Ipswich 1-2 Saints - Match Thread

[macca155]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

Genuine question, is THB a good defender? I know he's a pretty good ball player, but what about all the without the ball stuff? 

I think we've seen enough to know he's a good player.

However I think he's been damaged by the chaos around him this season. He looks punch drunk with the constant pressure and defeats.

He clearly needs time to adjust to Juric's style (they all do). I quite like the way the CBs maraude forward, but I'm as a nervous when I see THB on the wing, as I am when Sulemana is in defence. That needs work.

I thought Aribo had a great game yesterday. We all thought OMG when he moved into defence, but he actually equipped himself well.

Sulemana is becoming quite a weapon. Need to keep him fit. He scares defenders.

[benjii]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Just watching the brief highlights and for their goal i assume (big assumption) the instruction to our CBs was to man mark their forward players.

THB came out to compete with his man for a header (then doesnt follow) who is on the right touchline below.

Bree was tracking his man whose in front of Aribo and plays the killer pass.

Bednerak is then completely in no mans land cos THB is not recovering although i think he should of realised Wellington was getting back but even before this mess he should of been closer to delap given he's man marking.

But in order blame i am saying

THB > Bednerak > Bree

I agree and disagree.

THB challenged for the ball so was justified in being there. Bree just wandered over, completely exposing Bednarek. He needs to hold his position and cover Delap. He also strolls back as the attack unfolds. 

Bednarek trying to cover two players, but probably should have moved more central as clearly that's where the biggest threat is.

A mental lapse from Bree the main cause IMO.

[Fabrice29]

29 minutes ago, Chez said:

When Stephens got injured, we brought on Smallbone and dropped Aribo to CB rather than bring on ABK. Seems a good opportunity for the local press to ask why not ABK?

Local press did ask fwiw. Can be found on the daily echo site. 

Edited Sunday at 09:31 by Fabrice29

[Holmes_and_Watson]

27 minutes ago, Chez said:

Genuine question, is THB a good defender? I know he's a pretty good ball player, but what about all the without the ball stuff? 

If he's having to man mark pacey, very strong and technically among the best forwards, then there are simply times when he's going to lose out.

That applies to all defenders. The team have to adapt to coping with opponents separating them out and then capitalising on man marking.

It's just another example of our tactics switching around, leaving some players looking a bit exposed. Inherent risks in the system.

[miserableoldgit]

15 hours ago, Toussaint said:

He’s fast in a straight line, very strong, great attitude, good with his feet, causes panic in opposition defences and has scored two goals in the last three games and you want him dropped?

It is the way of things. Once someone has made their mind up about something nowadays, it is impossible for them to admit they may be wrong. There were people on here moaning about AA last season based on his performances during the relegation campaign. You should know that when a player is "shite", he is always "shite" no matter what he does. 

[gio1saints]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

We have been playing a man marking system all over the pitch since Jurics first game. He talked about being a Bielsa fan early on. 

Saints transition in style is obviously a work in progress but I sense Juric feels it will be ultimately more winning than losing - certainly at Championship level next season. Hence his ongoing optimism about his own and Saints future.
 

In retrospect, the intense scrutiny the EPL handed us and the extreme dogma of RM’s style rules meant Saints had to play the perfect game for 100minutes+ to win a match - or lose - and often lose badly.  Many here predicted the collapse but others, myself included, applauded the idealism - especially in such a corrupt closed shop arena as professional football. 

Under Juric we can now seemingly win and compete without having to look great in doing so. Before we could ONLY win or compete if we looked like peak Barcelona or Man City. It gave us some beautiful team goals and moves - but the intense high players and Manager got when it went right now looks akin to a heroin addict chasing after that sensation they got from their very first fix. It was 99% a suicide mission. 

I can totally understand why footballers and the Manager and the club would want to play that way though. I can also see why supporters like myself respected the idealism and absolutism.

It makes our players our team our club look like football Gods when it works. Playing the beautiful game beautifully must be the ultimate feeling for a pro- even for amateurs.  
 

Juric style is more like just old fashioned hard work. It’s not a mission it’s not a cause it’s just roll up your sleeves and be a professional footballer not a demigod. And it’s been effective for years with many teams. Not ground breaking with the quality of players we have at present but Juric should be good enough to get us straight back up next year if he gets the players he wants after the expected end of season fire sale. 

Im pleased for Ivan and I’m intrigued by the Burnley match now. Big clue as to how we will do next year coming up! 
 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

20 minutes ago, benjii said:

I agree and disagree.

THB challenged for the ball so was justified in being there. Bree just wandered over, completely exposing Bednarek. He needs to hold his position and cover Delap. He also strolls back as the attack unfolds. 

Bednarek trying to cover two players, but probably should have moved more central as clearly that's where the biggest threat is.

A mental lapse from Bree the main cause IMO.

It's a symptom of a defence that hasn't played much together. With more practice positioning should be automatic and instinctive.

[Chez]

18 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Local press did ask fwiw. Can be found on the daily echo site. 

Cheers. From that article, Juric suggests the reason is because ABK can't play left centre back, at all. Certainly worse than Aribo. And maybe that's true, but I have to say I don't buy that reason. How does he even know Aribo is better there?

It worked out, but it looks like ABK is only on the bench to advertise the fact he is fit.

[suewhistle]

The point about ABK is that more than one manager seems to have the same opinion about him. Given that Juric seems to be getting more of a tune out of Sulemanna and Oneachu perhaps there is an issue with the player themselves?

[Convict Colony]

Agree the point about Bree just sauntering round, would be interesting to know Ivan's view but on reflection since juric has come id say Bree has over performed v the expectations, he's now playing as a CB most matches and kept delap quieter than bednerak in the 2nd half when he started marking him.

I feel he's plays at a consistent level each game which maybe not premier league level his consistency means juric knows what he is getting and can plan around him.

[Forester]

Thoroughly enjoyed that, and a more enjoyable walk back to the car than the sickening finish the last time we went there!   Great support from the travelling fans.

I thought Welington looked a little off the pace first half, but played better the longer the game went on and looks a find.  Albert looks quick, ideal for pressing style, and again early days but looks a good acquisition.  I thought Rambo, KWP, Bree, Fernandes and particularly Aribo were all excellent.  
 

I have been saying on here that we are looking like a properly coached team in recent weeks and for me Juric is a good manager managing a squad short of quality.  By adding the two new signings I now think he has 13 players he genuinely trusts.  Not enough to survive. But I expect us to continue to improve.  For me the realistic aim remains bedding down his style of play, retaining say 8 of those 13 for next season and bringing in three or four players under Juric to add to the good championship style players we have that I don’t include in that trusted 13, like Smallbone, Manning, Wood, Stephens, Armstrong, Archer and Downes, all of whom I expect to excel in championship.

[Fabrice29]

9 minutes ago, Chez said:

Cheers. From that article, Juric suggests the reason is because ABK can't play left centre back, at all. Certainly worse than Aribo. And maybe that's true, but I have to say I don't buy that reason. How does he even know Aribo is better there?

It worked out, but it looks like ABK is only on the bench to advertise the fact he is fit.

Yeah bit of a strange one but it’s been clear since last season ABK was a problem and now two managers not playing him will maybe start to silence the people clamouring to get him back in. As always though winning matches will reinforce anything. 

[EssEffCee]

Amazing feeling yesterday with the late winner and massively made up for last season up there. Away end went utterly mental when the goal went in, brilliant stuff.

Not going to be talking any nonsense about a turned corner or anything though. We're still a terrible team who just happened to play a poor team. Going to enjoy it for what it is and after being so shit all season fuck me did I enjoy it. Been a while since I woke up with such a glow.

Ipswich fans were spot on and very gracious in defeat. Would like to see them stay up but can't see it if they can't even beat us at home.

Good away day though so not too bothered if they join us.

Edited Sunday at 10:17 by EssEffCee

[Lord Duckhunter]

56 minutes ago, macca155 said:

 

He clearly needs time to adjust to Juric's style (they all do). I quite like the way the CBs maraude forward, but I'm as a nervous when I see THB on the wing, 

Some people constantly banging on about playing 2 centre halves and abandoning the back 3, miss this entirely. The reason Bree plays is because the system relies on the 2 wide “centre halves” being converted full backs, Venables did it with Stewart Pearce & Gary Neville at times, if I remember correctly Koeman played Bertrand there as well. It’s why Bree plays and why THB looks like a fish out of water on occasions. Personally, I’d play THB or Janny B the central role, with Bree and Charlie Taylor as the wide ‘centre halves”, and I’d imagine any defensive placement Ivan brings in for next season will be capable of playing like this (if we persist with the system).
 

Personally, I like it, I like the way it causes overloads out wide when the centre half underlaps . Chris Wilder was incredibly successful doing it in Sheffield Uniteds first season in the premier league. However, it does have downsides, the second season they got found out and better teams exploited it. You also need a really good central player who reads the game and is great defending 1 on 1 , as it can leave wide open spaces as we’ve seen the past 2 games. 

Edited Sunday at 10:17 by Lord Duckhunter

[BarberSaint]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Genuine question, is THB a good defender? I know he's a pretty good ball player, but what about all the without the ball stuff? 

No. And he's slow. Sell him at the end of the season and buy in someone decent or work with the many youth players we've signed.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Genuine question, is THB a good defender? I know he's a pretty good ball player, but what about all the without the ball stuff? 

Nope, said this last year we needed to be wary of the fact that he played really well in the Championship for Kompany, and Kompany decided not to purchase him for the Prem (and if anyone knows a Prem quality CB it would probably be him). There had to be a reason for that as it wasn't money based.

[Midfield_General]

Another positive of Welington looking decent is that it means KWP can move back onto the right for the rest of the season, where he should be and where he’s much more effective. Should make us much more balanced down the flanks. 

Edited Sunday at 10:21 by Midfield_General

[Harry_SFC]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Nope, said this last year we needed to be wary of the fact that he played really well in the Championship for Kompany, and Kompany decided not to purchase him for the Prem (and if anyone knows a Prem quality CB it would probably be him). There had to be a reason for that as it wasn't money based.

For all the plaudits THB got last season Bednarek was the better player IMO. 

[Toadhall Saint]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Nope, said this last year we needed to be wary of the fact that he played really well in the Championship for Kompany, and Kompany decided not to purchase him for the Prem (and if anyone knows a Prem quality CB it would probably be him). There had to be a reason for that as it wasn't money based.

Pace. Said he lacked it months ago and got shot down.

[Farmer Saint]

27 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Pace. Said he lacked it months ago and got shot down.

First yard is in your head, and he doesn't have that either.

[trousers]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Saints transition in style is obviously a work in progress but I sense Juric feels it will be ultimately more winning than losing - certainly at Championship level next season. Hence his ongoing optimism about his own and Saints future.
 

In retrospect, the intense scrutiny the EPL handed us and the extreme dogma of RM’s style rules meant Saints had to play the perfect game for 100minutes+ to win a match - or lose - and often lose badly.  Many here predicted the collapse but others, myself included, applauded the idealism - especially in such a corrupt closed shop arena as professional football. 

Under Juric we can now seemingly win and compete without having to look great in doing so. Before we could ONLY win or compete if we looked like peak Barcelona or Man City. It gave us some beautiful team goals and moves - but the intense high players and Manager got when it went right now looks akin to a heroin addict chasing after that sensation they got from their very first fix. It was 99% a suicide mission. 

I can totally understand why footballers and the Manager and the club would want to play that way though. I can also see why supporters like myself respected the idealism and absolutism.

It makes our players our team our club look like football Gods when it works. Playing the beautiful game beautifully must be the ultimate feeling for a pro- even for amateurs.  
 

Juric style is more like just old fashioned hard work. It’s not a mission it’s not a cause it’s just roll up your sleeves and be a professional footballer not a demigod. And it’s been effective for years with many teams. Not ground breaking with the quality of players we have at present but Juric should be good enough to get us straight back up next year if he gets the players he wants after the expected end of season fire sale. 

Im pleased for Ivan and I’m intrigued by the Burnley match now. Big clue as to how we will do next year coming up! 
 

 

It's almost as if playing football isn't rocket science after all...

Edited Sunday at 13:32 by trousers

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, macca155 said:

I thought Aribo had a great game yesterday. We all thought OMG when he moved into defence, but he actually equipped himself well.

I thought it was already firmly established that he is well equipped.

[Saint NL]

7 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I thought it was already firmly established that he is well equipped.

Someone is going to post the picture now....

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Some people constantly banging on about playing 2 centre halves and abandoning the back 3, miss this entirely. The reason Bree plays is because the system relies on the 2 wide “centre halves” being converted full backs, Venables did it with Stewart Pearce & Gary Neville at times, if I remember correctly Koeman played Bertrand there as well. It’s why Bree plays and why THB looks like a fish out of water on occasions. Personally, I’d play THB or Janny B the central role, with Bree and Charlie Taylor as the wide ‘centre halves”, and I’d imagine any defensive placement Ivan brings in for next season will be capable of playing like this (if we persist with the system).
 

Personally, I like it, I like the way it causes overloads out wide when the centre half underlaps . Chris Wilder was incredibly successful doing it in Sheffield Uniteds first season in the premier league. However, it does have downsides, the second season they got found out and better teams exploited it. You also need a really good central player who reads the game and is great defending 1 on 1 , as it can leave wide open spaces as we’ve seen the past 2 games. 

[Convict Colony]

56 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Pace. Said he lacked it months ago and got shot down.

Narcissistic injury - yellow card

[suewhistle]

37 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

First yard is in your head, and he doesn't have that either.

When you get to my age it's at least 2..

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Some people constantly banging on about playing 2 centre halves and abandoning the back 3, miss this entirely. The reason Bree plays is because the system relies on the 2 wide “centre halves” being converted full backs, Venables did it with Stewart Pearce & Gary Neville at times, if I remember correctly Koeman played Bertrand there as well. It’s why Bree plays and why THB looks like a fish out of water on occasions. Personally, I’d play THB or Janny B the central role, with Bree and Charlie Taylor as the wide ‘centre halves”, and I’d imagine any defensive placement Ivan brings in for next season will be capable of playing like this (if we persist with the system).
 

Personally, I like it, I like the way it causes overloads out wide when the centre half underlaps . Chris Wilder was incredibly successful doing it in Sheffield Uniteds first season in the premier league. However, it does have downsides, the second season they got found out and better teams exploited it. You also need a really good central player who reads the game and is great defending 1 on 1 , as it can leave wide open spaces as we’ve seen the past 2 games. 

My memory is that it's normally one full back in the back three, not two. So Neville, Bertrand, Walker at various times alongside two centre backs

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

First yard is in your head, and he doesn't have that either.

He's still young for a centre back who often improve with experience, Jose Fonte, I'd be happy with him if he sticks with us in the championship, Goal scoring England international, he might move for money though as he has a wedding to pay for 

[Disco Stu]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I can totally understand why footballers and the Manager and the club would want to play that way though. I can also see why supporters like myself respected the idealism and absolutism.

It makes our players our team our club look like football Gods when it works. Playing the beautiful game beautifully must be the ultimate feeling for a pro- even for amateurs.  

That might be your opinion. For me, it was the absolute most boring way to play football, even when it "worked".

Edited Sunday at 13:13 by Disco Stu

[Lord Duckhunter]

39 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

My memory is that it's normally one full back in the back three, not two. So Neville, Bertrand, Walker at various times alongside two centre backs

You’re probably right, my memory plays tricks with me and games merge into each other. You defo need converted full backs, like Walker/ Pearce or centre halves that can or have played full backs in those wide roles. Conte used Barzagli and Chiellini, both centre halves but capable of slipping into full backs. THB looks too much like a centre half to me, no surprise that he keeps getting done in the wider areas and defends too face on. His lack of pace is also a problem. Whilst Bree isn’t exactly rapid, his full back brain helps him out.

If he persists with this particular tactic, next season will be interesting because the central defender will need to be really strong as he’ll get battered about a bit without that much help,  as the wider 2 will be further away than English defenders are used to. He’ll have to win that individual battle every game. Janny B got rinsed by Delap a bit yesterday, and whilst other strikers won’t be as good,they’ll be just as big a test physically. 

[saintant]

43 minutes ago, Football Special said:

He's still young for a centre back who often improve with experience, Jose Fonte, I'd be happy with him if he sticks with us in the championship, Goal scoring England international, he might move for money though as he has a wedding to pay for 

Surely that's down to the bride's father - get your check book out Roy 🙂

[Chez]

Watched the game back and after the thrill of winning and having a tiny ray of hope enter my heart, I am reminded that Ipswich are the second worse team in the division, and not a side blessed with talent. Yet they still created some very decent openings, cutting right through out centre, which they really didn't maximise. Encisco especially. I want to believe we can take confidence from this win and perhaps do something in the next, but I do wonder if the more ruthless Bournemouth will bury similar chances. We have to be better, tighter at the back. How often do we get chances like Delap scored from. That should not happen.  That's enough negativity from me for now. I want to get back to enjoying this wining feeling for the rest of the week.

Edited Sunday at 14:39 by Chez

[SWLondon Saint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’re probably right, my memory plays tricks with me and games merge into each other. You defo need converted full backs, like Walker/ Pearce or centre halves that can or have played full backs in those wide roles. Conte used Barzagli and Chiellini, both centre halves but capable of slipping into full backs. THB looks too much like a centre half to me, no surprise that he keeps getting done in the wider areas and defends too face on. His lack of pace is also a problem. Whilst Bree isn’t exactly rapid, his full back brain helps him out.

If he persists with this particular tactic, next season will be interesting because the central defender will need to be really strong as he’ll get battered about a bit without that much help,  as the wider 2 will be further away than English defenders are used to. He’ll have to win that individual battle every game. Janny B got rinsed by Delap a bit yesterday, and whilst other strikers won’t be as good,they’ll be just as big a test physically. 

Pretty sure Alonso usually uses 1 FB / CB in his 3CBs at Leverkusen. You could see at times in the 1st half yesterday we were doing exactly what most modern 3CB teams do which is effectively go to 4 at the back when in possession.

[Disco Stu]

37 minutes ago, Chez said:

Watched the game back and after the thrill of winning and having a tiny ray of hope enter my heart, I am reminded that Ipswich are the second worse team in the division, and not a side blessed with talent. Yet they didn't still create some very decent opening, cutting right through out centre, which they really didn't maximise. Encisco especially. I want to believe we can take confidence from this win and perhaps do something in the next, but I do wonder if the more ruthless Bournemouth will bury similar chances. We have to be better, tighter at the back. How often do we get chances like Delap scored from. That should not happen.  That's enough negativity from me for now. I want to get back to enjoying this wining feeling for the rest of the week.

I think some on here were getting a bit carried away yesterday. It's great to finally win but we were outplayed for the majority of the game. The main difference was the quality of the two goalkeepers. My concern is how we surrender the midfield. Every attack reached the edge of our box and we're putting way too much trust in our back three when we know how much of a liability they are.

We look much more dangerous going forward now that we're playing more direct but we're not defending any better. I'm not convinced by our chosen formation personally because I don't think we'll ever have players good enough to play it at this level but it might work in the Championship. Still, it's relatively early days for Juric so maybe after a few tweaks to his system as he adapts to English football, he could find a way of playing that we can embrace long-term.

Some of his substitutions still leave me scratching my head but I defintely feel more confident beating Derby's record under Juric than I did with Martin.

 

Edited Sunday at 14:50 by Disco Stu

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I think some on here were getting a bit carried away yesterday. It's great to finally win but we were outplayed for the majority of the game. The main difference was the quality of the two goalkeepers. My concern is how we surrender the midfield. Every attack reached the edge of our box and we're putting way too much trust in our back three when we know how much of a liability they are.

We look much more dangerous going forward now that we're playing more direct but we're not defending any better. I'm not convinced by our chosen formation personally because I don't think we'll ever have players good enough to play it at this level but it might work in the Championship. Still, it's early days for Juric so maybe a few tweaks to the system to adapt could make things work in the longer term.

Some of his substituions still leave me scratching my head but I defintely feel more confident in beating Derby's record under Juric than I did with Martin.

 

I'm with you. Not a fan of three at the back at all, but we sure are giving it bloody good test. Thought Les had a poor game. His performance levels are very up and down. We just didn't control the midfield and when that happens you are very vulnerable. As for the keepers making the difference, this is why we paid top dollar and it paid off yesterday. Management, formations and tactics are all very important, but quality of player is critical.

[The Realist]

6 hours ago, benjii said:

I agree and disagree.

THB challenged for the ball so was justified in being there. Bree just wandered over, completely exposing Bednarek. He needs to hold his position and cover Delap. He also strolls back as the attack unfolds. 

Bednarek trying to cover two players, but probably should have moved more central as clearly that's where the biggest threat is.

A mental lapse from Bree the main cause IMO.

I think if Wellington was closer to the guy running in the leftback position, then Bednarek would have been closer to Delap and maybe that goal would not have happened.  Poor challenges in the middle allowed the chance which is the biggest danger to this man to man marking.  If one player gets beaten in the middle of the park, we are in trouble. 

[davefizzy14]

It was such a workman like performance yesterday. Glad we got the win and three points, hopefully we can push on now 😊 Aribo (my MOTM), KWP, Bree, Fernandes, Ugochukwu, Welington, Ramsdale, Gronbaek, Sulemana and Onuachu all superb 😊

Edited Sunday at 23:58 by davefizzy14

[benjii]

3 hours ago, The Realist said:

I think if Wellington was closer to the guy running in the leftback position, then Bednarek would have been closer to Delap and maybe that goal would not have happened.  Poor challenges in the middle allowed the chance which is the biggest danger to this man to man marking.  If one player gets beaten in the middle of the park, we are in trouble. 

Yes. One of the reasons we need a proper defensive midfielder to sit in as well. 

[Roo1976]

12 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

For all the plaudits THB got last season Bednarek was the better player IMO. 

THB seems to be struggling atm even with simple passes,on the other hand when Smallbone came on i believe he touched the ball 5-6 times in total,looked lost.

[Osvaldorama]

21 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

First yard is in your head, and he doesn't have that either.

Yet. 
 

He’s still ridiculously young for a CB. 
He has been poor this season, but I still like him. He will have learned a lot this year and hopefully can continue to develop. If he stays, he will be class again next season in the champ  

I still really don’t like this 3-4-3 formation.. I don’t think it suits any of our players really, but can’t fault the effort juric has installed.
 

[Farmer Saint]

30 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Yet. 
 

He’s still ridiculously young for a CB. 
He has been poor this season, but I still like him. He will have learned a lot this year and hopefully can continue to develop. If he stays, he will be class again next season in the champ  

I still really don’t like this 3-4-3 formation.. I don’t think it suits any of our players really, but can’t fault the effort juric has installed.
 

I'm not saying he'll never be good, but he's not a Prem level defender yet, and he's playing in the Prem alongside another Championship level defender. That is the issue.

[OldNick]

19 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

I think some on here were getting a bit carried away yesterday. It's great to finally win but we were outplayed for the majority of the game. The main difference was the quality of the two goalkeepers. My concern is how we surrender the midfield. Every attack reached the edge of our box and we're putting way too much trust in our back three when we know how much of a liability they are.

We look much more dangerous going forward now that we're playing more direct but we're not defending any better. I'm not convinced by our chosen formation personally because I don't think we'll ever have players good enough to play it at this level but it might work in the Championship. Still, it's relatively early days for Juric so maybe after a few tweaks to his system as he adapts to English football, he could find a way of playing that we can embrace long-term.

Some of his substitutions still leave me scratching my head but I defintely feel more confident beating Derby's record under Juric than I did with Martin.

 

Our players are still learning the man to man system. It is a complete change to what most players have been brought up doing

[franniesTache]

Have to say i enjoyed my trip up to Town Saturday, definitely one of my favourite aways in the country, some great pubs (drunk in the dove, the briarbanks and the lord nelson) and the Town fans are a really decent bunch. Plus for once the bus replacement really wasn't that bad, and barely added anything onto the journey.

 

Obviously actually winning a game helps, but if i'm honest i thought we were pretty jammy in winning it, the fair result would've probably been a draw and if anything Ipswich edged it over the course of the game.

 

That said it was nice to see us actually doing the simple things right and attacking the other side, it's really starting to feel like the idiocy of Martin's reign of terror is lifting and the players aren't constantly reverting to passing the ball around pointlessly and trying to play walking football.

 

Clearly all way to little to late, but i'm now at last thinking we might now "break" Derby's record, just wish we'd got shot of Martin much, much sooner as this team/squad could've been competitive still (not out of the relegation spots i'd guess, but still in with a shout).

 

Such a shame the board had to stick with such a cluelessly inept manager for so long really

[OldNick]

18 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

Have to say i enjoyed my trip up to Town Saturday, definitely one of my favourite aways in the country, some great pubs (drunk in the dove, the briarbanks and the lord nelson) and the Town fans are a really decent bunch. Plus for once the bus replacement really wasn't that bad, and barely added anything onto the journey.

 

Obviously actually winning a game helps, but if i'm honest i thought we were pretty jammy in winning it, the fair result would've probably been a draw and if anything Ipswich edged it over the course of the game.

 

That said it was nice to see us actually doing the simple things right and attacking the other side, it's really starting to feel like the idiocy of Martin's reign of terror is lifting and the players aren't constantly reverting to passing the ball around pointlessly and trying to play walking football.

 

Clearly all way to little to late, but i'm now at last thinking we might now "break" Derby's record, just wish we'd got shot of Martin much, much sooner as this team/squad could've been competitive still (not out of the relegation spots i'd guess, but still in with a shout).

 

Such a shame the board had to stick with such a cluelessly inept manager for so long really

It is a shame we are being ungrateful to RM he wasnt too bad, although his football was boring but it became successful in the lower league. Im delighted with the upgrade in IJ though, and at least seeing some more attacking play

[franniesTache]

10 minutes ago, OldNick said:

It is a shame we are being ungrateful to RM he wasnt too bad, although his football was boring but it became successful in the lower league. Im delighted with the upgrade in IJ though, and at least seeing some more attacking play

I didn't particularly like Martin in the championship either to be honest, always thought he was arrogant and his style was dubious at best. In my opinion we got promoted despite Martin not because of him, and that dogmatic cultish approach turned into the worst manager we've ever had (and potentially the worst the english top flight has ever seen).

Am I happy we got promoted? I was at the time. Am i grateful to Martin? Not really his stubborn arrogance has humiliated us.

[spyinthesky]

What concerns me about the win at Ipswich after the initial euphoria wore off is, by common consent, we were rather lucky to get the three points against a team who are the second worst in the Prem.
We deserve to be where we are and the challenge for Juric and the management team is to create a system of play that suits a relatively mediocre group of players.
I do wish him all the best in this difficult task.

[S-Clarke]

3 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

What concerns me about the win at Ipswich after the initial euphoria wore off is, by common consent, we were rather lucky to get the three points against a team who are the second worst in the Prem.
We deserve to be where we are and the challenge for Juric and the management team is to create a system of play that suits a relatively mediocre group of players.
I do wish him all the best in this difficult task.

You're not wrong, I thought in the main we were pretty shit. In fact it was a truly horrible game of football to watch, a proper slug fest between two awful sides.

We came out on top of this one, but based on that I can't imagine us pulling any sort of run together against better sides, of which all 18 others are.