Chez Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Football Special said: At non-league level a significant cup run and paying customers can make a real difference to the survival of a club and I completely understand that, however with Saints we're guaranteed £100M+ from tv alone and have an opportunity to use this game to give something back to a fan base sitting through the worst season in our history (points wise) just take a leaf out of Prestons book and fill the ground as much as possible with the next generation , nice touch charging the Grandads and Grandma's a fiver as well I've been saying it on here for many many years that it's a sham to call it a "club". Southampton Football Business is a much better fit. You are their customers, and they know the exact price point that gets the best return for a game like this. They also know there is no need to `give something back to fans' as fans will all be back next year in the championship whether they got a £10 ticket in the cup or not. All I can suggest is if you don't like the price and don't like your stand being closed, then vote with your feet. The only time a change is ever made is if the company has been hit in the pocket. 6
Football Special Posted February 4 Posted February 4 7 minutes ago, Chez said: I've been saying it on here for many many years that it's a sham to call it a "club". Southampton Football Business is a much better fit. You are their customers, and they know the exact price point that gets the best return for a game like this. They also know there is no need to `give something back to fans' as fans will all be back next year in the championship whether they got a £10 ticket in the cup or not. All I can suggest is if you don't like the price and don't like your stand being closed, then vote with your feet. The only time a change is ever made is if the company has been hit in the pocket. I agree but you know how this corporate bollocks works, they'll use the low attendance to justify closing the Kingsland again next time as smaller crowd showed there wasn't demand for it
St. Ciervo Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) 2-1 again. We are guaranteed a disaster class at the back for one goal against. If we start a keeper other than Ramsdale, I change my mind to 1-2. Edited February 5 by St. Ciervo
suewhistle Posted February 5 Posted February 5 9 hours ago, Chez said: All I can suggest is if you don't like the price... And that's indeed what I have done, see my comment above. But as the examples above show, it's not just about rewarding granny or yield, it's about recruiting new fans in a world where there's lots of competition for discretionary spending. You only have to look at the fans around you to realise how old the age profile is, myself included. Far better to have some of the younger fans saying to their friends, "fancy coming along tonight, it's only £n".. 7
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 5 Posted February 5 10 hours ago, saintant said: They'll probably play a very weakened side whereas, having nothing to play for, we can put out a strong side so I'm expecting us to win this one. I doubt they’ll play a weakened defence - that doesn’t happen too often at this level and they’ll see us as an easier top tier scalp to claim. They’ve got a good defensive record so far this season. As I say, a definite banana skin fixture.
saintant Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: I doubt they’ll play a weakened defence - that doesn’t happen too often at this level and they’ll see us as an easier top tier scalp to claim. They’ve got a good defensive record so far this season. As I say, a definite banana skin fixture. Not sure why they would risk injury to their best defenders in a nothing game in a competition they can't win. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Just now, saintant said: Not sure why they would risk injury to their best defenders in a nothing game in a competition they can't win. Why do you think they can’t win it? Or why do you think they think they can’t win it? Do you really think Saints can win it?
saintant Posted February 5 Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Why do you think they can’t win it? Or why do you think they think they can’t win it? Do you really think Saints can win it? Neither Burnley nor Saints have a hope in hell of winning the FA Cup. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 5 Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, saintant said: Neither Burnley nor Saints have a hope in hell of winning the FA Cup. What’s the point in entering into the competition in the first pace then? 2
Whitey Grandad Posted February 5 Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, saintant said: Neither Burnley nor Saints have a hope in hell of winning the FA Cup. They said that in 1976. 10
spyinthesky Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: They said that in 1976. I wonder what odds the Bookies would have been offering in the 89th minute of the FA Cup 3rd round that year when little old 2nd Division Saints were losing 1-0 at home to 1st Division Aston Villa for Saints to go on beat 'mighty' Man Utd in the Cup Final, four months later? 6
Chez Posted February 5 Posted February 5 49 minutes ago, saintant said: Neither Burnley nor Saints have a hope in hell of winning the FA Cup. Championship Cardiff got pretty close in in 2008. We wont mention the victors. Some pretty poor PL teams have made the final since then...Watford, Hull City, Wigan and the Skates (both of whome were relegated that same season). We are shite, but it's football, so you can dream. What's the worst that can happen? Don't answer that. 1
suewhistle Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 hours ago, spyinthesky said: I wonder what odds the Bookies would have been offering in the 89th minute of the FA Cup 3rd round that year when little old 2nd Division Saints were losing 1-0 at home to 1st Division Aston Villa for Saints to go on beat 'mighty' Man Utd in the Cup Final, four months later? I was under the East stand near to where Hughie Fisher shot from in that game. I'm not a betting person and was an impoverished student at Southampton at the time but even I was aware that the odds the bookies were offering on Saints were remarkably good for a two horse race. Didn't have enough spare to put anything on at 4 or 5 to 1 (as I recall).. This year we'd need remarkably more luck than we've been getting in the league.. 1
gio1saints Posted February 5 Posted February 5 16 hours ago, Chez said: I've been saying it on here for many many years that it's a sham to call it a "club". Southampton Football Business is a much better fit. You are their customers, and they know the exact price point that gets the best return for a game like this. They also know there is no need to `give something back to fans' as fans will all be back next year in the championship whether they got a £10 ticket in the cup or not. All I can suggest is if you don't like the price and don't like your stand being closed, then vote with your feet. The only time a change is ever made is if the company has been hit in the pocket. You can buy a four course meal ( chips, a sausage, more chips, nice snickers bar) with an alcopop from Poundland get a bus there and back and still get enough change out of that £5 in Preston to pay the leccie meter. It’s £10 to park your car within a mile of SMS…Cannot charge less than the St Mary’s freelance car parking entrepreneurs / dodgy peeps I reckon.
Whitey Grandad Posted February 5 Posted February 5 6 hours ago, suewhistle said: I was under the East stand near to where Hughie Fisher shot from in that game. I'm not a betting person and was an impoverished student at Southampton at the time but even I was aware that the odds the bookies were offering on Saints were remarkably good for a two horse race. Didn't have enough spare to put anything on at 4 or 5 to 1 (as I recall).. This year we'd need remarkably more luck than we've been getting in the league.. You must have been standing next to me. Of course I had dark hair then so you wouldn’t recognise me now ☹️ 2 2
OneMrsWallace Posted February 5 Posted February 5 6 hours ago, suewhistle said: I was under the East stand near to where Hughie Fisher shot from in that game. I'm not a betting person and was an impoverished student at Southampton at the time but even I was aware that the odds the bookies were offering on Saints were remarkably good for a two horse race. Didn't have enough spare to put anything on at 4 or 5 to 1 (as I recall).. This year we'd need remarkably more luck than we've been getting in the league.. I was in the Milton End, my first Saints game. I reckon we'll beat Burnley.
Lymington Saint Posted February 5 Posted February 5 I was also under the East Stand for the Villa game but towards the Milton End. Remember passing some very disgruntled Villa supporters on the way back to the car. Probably a sign of age but the cup is not what it was despite the BBC hype. Going to be one of the big teams that wins it again this year.
Nordic Saint Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Lymington Saint said: I was also under the East Stand for the Villa game but towards the Milton End. Remember passing some very disgruntled Villa supporters on the way back to the car. Probably a sign of age but the cup is not what it was despite the BBC hype. Going to be one of the big teams that wins it again this year. Newcastle, Spurs or Aston Villa? It wouldn't be a great surprise to see a smaller club, like Fulham or Forest, in the final though. It's as wide open as it's ever been. If you have any idea who's going to win, you can get good odds on any team.
Nordic Saint Posted February 6 Posted February 6 On 04/02/2025 at 23:08, Chez said: I've been saying it on here for many many years that it's a sham to call it a "club". Southampton Football Business is a much better fit. You are their customers, and they know the exact price point that gets the best return for a game like this. They also know there is no need to `give something back to fans' as fans will all be back next year in the championship whether they got a £10 ticket in the cup or not. All I can suggest is if you don't like the price and don't like your stand being closed, then vote with your feet. The only time a change is ever made is if the company has been hit in the pocket. Most Kingsland regulars are voting with their feet. The Itchen is sold out and fans who are used to sitting at the side are not going behind the goal for this one. Most Chapel regulars would happily move into what are usually the more expensive seats in the Kingsland, but not the other way around. The closure of the Kingsland has knocked a few thousand off the attendance. 6
skintsaint Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 hours ago, Football Special said: Impressive, but they don't score many either.
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted February 6 Posted February 6 9 hours ago, Nordic Saint said: Most Kingsland regulars are voting with their feet. The Itchen is sold out and fans who are used to sitting at the side are not going behind the goal for this one. Most Chapel regulars would happily move into what are usually the more expensive seats in the Kingsland, but not the other way around. The closure of the Kingsland has knocked a few thousand off the attendance. For cup games like this where they expect a low crowd they’d be better off closing down half the Chapel, the seats next to the aways, but opening the middle blocks of the Kingsland. That way you keep some of the best seats available and keep your regular Kingslanders happy - also better for the team not playing in front of an empty stand. Let a few hundred away fans rattle away in the corner with loads of empty seats around them. 5
Saint86 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 14 hours ago, Football Special said: So... are you saying this is a bad game to take my 6 year old to? ^_^ I reckon Burnley will rotate because for them its all about finishing top 2. We won't rotate much because we need to actually get some confidence in the side, and we'll score 2 or 3 against them. Probably the most nailed on saints win for the rest of the season. Have i jinxed it enough? Ideal world, i look forward to an updated graphic that shows Games 32 | GA 13 on sunday morning 😆 Edited February 6 by Saint86 2
Tamesaint Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 hours ago, OneMrsWallace said: I was in the Milton End, my first Saints game. I reckon we'll beat Burnley. I was at school in Birmingham then. I supported Saints, my best mate supported Villa. We went to that match on the Villa supporters coach. Most of the Villa fans seemed fairly confident that they would win the replay. 1
Nordic Saint Posted February 6 Posted February 6 On 05/02/2025 at 03:31, St. Ciervo said: 2-1 again. We are guaranteed a disaster class at the back for one goal against. If we start a keeper other than Ramsdale, I change my mind to 1-2. Most of us had forgotten about that. The awful spectre of McCarthy rears its ugly head again.
Football Special Posted February 6 Posted February 6 7 hours ago, skintsaint said: Impressive, but they don't score many either. They don't but there's a few players that always score against us, Ashley Barnes, Jonjo Shelvey and I'm really hoping this lad will be fit for them 1
Eric The Red Posted February 6 Posted February 6 7 hours ago, Tamesaint said: I was at school in Birmingham then. I supported Saints, my best mate supported Villa. We went to that match on the Villa supporters coach. Most of the Villa fans seemed fairly confident that they would win the replay. I wasn't at the Dell but as we were at the University in Nottingham I and a few mates went to the replay and were surprised and delighted when we won, in extra time(iirc). Still wouldn't have dreamt that we were going to end up winning at Wembley. 1
captainchris Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) On 04/02/2025 at 23:08, Chez said: I've been saying it on here for many many years that it's a sham to call it a "club". Southampton Football Business is a much better fit. You are their customers, and they know the exact price point that gets the best return for a game like this. They also know there is no need to `give something back to fans' as fans will all be back next year in the championship whether they got a £10 ticket in the cup or not. All I can suggest is if you don't like the price and don't like your stand being closed, then vote with your feet. The only time a change is ever made is if the company has been hit in the pocket. It’s like this…. I once asked a business why they don’t have xyz in stock, they said because we don’t sell any xyz but if you don’t stock xyz you won’t of course sell any !!!! The same applies to shutting half the ground. If you can’t get seats together or in the place you want them you think twice about going or don’t go. Not enough demand means you don’t open the ground up. That is marketing madness…. This happened against Swansea and you could see it plain as day, one side full and the other side shut! wtaf!!!! The company are dictating to the customer and not hearing the room… ‘Marketing’ at the ‘company’ is a bloody joke anyway. They should be renamed the obstacles to business department…. Edited Thursday at 23:30 by captainchris 5
suewhistle Posted Thursday at 22:50 Posted Thursday at 22:50 1 hour ago, captainchris said: I once asked a business why they don’t have xyz in stock, they said because we don’t sell any xyz but if you stock xyz you won’t of course sell any !!!! "..and I keep on having to tell people the same thing, it's very frustrating." 2
Whitey Grandad Posted Thursday at 23:48 Posted Thursday at 23:48 2 hours ago, captainchris said: It’s like this…. I once asked a business why they don’t have xyz in stock, they said because we don’t sell any xyz but if you don’t stock xyz you won’t of course sell any !!!! The same applies to shutting half the ground. If you can’t get seats together or in the place you want them you think twice about going or don’t go. Not enough demand means you don’t open the ground up. That is marketing madness…. This happened against Swansea and you could see it plain as day, one side full and the other side shut! wtaf!!!! The company are dictating to the customer and not hearing the room… ‘Marketing’ at the ‘company’ is a bloody joke anyway. They should be renamed the obstacles to business department…. Yep. It’s madness. I went to the Stoke game and sat in the Chapel staring at an empty Kingsland where I could see my empty seat. It wasn’t my usual match experience. Apart from the fact that we won. Even then I couldn’t see the goals at the other end of the ground clearly. They were almost twice as far away as my normal view. Clueless eejits.
Convict Colony Posted Friday at 08:00 Posted Friday at 08:00 On 05/02/2025 at 8:22 PM, Football Special said: 9-0 to us 1
gio1saints Posted Friday at 08:33 Posted Friday at 08:33 (edited) On 04/02/2025 at 23:08, Chez said: I've been saying it on here for many many years that it's a sham to call it a "club". Southampton Football Business is a much better fit. You are their customers, and they know the exact price point that gets the best return for a game like this. They also know there is no need to `give something back to fans' as fans will all be back next year in the championship whether they got a £10 ticket in the cup or not. All I can suggest is if you don't like the price and don't like your stand being closed, then vote with your feet. The only time a change is ever made is if the company has been hit in the pocket. Football has had its heart and soul eviscerated over the last three decades. Only the older supporters know what it was really like back in the day to go to watch your team play, home and away. Compared to the supporter experience today it’s chalk and cheese. Is it worse? Is it better? Some of it is certainly better - I don’t miss the violence, though it’s still there, I don’t miss being near crushed to death on open terraces either. But what I do miss is the hope that the matches Saints play actually mean something - not just more £££ to the latest round of club owners and media oligarchs milking the game dry of everything that was beautiful about it. Not having to pay £60 for a crappy nylon shirt when before anything in red & white & black stripes would do. You support a football team today you are basically a tool. Being used. And yet some of us cling onto the memories of what it was before. God knows what younger generations (under 30/40’s) see in this spectacle nowadays. Multi Millionaires chasing a ball in a ground owned by multi millionaires filmed by multi millionaires wearing shirts and equipment owned by multi millionaires. The only poor saps are those actually watching the damn @ game@. I’ve got my excuse cos I know what it used to be like but relatively new “Saints fans” Have you asked yourself what is it that you are actually supporting? Edited Friday at 08:37 by gio1saints 2 1 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted Friday at 11:24 Posted Friday at 11:24 2 hours ago, gio1saints said: Football has had its heart and soul eviscerated over the last three decades. Only the older supporters know what it was really like back in the day to go to watch your team play, home and away. Compared to the supporter experience today it’s chalk and cheese. Is it worse? Is it better? Some of it is certainly better - I don’t miss the violence, though it’s still there, I don’t miss being near crushed to death on open terraces either. But what I do miss is the hope that the matches Saints play actually mean something - not just more £££ to the latest round of club owners and media oligarchs milking the game dry of everything that was beautiful about it. Not having to pay £60 for a crappy nylon shirt when before anything in red & white & black stripes would do. You support a football team today you are basically a tool. Being used. And yet some of us cling onto the memories of what it was before. God knows what younger generations (under 30/40’s) see in this spectacle nowadays. Multi Millionaires chasing a ball in a ground owned by multi millionaires filmed by multi millionaires wearing shirts and equipment owned by multi millionaires. The only poor saps are those actually watching the damn @ game@. I’ve got my excuse cos I know what it used to be like but relatively new “Saints fans” Have you asked yourself what is it that you are actually supporting? While I understand your point, I don’t think that’s football in general…it’s just what the EPL has morphed into because nowadays business = money = business whatever the marketplace. Try attending a smaller club like Sholing, Totton or Eastleigh for example…attending those games is more like it was in our youth. The dichotomy is that all supporters want their team to do well and climb the leagues, then when they reach the pinnacle and it starts getting expensive they moan but one leads to the other! Essentially what I’m saying is, you pay your money, you take your choice. 4
gio1saints Posted Friday at 11:52 Posted Friday at 11:52 21 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: While I understand your point, I don’t think that’s football in general…it’s just what the EPL has morphed into because nowadays business = money = business whatever the marketplace. Try attending a smaller club like Sholing, Totton or Eastleigh for example…attending those games is more like it was in our youth. The dichotomy is that all supporters want their team to do well and climb the leagues, then when they reach the pinnacle and it starts getting expensive they moan but one leads to the other! Essentially what I’m saying is, you pay your money, you take your choice. Yup true. I went to Eastleigh for the preseason ( infamously Adam Lallana injured himself in the warm up…a portent of his future availability..) and was reminded of that different vibe you mention. Even so, the Eastleigh want to be the next team to “ make it” into the big time. I will still pay to watch and retain my ST but I see little point for many today to bother with SFC. It’s become just a generic EPL/Championship football club on a Sisyphean mission ultimately ending in failure. What are the redeeming features? Are there any outstanding principles associated ( and valid) with Southampton FC anymore? I just completed one of the SFC questionnaires and I swear you could cut and paste any football team into the questions they are all so meaningless. It’s like let’s pretend we have a unique identity when in fact it’s obvious we do not. It’s all the same just different shirt colours. 1
imadirtyurchin Posted Friday at 12:29 Posted Friday at 12:29 37 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Yup true. I went to Eastleigh for the preseason ( infamously Adam Lallana injured himself in the warm up…a portent of his future availability..) and was reminded of that different vibe you mention. Even so, the Eastleigh want to be the next team to “ make it” into the big time. I will still pay to watch and retain my ST but I see little point for many today to bother with SFC. It’s become just a generic EPL/Championship football club on a Sisyphean mission ultimately ending in failure. What are the redeeming features? Are there any outstanding principles associated ( and valid) with Southampton FC anymore? I just completed one of the SFC questionnaires and I swear you could cut and paste any football team into the questions they are all so meaningless. It’s like let’s pretend we have a unique identity when in fact it’s obvious we do not. It’s all the same just different shirt colours. I agree, especially now Martin isn’t here to ‘revolutionise the face of premier league football’ and ‘usher in a new footballing super dynasty’…. 1
goodymatt Posted Friday at 14:12 Posted Friday at 14:12 I didn’t see Ramsdale on the training video so don’t think we will see him tomorrow. Makes sense to give him some extra time to recover, I suppose. THB injury will hopefully be ok for Bournemouth. Otherwise we should be at full strength. I think Burnley will ring the changes but maintain the hard to score against style. 1-0 Saints.
Doctoroncall Posted Friday at 14:39 Posted Friday at 14:39 22 hours ago, Football Special said: They don't but there's a few players that always score against us, Ashley Barnes, Jonjo Shelvey and I'm really hoping this lad will be fit for them He’s out. Calf injury. From Burnley Express: Parker likely to rotate heavily, just as he did in the third round when he made all 11 changes for their 3-1 after-extra-time win against Reading. The likes of Jonjo Shelvey and Marcus Edwards could be handed their first starts since signing, while players returning from injury, like Manuel Benson, could also potentially feature. It will also be interesting to see if academy products Joe Bauress and Tommy McDermott feature against after impressing in the last round of the competition.
spyinthesky Posted Friday at 16:59 Author Posted Friday at 16:59 Looks like 5.736 seats not sold and with Burnley probably bringing around 1,200 and the Kingsland closed, probably a crowd of around 15,000. so expect a crap atmosphere and after giving Burnley their 50% net share after Vat, just enough to cover most of the pitch invasion fine after the West Brom game. Our friends from Burnley will also be bringing down a blast of cold air from Oop North, to make the experience even chillier🥶 1
OneMrsWallace Posted Friday at 17:09 Posted Friday at 17:09 8 hours ago, gio1saints said: Football has had its heart and soul eviscerated over the last three decades. Only the older supporters know what it was really like back in the day to go to watch your team play, home and away. Compared to the supporter experience today it’s chalk and cheese. Is it worse? Is it better? Some of it is certainly better - I don’t miss the violence, though it’s still there, I don’t miss being near crushed to death on open terraces either. But what I do miss is the hope that the matches Saints play actually mean something - not just more £££ to the latest round of club owners and media oligarchs milking the game dry of everything that was beautiful about it. Not having to pay £60 for a crappy nylon shirt when before anything in red & white & black stripes would do. You support a football team today you are basically a tool. Being used. And yet some of us cling onto the memories of what it was before. God knows what younger generations (under 30/40’s) see in this spectacle nowadays. Multi Millionaires chasing a ball in a ground owned by multi millionaires filmed by multi millionaires wearing shirts and equipment owned by multi millionaires. The only poor saps are those actually watching the damn @ game@. I’ve got my excuse cos I know what it used to be like but relatively new “Saints fans” Have you asked yourself what is it that you are actually supporting? I'm not sure it works that way. My son is 22 and he's been going to Saints games since he was 5. This is what he knows, he has his own lived experience. My Dad was the same, my football world was very different to his. What we experienced has historical interest but how can they imagine what is was like? They can't. As you say, for those of us that can compare we can decide what we think is better or worse. Their generation is different which is how it should be. 5
sotonjoe Posted Friday at 18:03 Posted Friday at 18:03 Can help anyone get TV broadcasts of the game if you need help 👍
sotonjoe Posted Friday at 19:07 Posted Friday at 19:07 (edited) I can help you get the game and all saints games on tv if you're interested Edited Friday at 19:08 by sotonjoe
Maggie May Posted Friday at 21:24 Posted Friday at 21:24 Ashley Barnes and Jonjo Shelvey will score like they always do.
Vancouver Saint Posted Friday at 21:52 Posted Friday at 21:52 I'm interested to see if there's a gap in quality between bottom of the Premier (by a mile) and top of the Championship...
sfc4prem Posted Friday at 22:09 Posted Friday at 22:09 16 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said: I'm interested to see if there's a gap in quality between bottom of the Premier (by a mile) and top of the Championship... But we're not Premier League quality, as evidence by our points total. We are clearly a championship side.
Tommy Mulgrew Posted Friday at 22:23 Posted Friday at 22:23 3 hours ago, sotonjoe said: I can help you get the game and all saints games on tv if you're interested I’m on the hook. 1
BARCELONASAINT Posted Friday at 22:42 Posted Friday at 22:42 A friend of mine was with his son autograph hunting and met the Burnley players this afternoon. He messaged me to tell me Burnley have left behind a lot of 1st teamers
Wsaint Posted Friday at 23:11 Posted Friday at 23:11 46 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said: I’m on the hook. I've got some magic beans for sale too whilst you're at it.
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