Is it the Manager or the Players?

[Farmer Saint]

Interested to know where we are as a fanbase. For me it's 75% the players, but I've made that clear since the Summer. What do YOU think?

[LGTL]

50/50. Two fucking diabolical managers and 11 fucking diabolical players every week has resulted in the current disgrace we’re currently all witnessing. If there was a 100/100 option I’d have voted for that. 

[Harry_SFC]

We've somehow managed to employ a bloke who has no idea how to manage a side like ours. Suicidal man to man tactics and giving up the entire midfield. 

50/50 for me. 

 

 

[Sheaf Saint]

50/50 for me.

Yes, we've got a shocking lack of quality in the squad. But if you can't beat the opposition for skill then at least match or beat them for effort.

Last season, Luton had probably the worst quality squad ever seen in the PL up til that point, but they still managed to be organised and occasionally difficult to beat. We are so far off their level currently it's fucking embarrassing.

If you know you don't have the best players then at least give yourself a chance by playing a sensible system with players in their correct positions. Juric is incapable of that, it seems.

[Dirkdiggler]

The club as whole is a shambles top to bottom. 
shite mangers tasked with managing shite players. 

[EBS1980]

Think everyone would agree the squad isn’t good enough? But surely you make the best of what you have and try and play a way best suited to that.

we pick managers who have one way of playing and play it regardless.

[bangkoksaint]

A massive part of the problem is that RM had this pally pally relationship with the players and that they were woefully unfit. In comes IJ and he’s in an impossible situation where he can’t get the squad up to fitness mid season. I appreciate though that doesn’t account for his bizarre team selections. 

[Roo1976]

The demise and standards that we as a fan base would like to see on the pitch has been in decline since about 2nd year of Ralph. At first it was a slow process but once the team achieved  safety that season we didnt really seem to recover from that point onwards.Yes there were the few odd good results but the malaise had already started. Sports Republic and their management direction  must take  a portion of blame for the chaotic situation the club finds itself in at present.

Theres no point in getting angry anymore,because this team is beyond help,no cohesion, structure or mental resolve, just playing when they get told to, by the premiere league. I feel that were at the point where its no surprise as to what the team selection is. JUST BEAT 11 POINTS.......PLEASE. It seems were breaking another record every week atm dosent it.

[Pamplemousse]

Juric has been successful in the top flight in Italy but has failed to recognise that this lot are absolutely fucking useless who need to be treated as such. Rusk got that, hence the diabolical performance at Fulham (but one that yielded one of our few non-losing performances).

[saint michael]

I think if the players were good enough they would make a difference regardless of the mgr. he might make a difference but shyte players who don’t give a shit and a clueless mgr on top is a disaster zone for the club 

[The Kraken]

50/50 which includes Martin as well, the summer recruitment under his watch was utterly poor for the amount spent. Heard it said that Juric has lost the dressing room, I don’t think he ever had it. It’s one thing bringing in discipline and hard work but you need to be able to bring the majority of the players along with you, he really looks to have only had a negative impact on the mollycoddled twats in our squad. Shit show all round really, I maintain a decent coach and a better transfer summer could have had us at least giving the likes of wolves, Leicester and Ipswich a little company. Which is really a quite remarkably low benchmark.

[S-Clarke]

It's probably 60/40 or somewhere along those lines.

The players recruited in the summer were poor and not at the level we required. That's on Martin as he sat at the head of all recruitment decisions in the summer. He has left us with a hopeless team at this level.

He continued to persevere with an approach of playing football that was getting us in trouble last season, so it was obvious to all of us what it would do to us this season. His arrogance continued as  we all expected.

Juric has come in and hasn't really changed anything, yes the quality of player is very, very, very low - but any sane person should not be playing Aribo as a centre back (or Bree for that matter).

At the end of the day, SR have struck again. Awful decisions and awful execution of ideas. This all leads back to them and their ownership is now severely damaging for the future of this club.

Edited 19 hours ago by S-Clarke

[Lord Duckhunter]

You’ll know more after Liverpool & Chelsea. If these cunts put more effort and fight in those games, then I’ll be firmly placing my vote on the players side of the ledger. Look at the way they played at old Trafford and contrast it with today & last week. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see us put in a decent show in those 2… 

[Matthew Le God]

It is both.

We do not have enough PL level players.

Martin playing out from the back with players not able to do it added extra pressure and now we have Juric playing players out of position when he has natural position players available for those roles.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

None of the options for me.

SR get the blame. The rot started with the first decision they made, based on their self-delusion.

Taking over a club believing they could not only just add to what was there, but could remove key parts of it to be replaced with an approach they believed was smarter than anyone else's in the game.

Utterly failing to understand the issues that were already in the squad and club they took over. 

Failing to back the first manager in key areas that would have helped, while smugly believing they knew better than everyone else.

Then repeating the same decision making process all the way along, ending in what will be our second capitulating relegation under their stewardship.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Holmes_and_Watson
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[Dusic]

Its obvious we didn't have a good enough squad to stay up in August - not enough goals and likely to concede quite a few.

But managers both should have got a little more from them to make for less embarassing season.

Martin had us playing 'nice' football that with a few tweaks he was unwilling to make could have got us level with Ipswich, Leicester.

Juric has just been a disaster and seems to have fragmented a squad that was already low on confidence.

[Dark Munster]

31 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

None of the options for me.

SR get the blame. The rot started with the first decision they made, based on their self-delusion.

Taking over a club believing they could not only just add to what was there, but could remove key parts of it to be replaced with an approach they believed was smarter than anyone else's in the game.

Utterly failing to understand the issues that were already in the squad and club they took over. 

Failing to back the first manager in key areas that would have helped, while smugly believing they knew best to everyone else.

Then repeating the same decision making process towards the end of what will be our second capitulating relegation under their stewardship.

This. I didn't vote because Rasmus Ankersen wasn't one of the choices.

[Gloucester Saint]

I went 75/25 because whilst I have no time for any of the players, when you go Ralph-Jones-Selles-Martin-Juric the player recruitment is going to be scrambled.

Steve Cooper please on a pre-contract for June, but co-developing a ruthless plan with Spores now for what needs to arrive and what needs to go.

[Badger]

Players aren’t good enough, so not fair to blame them for that.

As managers, Martin takes most of the blame (perhaps 75%). Juric has inherited a complete circus.

 

[Dragon_man]

Is it the players?

Is it the manager?

Is it the tactics?

Is it Sports Republic?

I really have no f***king idea idea anymore

 

[Saint Martini]

The total lack of defensive structure is just unbelievable at times. The amount of times players get into vulnerable positions during games where they don't have cover to me indicates that there is no clear structure for defending as a team. It's just 1v1 everywhere and the players are not good enough for that and it's gotten worse since RM left. In my opinion he hade the wrong structure for a team fighting relegation and way to risky for the quality of players but at least there was a structure. I just don't understand what Juric is trying to do at all.