Is it the Manager or the Players?

[Farmer Saint]

Interested to know where we are as a fanbase. For me it's 75% the players, but I've made that clear since the Summer. What do YOU think?

[LGTL]

50/50. Two fucking diabolical managers and 11 fucking diabolical players every week has resulted in the current disgrace we’re currently all witnessing. If there was a 100/100 option I’d have voted for that. 

[Harry_SFC]

We've somehow managed to employ a bloke who has no idea how to manage a side like ours. Suicidal man to man tactics and giving up the entire midfield. 

50/50 for me. 

 

 

[Sheaf Saint]

50/50 for me.

Yes, we've got a shocking lack of quality in the squad. But if you can't beat the opposition for skill then at least match or beat them for effort.

Last season, Luton had probably the worst quality squad ever seen in the PL up til that point, but they still managed to be organised and occasionally difficult to beat. We are so far off their level currently it's fucking embarrassing.

If you know you don't have the best players then at least give yourself a chance by playing a sensible system with players in their correct positions. Juric is incapable of that, it seems.

[Dirkdiggler]

The club as whole is a shambles top to bottom. 
shite mangers tasked with managing shite players. 

[EBS1980]

Think everyone would agree the squad isn’t good enough? But surely you make the best of what you have and try and play a way best suited to that.

we pick managers who have one way of playing and play it regardless.

[bangkoksaint]

A massive part of the problem is that RM had this pally pally relationship with the players and that they were woefully unfit. In comes IJ and he’s in an impossible situation where he can’t get the squad up to fitness mid season. I appreciate though that doesn’t account for his bizarre team selections. 

[Roo1976]

The demise and standards that we as a fan base would like to see on the pitch has been in decline since about 2nd year of Ralph. At first it was a slow process but once the team achieved  safety that season we didnt really seem to recover from that point onwards.Yes there were the few odd good results but the malaise had already started. Sports Republic and their management direction  must take  a portion of blame for the chaotic situation the club finds itself in at present.

Theres no point in getting angry anymore,because this team is beyond help,no cohesion, structure or mental resolve, just playing when they get told to, by the premiere league. I feel that were at the point where its no surprise as to what the team selection is. JUST BEAT 11 POINTS.......PLEASE. It seems were breaking another record every week atm dosent it.

[Pamplemousse]

Juric has been successful in the top flight in Italy but has failed to recognise that this lot are absolutely fucking useless who need to be treated as such. Rusk got that, hence the diabolical performance at Fulham (but one that yielded one of our few non-losing performances).

[saint michael]

I think if the players were good enough they would make a difference regardless of the mgr. he might make a difference but shyte players who don’t give a shit and a clueless mgr on top is a disaster zone for the club 

[The Kraken]

50/50 which includes Martin as well, the summer recruitment under his watch was utterly poor for the amount spent. Heard it said that Juric has lost the dressing room, I don’t think he ever had it. It’s one thing bringing in discipline and hard work but you need to be able to bring the majority of the players along with you, he really looks to have only had a negative impact on the mollycoddled twats in our squad. Shit show all round really, I maintain a decent coach and a better transfer summer could have had us at least giving the likes of wolves, Leicester and Ipswich a little company. Which is really a quite remarkably low benchmark.

[S-Clarke]

It's probably 60/40 or somewhere along those lines.

The players recruited in the summer were poor and not at the level we required. That's on Martin as he sat at the head of all recruitment decisions in the summer. He has left us with a hopeless team at this level.

He continued to persevere with an approach of playing football that was getting us in trouble last season, so it was obvious to all of us what it would do to us this season. His arrogance continued as  we all expected.

Juric has come in and hasn't really changed anything, yes the quality of player is very, very, very low - but any sane person should not be playing Aribo as a centre back (or Bree for that matter).

At the end of the day, SR have struck again. Awful decisions and awful execution of ideas. This all leads back to them and their ownership is now severely damaging for the future of this club.

Edited February 22 by S-Clarke

[Lord Duckhunter]

You’ll know more after Liverpool & Chelsea. If these cunts put more effort and fight in those games, then I’ll be firmly placing my vote on the players side of the ledger. Look at the way they played at old Trafford and contrast it with today & last week. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see us put in a decent show in those 2… 

[Matthew Le God]

It is both.

We do not have enough PL level players.

Martin playing out from the back with players not able to do it added extra pressure and now we have Juric playing players out of position when he has natural position players available for those roles.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

None of the options for me.

SR get the blame. The rot started with the first decision they made, based on their self-delusion.

Taking over a club believing they could not only just add to what was there, but could remove key parts of it to be replaced with an approach they believed was smarter than anyone else's in the game.

Utterly failing to understand the issues that were already in the squad and club they took over. 

Failing to back the first manager in key areas that would have helped, while smugly believing they knew better than everyone else.

Then repeating the same decision making process all the way along, ending in what will be our second capitulating relegation under their stewardship.

 

Edited February 23 by Holmes_and_Watson
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[Dusic]

Its obvious we didn't have a good enough squad to stay up in August - not enough goals and likely to concede quite a few.

But managers both should have got a little more from them to make for less embarassing season.

Martin had us playing 'nice' football that with a few tweaks he was unwilling to make could have got us level with Ipswich, Leicester.

Juric has just been a disaster and seems to have fragmented a squad that was already low on confidence.

[Dark Munster]

31 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

None of the options for me.

SR get the blame. The rot started with the first decision they made, based on their self-delusion.

Taking over a club believing they could not only just add to what was there, but could remove key parts of it to be replaced with an approach they believed was smarter than anyone else's in the game.

Utterly failing to understand the issues that were already in the squad and club they took over. 

Failing to back the first manager in key areas that would have helped, while smugly believing they knew best to everyone else.

Then repeating the same decision making process towards the end of what will be our second capitulating relegation under their stewardship.

This. I didn't vote because Rasmus Ankersen wasn't one of the choices.

[Gloucester Saint]

I went 75/25 because whilst I have no time for any of the players, when you go Ralph-Jones-Selles-Martin-Juric the player recruitment is going to be scrambled.

Steve Cooper please on a pre-contract for June, but co-developing a ruthless plan with Spores now for what needs to arrive and what needs to go.

[Badger]

Players aren’t good enough, so not fair to blame them for that.

As managers, Martin takes most of the blame (perhaps 75%). Juric has inherited a complete circus.

 

[Dragon_man]

Is it the players?

Is it the manager?

Is it the tactics?

Is it Sports Republic?

I really have no f***king idea idea anymore

 

[Saint Martini]

The total lack of defensive structure is just unbelievable at times. The amount of times players get into vulnerable positions during games where they don't have cover to me indicates that there is no clear structure for defending as a team. It's just 1v1 everywhere and the players are not good enough for that and it's gotten worse since RM left. In my opinion he hade the wrong structure for a team fighting relegation and way to risky for the quality of players but at least there was a structure. I just don't understand what Juric is trying to do at all. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

It’s easy to blame the players and yes, the lack of effort yesterday was unacceptable on a number of levels, but the demise of the club has been a slow burning disaster since Ralph entered the building - possibly before. The squad had already become over-bloated with players that were not at the right level and it can be seen as a failure of epic proportions not to address the key issues from the outset.

It’s no consolation, but we’re not alone - there’s a similar pattern of failure at Man Utd but of course they started from a higher place, with more money and therefore more resilience.

Ultimately you have to primarily blame SR and the Senior Management of the club for the decline. They are culpable of too many incompetent choices. But that’s where we are - no going back and it’s a massive uphill climb to rectify the shit-show. Don’t underestimate how broken things are. Spors better be ready to perform better than he’s ever done previously - I don’t envy him in the slightest.

[Challenger]

15 hours ago, Dragon_man said:

Is it the players?

Is it the manager?

Is it the tactics?

Is it Sports Republic?

I really have no f***king idea idea anymore

 

It sounds like there could be an opportunity somewhere at the club for you, get your CV in .

[Hawkswood]

I look at how Luton did last year. No way they have better players than us but they managed to put up a fight so 75% manager and 25% players for me but my caveat being that overall I blame the club. Several atrocious managerial appointments in succession. An abysmal failure. An embarrassment to themselves and the club.

 

[leesaint88]

17 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

It’s easy to blame the players and yes, the lack of effort yesterday was unacceptable on a number of levels, but the demise of the club has been a slow burning disaster since Ralph entered the building - possibly before. The squad had already become over-bloated with players that were not at the right level and it can be seen as a failure of epic proportions not to address the key issues from the outset.

It’s no consolation, but we’re not alone - there’s a similar pattern of failure at Man Utd but of course they started from a higher place, with more money and therefore more resilience.

Ultimately you have to primarily blame SR and the Senior Management of the club for the decline. They are culpable of too many incompetent choices. But that’s where we are - no going back and it’s a massive uphill climb to rectify the shit-show. Don’t underestimate how broken things are. Spors better be ready to perform better than he’s ever done previously - I don’t envy him in the slightest.

For me it started in the summer of 2016 as we just couldn't replace what we had with Koeman, we started to bring in players then who were subpar and it was at that point other clubs had worked out the 'Southampton way' of scouting.

I think SR had good intentions at first but it was clear in the summer of '22 they didn't want Ralph but made the bizarre decision to keep him on and try to force him out. If they sacked him then and started with a new manager? Who knows, but it really has been a clusterfuck the last three years.

[Andy Hill]

100% the players. The summer recruitment in 2024 was appalling - lots of quantity but with little quality (Ramsdale and Fernandes excepted(.

[rooney]

1 hour ago, Andy Hill said:

100% the players. The summer recruitment in 2024 was appalling - lots of quantity but with little quality (Ramsdale and Fernandes excepted(.

Agree, its obvious as 5 different managers have had a go and cannot do anything with them.

[Dirkdiggler]

Regards to players 

Our recruitment has been very poor. We haven’t replaced any of the good players sold either buying cheap or pushing backup players to fill the holes left. 
Hard to think of a player bought in recent years who had replaced the out going player. 
 

Edited February 24 by Dirkdiggler

[Convict Colony]

I am going with players as we have tried to different styles of football and they have been shit at both.

We are running out of styles for them to not be shit.

In reality though its recruitment from that winter spurge in this league last time that cost us. 

We didn't stay up, out PSR rating was in the shit can when we came up this time so couldn't improve our playing squad enough to fit the game model and survive. 

Improved recruitment would of helped mitigate it though but not solve this overriding issue.

[miserableoldgit]

To me it is not a straight forward question. A "Perfect Storm" of balls-ups have contributed to this calamitous season.

1) Russell Martin deserved a chance to manage us in the Prem but SR left it too long to get rid of him when it was obvious to anybody with a brain that it wasn't, and wouldn't work. He should have been given 10 games, then gone. Was it RM's fault that he didn't have the right players to play his system? No idea, but he was too stubborn to change what wasn't working.

2) The recruitment was a complete and utter disaster. I can't think of one player that we signed over the summer that I felt excited about. They were all a bit "meh" and have got even more "meh" as the season has gone on. Couple this with players from the previous disaster window when we tried to off-load and couldn't get rid. As I said elsewhere, there isn't one player that I have any affiinity with....for the first time in many, many years. Who is to blame for the recruitment? We all have our opinions but none of us actually know.

3) I actually feel sorry for Juric and the flack that he is getting. He came in on a hiding to nothing. I realise that he is not making any friends with his team selection/tactics, but TBF, Klopp, Slot or Pep would struggle to get anything from this pathetic squad. Add to this the unprofessional behaviour/attitude of some of the squad, throwing their toys out of the cot and sulking because their mate had gone, and the task is made even more impossible. I don't think that he will be here next season.......not sure that he would want to be! He seems a beaten man already!

4) SPORTS REPUBLIC! Despite the continual "Sports Republic Out!" bleating of many fans, I don't think that they will be going anywhere anytime soon. I believe that Dragan genuinely wants to be successful with his venture and won't want to be viewed as a failure, but he has listened to too many "clever" people who are far too confident in their overblown belief in their own abilities. I hope and pray that he has "seen the light" and cast these morons aside. This coming Summer will be massive for him. It is his last chance to get things right. He MUST be decisive and get the right people in for what needs to be a complete reset at SMS, and to be even more credible it needs to happen quickly or the fanbase will disappear.

[saintant]

I've supported this football club for over 60 years but now I look on helplessly as it is destroyed from within. Sports Republic arrived with promises and ambitions but all we've had from them is a complete mismanagement of the handling of an elite football club. Their complete incompetence knows no bounds and there are no signs that anything is going to change soon. Recruitments from managers to coaches to players and scouts has largely been catastrophic - everything they could get wrong they did. So, in answer to the question posed it is neither the managers or the players we should blame because the fault lies with our owners and their inability to do anything other than turn us into a complete car-crash. I'm not sure what stories they told Martin Semmens but he was conned hook, line and sinker by these charlatans and he made a bad choice. Like many others I'm beginning to care less and less. Maybe Johannes Spors will get us back on track but he has a mountain to climb. I would have expected to hear something from him by now considering we are nose diving into oblivion. He's pitched up at a club in turmoil and it gets worse with every passing game so you'd think he'd have a lot to say but we hear nothing. Somebody at the club needs to stand up and be counted. The fans deserve far better than this mess and lack of accountability. 

Edited February 25 by saintant

[disconnect]

The players are not good enough, but that's what happens when you buy quantity and not quality (and allow your manager to buy his mates).

The signings of Fraser and Wood were all completely unnecessary, and made as mates of Martin. Downes was overpriced, but threw all our eggs in on him as he's mates with Martin.

Instead of signing Archer, Brereton Diaz and Cornet (remember him?) we could've just spent £25 million on a first choice better quality striker.

Charlie Taylor not needed if we already had Manning and KWP playing there (and Welington coming in Jan), and dont know how much we've subsidised Goztepe's best ever season giving them their starting keeper and two starting players on loan - are Juan and Matsuki going to come in and do well for us next season? Fingers crossed, but not holding my breath. 

All feels like SR have tried to be too clever by taking multiple punts on players which havent really worked out, whilst also letting the manager then buy others who arent good enough. The only successful signings have been Fernandes and Ramsdale, which says a lot when you've signed 20 players... 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Interesting that no-one has yet commented on Kat L and her selling off of her Fathers legacy. Let’s face it she passed the baton to the Chinese idiot who had less money to splash than Dragan/SR and so it could be argued that everything good that was built during Markus’s era was slowly but surely eroded at that moment, from the Acedemy to the black box to the scouting network to the 1st team squad to the quality of manager. So yes, it could be said that Kat has set the club on a path of failure from the moment  she sacked Cortese etc.

Markus was our saviour, but should she be held accountable as the ‘Kat-ylist’ of our decline. 😔

[Saint Billy]

I voted 50:50 but SR are ultimately to blame for hiring the managers, poor player purchases and loans. We are a shockingly run football club on a downward spiral which I fear won't just end in the Championship.

[miserableoldgit]

14 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Interesting that no-one has yet commented on Kat L and her selling off of her Fathers legacy. Let’s face it she passed the baton to the Chinese idiot who had less money to splash than Dragan/SR and so it could be argued that everything good that was built during Markus’s era was slowly but surely eroded at that moment, from the Acedemy to the black box to the scouting network to the 1st team squad to the quality of manager. So yes, it could be said that Kat has set the club on a path of failure from the moment  she sacked Cortese etc.

Markus was our saviour, but should she be held accountable as the ‘Kat-ylist’ of our decline. 😔

Difficult one but, firstly, if KL had no real interest owning the club, she had every right to do it. To be fair, she didn't just walk away.......she did maintain an interest. Secondly, if I remember correctly, it was after Gao had taken control that the Chinese Government stopped him from taking any of his money out of the country.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

1 hour ago, miserableoldgit said:

I don't think that they will be going anywhere anytime soon. I believe that Dragan genuinely wants to be successful with his venture and won't want to be viewed as a failure, but he has listened to too many "clever" people who are far too confident in their overblown belief in their own abilities.

After seeing consecutive managers being so pig-headed, impractical and unwilling to adapt, I would have said the blame between managers and players was 75/25 - but ultimately, I think it's the management that have caused this club to go in to freefall. It's not just SR either, the decline started before.

I also believe Dragan wants to succeed. He pumped a load of cash in to the club when he first came in and he's now making changes when he's seeing things not working. Spors has a big job on his hands so I would like to see him taking a more public role in the coming months.

[James G]

It's a difficult one. I think, in theory, it's the players. I think we have good players, they are just not suited to the high press. Some of them maybe are, but alot aren't.  I think a different manager could come in and do better with a different system, but I also think Jurics system with the right players would take the team further longer term, but it's alot of work and requires good recruitment.

I think it's a mess either way. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

6 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

Difficult one but, firstly, if KL had no real interest owning the club, she had every right to do it. To be fair, she didn't just walk away.......she did maintain an interest. Secondly, if I remember correctly, it was after Gao had taken control that the Chinese Government stopped him from taking any of his money out of the country.

It’s all very hindsight now of course, but KL (or her advisers) did a terrible job finding a majority owner / investor in Gao. And it could be argued that by retaining the share that she did, it was incumbent on her to take back control of the club when Gao’s interest failed. At the point SR took over, while much damage had already been done, it was at that time a recoverable position. SR have come in and made error after error, to the point where it’s difficult to see how a turnaround will be brought about. I fear that we’ve not seen the last of SR’s incompetence or the bottom of the pit in terms of SFC’s fortunes. It’s going to be a massively important summer.

[CB Fry]

14 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Interesting that no-one has yet commented on Kat L and her selling off of her Fathers legacy. Let’s face it she passed the baton to the Chinese idiot who had less money to splash than Dragan/SR and so it could be argued that everything good that was built during Markus’s era was slowly but surely eroded at that moment, from the Acedemy to the black box to the scouting network to the 1st team squad to the quality of manager. So yes, it could be said that Kat has set the club on a path of failure from the moment  she sacked Cortese etc.

Markus was our saviour, but should she be held accountable as the ‘Kat-ylist’ of our decline. 😔

I have no idea while people want to go back and back to blame things on Katarina Liebherr, honestly you might as well go back to the battle of Hastings.

Kat did not sack Ralph and replace with Nathan Jones which was THE decision that spiralled us into the Championship. And she certainly has not had anything to do with the current shit show.

What DID happen under Katarina's time was the best Premier League run of finishes in our history, but hey let's not mention that because you've decided she's just the scapegoat.

[Sarnia Cherie]

On 22/02/2025 at 17:01, LGTL said:

50/50. Two fucking diabolical managers and 11 fucking diabolical players every week has resulted in the current disgrace we’re currently all witnessing. If there was a 100/100 option I’d have voted for that. 

Only 2? I can count 4 since Ralph. SR should be on this poll. They have made some dreadful decisions in regards to managers and players and have to take a share of the blame for the position we are in. Having said that it's 50/50 for me. The last 4 managers have been nowhere near good enough and it is clear to see that the players fitness levels are poor compared to the vast majority, if not all of the other teams we have played against this season. 

[East Kent Saint]

15 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

Difficult one but, firstly, if KL had no real interest owning the club, she had every right to do it. To be fair, she didn't just walk away.......she did maintain an interest. Secondly, if I remember correctly, it was after Gao had taken control that the Chinese Government stopped him from taking any of his money out of the country.

Quite Gao had to fund the takeover from his own funds he had stashed abroad so having bought Saints he had not much left over for investing in the club .

[Dr. Kucho]

I voted 50/50 but want to retract that to 100% Sports Republic.

Can you blame the players for not being good enough? You could blame them for not trying or being uninterested. Manning for instance isn’t good enough but does try when he plays. 

Then the managers, no manager is going to turn down the chance to manage in the Premier League. Can’t blame them for accepting the offer. Could blame them for refusing to change tactics when things aren’t working or we continue to lose. You can blame them for the squad being unfit. When you know you can’t compete on talent, you make sure the players are fitter and stronger then the opposition.

Imho it’s 100% Sports Republics fault. They should know to compete in the Premier League you have to pay Premier League prices for players. You can’t go bargain hunting and hope that the players work out. They should have seen early on that Martin wasn’t up to the job, and Juric. I understand his appointment, experienced and know how to organize a defense. Only he knows how to organize it in the Italian league and the Premier League is way faster and different. They should have gone searching for a manager who knows the league and keeps it simple. 

Now Spors has been hired and he’s done some good work at other clubs, but ultimately doesn’t have experience here. In the crisis we are in they should have gone for a technical director who’s experienced in English football and with a decent track record. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

2 hours ago, Dr. Kucho said:

I voted 50/50 but want to retract that to 100% Sports Republic.

Can you blame the players for not being good enough? You could blame them for not trying or being uninterested. Manning for instance isn’t good enough but does try when he plays. 

Then the managers, no manager is going to turn down the chance to manage in the Premier League. Can’t blame them for accepting the offer. Could blame them for refusing to change tactics when things aren’t working or we continue to lose. You can blame them for the squad being unfit. When you know you can’t compete on talent, you make sure the players are fitter and stronger then the opposition.

Imho it’s 100% Sports Republics fault. They should know to compete in the Premier League you have to pay Premier League prices for players. You can’t go bargain hunting and hope that the players work out. They should have seen early on that Martin wasn’t up to the job, and Juric. I understand his appointment, experienced and know how to organize a defense. Only he knows how to organize it in the Italian league and the Premier League is way faster and different. They should have gone searching for a manager who knows the league and keeps it simple. 

Now Spors has been hired and he’s done some good work at other clubs, but ultimately doesn’t have experience here. In the crisis we are in they should have gone for a technical director who’s experienced in English football and with a decent track record. 

I posted the same 5 hours ago. If a poll if being held on who is to blame then SR just have to be included. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I have no idea while people want to go back and back to blame things on Katarina Liebherr, honestly you might as well go back to the battle of Hastings.

Kat did not sack Ralph and replace with Nathan Jones which was THE decision that spiralled us into the Championship. And she certainly has not had anything to do with the current shit show.

What DID happen under Katarina's time was the best Premier League run of finishes in our history, but hey let's not mention that because you've decided she's just the scapegoat.

She sold the club out to Gao, which was misguided.  End of…you can’t change history to suit your own agenda.

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Quite Gao had to fund the takeover from his own funds he had stashed abroad so having bought Saints he had not much left over for investing in the club .

But it was KL and her team that didn’t do sound due diligence on Gao - she set us up for decline and make no mistake, it’s not over yet.

[East Kent Saint]

I don't agree that Kat was the cause of the current decline . Apart from losing her father she had to sort out his various business,  some he kept running for old times sake , such as the printing business.  she struggled to get anyone to buy Saints and even kept 20% to push the deal through .

Meanwhile shutting down the loss making parts of the old empire so hats of to her .

[CB Fry]

4 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

She sold the club out to Gao, which was misguided.  End of…you can’t change history to suit your own agenda.

The only "agenda" I can see is the guy blaming the actions of the current owner and the one before that on the owner before that.

It's fucking weird, that's for sure.

When SR took over we were in a higher division than, just to name 3 clubs, Fulham, Forest and Bournemouth.

 

Edited February 25 by CB Fry

[Gloucester Saint]

22 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The only "agenda" I can see is the guy blaming the actions of the current owner and the one before that on the owner before that.

It's fucking weird, that's for sure.

When SR took over we were in a higher division than, just to name 3 clubs, Fulham, Forest and Bournemouth.

 

And those three clubs didn’t squander tens of millions on Man City academy products. Only Lavia was fit (a relative term) for purpose, Edozie ok for the division below but only that, Bazanu not fit for above League 2 if that high, and a photo of Larios should be on a milk carton he’s been missing that long. The club was hollowed out, I get what CAM is trying to say, and Ralph worn out.

But SR had time and resource to fix both well. Instead, they bottled the manager issue and instead of investing heavily in the spine of the squad, they sold the only bit of it left for a pittance, relying on an 18 year old, and spunked the rest up the wall on data-driven gambling madness that a couple more might turn a profit.

In other words people who don’t have a clue how to run a top level football club or any organisation come to that. 

Edited February 25 by Gloucester Saint

[Wade Garrett]

Shit manager, shit players with a shit work ethic.

Basically, a huge steaming turd.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

The only "agenda" I can see is the guy blaming the actions of the current owner and the one before that on the owner before that.

It's fucking weird, that's for sure.

When SR took over we were in a higher division than, just to name 3 clubs, Fulham, Forest and Bournemouth.

 

It’s not weird to include KL in the finger pointing. The rot started on her watch…it’s equally true that SR have compounded that over and over, but that doesn’t remove her culpability. The one positive remaining is that somehow the fanbase appears to be resilient so far with incredible away numbers still being seen - bloody hero’s. It’ll be a different story when ST’s go on sale for next season.