Ed Rooney Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) Serious question, can anyone see where the next win is coming from Edited January 16 by Ed Rooney
Gloucester Saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 15 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said: Oh bloody hell. One of Starmers little cancel culture clowns are we? It was a dreadful comment though, much as I like Ottawa. I’m sure he’ll apologise on Atlantic time. Second part of your sentence you have either the wrong part of the forum - politics is for the lounge - or mistaken this for Conservative Home.co.uk 4
Convict Colony Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Are we going to overlook THB who is marrying Roy Keane's daughter made a basic error for the 3rd man u goal to put them out of sight Am joking of course or am I.
obelisk Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Last time we played ManU we did well for 30 minutes. This time we did so for an hour or more. Progress of a sort I suppose. 1
Convict Colony Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Serious question, can anyone see where the next win is coming from Burnley FA cup 3
woodsaint1 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Serious question, can anyone see where the next win is coming from First Championship game - August
Lighthouse Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 1 minute ago, obelisk said: Fitness lacking still. Physically and mentally unable to last 100 minutes. Getting there but getting over Martin's bad influence is going to take more time yet. After four defeats out of four games (against 16th, 15th, 13th and 11th) scoring two (one was an o.g.) and conceding eleven, I thought maybe we might be able to start to move on from Martin. I guess not. 3 2 1
Galway saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Played really well tonight and felt good to actually be competitive. How often though do our subs make us worse - the squad is so thin and poor Think Juric has had a good influence but still no points unfortunately 4
Harry_SFC Posted January 16 Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, OneMrsWallace said: Juric has had to improve poor levels of fitness and that takes a bit of time. Too soon to get a result for this game but signs are good. On the subject of Armstrong we shouldn't be having a debate. He should have been told in the summer 'thanks for helping us get promoted but you're not good enough for the PL so we're selling you.' Ridiculous that he's still here. Yes very much like a Billy Sharp scenario. Very good goalscorer in the Championship but we were ruthless enough to move him on and upgrade when we got promoted. 3
Matthew Le God Posted January 16 Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: As should Armstrong, I don't care if he scores 50 goals in the championship next season he's a proven non-entity in the Prem. We won't be in the PL next season. So why are his struggles at that level relevant to next season? In the Championship he is prolific. Having him in the Championship squad will be very useful. The time to sell him isn't this summer, it is after a promotion. 8
Fabrice29 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Feel sorry for the manager, squad is not good enough to kill off a game with goals and mentality isn’t good enough to manage the game under pressure. 3
Saint1963 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 53 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Always looks like he has leukemia, no wonder oppo players just brush him aside. Fuck you you nasty c**t 3
obelisk Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: After four defeats out of four games (against 16th, 15th, 13th and 11th) scoring two (one was an o.g.) and conceding eleven, I thought maybe we might be able to start to move on from Martin. I guess not. Martin had these players for half a season. It'll take the rest of this campaign to get rid of his malign influence. 3
Gloucester Saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 50 minutes ago, LGTL said: Smallbone at this level should be illegal let’s be honest It’s the club as well though. I remember Drew Surman was talented but a bit weedy when he played for us, Mick McCarthy got him on the weights and protein at Wolves and went onto have a good PL career with them, Norwich and Wolves. After the euphoria of Wembley Will should have been told ‘well done, but you can’t play PL central midfield 10 stone dripping wet. Here’s a weight training and protein diet regime, we need a stone of muscle development by mid-July. We will loan you out again if you aren’t physically able to compete in the top flight’. Edited January 16 by Gloucester Saint 4
OneMrsWallace Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: After four defeats out of four games (against 16th, 15th, 13th and 11th) scoring two (one was an o.g.) and conceding eleven, I thought maybe we might be able to start to move on from Martin. I guess not. I think your expectations are waaaaay too high given the depths to which we sank before Juric arrived. 5
Saint86 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Serious question, can anyone see where the next win is coming from No. Was obvious as soon as the goal went in that the players heads dropped. No belief or confidence. United were shit and still beat us fairly easily. 1 1
Harry_SFC Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said: Feel sorry for the manager, squad is not good enough to kill off a game with goals and mentality isn’t good enough to manage the game under pressure. There's been a mentality issue continuously since about 2017. Staggering really. 3
stknowle Posted January 16 Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said: Just look at the fixture list, where are the points coming from to get us to 12? It's all well and good thinking 'if we play like we did tonight, we'll be alright', but the confidence is just going to drain and drain. If we play like we did for most of tonight then there is hope against Palace and Wolves, Ipswich and Leicester and maybe a disinterested on the beach mid table Bournemouth or Fulham to scrape together 6 points. That’s our season right there, can we avoid the utter humiliation of being statistically the worst team ever to play at this level by scraping together SIX more points. Night all and sleep well!!! 2
Gloucester Saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Saint1963 said: Fuck you you nasty c**t It was a bad one and he should apologise. Cancer and football outcomes aren’t comparable and should never be. 8
SambaMaverick Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: We won't be in the PL next season. So why are his struggles at that level relevant to next season? In the Championship he is prolific. Having him in the Championship squad will be very useful. The time to sell him isn't this summer, it is after a promotion. 100% agree, no point cutting off our nose to spite our face. If promoted again, we need to then sell to some promotion challengers who will pay a relative bomb for a proven goalscorer like AA. 1
saintstowin Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Really enjoyed the first half and then I was a traitor and went to BBC1 with the family. I'm going to be positive. We looked like a team and really took the game to them. There were gaps which I imagine increased in the 2nd half and our sub options are very limited. Maybe one of the later things a new manager learns about their squad is who can impact/steady a game off the bench. I saw players trying hard and actually being inventive. 3
Chez Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, OneMrsWallace said: I think your expectations are waaaaay too high given the depths to which we sank before Juric arrived. Yep. It's not long ago that we were 0-5 down after 25 minutes against Spurs. 2
die Mannyschaft Posted January 16 Posted January 16 47 minutes ago, Chez said: Jesus, the hate for Smallbone on here is mental. 1 minute ago, saintstowin said: Really enjoyed the first half and then I was a traitor and went to BBC1 with the family. I'm going to be positive. We looked like a team and really took the game to them. There were gaps which I imagine increased in the 2nd half and our sub options are very limited. Maybe one of the later things a new manager learns about their squad is who can impact/steady a game off the bench. I saw players trying hard and actually being inventive. Smallbone and Armstrong are Faithfulls. Watched it to and bbc text. 1
Ekelund Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: It was a bad one and he should apologise. Cancer and football outcomes aren’t comparable and should never be. Prick can fuck off. Apology or not. I’m 42 and appreciate it sounds like cyber warrior, meet you round the back of veals bollocks, but fuck me. I and many others on here will have encountered that or similar. 2
Chez Posted January 16 Posted January 16 It wont be news to anyone, but Fernandes will be in great demand in the summer. Very very impressive tonight. 3
Fabrice29 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: There's been a mentality issue continuously since about 2017. Staggering really. Yup, 8 of our 16 tonight here in the last relegation season. The problem transcends managers, tactics and whatever else. New CB’s and new strikers for this level please.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Ekelund said: Prick can fuck off. Apology or not. I’m 42 and appreciate it sounds like cyber warrior, meet you round the back of veals bollocks, but fuck me. I and many others on here will have encountered that or similar. Yes, lost too many loved ones to it. Truly lost his sense of perspective there, it is only sport. 1
Hodgey Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Can see what Juric is trying to do. He got his tactics and stating 11 spot on - Bree played well and covered for Sugas lack of defensive nous and he’s got Suli and Les firing. He’s also pragmatic enough to accept that our strikers are not good enough and has got Dibling and Fernandez in much more attacking areas where they can show their quality. Can see the frustration with the subs. He’s a bit unlucky as Smallbone and Downes aren’t match fit due to injury, but agree that Smallbone sub as a false 9 was never going to work. The players were definitely tiring (agree that Martin never got this squad fit enough) and I think we would have still lost without the subs, but the subs were all notably worse than the players they replaced (Utd opposite). Hopefully dibling is ok - be really good to play that same team again again Forest (you can argue Manning for Suga). If dibling isn’t fit we don’t have anyone else who can remotely play there which is a real worry (and slight on our recruitment). 1
trousers Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Note to self : add "time to move on" to the Saintsweb contrarian bingo card, whenever someone has the gall to mention Russell Martin ever again... 1
Convict Colony Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Honestly bednerak is a master shithouse, if only he can teach the midfield how to do it without getting booked.
saintant Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Aside from THB's howler, and he'll have to explain that one to his future father-in-law, we were ultimately undone by a lucky break that went Diallo's way for the equaliser and a brilliant ball from Eriksen - very fine margins. 1
Lighthouse Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, trousers said: Note to self : add "time to move on" to the Saintsweb contrarian bingo card, whenever someone has the gall to mention Russell Martin ever again... All the laughing emojis in the world aren’t going to change the fact that he’s been gone a month, we’re still losing every game and the players are still substandard. I don’t know when the penny drops, maybe it doesn’t, who knows. 5
Wiggles31 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 We were sensational for 70 minutes then Dibling went off and tiredness kicked in. Utd were incredibly lucky to win that. Suleman was the best player on the pitch by a country mile for 70 mins closely followed by Fernandes. Loads of positives to take in a now pointless season. 5
Gloucester Saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said: Yup, 8 of our 16 tonight here in the last relegation season. The problem transcends managers, tactics and whatever else. New CB’s and new strikers for this level please. Let’s hope this new Sporting Director, if it is to be Spors, starts bringing in players with the athleticism and physicality to cope with competing for the autos and then PL like Wolves did under Nuno as the core of the squad if we get back there at some stage. Ely, Vesty, AA - we’ve been signing/developing players who get swamped and dominated physically. Victor/Morgan are what you need in CM. Downes could do a job if he gets help and can bulk up slightly. Lesley has been dire, not an athlete, fortunately Chelsea’s issue. The smaller technical players are the icing on the cake when the core squad is built. 2
Wiggles31 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 If we hired Juric after the Bournemouth away game we’d have had a chance of staying up. 7
trousers Posted January 16 Posted January 16 42 minutes ago, notnowcato said: Stoke loved Smallbone the season before. Yep, they loved him so much he even had his own hero-worship thread on their forum.... https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/306819/why-smallbone-keep?page=1 6 1
Sir Ralph Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Fair play to Juric for getting by far best out of sulemana and it was because of his tactics 8
Saint86 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 9 hours ago, Wiggles31 said: We were sensational for 70 minutes then Dibling went off and tiredness kicked in. Utd were incredibly lucky to win that. Suleman was the best player on the pitch by a country mile for 70 mins closely followed by Fernandes. Loads of positives to take in a now pointless season. One of the reasons we didn't win because of sulemana tbh, incredibly wasteful and selfish on 3 occasions that ultimately cost us. Very frustrating! Playing for his move I guess. Yes it looks good having the defender on toast at will... But it's worth Jack all if you do nothing of merit with it. Edited January 17 by Saint86 2 3
trousers Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: All the laughing emojis in the world aren’t going to change the fact that he’s been gone a month, we’re still losing every game and the players are still substandard. I don’t know when the penny drops, maybe it doesn’t, who knows. House! 😂 Edited January 16 by trousers
saintant Posted January 16 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: All the laughing emojis in the world aren’t going to change the fact that he’s been gone a month, we’re still losing every game and the players are still substandard. I don’t know when the penny drops, maybe it doesn’t, who knows. So you didn't see that Juric had us looking like a proper football team and competing - maybe it's your penny that needs to drop. I get that we lost but that performance was night and day compared with Russball. 12
Whitey Grandad Posted January 16 Posted January 16 41 minutes ago, notnowcato said: Martin’s long gone. Get over it. But we still have the scar tissue. 2
trousers Posted January 16 Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: All the laughing emojis in the world aren’t going to change the fact that he’s been gone a month, we’re still losing every game and the players are still substandard. I don’t know when the penny drops, maybe it doesn’t, who knows. P.s. if you promise to stop making me chortle I'll cease with the laughing emojis... 2
Gloucester Saint Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 8 minutes ago, trousers said: Yep, they loved him so much he even had his own hero-worship thread on their forum.... https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/306819/why-smallbone-keep?page=1 TBF Will did go on to be very popular with their fans. I think he was encouraged to toughen up to compete and he has does have a very good first touch and passes first time smartly, as we saw in the PO Final. His familiarity with the division got him out of jail last season and scored some good goals which is another attribute. Sadly, Martin’s environment didn’t push him to get to the gym for building up some strength to hold players off and compete better as he did at Stoke. It was obvious he wasn’t going to compete in the heat of a PL midfield with that body shape, it should have been obvious to Russell and the club’s sports science/nutrition and he should have been jetting off on holiday with a strict protein and weights regime. The player has to take responsibility too but we know that’s been a weakness since 2017. It’s only the players like Ings and Stuart Armstrong who have come from bigger and more professional environments who have succeeded at SFC because they bypass the lazy SFC culture. EDIT - Ivan needs to buy him a nice big Fillet Steak at Staplewood everyday. Edited January 16 by Gloucester Saint
trousers Posted January 16 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, saintant said: So you didn't see that Juric had us looking like a proper football team and competing - maybe it's your penny that needs to drop. I get that we lost but that performance was night and day compared with Russball. "Russball"? Get over it FFS...! 2
Forester Posted January 16 Posted January 16 As one of those who was there, and gutted to lose, I can cope with watching performances like that. My take: - We looked like a well coached team, with a clear plan - It’s a more enjoyable experience watching us be on the front foot, and made Manure look like a poor team for the first hour - high press football is tiring, and anyone saying “why did we have to make any subs” is thick as shit - to try and implement this style half way through the season is really tough, after the opposite style had been worked on all pre season and players confidence is now low - our subs show that we really only have about 12 or 13 players good enough, and beyond that we have honest hard working championship players. 11
Micky Posted January 16 Posted January 16 38 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Serious question, can anyone see where the next win is coming from Hopefully Burnley, in the league, very probably not this season.
Lighthouse Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, saintant said: So you didn't see that Juric had us looking like a proper football team and competing - maybe it's your penny that needs to drop. I get that we lost but that performance was night and day compared with Russball. We lost 3-1 against the team in 15th. I don’t remember this level of optimism when we played well against Leicester and Liverpool for large periods and lost 3-2 but I guess there’s some difference I’m not seeing. 7 1
trousers Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Forester said: As one of those who was there, and gutted to lose, I can cope with watching performances like that. My take: - We looked like a well coached team, with a clear plan - It’s a more enjoyable experience watching us be on the front foot, and made Manure look like a poor team for the first hour - high press football is tiring, and anyone saying “why did we have to make any subs” is thick as shit - to try and implement this style half way through the season is really tough, after the opposite style had been worked on all pre season and players confidence is now low - our subs show that we really only have about 12 or 13 players good enough, and beyond that we have honest hard working championship players. So, absolutely no difference to when the previous unmentionable geezer was in charge then...?
Roo1976 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 32 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: After four defeats out of four games (against 16th, 15th, 13th and 11th) scoring two (one was an o.g.) and conceding eleven, I thought maybe we might be able to start to move on from Martin. I guess not. we've still got the same team just longer kicks,but we hold onto the ball well when its called for,frustrated yes ,did i think wed win no, but there was a good vibe about it.Can we defend.....NO. Please just let us beat Derbys horrendous points total please. If we had a half decent bit of luck in front of goal the game should have been out of sight at half time as im sure there would have been many comments about this already. But we didn't cover ourselves with poor finishing and just that mental belief to go on and get it over the line ,we got deeper than we should have and just failed again. Suleman wasted glorious chances to score and or assist,,just a missed opportunity to have won Bugger. 1
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