How much more humilation is enough?

[SaintsBarry74]

We've become the black sheep of the Premier League, breaking all sorts of unwanted records - the two 9-0s, and we're also the Prem side with the most frequent heavy defeats (frequency of 4+ goals shipped). 

Just when we thought the stench of those thrashings had finally worn off, Russell Martin rocks up with his one-dimensional, delusional tactics, turning us into a proper meme. Chatting with my mates who support other clubs, it's gotten even worse - we've gone from being the league's laughing stock to them actually pitying us.

Suppose in the midst of all this apathy towards the club, I've come to the grim realisation that there's a genuine chance we'll break Derby's record.

Question is, am I the only one feeling this way? How much more humiliation can you possibly stomach?

Edited Monday at 19:00 by SaintsBarry74

[Weston Super Saint]

Up until about May I reckon.

[Turkish]

Humiliation?! This is the greatest era in our history!!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

It will all be worth it at the end of the 10 year plan.

#trusttheprocess #nohumiliationnogain

[Disco Stu]

Sport Republic out.

[adrian lord]

Masochism has its adherents...

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

If records aren't broken... consider breaking them.

UTS!

[stknowle]

20 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

We've become the black sheep of the Premier League, breaking all sorts of unwanted records - the two 9-0s, and we're also the Prem side with the most frequent heavy defeats (frequency of 4+ goals shipped). 

Just when we thought the stench of those thrashings had finally worn off, Russell Martin rocks up with his one-dimensional, delusional tactics, turning us into a proper meme. Chatting with my mates who support other clubs, it's gotten even worse - we've gone from being the league's laughing stock to them actually pitying us.

Suppose in the midst of all this apathy towards the club, I've come to the grim realisation that there's a genuine chance we'll break Derby's record.

Question is, am I the only one feeling this way? How much more humiliation can you possibly stomach?

Ha yeah I’ve noticed the usual piss taking has turned into genuine pity/sympathy. People genuinely feel sorry for me that I support Saints. 

[trousers]

Maybe I'm not a staunch enough fan (?), or simply just too long in the tooth to care (!), but I'm not one to feel humiliation or embarrassment about a football team I happen to support. I actually quite enjoy my friends' attempts to wind me up about it... Just seems like good old fashioned banter to me. Much more important things in life to worry about at the end of the day, Brian

Edited Monday at 22:19 by trousers

[sfc4prem]

I mean, I can't take much more, but I'll never stop supporting the Saints.

 

Hitting the 'final straw' could never happen in the sense of tendering my supporting resignation completely. However a month more might mean I switch off and attend no live games and stop watching streams, checking for the final score instead. Turning to a conscious apathy. That's for my own survival. 

[Whitey Grandad]

Be philosophical. Don’t think about it.

[Toussaint]

44 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

We've become the black sheep of the Premier League, breaking all sorts of unwanted records - the two 9-0s, and we're also the Prem side with the most frequent heavy defeats (frequency of 4+ goals shipped). 

Just when we thought the stench of those thrashings had finally worn off, Russell Martin rocks up with his one-dimensional, delusional tactics, turning us into a proper meme. Chatting with my mates who support other clubs, it's gotten even worse - we've gone from being the league's laughing stock to them actually pitying us.

Suppose in the midst of all this apathy towards the club, I've come to the grim realisation that there's a genuine chance we'll break Derby's record.

Question is, am I the only one feeling this way? How much more humiliation can you possibly stomach?

I’m quite positive about the future, I feel this needed to happen. When you look back we have been in decline for quite a few years. This is an opportunity for a big reset. I really like what I’ve seen of Ivan, a proper coach. Dragan has had enough of the twats that have been guiding him, we have a new DoF coming in. Yes we are going down, but if we keep the management structure in place we should be much stronger the long term. 

[iansums]

12 minutes ago, trousers said:

Maybe I'm not a staunch enough fan (?), or simply just too long on the tooth to care (!), but I'm not one to feel humiliation or embarrassment about a football team I happen to support. I actually quite enjoy my friends' attempts to wind me up about it... Just seems like good old fashioned banter to me. Much more important things in life to worry about at the end of the day, Brian

Strange, for me, the older I get, the more it means. I was dreading this season because I thought it would pan out exactly as it has.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Based on the entirely possible scenario that we continue to plummet into the depths of the Championship, I’m trying to be as sanguine as possible about our demise. In a strange kind of way I’m intrigued about the potential actions Juric and SR have got lined up to exorcise the shiteness demons that have pervaded the club for several seasons now. I hope that we see some radical changes to the squad in getting shot of the habitual losers like Stephens, Bednarek, Bree, Aribo, Armstrong, Downes, Manning, Smallbone, Fraser etc. The only current starting players I’d likely keep are Rambo, THB, Wood, KWP, Fernandes, Dibling, Archer, Suga and hopefully Charles and Big Les.

[SaintsBarry74]

14 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

I mean, I can't take much more, but I'll never stop supporting the Saints.

 

Hitting the 'final straw' could never happen in the sense of tendering my supporting resignation completely. However a month more might mean I switch off and attend no live games and stop watching streams, checking for the final score instead. Turning to a conscious apathy. That's for my own survival. 

Exactly how I feel.

Just like my old man passed this curse of supporting Saints onto me, I've gone and done the same to my two boys. My eldest though, won't wear his Bednarek shirt anymore - can't blame him really - and his interest isn't what it used to be.

My six-year-old is still fully into it, the other day he piped up: 'Dad we've got 6 points - if we double that we'll have 12. That should be easy, right?' Poor lad still has that innocence about him, he hasn't been properly Saints'd yet.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I actually feel a lot more positive about the club now that Martin has gone. I think that this season as been a real eye opener for SR, am confident if we came back up straight away, we wouldn't make the same mistakes again.

[Lighthouse]

I don’t want to finish below Derby’s record and have that hanging over us but as an alternative timeline, how about if we lose every game from now until the end of the season, apart from a 4-0 win away to Everton. Imagine the looks on their fan’s faces if we finished on 9 points but still did the double over them, won the last ever game at Goodison and sent them down. It’d be f**king hilarious.

[Oldandtired]

44 minutes ago, trousers said:

Maybe I'm not a staunch enough fan (?), or simply just too long on the tooth to care (!), but I'm not one to feel humiliation or embarrassment about a football team I happen to support. I actually quite enjoy my friends' attempts to wind me up about it... Just seems like good old fashioned banter to me. Much more important things in life to worry about at the end of the day, Brian

This.

[SotonianWill]

Kinky

[Colinjb]

I'm at the acceptance/apathy stage. I still watch games, but with zero expectations of anything good happening...... If it does, I know it won't actually mean anything. We will lose. See: Most games where we have led at half time for the last 5 years.

Edited Monday at 21:04 by Colinjb

[Suhari]

It's been one downhill journey since we lost the squirrel.

[Osvaldorama]

Yeah. It’s terrible. 
 

My only hope is that we give the championship a proper go next season. 
 

SR owe us a championship title next season. Dragon better splash the fucking cash in the summer. 

[LuckyNumber7]

1 win in our last 35 PL games. And that doesn't even include any 9-0's. 

Last few years just feels like misery piled upon misery.

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

1 win in our last 35 PL games. And that doesn't even include any 9-0's. 

Last few years just feels like misery piled upon misery.

Since we sacked Ralph - P46 W4 D7 L35 The last time we won a PL game by more than one goal was against Norwich in February 2022.

[Badger]

28 minutes ago, Suhari said:

It's been one downhill journey since we lost the squirrel.

Perhaps we need to call back the white witch (or whoever has taken over her role). 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

Exactly how I feel.

Just like my old man passed this curse of supporting Saints onto me, I've gone and done the same to my two boys. My eldest though, won't wear his Bednarek shirt anymore - can't blame him really - and his interest isn't what it used to be.

My six-year-old is still fully into it, the other day he piped up: 'Dad we've got 6 points - if we double that we'll have 12. That should be easy, right?' Poor lad still has that innocence about him, he hasn't been properly Saints'd yet.

It's not great when the most worrying curse in the family isn't the djinn from the artefact stolen in colonial days, building our estate over an ancient burial ground or that there's a 50% chance of spontaneously combusting on our 60th birthday. It's the dread of passing along the curse of supporting Saints to the next generation. 🙂

26 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Kinky

I do find I can put up with a lot more since SaintsWeb opened the S&M subforum. Basically watching this season's highlights while wearing leather replica kits.

2 hours ago, stknowle said:

Ha yeah I’ve noticed the usual piss taking has turned into genuine pity/sympathy. People genuinely feel sorry for me that I support Saints. 

I met a Leicester fan today. I mentioned it wasn't going well for their new manager. They were half way starting to complain, when I said I supported us. Just silence, then a "oh". No mockery, no sympathy. Just a mental shuffling away from our car crash of a season. Work comments have generally vanished. No one's quite that heartless 🙂

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I don’t want to finish below Derby’s record and have that hanging over us but as an alternative timeline, how about if we lose every game from now until the end of the season, apart from a 4-0 win away to Everton. Imagine the looks on their fan’s faces if we finished on 9 points but still did the double over them, won the last ever game at Goodison and sent them down. It’d be f**king hilarious.

I'd really like to get past Derby's record. They were abject. I'm reminded of them every time I'm turning over from the start of Robbie Savage on 606. I don't want that thought to become "and their team did better than ours" every week.

[Badger]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Since we sacked Ralph - P46 W4 D7 L35 The last time we won a PL game by more than one goal was against Norwich in February 2022.

Christ !!!

Selles - two wins

NJ - one win

Lego - one win.

Rasmus, Semmens deserve to be pitchside explaining this clusterfuck 

[sfc4prem]

Just now, Badger said:

Christ !!!

Selles - two wins

NJ - one win

Lego - one win.

Rasmus, Semmens deserve to be pitchside explaining this clusterfuck 

Just needs a fuck-off large flag with those statistics printed.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

We've become the black sheep of the Premier League, breaking all sorts of unwanted records - the two 9-0s, and we're also the Prem side with the most frequent heavy defeats (frequency of 4+ goals shipped). 

Just when we thought the stench of those thrashings had finally worn off, Russell Martin rocks up with his one-dimensional, delusional tactics, turning us into a proper meme. Chatting with my mates who support other clubs, it's gotten even worse - we've gone from being the league's laughing stock to them actually pitying us.

Suppose in the midst of all this apathy towards the club, I've come to the grim realisation that there's a genuine chance we'll break Derby's record.

Question is, am I the only one feeling this way? How much more humiliation can you possibly stomach?

I think we have more humiliation in us , but like you say it's nothing new to us and our fans take it fairly well. The 0-9s , the Grimsby home cup defeat, the Nathan Jones interviews , it's a Carry On Football all in recent history. 

[Badger]

Still got Man City at home and Liverpool away to come yet. 

just have to hope they’re before or after a European night,  might be a better time to play them. 

Edited Monday at 21:45 by Badger

[LuckyNumber7]

13 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Since we sacked Ralph - P46 W4 D7 L35 The last time we won a PL game by more than one goal was against Norwich in February 2022.

Absolutely shocking that, and no end in sight.

That Norwich game, think Romeu scored a cracker. I remember coming away from that game feeling really positive about the team. Jeez.

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

I’m quite positive about the future, I feel this needed to happen. When you look back we have been in decline for quite a few years. This is an opportunity for a big reset. I really like what I’ve seen of Ivan, a proper coach. Dragan has had enough of the twats that have been guiding him, we have a new DoF coming in. Yes we are going down, but if we keep the management structure in place we should be much stronger the long term. 

Build Back Better 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Build Back Better 

SRexit means SRexit 🙂

[Toussaint]

17 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Build Back Better 

Hopefully 

[die Mannyschaft]

Well, robotic football where players assist 17 goals in our own net rather than basic defending or thinking for themselves hasn't helped. Cost of players is out of our range, gambled too much. The tactic to not shoot on edge of box has cost us or not to get ball jn box first time. It's basic football which is now lost in modern tactics and constant subs. I'd rather be in championship to watch football not a tactics open session. If you play negative football you get negative results, only getting 10 points will be one of them 16 games tolerance that lesson.

[SaintNewForest]

30 minutes ago, Badger said:

Still got Man City at home and Liverpool away to come yet. 

just have to hope they’re before or after a European night,  might be a better time to play them. 

Like choosing whether you want a cactus or a log shoved up your backside, to be honest.

[Hawkswood]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Maybe I'm not a staunch enough fan (?), or simply just too long on the tooth to care (!), but I'm not one to feel humiliation or embarrassment about a football team I happen to support. I actually quite enjoy my friends' attempts to wind me up about it... Just seems like good old fashioned banter to me. Much more important things in life to worry about at the end of the day, Brian

I totally agree. I'm nearly 50 and for me there are much more important things in life. I've lost people close to me and that always puts things into perspective but for those of you who are feeling embarrassed maybe this will help. For me, I look at our results or how shite we've been for such a long time and I'm able to remove the emotion of it from my life by telling myself that's it's not me. It's not me going onto the pitch. It's not me hiring Nathan jones or pelegrino or buying Delgado or any other useless idiot. It's not my mistakes that make this club look stupid so therefore I feel no embarrassment for someone else's decisions. I'm actually relieved I get to blame someone else. It's not me making an idiot of myself. If it were down to me then I'd have anger or embarrassment or whatever you want to call it. For me now its just a shrug of the shoulders  and sometimes a chuckle but I know it's not the same for everyone. I think my age helps a lot with that.

[SouSaint]

34 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Absolutely shocking that, and no end in sight.

That Norwich game, think Romeu scored a cracker. I remember coming away from that game feeling really positive about the team. Jeez.

Our form took a proper nose dive after that game with the 4-0 thrashing at Villa following. 

[woodsaint1]

Have never cared what fans of other clubs think of us, we've set enough dismal records as it is. But to not amount at least 12 points out of a possible 114 points would be an utterly shameful record to possess.

Never thought we'd see that Derby record under threat, but here we are.

[jamesfp1]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I don’t want to finish below Derby’s record and have that hanging over us but as an alternative timeline, how about if we lose every game from now until the end of the season, apart from a 4-0 win away to Everton. Imagine the looks on their fan’s faces if we finished on 9 points but still did the double over them, won the last ever game at Goodison and sent them down. It’d be f**king hilarious.

That's been my only wish since the start of the season.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

57 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Build Back Better

 

56 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

SRexit means SRexit

MUSGA

Make us Saints great again

😡🤬😇👍

[Hawkswood]

10 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

 

MUSGA

Make us Saints great again

😡🤬😇👍

I can see the red and white caps now

[SaintsBarry74]

1 hour ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

1 win in our last 35 PL games. And that doesn't even include any 9-0's. 

Last few years just feels like misery piled upon misery.

 

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Since we sacked Ralph - P46 W4 D7 L35 The last time we won a PL game by more than one goal was against Norwich in February 2022.

Those stats are utterly dreadful. At this rate, we’re heading for a pitiful 10-12 points this season. Surely, 6 more points isn’t too much to ask?

On the bright side, we don’t claim the "honour" of the highest goals-conceded average in the Premier League since our previous promotion - Norwich take that crown. However, we do excel in one area: complete capitulation. We’ve managed the highest frequency of games conceding 4 or more goals, and no, it’s not just because of the 9-0 thrashings.

[Bushey Saint]

4 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

I mean, I can't take much more, but I'll never stop supporting the Saints.

 

Hitting the 'final straw' could never happen in the sense of tendering my supporting resignation completely. However a month more might mean I switch off and attend no live games and stop watching streams, checking for the final score instead. Turning to a conscious apathy. That's for my own survival. 

That's about where I've been since the lead up to Christmas. So pleased to be rid of Martin, but conscious that Rome wasn't built in a day and the players probably didn't/don't have the fitness levels necessary to perform the higher tempo, high pressing game necessary. That much was obvious as we have faded badly towards the end of games, especially during what is a physically demanding period over Christmas and the New Year. To see energy levels still relatively high against Forest was therefore encouraging.  

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Hawkswood said:

I can see the red and white caps now

Me too - big white capitals on red caps - Make Us Great Saints Again…MUGS. Would look awesome all around the ground.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

23 minutes ago, Bushey Saint said:

That's about where I've been since the lead up to Christmas. So pleased to be rid of Martin, but conscious that Rome wasn't built in a day and the players probably didn't/don't have the fitness levels necessary to perform the higher tempo, high pressing game necessary. That much was obvious as we have faded badly towards the end of games, especially during what is a physically demanding period over Christmas and the New Year. To see energy levels still relatively high against Forest was therefore encouraging.  

Possibly not the best phrase to use around our new manager. And "Roma wasn't built in 12 games," is right out. 🙂

[Tamesaint]

5 hours ago, Badger said:

Still got Man City at home and Liverpool away to come yet. 

just have to hope they’re before or after a European night,  might be a better time to play them. 

Don't forget the FA Cup. Imagine if we continue to get some lower league teams and end up in a high profile quarter (Burnley plus 1 other) or semi (just Burnley and 2 other victories) final. A 7 nil dicking from the likes of Man C or Liverpool on free to air TV at Wembley will not be much fun. 

[Weston Super Saint]

4 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Don't forget the FA Cup. Imagine if we continue to get some lower league teams and end up in a high profile quarter (Burnley plus 1 other) or semi (just Burnley and 2 other victories) final. A 7 nil dicking from the likes of Man C or Liverpool on free to air TV at Wembley will not be much fun. 

That's unfair.  Imagine the 'day out' at our second home in Wemberley. The half and half scarves, the pie and a pint.  Those are the memories that last a lifetime.

[Sarnia Cherie]

12 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Up until about May I reckon.

Oh it won't take as long as that. If we don't get a result against Ipswich on 1st Feb then we will be facing the inevitable. After that match we will have 5 games before 29th March, the date Derby County were relegated with 11 points, to try to salvage some shreds of self-esteem. The problem is those teams are Bournemouth, Brighton, Chelsea, Liverpool and Wolves. With the exception of Wolves, all the others have their sights set on the Premier League title, Champions League places and European football. I can't think Southampton will stop them in their tracks. 

[Charlie Wayman]

Plenty of wins next season will soon erode all those bad memories. Best to keep lookng up not down. Cheer up for goodness sake OP !