Saint Fan CaM Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Any news, speculation or hints as to when this happening?
goodymatt Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Reports suggest we are confident of resolving but no timeframe given. Speculation suggests that because he worked for 777 and not a club directly, that’s why he hasn’t met the criteria set post Brexit and we are the first to fall foul of the new rules set by the FA. Whether our appeal is successful isn’t certain but I hope it does work out as his CV is very well suited to both our needs and the wider club model needs.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) On 28/01/2025 at 11:13, goodymatt said: Reports suggest we are confident of resolving but no timeframe given. Speculation suggests that because he worked for 777 and not a club directly, that’s why he hasn’t met the criteria set post Brexit and we are the first to fall foul of the new rules set by the FA. Whether our appeal is successful isn’t certain but I hope it does work out as his CV is very well suited to both our needs and the wider club model needs. Expand Yet Gao was allowed to buy the club despite failing FFP and the rules were then changed afterwards. Yes, I know that was the PL and the FA are official sponsors for football-management related visas but the inconsistency of applying rules when they want and ignoring them when they don’t by governing bodies does my head in. Home Office panel will have made the decision but if the FA is sponsor they have a key role. Edited January 28 by Gloucester Saint 1
redandwhitey Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Can he not just be employed by the group and be based in France/Turkey with group responsibilities and work remotely for 50% of the time ?
Sir Ralph Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 12:22, Gloucester Saint said: Yet Gao was allowed to buy the club despite failing FFP and the rules were then changed afterwards. Yes, I know that was the PL and the FA are official sponsors for football-management related visas but the inconsistency of applying rules when they want and ignoring them when they don’t by governing bodies does my head in. Home Office panel will have made the decision but if the FA is sponsor they have a key role. Expand Just get him on a dinghy across the channel....no probs then 1 6
lambtiss Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 14:57, redandwhitey said: Can he not just be employed by the group and be based in France/Turkey with group responsibilities and work remotely for 50% of the time ? Expand I thought that also
Gloucester Saint Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) On 28/01/2025 at 18:47, lambtiss said: I thought that also Expand It is a faff from a payroll perspective, even with the 183 days pa or less rule on the double tax treaty (Germany and UK have a DTA) overseas nationals doing predominantly work for UK firms can still get stung for employee NI contributions https://germantaxes.de/tax-tips/double-tax-treaty/ Not impossible and gives the club leverage with the FA to lean on the Home Office for a fast-track appeal if the club pays for it. Edited January 28 by Gloucester Saint
Guest Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Surely a DoF is going to have their own ideas regarding style of football or manager that is suitable. Dragan has said in the media Juric is here for eighteen months. We’ve then gone after a DoF afterwards. Is this another example of SR going backwards around things?
Holmes_and_Watson Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 12:22, Gloucester Saint said: Yet Gao was allowed to buy the club despite failing FFP and the rules were then changed afterwards. Yes, I know that was the PL and the FA are official sponsors for football-management related visas but the inconsistency of applying rules when they want and ignoring them when they don’t by governing bodies does my head in. Home Office panel will have made the decision but if the FA is sponsor they have a key role. Expand Invade Greenland before Trump. Exploit mineral resources amassing vast wealth. Engage in dodgy arms deals to protect interests and shore up UK defence industry. Engage in dreadful human rights abused, handily (or not if cut off as punishment) including all those who disagree or report against any of the above. Use government leverage, defense contracts and Infrastructure projects to get pressure put on PL and FA behind the scenes. Find that the rules strangely shift to your whims. Once again, SR failing to take the simple route. 🙂 2
benjii Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 28/01/2025 at 23:09, FarehamSaintJames said: Surely a DoF is going to have their own ideas regarding style of football or manager that is suitable. Dragan has said in the media Juric is here for eighteen months. We’ve then gone after a DoF afterwards. Is this another example of SR going backwards around things? Expand I don't see the DoF job as interfering with the manager's tactics and strategy on the pitch. It's more about making sure the club is operating to get the best out of the first team and to put the best squad together that it can. 1
SaintsLoyal Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners. 2
Greenridge Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 07:55, SaintsLoyal said: Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners. Expand He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 09:50, Greenridge said: He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football. Expand At wonky Woking. Wonder if their American takeover has gone ahead? Needed to as their financial position was very serious.
Dman Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 07:55, SaintsLoyal said: Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners. Expand I can't work out if this is a dig at him or not... But I think hes in general done a pretty decent job. The fan zone and Dell bar are a great idea in terms of increasing revenue for the club and despite how shite are are, SMS is full every week. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 09:59, Dman said: I can't work out if this is a dig at him or not... But I think hes in general done a pretty decent job. The fan zone and Dell bar are a great idea in terms of increasing revenue for the club and despite how shite are are, SMS is full every week. Expand I’ll be interested to see how he works with Spores assuming the WP is sorted out - Spores may find another way to work for the club with a dual tax agreement but it would be better not to be limited to 182 days or less in the UK pa. Phil would benefit from having a senior UK-based football presence who has some credibility, sorely lacking in SR thus far.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) On 29/01/2025 at 07:55, SaintsLoyal said: Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners. Expand He's familiar with the club, so a suck it and see appointment might work to really get into the corners. 🙂 Edited January 29 by Holmes_and_Watson typo
Nolan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 28/01/2025 at 23:09, FarehamSaintJames said: Surely a DoF is going to have their own ideas regarding style of football or manager that is suitable. Dragan has said in the media Juric is here for eighteen months. We’ve then gone after a DoF afterwards. Is this another example of SR going backwards around things? Expand you dont know how long Solak has been talking to Spors, so its impossible to say.
Bakovnetski Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 28/01/2025 at 19:03, Gloucester Saint said: It is a faff from a payroll perspective, even with the 183 days pa or less rule on the double tax treaty (Germany and UK have a DTA) overseas nationals doing predominantly work for UK firms can still get stung for employee NI contributions https://germantaxes.de/tax-tips/double-tax-treaty/ Not impossible and gives the club leverage with the FA to lean on the Home Office for a fast-track appeal if the club pays for it. Expand If the club want him enough i'm sure they would "gross up" the NI to compensate. It's peanuts at the end of the day in the telephone numbers for salaries they are dealing with. 1
josebaiw Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 09:50, Greenridge said: He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football. Expand I looked this up and yeah, he played under GC in the famous 14-1 win. It was our Phil who's error led to the conceded goal. One of our own.
Long Shot Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 29/01/2025 at 09:50, Greenridge said: He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football. Expand Not quite true. Cockerill was manager of Woking and released PP as a youngster
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 07:33, goodymatt said: Expand “Appoint in some manner”….sounding like some half-baked shoe-in job. Not sure I’m getting good vibes about this, but time will tell I guess.
Badger Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 09:21, Saint Fan CaM said: “Appoint in some manner”….sounding like some half-baked shoe-in job. Not sure I’m getting good vibes about this, but time will tell I guess. Expand I wonder if that is working for the club (or Group), but based elsewhere to avoid the Work Permit problems as others have mentioned. At the moment I’d be optimistic about the appointment given his name has previously been linked with Newcastle etc. Having said that, Ankersen also came in with a ‘good reputation’.
Matthew Le God Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 07:33, goodymatt said: Expand On 02/02/2025 at 09:21, Saint Fan CaM said: “Appoint in some manner”….sounding like some half-baked shoe-in job. Not sure I’m getting good vibes about this, but time will tell I guess. Expand Perhaps Saints can't get a work permit sorted, so he is appointed by Sport Republic for the group and works for the group but based abroad. 1 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 10:38, Badger said: I wonder if that is working for the club (or Group), but based elsewhere to avoid the Work Permit problems as others have mentioned. At the moment I’d be optimistic about the appointment given his name has previously been linked with Newcastle etc. Having said that, Ankersen also came in with a ‘good reputation’. Expand On 02/02/2025 at 10:38, Matthew Le God said: Perhaps Saints can't get a work permit sorted, so he is appointed by Sport Republic for the group and works for the group but based abroad. Expand Maybe this guy is the perfect answer…maybe. Personally I think there’s such a huge re-build job required to re-set the footballing side of the club, it needs the full-time focus of a DoF, not some half-baked solution (unless of course this chap is an absolute genius rather than a chum of Ankerson’s or Solak’s). As I say, time will tell. The upside is that it seems Juric knows exactly what he needs and importantly who he doesn’t need in his team. It strikes me that players like Manning favoured by RM were chosen because they’re NOT brave or skilled enough to anything adventurous in terms of passing forwards, taking the easy option of a pass backwards to relieve pressure on themselves and placing it on the player they pass to. It would appear that Juric is not tolerating any of that bullshit thankfully, hence the appointment and immediate inclusion of Welington.
Matthew Le God Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 11:17, Saint Fan CaM said: it needs the full-time focus of a DoF, not some half-baked solution Expand Why couldn't it be done full time remotely and jetting in occasionally? He doesn't need to be at Staplewood every morning to hold meetings and restructure the football department. A lot of it could be done from anywhere in the world with a phone, laptop and internet connection. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 11:32, Matthew Le God said: Why couldn't it be done full time remotely and jetting in occasionally? He doesn't need to be at Staplewood every morning to hold meetings and restructure the football department. A lot of it could be done from anywhere in the world with a phone, laptop and internet connection. Expand As I said, maybe it could, but what does that say to staff about the investment in time and focus of what might be considered the most important person in the footballing side of the club at what is in my opinion a critical year ahead? 1
Matthew Le God Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 11:43, Saint Fan CaM said: As I said, maybe it could, but what does that say to staff about the investment in time and focus of what might be considered the most important person in the footballing side of the club at what is in my opinion a critical year ahead? Expand He could still put the same amount of hours and focus into the role as he would in England. A lot of the role is phone calls & meetings and you do not need to be on UK soil to do that. 3
Badger Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 02/02/2025 at 11:17, Saint Fan CaM said: Maybe this guy is the perfect answer…maybe. Personally I think there’s such a huge re-build job required to re-set the footballing side of the club, it needs the full-time focus of a DoF, not some half-baked solution (unless of course this chap is an absolute genius rather than a chum of Ankerson’s or Solak’s). As I say, time will tell. The upside is that it seems Juric knows exactly what he needs and importantly who he doesn’t need in his team. It strikes me that players like Manning favoured by RM were chosen because they’re NOT brave or skilled enough to anything adventurous in terms of passing forwards, taking the easy option of a pass backwards to relieve pressure on themselves and placing it on the player they pass to. It would appear that Juric is not tolerating any of that bullshit thankfully, hence the appointment and immediate inclusion of Welington. Expand Agree with you, but I also think we'd benefit from someone who is both competent for the role, and committed to it over a few seasons, not a stop-go-stop-go type of musical chairs we've had with Shields, then Willcox pissing off. But we've got to accept the club can't chain someone to the desk, and if remotely successful they'll be viewed as fair game by others higher up the food chain. Spors after a season with us is likely to be the same with both EPL and probably Bundesliga clubs watching his progress. 2
Badger Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Have just read that West Ham’s head of recruitment, Steidten,has been sacked after Potter brought his own man in. Not suggesting he should be considered for us, as it appears in his time with them he’s upset everyone in the managers post. But wonder how West Ham appointed him with ease and without the Work Permit saga we’ve now got.
goodymatt Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 04/02/2025 at 13:41, Badger said: Have just read that West Ham’s head of recruitment, Steidten,has been sacked after Potter brought his own man in. Not suggesting he should be considered for us, as it appears in his time with them he’s upset everyone in the managers post. But wonder how West Ham appointed him with ease and without the Work Permit saga we’ve now got. Expand Think Spors recent experience being for 777 and not directly at a club level for the period required is the sticking point. New issue since Brexit that we are one of the first to fall foul of. Seems the workaround will be to work directly for SR and not at a specific club, we will find out mid February according to Alfie House. 1
Disco Stu Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) On 04/02/2025 at 14:24, goodymatt said: Think Spors recent experience being for 777 and not directly at a club level for the period required is the sticking point. New issue since Brexit that we are one of the first to fall foul of. Seems the workaround will be to work directly for SR and not at a specific club, we will find out mid February according to Alfie House. Expand I don't know the ins and outs of work permit rules but it seems crazy to me that we can sign a 17 year old playing for his high school in Japan (joining when he's 18), but we can't sign a 42 year old sporting director who, even before his time with 777 group, has the likes of Hoffenheim, Hamburg, Leipzig and Vitesse on his CV. Edited February 5 by Disco Stu 2
Weston Super Saint Posted February 5 Posted February 5 On 04/02/2025 at 23:17, Disco Stu said: I don't know the ins and outs of work permit rules but it seems crazy to me that we can sign a 17 year old playing for his high school in Japan (joining when he's 18), but we can't sign a 42 year old sporting director who, even before his time with 777 group, has the likes of Hoffenheim, Hamburg, Leipzig and Vitesse on his CV. Expand I assume the difference is that a footballer from Japan can apply for an 'International sportsperson visa' which will give a three year stay, whereas an EU citizen has no right to live or work in the UK - unless they have family members and meet the criteria for the EUSS - except if their 'occupation' is on the 'in demand' list (which this one definitely won't be as there are plenty of UK citizens who could do the job) and their employer is registered for sponsorship.
Charlie Wayman Posted February 5 Posted February 5 On 02/02/2025 at 11:32, Matthew Le God said: Why couldn't it be done full time remotely and jetting in occasionally? He doesn't need to be at Staplewood every morning to hold meetings and restructure the football department. A lot of it could be done from anywhere in the world with a phone, laptop and internet connection. Expand Successful management is all about relationships not keyboards and mobile phone numbers. 1
goodymatt Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) On 04/02/2025 at 23:17, Disco Stu said: I don't know the ins and outs of work permit rules but it seems crazy to me that we can sign a 17 year old playing for his high school in Japan (joining when he's 18), but we can't sign a 42 year old sporting director who, even before his time with 777 group, has the likes of Hoffenheim, Hamburg, Leipzig and Vitesse on his CV. Expand https://andywatsongbe.substack.com/p/sporting-directors-and-the-gbe-rules?utm_campaign=post&showWelcomeOnShare=true Interesting article here, which has a section on what the current rules are and also details why Spors doesn’t meet them. Edited February 5 by goodymatt 2
AlexLaw76 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 I heard a snippet that he will start work in 2 weeks 3 4
Sheaf Saint Posted February 5 Posted February 5 On 05/02/2025 at 08:20, AlexLaw76 said: I heard a snippet that he will start work in 2 weeks Expand Just in time for Ross Stewart's return then. Perfect. 7
Dusic Posted February 5 Posted February 5 If he can't actually be physically present at Staplewood to lead the football side of the club is he actually the right person?
bugenhagen Posted February 5 Posted February 5 On 05/02/2025 at 22:03, SuperSAINT said: Can't we hologram him into Staplewood? Expand We can use the same technology that is being used to hologram Bednarek into the defence on match days! 2
Dman Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Feels like a really good appointment and he has an impressive CV. Really positive we've been able to attract him in the situation we find ourselves as hes obviously aware that we'll be in the championship next season. Lets see if its all too good to be true. 4
Harry_SFC Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 07/02/2025 at 14:38, goodymatt said: Expand He's got a huge job on his hands. Fingers crossed it works out. 1
Badger Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) Interesting that it states Group Technical Director , not specifically Saints. But pleased with the appointment if he is a move away from those responsible for this season's shambles. Edited February 7 by Badger
VectisSaint Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 07/02/2025 at 15:40, Badger said: Interesting that it states Group Technical Director , not specifically Saints. Expand But he reports to Saints CEO and will be based at Staplewood, so it sounds like Group is Southampton.
Badger Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 07/02/2025 at 15:45, VectisSaint said: But he reports to Saints CEO and will be based at Staplewood, so it sounds like Group is Southampton. Expand Thanks. Hadn't seen full article before but you're right.
Dusic Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) On 07/02/2025 at 15:45, VectisSaint said: But he reports to Saints CEO and will be based at Staplewood, so it sounds like Group is Southampton. Expand Yeah very good news he will be based at Staplewood! Lets hope he stays for more than a season. Edited February 7 by Dusic
Charlie Wayman Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 07/02/2025 at 16:00, Dusic said: Yeah very good news he will be based at Staplewood! Lets hope he stays for more than a season. Expand A man for all seasons?
skintsaint Posted February 7 Posted February 7 This summer is so important for the club in recruiting the right players so good to have him in place ready to go. 1
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