Saints 1-3 Newcastle - Match Thread

[Mr X]

Just now, BotleySaint said:

At this level, yes. 

Does lots of things right till he gets anywhere near goal.... Sounds like virtually all are strikers

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Because it does not particularly suit the style of faster paced football played here.

Slow Martinball was disastrous. Juric's football is a lot quicker. We just lack PL quality in many areas whatever formation or style of play we use.

Edited Saturday at 15:47 by Matthew Le God

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Slow Martinball was disastrous. Juric's football is a lot quicker. We just lack PL quality in many areas whatever formation we use.

That is a completely separate point, I do not disagree

however, I hope we move to a manager who does not favour 3 at the back.

[Saint NL]

Nasty one on tall Paul.

No card of course 🙄

[Mr X]

So did Martin just get lucky with the six points he did get? We have had better performances under juric but come away with nothing points wise 

[danjosaint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Because it does not particularly suit the style of faster paced football played 

People don't  understand that,  especially that comment from mlg, shows he's no clue 

[OttawaSaint]

Saints player would have fucking walked for what Joelinton just did. 

Edited Saturday at 15:49 by OttawaSaint

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Mr X said:

So did Martin just get lucky with the six points he did get? We have had better performances under juric but come away with nothing points wise 

5 points for Martin

[Toussaint]

We couldn’t make a decent midfield of any more than 3 players, that’s pushing it. 

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

People don't  understand that,  especially that comment from mlg, shows he's no clue 

Juric's style is faster, significantly faster than Martin's. We are a lost cause whatever we do with this squad. That doesn't mean three at the back is a bad idea.

Edited Saturday at 15:52 by Matthew Le God

[Toussaint]

1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

Saints player would have fucking walked for what Joelinton just did. 

It was disgraceful. Thats what happens when you are in our position, you get not and no one cares

[jamesfp1]

Are refs told to screw us over before each game? Fucking give us a chance ffs. 

[obelisk]

I take it as a plus that Saints didn't totally capitulate. Some fight there but I want to see more balls played into the penalty area once we reach the attacking third.

[Baird of the land]

Pretty positive half. Slightly frustrated how little we crossed the ball until late.

Isak is real threat and took his 2nd nicely.

still fuming about the penalty award.

[Saint NL]

Just now, jamesfp1 said:

Are refs told to screw us over before each game? Fucking give us a chance ffs. 

Did you see the red card in the arsenal game? I think they're just useless.

 

Link to the incident: https://streamff.com/v/490557e7

 

 

[sfc4prem]

Just now, jamesfp1 said:

Are refs told to screw us over before each game? Fucking give us a chance ffs. 

Absolutely. Feels like because we're cannon fodder, you can do what you fucking please to us. 

[badgerx16]

Just now, jamesfp1 said:

Are refs told to screw us over before each game? Fucking give us a chance ffs. 

Not purely Saints - "big" clubs are needed to protect the PL brand.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Toussaint said:

It was disgraceful. Thats what happens when you are in our position, you get not and no one cares

He's got form for doing this, you'd think refs would know.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Juric's style is faster, significantly faster than Martin's. We are a lost cause whatever we do with this squad.

No one is disputing that. 
however, in the summer I hope we ditch Juric if he is wedded to this system 

[benjii]

1 minute ago, Saint NL said:

Did you see the red card in the arsenal game? I think they're just useless.

 

Link to the incident: https://streamff.com/v/490557e7

 

 

Hilarious. 

Seems like they are trying to justify it as a high challenge rather than DGSO.

[SWLondon Saint]

How the hell can var not even look at that Joelinton foul, it's so one sided it's not even a joke.

[goodymatt]

How many times have we had PGMOL quote high bar and screw us. Where was that high bar for the pen? You can even see Isak move his foot a quick step to the side before diving over. They watched it so many times that it can’t be a clear and obvious error. Had to stick with on field decision. Unsurprisingly heads drop and it’s a 2nd goal in quick succession. Mentality is so fragile.

Made me think of the semedo one at wolves where our attacking player was deemed to foul semedo. Both ridiculous decisions and there is just no consistency, barring one, the decisions going against us!

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No one is disputing that. 
however, in the summer I hope we ditch Juric if he is wedded to this system 

We love a manager who is wedded to a certain system

[Saint Fan CaM]

Story of the game so far. On top, one up  and with some wind in our sails. Officials didn’t like that so VAR gave a soft pen and the Ref didn’t have the balls to stick with his own decision. Newcastle score the pen, our heads drop and our defence opens up like a flower for them to score again. 1-2.

Too many sub-standard players across the team to get back into this. It’ll end 1-4 or possibly 1-5.

[It's There]

Fed up with VAR.

Saints just can’t get a break at the moment.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No one is disputing that. 
however, in the summer I hope we ditch Juric if he is wedded to this system 

Why wouldn't it work in the Championship given we'd have a higher quality of player vs the majority of opponents? Or if we return to the PL and if we finally sort out our recruitment under the potentially soon-to-arrive Johannes Spors overseeing it?

Edited Saturday at 15:55 by Matthew Le God

[Disco Stu]

3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

We couldn’t make a decent midfield of any more than 3 players, that’s pushing it. 

We can't field a decent midfield 3 despite signing 3 midfielders in the summer (Downes, Lallana, Uguchukwu) whilst deciding to sell Alcaraz and we can't field a decent back 3 despite signing 3 centre halfs in the summer (THB, Wood, Edwards).

 

Sport Republic OUT!

[sfc4prem]

I get frustrated when decisions go against us or teams turn our lead over with ease.

 

Then I remember we're on our way back to the Championship regardless, so my frustration disappears into ambivalence pretty sharpish.

[drd]

Joelinton seems to have diplomatic immunity or something . Should have been sent off last week Vs Bournemouth too

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Why wouldn't it work in the Championship? Or if we return to the PL and if we finally sort out our recruitment under the potentially soon-to-arrive Johannes Spors overseeing it?

For the reasons I gave (English paced game)

anyhow, I can’t be arsed having a ding dong with you about it, so I will leave it there

 

[Zorba]

The joy has truly gone now. Didn’t even cheer when JB scored, you just know it’s all pointless. So predictable.

[benjii]

1 minute ago, drd said:

Joelinton seems to have diplomatic immunity or something . Should have been sent off last week Vs Bournemouth too

Yeah, he's a complete cunt. Hate this Newcastle team.

[Whitey Grandad]

26 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The idea of using VAR isn't the issue, it is the people using it. If the Premier League hired the best officials from around the world then VAR would be significantly better. Instead, they largely stick to English referees.

But you can't separate the one from the other. Therefore VAR is a shit idea.

[sfc4prem]

Just now, Zorba said:

The joy has truly gone now. Didn’t even cheer when JB scored, you just know it’s all pointless. So predictable.

Agreed. At least nothing hurts anymore.

[Elmore Saint]

At the game and it had a cracking atmosphere particularly after we scored. The VAR got involved which took absolutely forever and it literally sucked every drop of colour out of the game. Horrendous system which the Norwegians have got wise to. Add in a ref who might be having a free Saudi holiday off the back of this and the game at this level feels rotten. Roll on next year. 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

For the reasons I gave (English paced game)

Juric uses a fast paced style and will have a higher quality of player in his midfield next season in the Championship relative to the majority of opponents compared to our struggles this season. So why wouldn't it work?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, benjii said:

Yeah, he's a complete cunt. Hate this Newcastle team.

In the complete image of their smug manager

[Mr X]

9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

5 points for Martin

Did he get lucky with the 5 points then? 😂

[sfc4prem]

Just now, Elmore Saint said:

At the game and it had a cracking atmosphere particularly after we scored. The VAR got involved which took absolutely forever and it literally sucked every drop of colour out of the game. Horrendous system which the Norwegians have got wise to. Add in a ref who might be having a free Saudi holiday off the back of this and the game at this level feels rotten. Roll on next year. 

Would the PL ever get rid? It's a system that's fairly easy to rig in favour of bigger clubs, so I guess not...?

[Elmore Saint]

Just now, sfc4prem said:

Would the PL ever get rid? It's a system that's fairly easy to rig in favour of bigger clubs, so I guess not...?

And there it is…..

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, sfc4prem said:

Would the PL ever get rid? It's a system that's fairly easy to rig in favour of bigger clubs, so I guess not...?

They wouldn't have the bollocks to bin it

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But you can't separate the one from the other. Therefore VAR is a shit idea.

You can separate them... if you hired the best refs from around the world rather than limiting yourself to largely just English ones. Opening up the market for the best refs improves the use of VAR, in the same way the influx of foreign players into the PL significantly increased the quality level of the players in the league.

[benjii]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

In the complete image of their smug manager

Sort of, except they are a bunch of thugs, whereas Howe looks soft as shite.

[Tanlee]

Looks like Isak initiates any contact their might be, I could get worked up about it only given our current status I can't be arsed 

[trousers]

Greeting from St.Mary's. My first match of the Juric era. Not a great performance but at least it feels like I'm watching a game of football compared to a game of chess under the previous regime. 

Big Les and Fernandes the standout players for us. 

Newcastle far more threatening in the final third than us (#statingtheobvious) but the ref is giving us absolutely nothing. Their defenders are consistently fouling Tall Paul but not a jot from the referee. Indeed, I think their second goal emanated from such an incident if I remember correctly (?)

And as for the VAR decision, I'm right behind the goal where it happened and didn't look like a penalty in real to me. Once again, how can it take them so long to overturn the original decision given it must have been a "clear and obvious error"...? The ensuing Northam chant of "Premier League, corrupt as f***" was spot on.

Still think we could sneak a result here but probably wishful thinking!

Edited Saturday at 16:03 by trousers

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

You can separate them... if you hired the best refs from around the world rather than limiting yourself to largely just English ones. Opening up the market for the best refs improves the use of VAR, in the same way the influx of foreign players into the PL significantly increased the quality level of the players in the league.

Do you know of any league in the world that does not use refs from their own nation?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

Sort of, except they are a bunch of thugs, whereas Howe looks soft as shite.

He's got them well versed in the dark arts of niggly fouls that have a habit of going unnoticed by officals

[benjii]

Anthony Gordon's barnet. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How and why?

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Do you know of any league in the world that does not use refs from their own nation?

No, but is that a compelling reason not to do it? It should be on merit, not nationality! The PL wants the best players from around the world, so why not the best officials hired from around the world?

Edited Saturday at 16:07 by Matthew Le God

[obelisk]

Game underway. Tall Paul gets kicked but no yellow card for some reason.