PSR Spend over the years...

[Farmer Saint]

So obviously this has been something that has been debated over and over through the season, but I wanted to outline the spend between promoted clubs over the years.

As we know, PSR is a funny fucker, where transfers are charged over the length of the contract, but sales are counted in full against that year. Salary increases are obviously counted against that years accounts.

Below is an outline of the last 9 promoted clubs, and their PSR Spend for the promoted year. Transfer fees are taken from Transfermarket and wages from Capology:

Southampton 24/25:

Transfer spend: £25m

Wage increase: £7m

Transfer Income: £35m

Total: £3m profit

 

Leicester 24/25:

Transfer spend: £19m

Wage increase: £6m

Transfer Income: £40m

Total: £15m profit

 

Ipswich 24/25:

Transfer spend: £32m

Wage increase: £20m

Transfer Income: £2m

Total: £50m spend

 

Burnley 23/24:

Transfer spend: £23.5m

Wage increase: £12m

Transfer Income: £3m

Total: £32.5m spend

 

Sheff Utd 23/24:

Transfer spend: £23.5m

Wage increase: £12m

Transfer Income: £3m

Total: £32.5m spend

 

Luton 23/24:

Transfer spend: £5.5m

Wage increase: £17m

Transfer Income: £0.3m

Total: £22.2m spend

 

Fulham 22/23:

Transfer spend: £16m

Wage increase: £20m

Transfer Income: £21.5m

Total: £14.5m spend

 

Bournemouth 22/23:

Transfer spend: £17.5m

Wage increase: £13.5m

Transfer Income: £0m

Total: £31m spend

 

Forest 22/23:

Transfer spend: £42m

Wage increase: £54m

Transfer Income: £4m

Total: £92m spend

 

And just for comparison purposes, here is our spend from our relegation season:

 

Saints 22/23:

Transfer spend: £32.5m

Wage increase: £3.5m

Transfer Income: £4.5m

Total: £31.5m spend

 

As we've known this season we have PSR issues (alongside Leicester), but it's interesting to see the spends that took place over the years (and just look at Forest!!!).

Edited Tuesday at 10:11 by Farmer Saint

[Turkish]

can you please change Bompey to Bournemouth, thanks.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Turkish said:

can you please change Bompey to Bournemouth, thanks.

Yes I can

[Turkish]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Yes I can

thank you 

[goodymatt]

No wonder we aren’t competitive, we have spent well below the amount required to improve the team to be remotely competitive.

Fulham seems quite impressive but they had spent a lot on their previous visit. 

[hypochondriac]

The only positive from this is that if we can get promoted next year, we've been a lot more frugal this season so should be in a position to spend a lot more if we wanted to in an attempt to survive. 

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

The only positive from this is that if we can get promoted next year, we've been a lot more frugal this season so should be in a position to spend a lot more if we wanted to in an attempt to survive. 

Is this part of 10 year Solak plan? 

Joking aside we will have more freedom to spend and hopefully some pretty clear lessons learned, should we be fortunate enough to bounce back at the first time of asking, again.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The only positive from this is that if we can get promoted next year, we've been a lot more frugal this season so should be in a position to spend a lot more if we wanted to in an attempt to survive. 

We also don't have the hangover from 2022/2023 which we do currently as that year will be out of the 3 year cycle.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

Is this part of 10 year Solak plan? 

Joking aside we will have more freedom to spend and hopefully some pretty clear lessons learned, should we be fortunate enough to bounce back at the first time of asking, again.

It's why I consistently said last year that getting promoted is probably not the best thing for the club as we'd be hamstrung.

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's why I consistently said last year that getting promoted is probably not the best thing for the club as we'd be hamstrung.

Guess going up has at least given us PL money for this season, which should help the numbers for next time too. We just have to yo-yo again, but can we do it?

[Whitey Grandad]

40 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Is this part of 10 year Solak plan? 

Joking aside we will have more freedom to spend and hopefully some pretty clear lessons learned, should we be fortunate enough to bounce back at the first time of asking, again.

We now have Downes and THB on our books and a large lump of money must have gone on them.

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We now have Downes and THB on our books and a large lump of money must have gone on them.

Yes, Downes £15m (up to £18m) and THB straight £20m. But they are starters for us next season if they stay. Only one you can expect to go is THB who should only leave for a profit.

[Whitey Grandad]

10 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Yes, Downes £15m (up to £18m) and THB straight £20m. But they are starters for us next season if they stay. Only one you can expect to go is THB who should only leave for a profit.

Ta. You can’t really say that they improved the squad since they were here the season before.

[Farmer Saint]

15 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We now have Downes and THB on our books and a large lump of money must have gone on them.

Yep £35m to sign those two, and we lost Che and Stu, so £35m to go backwards before the season even started.

[OldNick]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's why I consistently said last year that getting promoted is probably not the best thing for the club as we'd be hamstrung.

perhaps, but that day !!!

[Saint86]

Doesn't include agents fees so i doubt very much that we've turned a proft. Also doesn't include costs associated with manager changes or other behind the scenes staff.

Reality is that we're both hamstrung by new PSR rules (and so can't really compare to the likes of forest etc.), and by that covid loan. Like it or not, promotion was probably more important for the long term financial stability of the club more than it was about having to stay up - hence some of the buys like Woods/Edwards and preparing for another year in the champ. We've also had/have a bloated squad full of bad / inappropriate buys that has to be reset - likely at a loss (the likes of mara, abk, onuachu, bazunu etc).

Edited Tuesday at 13:55 by Saint86

[Farmer Saint]

55 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Doesn't include agents fees so i doubt very much that we've turned a proft. Also doesn't include costs associated with manager changes or other behind the scenes staff.

Reality is that we're both hamstrung by new PSR rules (and so can't really compare to the likes of forest etc.), and by that covid loan. Like it or not, promotion was probably more important for the long term financial stability of the club more than it was about having to stay up - hence some of the buys like Woods/Edwards and preparing for another year in the champ. We've also had/have a bloated squad full of bad / inappropriate buys that has to be reset - likely at a loss (the likes of mara, abk, onuachu, bazunu etc).

Agreed, but I'm just talking transfer costs (not including signing on fees/agent fees as can't get hold of these). It's more indicative of the spend versus other promoted clubs.