Johannes Spors - potential Sporting Director

[Saint Fan CaM]

Any news, speculation or hints as to when this happening?

[goodymatt]

Reports suggest we are confident of resolving but no timeframe given.

Speculation suggests that because he worked for 777 and not a club directly, that’s why he hasn’t met the criteria set post Brexit and we are the first to fall foul of the new rules set by the FA. Whether our appeal is successful isn’t certain but I hope it does work out as his CV is very well suited to both our needs and the wider club model needs.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

Reports suggest we are confident of resolving but no timeframe given.

Speculation suggests that because he worked for 777 and not a club directly, that’s why he hasn’t met the criteria set post Brexit and we are the first to fall foul of the new rules set by the FA. Whether our appeal is successful isn’t certain but I hope it does work out as his CV is very well suited to both our needs and the wider club model needs.

Yet Gao was allowed to buy the club despite failing FFP and the rules were then changed afterwards.

Yes, I know that was the PL and the FA are official sponsors for football-management related visas but the inconsistency of applying rules when they want and ignoring them when they don’t by governing bodies does my head in. Home Office panel will have made the decision but if the FA is sponsor they have a key role.

Edited Tuesday at 12:28 by Gloucester Saint

[redandwhitey]

Can he not just be employed by the group and be based in France/Turkey with group responsibilities and work remotely for 50% of the time ?

[Sir Ralph]

5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yet Gao was allowed to buy the club despite failing FFP and the rules were then changed afterwards.

Yes, I know that was the PL and the FA are official sponsors for football-management related visas but the inconsistency of applying rules when they want and ignoring them when they don’t by governing bodies does my head in. Home Office panel will have made the decision but if the FA is sponsor they have a key role.

Just get him on a dinghy across the channel....no probs then  

[lambtiss]

3 hours ago, redandwhitey said:

Can he not just be employed by the group and be based in France/Turkey with group responsibilities and work remotely for 50% of the time ?

I thought that also 

[Gloucester Saint]

16 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

I thought that also 

It is a faff from a payroll perspective, even with the 183 days pa or less rule on the double tax treaty (Germany and UK have a DTA) overseas nationals doing predominantly work for UK firms can still get stung for employee NI contributions https://germantaxes.de/tax-tips/double-tax-treaty/

Not impossible and gives the club leverage with the FA to lean on the Home Office for a fast-track appeal if the club pays for it.

Edited Tuesday at 19:04 by Gloucester Saint

[FarehamSaintJames]

Surely a DoF is going to have their own ideas regarding style of football or manager that is suitable.

Dragan has said in the media Juric is here for eighteen months. 

We’ve then gone after a DoF afterwards.

Is this another example of SR going backwards around things?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yet Gao was allowed to buy the club despite failing FFP and the rules were then changed afterwards.

Yes, I know that was the PL and the FA are official sponsors for football-management related visas but the inconsistency of applying rules when they want and ignoring them when they don’t by governing bodies does my head in. Home Office panel will have made the decision but if the FA is sponsor they have a key role.

Invade Greenland before Trump. Exploit mineral resources amassing vast wealth. Engage in dodgy arms deals to protect interests and shore up UK defence industry. Engage in dreadful human rights abused, handily (or not if cut off as punishment) including all those who disagree or report against any of the above. Use government leverage, defense contracts and Infrastructure projects to get pressure put on PL and FA behind the scenes. Find that the rules strangely shift to your whims. Once again, SR failing to take the simple route. 🙂

[benjii]

6 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Surely a DoF is going to have their own ideas regarding style of football or manager that is suitable.

Dragan has said in the media Juric is here for eighteen months. 

We’ve then gone after a DoF afterwards.

Is this another example of SR going backwards around things?

I don't see the DoF job as interfering with the manager's tactics and strategy on the pitch. It's more about making sure the club is operating to get the best out of the first team and to put the best squad together that it can. 

[SaintsLoyal]

Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners.

[Greenridge]

1 hour ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners.

He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football. 

At wonky Woking. Wonder if their American takeover has gone ahead? Needed to as their financial position was very serious. 

[Dman]

2 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners.

I can't work out if this is a dig at him or not... But I think hes in general done a pretty decent job. The fan zone and Dell bar are a great idea in terms of increasing revenue for the club and despite how shite are are, SMS is full every week. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Dman said:

I can't work out if this is a dig at him or not... But I think hes in general done a pretty decent job. The fan zone and Dell bar are a great idea in terms of increasing revenue for the club and despite how shite are are, SMS is full every week. 

I’ll be interested to see how he works with Spores assuming the WP is sorted out - Spores may find another way to work for the club with a dual tax agreement but it would be better not to be limited to 182 days or less in the UK pa. Phil would benefit from having a senior UK-based football presence who has some credibility, sorely lacking in SR thus far.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Give Phil Parsons the job, hes been sticking his nose into football not long after arrival, massive experience from selling vacuum cleaners.

He's familiar with the club, so a suck it and see appointment might work to really get into the corners. 🙂

 

Edited yesterday at 11:46 by Holmes_and_Watson
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[Nolan]

11 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Surely a DoF is going to have their own ideas regarding style of football or manager that is suitable.

Dragan has said in the media Juric is here for eighteen months. 

We’ve then gone after a DoF afterwards.

Is this another example of SR going backwards around things?

you dont know how long Solak has been talking to Spors, so its impossible to say.

[Bakovnetski]

16 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It is a faff from a payroll perspective, even with the 183 days pa or less rule on the double tax treaty (Germany and UK have a DTA) overseas nationals doing predominantly work for UK firms can still get stung for employee NI contributions https://germantaxes.de/tax-tips/double-tax-treaty/

Not impossible and gives the club leverage with the FA to lean on the Home Office for a fast-track appeal if the club pays for it.

If the club want him enough i'm sure they would "gross up" the NI to compensate. It's peanuts at the end of the day in the telephone numbers for salaries they are dealing with.

[josebaiw]

3 hours ago, Greenridge said:

He used to play alongside Glenn Cockerill so he's not completely naive to the world of football. 

I looked this up and yeah, he played under GC in the famous 14-1 win. It was our Phil who's error led to the conceded goal. One of our own.