Saints 0-5 Brentford - Match Thread

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Didn't say anything about hairdryer treatment, you don't have to shout at people to gain their respect. You don't think RM saying how much he loved the players was a problem? Giving them two days off a week is acceptable? We are soft as shit both on and off the pitch.

Nope, not saying it was acceptable. Don't have a problem with him telling the players how much he loved them though. Happens all the time in the NFL and they're not soft.

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

This isn't the 80's mate, players don't react to hairdryers. They want structure, tactics and nurturing. It's not a case of just pumping it forward and kicking a boot at the players if they make a mistake.

Martin is the worst permanent manager in premier league history, with a worse win % than Nathan Jones, si we clearly didn’t have a structure, tactics or nurturing under him. Still at least  he had more friends….

[Micky]

You can blame the players all you like, the simple fact of the matter is that 95% of this squad is not good enough for the Premiere League. But, you do have to ask, who on earth at the club thought that we would be?  Who put this bunch of awful footballers together and thought that they could compete?  Loads of posters on here could clearly see that at very least we need a goalscorer, yet we try and cuff it with absolute garbage from the bargain basement.   Well, the owners are about to reap what they sowed, and Southampton football club is about to register some of the worst stats in premiere league history.  

[Nieldy]

Didnt Gordon Strachen tell the players to turn up for extra training the next day after a bad performance and then didnt turn up himself the next day at the training ground. Made them hang around for 90mins before ringing the training ground telling the players you wasted my time and the fans time yesterday so im wasting yours this morning.

[Farmer Saint]

Look, I get it. We had everyone saying it can't get any worse than Martin. Now it's looking like it might have got worse, we've got to blame it all on Martin. I get it, it's saving face. It's like the Brexiteers blaming COVID for the shit show that is 4 years post leaving.

I understand.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Look, I get it. We had everyone saying it can't get any worse than Martin. Now it's looking like it might have got worse, we've got to blame it all on Martin. I get it, it's saving face. It's like the Brexiteers blaming COVID for the shit show that is 4 years post leaving.

I understand.

Let’s see if we fail to get as many points going forward 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Martin is the worst permanent manager in premier league history, with a worse win % than Nathan Jones, si we clearly didn’t have a structure, tactics or nurturing under him. Still at least  he had more friends….

I must have missed the Juric win...

I'm not saying Martin is good, but we have a Championship team. It's a hard league and we've recruited the majority of players for next season.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Let’s see if we fail to get as many points going forward 

Yeah, let's see.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Micky said:

You can blame the players all you like, the simple fact of the matter is that 95% of this squad is not good enough for the Premiere League. But, you do have to ask, who on earth at the club thought that we would be?  Who put this bunch of awful footballers together and thought that they could compete?  Loads of posters on here could clearly see that at very least we need a goalscorer, yet we try and cuff it with absolute garbage from the bargain basement.   Well, the owners are about to reap what they sowed, and Southampton football club is about to register some of the worst stats in premiere league history.  

It's a 10 year plan, and the club knew that. We'll be pretty rosy next season due to this.

[washsaint]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Look, I get it. We had everyone saying it can't get any worse than Martin. Now it's looking like it might have got worse, we've got to blame it all on Martin. I get it, it's saving face. It's like the Brexiteers blaming COVID for the shit show that is 4 years post leaving.

I understand.

Keep on digging mate......

This is on Martin and SR.  Are you saying we were doing well under Martin with our typical 0 shots on goal?  YOu thought the SPurs result was acceptable?

When you look at the Prem and you see the other teams (including Ipswich) playing at pace and then compare to our lot with their walking football under Martin and you thought that was OK?

 

[Tamesaint]

Our players may not be very good but they could be a heck of a lot fitter. We couldn't match the speed and power of Brentford yesterday and were totally knackered at the end. I don't care whose fault that is - just get it sorted. 

[Matt]

Not posted on here for a while but keen follower.

Maybe the players were as underwhelmed but the new manager appointment as we were.

The lack of fight yesterday was inexcusable and any slim chance we had of avoiding the drop long gone.

I have only ever walked out early in a game twice in the decades supporting the saints. Yesterday and the Spurs game…yesterday was not the performance nor the score line but after the 3rd goal went in Brerton Diaz, Lallana and Manning were warming up and Diaz found it hilarious, laughing and joking and trying to get Lallana involved. The players don’t give a crap…  had to leave before I shouted something and got removed.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Much like a lot of posts, that was a dispiriting hammering. 5-0, with Ramsdale making saves and them squandering a number of other opportunities. In reply...nothing.

A team that's worse than the sum of its parts. 

A defence that looked uncertain as a 3, and wide open as a 2.  Attacking fullbacks that offered nothing going forward, little defensive cover, and in the case of Sugawara, gifted them a goal.  A midfield that consisted of a kid the previous manager didn't fancy (and who left lots of space for them on Saturday and gave a away a penalty) and an out of position player who is a squad player on his better days. Up front we had a kid who tries hard, but is raw and players who might as well be strangers to the rest of the side.  

Brentford were fitter across the whole 90+ minutes. They linked up well. Or rather, they could link up with the ease our defence allowed them to, and they took advantage of that. They were stronger and sharper. RM's possession game gave us lots of the ball, nothing up front and some poor decision making. The last couple of games have seen us give up whatever possession we had, replacing it with flat, spiritless football, with lots of gaps and still some poor decision making.

It's transfermarket, but Brentford recruited solidly (and with good value) over time to stay up, and then have spent a bit more to help keep it that way. We've not kept up with others, and tried to game the system with Mr Football, resulting in 2 relegation. We got rid of our better core to reduce the wage bill (while others just wanted away from being a football drone)

It was terribly clear which team had recruited better on Saturday. They were toying with us while we didn't lay a glove on them.

M. Flekken 13
K. Lewis-Potter 19
S. van den Berg 23.6
N. Collins 26.85
M. Roerslev 0.06
M. Damsgaard 15
M. Jensen 3.8
C. Nørgaard (c), Captain3.5
K. Schade 25
Y. Wissa 10
B. Mbeumo 6.5

Previous transfers also include

 thiago 33
hickey14.25
carvallo 23.4
ajer15.7

A. Ramsdale 21.4
N. Wood-Gordon 3.5
J. Bednarek (c), Captain6
T. Harwood-Bellis 23
K. Walker-Peters 13.3
J. Aribo 7.1
L. Ugochukwu loan
J. Bree 0.85
K. Sulemana 25
P. Onuachu 18
T. Dibling y

Our recent transfers include         

downes 17.85
archer 17.6
fernandes 15

                                           

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, washsaint said:

Keep on digging mate......

This is on Martin and SR.  Are you saying we were doing well under Martin with our typical 0 shots on goal?  YOu thought the SPurs result was acceptable?

When you look at the Prem and you see the other teams (including Ipswich) playing at pace and then compare to our lot with their walking football under Martin and you thought that was OK?

 

Why do you think I'm supporting Martin? I'm just saying the grass isn't always greener.

Nearly everyone on here thought anyone could do a better job. It turns out that may not be true, but to keep blaming this on Martin once he's gone is just too convenient. Wolves had a massive bounce in results. Is that due to Gary O'Neil? No, course not. A good Manager can turn a team around irrelevant of who came before. The issue is we haven't upgraded our Manager.

This is on SR.

[SaintsBarry74]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Unreal isn't it. What an embarrassing club we are when we're discussing if getting away with only losing 5-0 at home against the worst away team in the division is worse than 2 9-0 losses we've had in the last few years. What a laughing stock we are.

It’s fucking sad

[Pamplemousse]

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Edited Sunday at 20:08 by Pamplemousse

[coalman]

Hard to see us getting anything until we get fitter and employ a midfield. The players are clearly pining for the salad days of hugs under Martin. They're probably saving themselves for having to train today and tomorrow.

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

Nah, I see only 3 players bothered to acknowledge those left at the end. Anyone know who they were out of interest?

THB, Janny B and KWP

24 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Unreal isn't it. What an embarrassing club we are when we're discussing if getting away with only losing 5-0 at home against the worst away team in the division is worse than 2 9-0 losses we've had in the last few years. What a laughing stock we are.

This club has been an utter embarrassment over the past six years really, just going from one low point to another. Even last season in the Championship we lost 5-0 twice. 

Three of our last four home games we've conceded five goals. Every time you think it can't get any worse, it does.

1 win in our last 33 Premier League games...

[Football Special]

By the way this Brentford game was the club special £1 tickets for Junior Members, what a way to turn off the next generation 👏 

 

Does anyone else buy the match programme? I do when with the kids, they like looking through it, this season you get to collect stickers with each edition, assume aimed at the nippers, they've got to be having a laugh with this week's choices 

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

THB, Janny B and KWP

This club has been an utter embarrassment over the past six years really, just going from one low point to another. Even last season in the Championship we lost 5-0 twice. 

Three of our last four home games we've conceded five goals. Every time you think it can't get any worse, it does.

1 win in our last 33 Premier League games...

That last statement shows everything you need to know, and nearly half those games weren't this season. This shows that the issue is way deeper than the Manager.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

THB, Janny B and KWP

This club has been an utter embarrassment over the past six years really, just going from one low point to another. Even last season in the Championship we lost 5-0 twice. 

Three of our last four home games we've conceded five goals. Every time you think it can't get any worse, it does.

1 win in our last 33 Premier League games...

And the whole time the owners/leaders have thought they were geniuses who were reinventing the way football is played and how clubs should be run.  

[Give it to Ron]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

That last statement shows everything you need to know, and nearly half those games weren't this season. This shows that the issue is way deeper than the Manager.

It’s recruitment simple as that

[Galway saint]

The last two goals yesterday were absolutely abysmal.

It’s crazy to think that we have assembled a squad so poor that we have to play the midfield and attack we turned out yesterday. Last season we needed another decent midfielder and yet this season when  in the PL we didn’t sign one and now we have joe aribo and a young lad from chelsea. It was a complete mismatch but it’s difficult to blame the manager as what was the alternative ? The recruitment since SR took over has been atrocious. We have signed so many poor players.

 

 

[Oldandtired]

I really don't know where we go from here. I'm not angry, I'm not pointing fingers, I just feel numb at where the club is at the moment. 
 

Perhaps the only way from here is up, but from where I'm sitting is difficult to see where that path starts.

Edited Sunday at 20:37 by Oldandtired

[Lord Duckhunter]

54 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I must have missed the Juric win...

 

Don’t worry, he’s got another 10 games before he’s as bad as the player’s mate. 
 

#scartissue

Edited Sunday at 20:55 by Lord Duckhunter

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t worry, he’s got another 10 games before he’s as bad as the player’s mate. 

Yup, I wouldn't bet against him being worse...

[SaintTex]

50 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

THB, Janny B and KWP

This club has been an utter embarrassment over the past six years really, just going from one low point to another. Even last season in the Championship we lost 5-0 twice. 

Three of our last four home games we've conceded five goals. Every time you think it can't get any worse, it does.

1 win in our last 33 Premier League games...

pretty well summed up, but more like 8 years

2017-18   17th

2018-19   16th

2019-20   11th (9 weeks in the relegation zone)

2020-21   15th

2021-22   15th

2022-23   20th

2023-24    Championship

2024-25    20th

 

Pelle, Tadic, Mane, VVD days feel like 30 years ago, not 10.

Edited Sunday at 21:00 by SaintTex

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

We lost 5-0 to Spurs under Martin. 5-1 to Chelsea, 3-0 to Bournemouth, 3-0 to Man Utd. Let's not try and make out Martins reign was full of roses, it wasn't, it was an absolute complete and utter shit show which has lead us to where we are right now.

It hasn’t ‘lead us’ anywhere. Martin got the results he did with this useless squad of players. Three games into Juric’s tenure, people are already having grumblings and perhaps the worst part is he’s had probably the best three, winnable fixtures a new manager could have prayed for.

One day, after two completely different managers with different footballing strategies have had a go, people are going to have to accept that neither of them were the real problem. Remember, Juric came in with a reputation of setting his teams up hard to beat, at a club in a similar quality league to ours. We’ve just shipped five goals at home to the worst away team in the league. Sugawara did any interview saying how great it is that we’re now getting the ball and looking to get it forward asap. We’ve score one goal against West Ham, Palace and Brentford.

When will the penny finally drop? We’ve got sh*t players. Not ‘mediocre’, not ‘average’, at this level the vast majority of them are absolute dogsh*t.

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It hasn’t ‘lead us’ anywhere. Martin got the results he did with this useless squad of players. Three games into Juric’s tenure, people are already having grumblings and perhaps the worst part is he’s had probably the best three, winnable fixtures a new manager could have prayed for.

One day, after two completely different managers with different footballing strategies have had a go, people are going to have to accept that neither of them were the real problem. Remember, Juric came in with a reputation of setting his teams up hard to beat, at a club in a similar quality league to ours. We’ve just shipped five goals at home to the worst away team in the league. Sugawara did any interview saying how great it is that we’re now getting the ball and looking to get it forward asap. We’ve score one goal against West Ham, Palace and Brentford.

When will the penny finally drop? We’ve got sh*t players. Not ‘mediocre’, not ‘average’, at this level the vast majority of them are absolute dogsh*t.

This.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It hasn’t ‘lead us’ anywhere. Martin got the results he did with this useless squad of players. Three games into Juric’s tenure, people are already having grumblings and perhaps the worst part is he’s had probably the best three, winnable fixtures a new manager could have prayed for.

One day, after two completely different managers with different footballing strategies have had a go, people are going to have to accept that neither of them were the real problem. Remember, Juric came in with a reputation of setting his teams up hard to beat, at a club in a similar quality league to ours. We’ve just shipped five goals at home to the worst away team in the league. Sugawara did any interview saying how great it is that we’re now getting the ball and looking to get it forward asap. We’ve score one goal against West Ham, Palace and Brentford.

When will the penny finally drop? We’ve got sh*t players. Not ‘mediocre’, not ‘average’, at this level the vast majority of them are absolute dogsh*t.

The whole setup of the club is absolute dogshit, not just the players. The stench of shit runs through every nook and cranny of St Marys.

[Lord Duckhunter]

15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

the worst part is he’s had probably the best three, winnable fixtures a new manager could have prayed for.

Funny how when Martin had 60 mins against 10 men Newcastle, Ipswich home, Leicester home, Wolves when they were rock bottom with O Neil,  I don’t recall you moaning how easy those fixtures were and we should have picked up points. 

[Maggie May]

On 31/12/2024 at 18:58, Maggie May said:

Our Premier League record against Brentford is abysmal. One win, five defeats. 

Frank is a class manager, Juric is not.

Easy 3-0 Brentford win. 

Call me the oracle.

[Dark Munster]

14 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Call me the oracle.

You got the score wrong.

[Charlie Wayman]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

After sitting through that disgrace of a performance, I just can't see where we go from here. The only ones to emerge with any sort of credit from yesterday would be Dibling and Ramsdale. The rest of them are a complete waste of time, absolutely pathethic from all of them. None of them are worthy of wearing that shirt, none of them. 

The shirt is crap as well so they're well matched.

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, SaintTex said:

pretty well summed up, but more like 8 years

2017-18   17th

2018-19   16th

2019-20   11th (9 weeks in the relegation zone)

2020-21   15th

2021-22   15th

2022-23   20th

2023-24    Championship

2024-25    20th

 

Pelle, Tadic, Mane, VVD days feel like 30 years ago, not 10.

Coming away from the game yesterday, me and my brother were reminiscing about when we beat Sunderland 8-0 and the players we had. We were saying just that, it was only just over 9 years ago but it feels a like a lifetime.

[SaintTex]

16 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Coming away from the game yesterday, me and my brother were reminiscing about when we beat Sunderland 8-0 and the players we had. We were saying just that, it was only just over 9 years ago but it feels a like a lifetime.

[SouSaint]

This is a hard one to get over. We were humiliated. Brentford didn't even get out of first gear and 5-0 flattered us. What the fuck were those tactics, we had zero midfield. 

The players can go and get fucked as well, they all gave up the moment it went 2-0. THB's effort to get back after losing the ball for the 2nd was a complete disgrace. I have no idea how supporters can still applaud these bunch of fucking losers at the final whistle. 

The Derby record will soon because the Southampton record, thanks a lot Sport Republic, you clueless cunts. 

[trousers]

50 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Call me the oracle.

Tempting... But I'll save the embarrassment this time...

[Toussaint]

Where is Ryan Fraser? Not in the squad and not on the injured list. 

[Monk]

Not really here to comment on the pitch, too little too late and we’re going down with less points than Derby. Hats off to the fans that stayed and supported, you’re a better person than me.

But I did want to comment on how utterly disgusted I am with the hospitality incident. I cannot fucking fathom how that happened yesterday and bitterly disappointed the video came from an ex employee of the football club who by all accounts was very well liked/adored when here. How anyone from not only the hospitality team but the player care side thought that was appropriate was a fucking disgrace. 

That video completely sums up just how out of touch the club is at the moment. When I look at the individuals in the hierarchy, I have some real reservations how many of them really are high performing and appropriate for the role. I mean we’ve created a ‘design studio advisory’ business. I can’t compute how that’s even been signed off as a priority for the club on an ops level. It’s hardly going to generate significant turnover that will positively impact the football clubs income. 

I went and watched ‘my non league side’ on Saturday who also lost so I’m gonna take up following shuffleboard or some other non bollocky sport.

Edited Sunday at 22:46 by Monk

[warsash saint]

3 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

Worse than the 0-9s? Calm down.

100% it was worse.  The Leicester 9 nil was the only one at home & we played 80 mins with 10 men.  (the 9 nil away we played again with 10 & against Mike Dean reffing & John Moss on VAR)...

Brentford turn up yesterday with 2 points of their travels - they score five .... have a legit goal chalked off, hit the woodwork, Ramsdale makes a handful of saves & miss a couple of chances that my Nan would have buried.  If Brentford had scored double digits, then no one could have complained

So yes it was worse!!!

Edited Sunday at 22:57 by warsash saint

[OneMrsWallace]

So many of the basics just weren't there. Suguawara jogging back instead of busting a gut when he's only been on the pitch five minutes. Terrible crosses, defenders not getting tight, poor control, it was pitiful. But the thing that made me decide they've all given up was the complete lack of communication on the pitch. I was pitch side and didn't hear a single word between them all game. Silence. Nobody wanted to say anything. A lack of ability is one thing but combine that with a lack of character and we will get plenty more 5-0 hammerings before the season ends. The club is a shit show. Juric has no chance of changing anything. He's arrived just in time to watch the patient expire. Sports Republic - I don't know which 'sport' it refers to but it ain't football. 

[Nordic Saint]

Brentford paid a club record fee of £5.8 mill for Bryan Mbeumo. Saints paid £22 mill for Sulemana and £18 mill for Onuachu. How can we hope to compete with a club as sensible as Brentford?

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Where is Ryan Fraser? Not in the squad and not on the injured list. 

Does seem bit of an odd one. I'm not suggesting for one moment that he's significantly better than any of our other players, if at all, but the one thing we're crying out for is Premier League experience and he's one of a few players in the squad that brings that to the table.

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Monk said:

we’ve created a ‘design studio advisory’ business

 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Nordic Saint said:

Brentford paid a club record fee of £5.8 mill for Bryan Mbeumo. Saints paid £22 mill for Sulemana and £18 mill for Onuachu. How can we hope to compete with a club as sensible as Brentford?

But rasmus was the mastermind behind Brentford's rise... 😭

[Saint Fan CaM]

I don’t think RM brought all of the shitshow to the club - I reckon there has been a deliberate strategy to play a keep-ball system to ENABLE lower quality/cost players to be purchased. Russball was required by design therefore and that was fine for the Championship, but not so good for the EPL. And now we have a new Manager asking sub-standard players to raise their game, which clearly they can’t…they’re not good enough. To be fair they’re not ‘bad’ players - they’re just woefully short on fitness and technical skill to compete at EPL level. 

SR’s strategy has totally failed and it could be argued that the writing was on the wall by only achieving fourth at season end, but no lessons were learned. Unless 5-6 new top level starters are purchased in this coming window, we shall continue to see shockingly poor performances. That’s not going to happen, so be prepared for months more of the shitshow. The only light at the end of the tunnel is the Championship, but that will require a complete re-think again in the summer as team morale will be even further shot to bits. I feel really sorry for Juric - he’s put his career on the line thinking he can make an impact, but in truth the season was gone the minute the summer ‘24 window closed.

[Forester]

5 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Look, I get it. We had everyone saying it can't get any worse than Martin. Now it's looking like it might have got worse, we've got to blame it all on Martin. I get it, it's saving face. It's like the Brexiteers blaming COVID for the shit show that is 4 years post leaving.

I understand.

Farmer, I happen to think Brexit always was going to be, and has been, an absolute disaster.  But turning to your analogy, have you considered that two things may coexist?  Specifically that the players lack quality, but that also Martin attempting champagne football from the defenders of said poor quality squad and never deviating is madness?

[chiknsmack]

Right-footed Sulemana and KWP on the left. Bree and left-footed Aribo or Dibling on the right. Players who found themselves consistently in the right position to go to the byline and curl a cross back for Onuachu and most of them were on the wrong side of the pitch to do so (and the other for whatever reason had zero interest in trying).

Things have improved by having a clear, simple plan when in possession in the defensive third (don't tap it around and eventually pass it to the opposition to let them have a shot; just send it long). We're no longer the architects of our own demise at the back. Now we need a clear, simple plan in attack, something like "Get it wide, then get it forward, then get it in the box".

If repeatedly playing the ball around our own box led to conceding goals, maybe repeatedly playing the ball into the opposition box could lead to scoring some.

[SNSUN]

Shame the website was down as this thread would have been next level funny as the Brentford goals were flying in. 

Honestly pathetic from Saints. We need a reset. We need some signings. I honestly feel sorry for the fans that have been going week after week. I moan about shift work a lot but it is saving me from having to watch that crap so it's not all bad. 

I still think we have a better side than THAT Derby side back in the day but confidence is at rock bottom. Can anyone see where the next League win is coming from?