the same results in this league, defeat after defeat. It's amazing how bad Sports Republic are at selecting managers. I can't work it out how we've ended up with these, they aren't even the cheap free agent options like we used to restrict ourselves too. It's a joke that Ralph Hasenhuttl is the last Southampton manager to win more than two games in the Premier League.

Adding to this point, like with Selles two years ago where we went down without a fight, a similar group of players are doing exactly the same. Fuck them. Only player worth keeping, who's still putting up a fight is Fernandes and he's too good for the Championship, unless he fancies doing a Hamer, Berge, or Buendia, which is doubtful. I hope we have a complete clear out in the summer and go for a similar approach to 09-10 when we brought in Lambert, Hammond, Fonte, Puncheon and some decent squad players to compliment them in Harding, Jaidi, Connolly and Barnard. A new spine is needed. Goalkeeper, centre-back, centre-midfielder and striker and then work from that, but those four need to be the best available to a Championship club. Can't get those positions wrong again.

I want to be done with this season, but there's still 11 games of this pathetic team to embarrass us further.

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, Katalinic said:

Yep, the only positive of this season is it meant we avoided being financially screwed which Parsons indicated we would have been. 

That's a pretty big positive. Going up means we have another two chances (proper parachute payments) to get a decent side together.

[Saint NL]

How shit must Gronbaek be in training if he can't even get on the pitch?

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

That's a pretty big positive. Going up means we have another two chances (proper parachute payments) to get a decent side together.

We should get around 70-80m for Dibling, Ramsdale and Fernandes too. Let's just hope they manage to spend the money wisely this time. 

[Katalinic]

4 minutes ago, Chez said:

That's a pretty big positive. Going up means we have another two chances (proper parachute payments) to get a decent side together.

Im not unconvinced the strategy was "hope" to stay up but not be too worried if we didnt, as financially we are on a much firmer footing if we then come back up (big "if" and risky strategy)  Not sure they quite expected this level of humiliation though.

[Katalinic]

4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

We should get around 70-80m for Dibling, Ramsdale and Fernandes too. Let's just hope they manage to spend the money wisely this time. 

I wouldn't trust them with 75p in a charity shop tbh.