Saints 1-3 Newcastle - Match Thread

[woodsaint1]

The back 3 of THB, Bednarek and Bree (wtf) isnt working - conceded 3 today, 3 against Forest, 3 against United and I think we played Taylor there in the second half against Brentford and we proceeded to concede 4.

Can we go with Bednarek, ABK and Wood in the next game please.

Also given the contributions of Archer, AA and Onuachu this season, would it be so bad to give Ballard minutes for the rest of the season. We might want to rely on him next season so the experience (even in a shite team) will do him the world of good.

Would like to see us line up against Ipswich as follows

                     Ramsdale

         ABK    Bednarek   Wood

KWP       Les   Fernandes   Welington

                      Gronbaek

               Ballard     Sulemana

Its not as if anybody other than Fernandes and maybe Bednarek warrant their spots

[Wade Garrett]

4 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Was she the one throwing it?

Would have hurt more if she did.  It was embarrassing.

[Wade Garrett]

1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said:

The back 3 of THB, Bednarek and Bree (wtf) isnt working - conceded 3 today, 3 against Forest, 3 against United and I think we played Taylor there in the second half against Brentford and we proceeded to concede 4.

Can we go with Bednarek, ABK and Wood in the next game please.

Also given the contributions of Archer, AA and Onuachu this season, would it be so bad to give Ballard minutes for the rest of the season. We might want to rely on him next season so the experience (even in a shite team) will do him the world of good.

Would like to see us line up against Ipswich as follows

                     Ramsdale

         ABK    Bednarek   Wood

KWP       Les   Fernandes   Welington

                      Gronbaek

               Ballard     Sulemana

Its not as if anybody other than Fernandes and maybe Bednarek warrant their spots

Let’s go 4 at the back.  Today, we had 3 centre-half’s and Jo Aribo sitting in there as well.  Ridiculous.

[woodsaint1]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Let’s go 4 at the back.  Today, we had 3 centre-half’s and Jo Aribo sitting in there as well.  Ridiculous.

Would love to. Not sure Juric knows what 4 at the back is though. Has he ever played it in his managerial career?

[Challenger]

Can someone end this misery, just put a sack over the entire club and then hit it with a fucking big stick .

 

[Football Special]

7 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Can someone end this misery, just put a sack over the entire club and then hit it with a fucking big stick .

 

I think it's been a few months now most of us have dreamed of a fast track back to the championship 

Fuck the Premier league 

Fuck sky sports 

Fuck VAR 

Fuck the fake friendly Geordies who quickly forget it was they who sank to the bottom before the sheikh oil oligarchs offered them a route to top flight competieness,I remember them taking smaller ticket allocation and us turning them over 4-0 , now they try to sing about empty seats in last few minutes,  bunch of cunts 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Let’s go 4 at the back.  Today, we had 3 centre-half’s and Jo Aribo sitting in there as well.  Ridiculous.

They all looked scared, understandable the way the season has panned out but I don't believe any of those players truly believes we'll get another point , huge psychological barrier 

Edited yesterday at 00:12 by Football Special

[macca155]

34 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Also given the contributions of Archer, AA and Onuachu this season, would it be so bad to give Ballard minutes for the rest of the season. We might want to rely on him next season

Absolutely and any other youngsters they'll be relying on next year.

Has to be done carefully. Cameos off the bench mainly, but they need to be given a chance.

[Gloucester Saint]

10 hours ago, Football Special said:

I think it's been a few months now most of us have dreamed of a fast track back to the championship 

Fuck the Premier league 

Fuck sky sports 

Fuck VAR 

Fuck the fake friendly Geordies who quickly forget it was they who sank to the bottom before the sheikh oil oligarchs offered them a route to top flight competieness,I remember them taking smaller ticket allocation and us turning them over 4-0 , now they try to sing about empty seats in last few minutes,  bunch of cunts 

Much of that is true, but Newcastle have been more limited in what they can spend by FFP and Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton don’t have Saudi backing. Much as I detest Stockley Park the main reason we are hating this season is that Sports Republic have completely destroyed anything and everything we valued about SFC, which was already hollowed out under Gao.

Tony Bloom is worth the same kind of ballpark as Dragan but the attention to detail and clarity on their transfer business and structure means that they not only trade players like we used to but when De Zerbi left, they got the succession right again, just like they did when Potter went to Chelsea, Bournemouth have the equivalent of Pochettino as manager, very highly regarded. Fit, high tempo style of play, beat Forest 5-0 today, who have been superb themselves under Nuno. On 12000 gates.

We’ve got the best foundations out of those clubs but so, so, so poorly run. The only way to sort it is new CEO, DoF, First Team Manager and biggest budget in the Championship. Big names. Clean the squad out as far as possible, and blow the division out the water like Wolves did under Nuno. Re-make the entire club. Then SR might, just might not be regarded as a total fucking joke by the industry, media and our fanbase. And it’s the least they owe the fanbase and city of Southampton frankly, we’re not even first in their food chain of clubs. 

Edited yesterday at 09:39 by Gloucester Saint

[HarvSFC]

Jan Bednarek is our joint top goal scorer in the league. After 23 matches.

[austsaint]

4 hours ago, madge said:

Too many players that look

average in the championship trying to step up in the premier league. Sports republic have absolutely destroyed our club and they don’t come in for any sort of criticism at the ground.. 

Today we needed to go to a flat back four. Nobody knew who was meant to be picking anyone up. Manning poor, Brie poor and Armstrong anonymous.

we score from a cross and we spend the rest of the game not putting crosses in? Just don’t get it.

only positive is fernandes.. he’s absolute quality and won’t be here next season though.

time now to cash in on the better players.. focus on the cup And next season. 
the owner can do one as well, he’s allowed this shower of shite to occur under his watch. 

 

You knew once the line up was announced that “too many players who looked average in the championship trying to step up”  would lead to inevitable defeat.  Manning, Bree, Armstrong and then subs like Smallbone, Archer and Fraser.  Not their fault…..they should never have been given the responsibility at this level.   Just two players (KWP and Fernandes) of obvious quality on the pitch is a wretched fail by SR in the aftermath of last season’s promotion.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, HarvSFC said:

Jan Bednarek is our joint top goal scorer in the league. After 23 matches.

Even under Ralph, whenever Jan scored in a home game it always meant a 2-3 home defeat, obviously today we only got the one. 

[Fabrice29]

Obvious penalty btw, cant honestly believe any of you really think otherwise  

[die Mannyschaft]

Why can't we just put some through balls in between defenders run onto the ball and tap it in? All others teams can do this and win games. What's wrong with shooting first time on edge of box or in the box. If Saints don't learn the basics of how to score 6 points will hard to beat. Again played ok 15 min out of 95.

[Whitey Grandad]

24 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Obvious penalty btw, cant honestly believe any of you really think otherwise  

Aribo being dragged down by the pull on his shirt?

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Aribo being dragged down by the pull on his shirt?

Yes every time someone has their shirt pulled they immediately dive in with a mistimed tackle don't they. Come on now, lets not turn ourselves into Arsenal. Aribo has jumped in, caught the player and not the ball, it's a textbook penalty.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

Yes every time someone has their shirt pulled they immediately dive in with a mistimed tackle don't they. Come on now, lets not turn ourselves into Arsenal. Aribo has jumped in, caught the player and not the ball, it's a textbook penalty.

His shirt was being pulled as he tried to make the tackle. That’s why it was mistimed. Or do you think that shirt pulling is not a foul in itself?

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yes every time someone has their shirt pulled they immediately dive in with a mistimed tackle don't they. Come on now, lets not turn ourselves into Arsenal. Aribo has jumped in, caught the player and not the ball, it's a textbook penalty.

Here’s a post of yours I do agree with.

[Football Special]

9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yes every time someone has their shirt pulled they immediately dive in with a mistimed tackle don't they. Come on now, lets not turn ourselves into Arsenal. Aribo has jumped in, caught the player and not the ball, it's a textbook penalty.

"Textbook " = no onfield official gave it and took several minutes VAR review.

[Football Special]

4 hours ago, LGTL said:

I agree. He’s a fucking awful player and I’d have him nowhere near the squad. Lazy as shit too.

Have to agree, I think he's hoping playing this badly will.encourage us to return to sender  

[LoyalSaintSO50]

11 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yes every time someone has their shirt pulled they immediately dive in with a mistimed tackle don't they. Come on now, lets not turn ourselves into Arsenal. Aribo has jumped in, caught the player and not the ball, it's a textbook penalty.

Lol you sure? No chance we’d get given that up there. We’ve been had over many a time this season. Hopefully someone can do a compilation. The players can’t be arsed to get on at the officials bias sadly 

[Fabrice29]

16 minutes ago, Football Special said:

"Textbook " = no onfield official gave it and took several minutes VAR review.

Textbook = makes a tackle, doesn't get the ball and brings down the player. Doesn't matter how long it takes, it's quite obviously a foul.

 

25 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

His shirt was being pulled as he tried to make the tackle. That’s why it was mistimed. Or do you think that shirt pulling is not a foul in itself?

I don't have the words for this level of thinking. You don't have to over think this one just because you're a Saints fan and it's gone against you. If you see someone make a bad tackle, it's a bad tackle. Shirts are pulled hundreds of times a game, not all of them end with a mistimed tackle.

11 minutes ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said:

Lol you sure? No chance we’d get given that up there. We’ve been had over many a time this season. Hopefully someone can do a compilation. The players can’t be arsed to get on at the officials bias sadly 

Nor words for this level of conspiracy either. Yes, we've had bad decisions against us, everyone has, it's annoying but none of those bad decisions mean that Joe Aribo making a mis timed challenge on Isak isn't a foul.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I don't have the words for this level of thinking. You don't have to over think this one just because you're a Saints fan and it's gone against you. If you see someone make a bad tackle, it's a bad tackle. Shirts are pulled hundreds of times a game, not all of them end with a mistimed tackle.

I’m an ex-referee. I don’t over think anything. In your last sentence here you say “not all of them end with a mistimed tackle” which means that you accept that at least some of them do. 
 

So I repeat, is being pulled down by your own shirt an offence, and if not, why not?

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

I’m an ex-referee. I don’t over think anything. In your last sentence here you say “not all of them end with a mistimed tackle” which means that you accept that at least some of them do. 
 

So I repeat, is being pulled down by your own shirt an offence, and if not, why not?

He’s not pulled down ffs 😂

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

He’s not pulled down ffs 😂

Look at it again.

This time not as a Newcastle fan but as a neutral. Like me.
 

 

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Look at it again.

This time not as a Newcastle fan but as a neutral. Like me.
 

 

No. I said it was a penalty in the ground as it happened. The two qualified refs who have viewed it on video have said it’s a penalty. Joe Aribo didn’t looked particularly perplexed when it was given as a penalty and nor did he seem to be arguing he’d been pulled down at any stage. I’ve watched it again earlier and on MOTD and confirmed my original thought that Aribo, shirt being held or not, actively makes a decision to make a tackle and does not get the ball. So no, I will not look at it again.  

[LoyalSaintSO50]

20 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Textbook = makes a tackle, doesn't get the ball and brings down the player. Doesn't matter how long it takes, it's quite obviously a foul.

 

I don't have the words for this level of thinking. You don't have to over think this one just because you're a Saints fan and it's gone against you. If you see someone make a bad tackle, it's a bad tackle. Shirts are pulled hundreds of times a game, not all of them end with a mistimed tackle.

Nor words for this level of conspiracy either. Yes, we've had bad decisions against us, everyone has, it's annoying but none of those bad decisions mean that Joe Aribo making a mis timed challenge on Isak isn't a foul.

Just had another look, you’re wrong mate, the pundit on the clip said ‘ridiculous decision’.

Like I said, no way we’d get that up there. And no, not everyone gets robbed like we do weekly. We’re struggling but a level playing field on the officiating would be a bonus 

Our players are too much like you sadly and accept this shite 

[Fabrice29]

17 minutes ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said:

Just had another look, you’re wrong mate, the pundit on the clip said ‘ridiculous decision’.

Like I said, no way we’d get that up there. And no, not everyone gets robbed like we do weekly. We’re struggling but a level playing field on the officiating would be a bonus 

Our players are too much like you sadly and accept this shite 

Haha you and that pundit keep fighting the good fight mate. Don’t let us lowly little losers bring you down by using our eyes. You’re on a whole different level to everyone else and one day you can educate us all on the referees deliberate attempt to officiate the mighty Saints on an unlevel playing field. We’ll all bow down to your knowledge one day and we’ll all unsee Aribo quite clearly catching Isak and not getting the ball. 

Edit: and yes that shirt pulling means that whatever he does he just won’t ever be able to touch the ball just a few inches next to him. You’re all so right.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:23 by Fabrice29

[captainchris]

2 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

The back 3 of THB, Bednarek and Bree (wtf) isnt working - conceded 3 today, 3 against Forest, 3 against United and I think we played Taylor there in the second half against Brentford and we proceeded to concede 4.

Can we go with Bednarek, ABK and Wood in the next game please.

Also given the contributions of Archer, AA and Onuachu this season, would it be so bad to give Ballard minutes for the rest of the season. We might want to rely on him next season so the experience (even in a shite team) will do him the world of good.

Would like to see us line up against Ipswich as follows

                     Ramsdale

         ABK    Bednarek   Wood

KWP       Les   Fernandes   Welington

                      Gronbaek

               Ballard     Sulemana

Its not as if anybody other than Fernandes and maybe Bednarek warrant their spots

You lost all credibility when you said Bednerek deserved his spot…. 
He clearly doesn’t and should be sold or rented out…..

The guy is not good enough …. 

[LGTL]

Playing Bree in a 3 CB system is killing us at the moment. If you’re insistent on playing this way, then ABK and Wood have to come in. We are playing 3 central defenders and arguably our best 2 are sat on the fucking bench. 

[benjii]

2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Playing Bree in a 3 CB system is killing us at the moment. If you’re insistent on playing this way, then ABK and Wood have to come in. We are playing 3 central defenders and arguably our best 2 are sat on the fucking bench. 

Bree seems like a nice lad and he's got a decent right foot, but he clearly isn't a PL quality player. He's like Fox/Manning etc. Works hard, gives his best, will produce moments due to having a sweet boot, but lacks athleticism, guile, composure - things you need at the top level.

Again, it's a poor reflection on the recruitment and management this season that we are shoehorning Championship players into our system.

 

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Playing Bree in a 3 CB system is killing us at the moment. If you’re insistent on playing this way, then ABK and Wood have to come in. We are playing 3 central defenders and arguably our best 2 are sat on the fucking bench. 

We are largely doing it because the manager is wedded to this system.

 

[Pamplemousse]

18 minutes ago, benjii said:

Bree seems like a nice lad and he's got a decent right foot, but he clearly isn't a PL quality player. He's like Fox/Manning etc. Works hard, gives his best, will produce moments due to having a sweet boot, but lacks athleticism, guile, composure - things you need at the top level.

Again, it's a poor reflection on the recruitment and management this season that we are shoehorning Championship players into our system.

 

And a Championship player who barely played for us last season.

He does at least put the effort in, can't say the same about some others sadly 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

11 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

There's no way we compete in the Championship next season, no matter what anyone says. The club will take some time to recover from the absolute shambles of having a 'season off' of professional football. I see us heading into Stoke and Swansea territory at lightning speed and becoming an absolutley nothing Championship side.

People talk about the target of reaching Derby's points total but our similarities with Derby go further. Both were once established premier league clubs, both squeezed promotion in to the premier league, both fell out/are falling out ignominiously, both have/will have that negativity around the whole club. Problem is, Derby really haven't ever got going again. We're not going to cruise back in to the premier league next time unless there are some serious readjustments made over the summer both administratively and on the field. 

[woodsaint1]

6 hours ago, captainchris said:

You lost all credibility when you said Bednerek deserved his spot…. 
He clearly doesn’t and should be sold or rented out…..

The guy is not good enough …. 

Hes performing better than Bree and THB this season, and I dont want Stephens anywhere near the starting 11 after what hes done this season. So by the process of elimination and given Juric plays a back 3, you're left with Bednarek, ABK and Wood.

Hes also our top scorer this season 😂😂. He may not be good enough for the PL, but then we're in very short supply of anybody who is good enough

[stknowle]

12 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Just once, some day, I  would love the referee to say to VAR “This is taking far too long, you’ve had enough time, I’m going to go with our original decision”.

This 100%. There should be an absolute time limit, I’d say 1 minute and even that’s too long. It’s shit, it sucks all the spontaneity and enjoyment out of the game, and it doesn’t even do what it’s supposed to do which is iron out clear and obvious errors. Instead we have the bizarre spectacle of them examining replay after replay, angle after angle for any tiny shred of evidence to either overturn or not overturn the goal depending on which team scored it or if the VAR team are mates with the ref and want to make his original decision look right even if its wrong.

[macca155]

29 minutes ago, stknowle said:

This 100%. There should be an absolute time limit, I’d say 1 minute and even that’s too long. It’s shit, it sucks all the spontaneity and enjoyment out of the game, and it doesn’t even do what it’s supposed to do which is iron out clear and obvious errors. Instead we have the bizarre spectacle of them examining replay after replay, angle after angle for any tiny shred of evidence to either overturn or not overturn the goal depending on which team scored it or if the VAR team are mates with the ref and want to make his original decision look right even if its wrong.

It really is ridiculous, the whole going to the screen nonsense is a waste of time. It's a ref looking at VAR, he just needs to say 'it's a penalty mate' and move on quickly.

Offside can be managed by AI, they just need to trust the technology.

Having seen MOTD, both decisions yesterday were correct, but for me that's not the issue.

I didn't like them and I shall moan about it, but it's the time taken that cements frustration and unrest.

It's bollocks and has ruined the game.

[Convict Colony]

The catalyst for this spiral from us by SR stemmed from the 22 summer they decided to keep Ralph and didnt get him the striker we all know we needed. 

Every decision after that has just compounded the problems into this shit show we currently are.

 

 

[Thripp87]

Well I told the nation on Talk Sport in October we wouldn’t reach 11 points. Utterly pathetic.

Also, I keep hearing how the step up is so big between the Premier League and the EFL, utter nonsense. If you get your house in order you can compete well, look at Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford and Forest in recent years. The issue isn’t money either, Dragon has spent money and written the cheques, the issue is the money was being spent by Rasmus and Martin, who seemingly just wanted to get his mates back on board.

[eurosaint]

37 minutes ago, stknowle said:

This 100%. There should be an absolute time limit, I’d say 1 minute and even that’s too long. It’s shit, it sucks all the spontaneity and enjoyment out of the game, and it doesn’t even do what it’s supposed to do which is iron out clear and obvious errors. Instead we have the bizarre spectacle of them examining replay after replay, angle after angle for any tiny shred of evidence to either overturn or not overturn the goal depending on which team scored it or if the VAR team are mates with the ref and want to make his original decision look right even if its wrong.

For me, the only thing that was "clear and obvious" was that it was not "clear and obvious" 😐

The PGMOL state that the referee is the final arbiter but in this (and many other cases!) the VAR bods basically made a subjective decision on their behalf !

Ps. I know that he went to the screen but by then they had already psychologically convinced him to change !!

[East Kent Saint]

Watching Motd I'm afraid it was a penalty in the current climate of big money football . A soft one but no ball contact and some foot contact so as it's not the Chopper Harris or Norman bites your legs era a penalty it is.

Apart from that Saints looked better but Newcastle were very good going forward , back 4 maybe plus better centre back pair ....

[Fabrice29]

23 minutes ago, eurosaint said:

For me, the only thing that was "clear and obvious" was that it was not "clear and obvious" 😐

The PGMOL state that the referee is the final arbiter but in this (and many other cases!) the VAR bods basically made a subjective decision on their behalf !

Ps. I know that he went to the screen but by then they had already psychologically convinced him to change !!

I reckon he went to the screen and saw the corner he’d given was incorrect because Aribo didn’t get the ball and gave a penalty because that was the clear and obvious correct decision rather than being psychologically convinced of anything.

[sfc4prem]

26 minutes ago, eurosaint said:

For me, the only thing that was "clear and obvious" was that it was not "clear and obvious" 😐

The PGMOL state that the referee is the final arbiter but in this (and many other cases!) the VAR bods basically made a subjective decision on their behalf !

Ps. I know that he went to the screen but by then they had already psychologically convinced him to change !!

Exactly. I can't remember seeing a referee being told to go to the screen and NOT changing his original decision. It's a farce. 

[Football Special]

16 hours ago, LGTL said:

Can’t believe how passive the fans are. I get it’s a massive pile of steaming shit and we’re not exactly Galatasaray, but no other club in the league would be accepting this absolute fucking shit show. 

Spoke to some Geordies last night in the pub, they were surprised that we weren't doing protests and said if it was them there would be a demo every home game, difference is they see it through the eyes of wanting Ashley out at all costs, we don't really have a board out motivation knowing they'd likely be replaced by others just as bad? 

 

 

 

 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

Playing Bree in a 3 CB system is killing us at the moment. If you’re insistent on playing this way, then ABK and Wood have to come in. We are playing 3 central defenders and arguably our best 2 are sat on the fucking bench. 

Two completely independant managers have decided not to play ABK for a single minute this season, not including that weird Cardiff half hour to try and show buyers he didn't have a heart problem. Whatever is going on with him, there seems to be a solid reason why he's behind an average Championship RB in the queue to play CB. Wood has had a couple of reasonable enough games but he's still nowhere near being a PL standard defender.

[Fabrice29]

17 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

Exactly. I can't remember seeing a referee being told to go to the screen and NOT changing his original decision. It's a farce. 

Will people stop saying this, it happened just 12 days ago 😂

 

[hypochondriac]

I went out for a walk in the forest with my family yesterday and missed the game entirely despite being offered a ticket. Best decision I made this week. 

[bugenhagen]

10 hours ago, Football Special said:

They all looked scared, understandable the way the season has panned out but I don't believe any of those players truly believes we'll get another point , huge psychological barrier 

This is what I see as well…

I don’t think many (any?) of our players believe we can win when stepping out on the field. 

If that doesn’t change, then we are going down with one digit in our points tally.

[badgerx16]

12 hours ago, Badger said:

During a rugby match the other week the ref was wired up and his conversations with those monitoring the match was relayed to the crowd. 
Might be interesting to eaves drop, but we all know the crowd reaction

The League 1 Minus 10 match reports often have the discussions quoted verbatim.

[Wsaint]

15 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

This season alone so far has paid for my holiday next month. 😂

Let's see the bet slips, the odds on anyone beating us will be absolute dog shit 😂 unless you're holidaying at the local shopping centre.