Saints 0-5 Brentford - Match Thread

[Convict Colony]

The legoland derby, the danepak duel, the carlberg clash of 2 danish giants - Rasmus v Thomas Frank

Rasmus leveraging the work of Thomas and team to snag a billionaire investor.

Edited 30 December, 2024 by Convict Colony

[Convict Colony]

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Edited 30 December, 2024 by Convict Colony
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[Badger]

Legoland derby ? Thought he'd fucked off. 

[coalman]

A team that's good at through balls and finishing versus, well, us.

2-1 to Saints.

[Gloucester Saint]

A few chants of ‘you can stick your fucking spreadsheets up your arse’ would leave no doubt with both sets of fans who it was aimed at. No way our lot would have the guts to sing that at Rasmus though. 

A good opportunity to see how we should have been playing since August but they have Thomas Frank and we had a village idiot. 

1-3 - a batting effort but futile against better players, and a much better club.

[Football Special]

I'd never encourage betting, but if you have a few spare pounds I'd recommend putting them on a Brentford win, odds seem generous at the moment (we're the only two teams still without an away win)

[Pamplemousse]

IF and it is a big if, we play like we did in the first half against West Half and this time score a couple of goals, we may have a chance.

Edited 30 December, 2024 by Pamplemousse

[Badger]

46 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

A few chants of ‘you can stick your fucking spreadsheets up your arse’ would leave no doubt with both sets of fans who it was aimed at. No way our lot would have the guts to sing that at Rasmus though. 

A good opportunity to see how we should have been playing since August but they have Thomas Frank and we had a village idiot. 

1-3 - a batting effort but futile against better players, and a much better club.

You start it off, we’ll soon pick it up.

[SouSaint]

Just the 2 points away from home for Brentford so far this season. I think we know how this one goes. 

[AlexLaw76]

Who cares?

we will probably go into the game with a 3/5 man defence and just give up the middle of the park.

we will get picked off and lose 1-3

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

I'd never encourage betting, but if you have a few spare pounds I'd recommend putting them on a Brentford win, odds seem generous at the moment (we're the only two teams still without an away win)

It’s as close to a banker as you can get. I don’t think I’ve ever bet on Saints to lose but I might start, even with terrible odds it’s still free money. 

[Turkish]

Surely this should be known as 

The Data Driven Derby

 

[OneMrsWallace]

Going with my son who is excited about standing at a game for the first time. Oh to be excited about anything to do with Saints nowadays 😅 2-1 to Brentford seems likely. 

[Football Special]

Northam banner needs to just be league table with Sports Republic Out stamped on top of it 

[Lighthouse]

41 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Northam banner needs to just be league table with Sports Republic Out stamped on top of it 

I don't want them out so much as I want someone who actually knows what he's doing making the football decisions. There are far, far worse owners than SR, who have actually opened their cheque book quite a lot.

[east-stand-nic]

Brentford's first away win? Surely we cannot be that bad as to allow that to happen? Surely Juric will have seen enough now to know who must be dropped etc. If Archer is well enough (heard he was sicky) then he has to start with TP. I also want to know why CT has not got a look in. KWP on the right please.

[coalman]

9 hours ago, Turkish said:

Surely this should be known as 

The Data Driven Derby

 

I'm pretty sure what we're doing is the form of data driven my lecturers always ranted about. Where we only follow loose correlation without testing causality. That's how you wind up with the fittest man in Europe who has the best stats or a play style that optimises for giving your opponents clear cut chances. I doubt Rasmus even uses confidence intervals.

Brentford and Brighton on the other hand appear to actually practice data science.

[St. Ciervo]

The only data that matters is 0 points. 

Maybe AA will score a goal and maybe we won't get overrun midfield. Maybe SR has a plan for January and yetis are real. 

Edited 31 December, 2024 by St. Ciervo

[FarehamSaintJames]

14 hours ago, Football Special said:

I'd never encourage betting, but if you have a few spare pounds I'd recommend putting them on a Brentford win, odds seem generous at the moment (we're the only two teams still without an away win)

I’ve been betting against Southampton for the last few years when they’ve been in the Premier League.

It’s easy money to make if you watch them weekly. 😂

Feeling optimistic and thinking a 2-0 defeat here, Wissa brace. But Onuachu would’ve only slipped on his arse once and Bella-Kotchap will make a rare appearance so they fanboys will consider this a great day all round. 🤣

[saintant]

2 hours ago, coalman said:

I'm pretty sure what we're doing is the form of data driven my lecturers always ranted about. Where we only follow loose correlation without testing causality. That's how you wind up with the fittest man in Europe who has the best stats or a play style that optimises for giving your opponents clear cut chances. I doubt Rasmus even uses confidence intervals.

Brentford and Brighton on the other hand appear to actually practice data science.

How long before football clubs are managed by AI? I think ours already is because any intelligence is almost certainly artificial.

[Doctoroncall]

Hoping for a nil nil thriller and IJ’s first point. 

[Challenger]

Another build up to another let down, really done with the PL with it's shitty VAR and warped officials.

Better off out of it and just have some enjoyable, entertaining football to watch.

[saintant]

8 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Another build up to another let down, really done with the PL with it's shitty VAR and warped officials.

Better off out of it and just have some enjoyable, entertaining football to watch.

I agree with your comments about VAR. The decisions that go against us always seem more impactful because we score so few goals so any perceived VAR mistakes will always cost us points - it mightn't seem so harsh if we were banging in goals meaning we could sometimes absorb the odd VAR cock-up.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

Brentford are currently a decent mid-table side and it's going to take a few weeks for Juric to turn this around. But hopefully, with a near full week on the the training ground he's had a good opportunity to get into their heads a bit to start the 'process' to rid them of their 18-month possession-at-all-costs brainwashing.

I'm going for a hard-earned point. Support needs to step it up too.

Edited 31 December, 2024 by TheAlehouseBrawlers
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[OldNick]

One thing for certain is that it wasnt Rasmus who unearthed Frank

[die Mannyschaft]

Just going to try to enjoy games now. Unless we win all games v 7 above us it's near impossible to get above teams as they will be kn 22-28 points meaning Saints have to draw all games v top 10 or win . The tactics are at least more positive and on front foot but too many subs and never having best first 11 for 90 mins means we struggle to defend and attack. Saints 1-1 Brentford. And get the large banner out in Northam if we look dodgy!! Or put big arrow with shoot here by goal.

[die Mannyschaft]

Saints 1/25 for relegation

Saints 14/1 to stay up, worth a £10 ??

[Harry_SFC]

Brentford the only side with an away record as bad as ours. Don't think that'll stop them beating us. They do have injury problems at the back but their front 3 will have too much for us. 2-1 loss.

Ramsdale, KWP, Bednarek, THB, Wood, Manning, Les, Downes, Dibling, Archer, Onuachu.

Edited 31 December, 2024 by Harry_SFC

[for_heaven's_Saint]

19 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Saints 1/25 for relegation

Saints 14/1 to stay up, worth a £10 ??

No.

 

As for this game, it’ll be another chance for us to see how far off our players are in terms of pace, power and athleticism. 
 

Unfortunately Juric’s system is set up to play 1v1 across the pitch and our players are inferior in nearly every position. 
 

0-1 

[benali-shorts]

2 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Saints 1/25 for relegation

Saints 14/1 to stay up, worth a £10 ??

Even at those odds, I’d put your tenner on our relegation if I were you. And enjoy spending your 40p winnings.

[Chez]

10 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Brentford's first away win? Surely we cannot be that bad as to allow that to happen? 

you are kidding, right?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Chez said:

you are kidding, right?

[Convict Colony]

4 hours ago, OldNick said:

One thing for certain is that it wasnt Rasmus who unearthed Frank

Interesting point so i thought i would see what him and giles co-directors roles were and by the way he did unearth frank.

Thomas Frank was recruited by Brentford Football Club. Specifically, the recommendation to bring him into the club came from Rasmus Ankersen, who was Brentford's co-director of football at the time. Ankersen had been impressed by Frank's work with the Danish youth teams and during his tenure at Brøndby IF. Frank joined Brentford in December 2016 as an assistant head coach before being promoted to head coach in October 2018 following Dean Smith's departure to Aston Villa.

Rasmus Ankersen and Phil Giles worked together as co-directors of football at Brentford, each bringing unique skills to the role:

• Rasmus Ankersen:
  • Recruitment: He was heavily involved in player recruitment, leveraging his experience from his time as chairman of FC Midtjylland. His approach was influenced by his background in talent and performance development, which he explored in his books.
  • Innovation and Strategy: Ankersen was known for driving innovative strategies within the club, including the decision to close down the academy and set up a B team, and was key in implementing a data-driven approach to football management.
  • Negotiations: He had a significant role in player negotiations, often engaging directly with players and their representatives.
  • Relationship with Midtjylland: He facilitated the sharing of ideas and innovations between Brentford and FC Midtjylland, where he was also chairman until stepping down from that role.
• Phil Giles:
  • Analytics: Giles brought his expertise in statistical sports modeling from his role at Smartodds, where he was the head of quantitative sports research. This analytical approach was crucial for Brentford's recruitment strategy.
  • Operational Management: He managed the day-to-day football operations alongside Ankersen, focusing on how statistical data could inform decisions on tactics, player performance, and team management.
  • Crisis Management: During the Covid-19 outbreak, Giles applied his knowledge from his academic background in statistics to help manage the club's response, including negotiating wage deferrals.
  • Philosophy and Vision: Both directors shared the vision of making Brentford a sustainable and innovative club, with Giles focusing on the logical and rational application of data in football management.

Together, they complemented each other's skills, with Ankersen focusing more on the broader strategy, recruitment, and innovation, while Giles concentrated on the analytical and operational side of football management. Their partnership was pivotal in Brentford's rise to the Premier League through a combination of traditional scouting and statistical analysis, often referred to as a 'Moneyball' approach.

 

[saintant]

48 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Interesting point so i thought i would see what him and giles co-directors roles were and by the way he did unearth frank.

Thomas Frank was recruited by Brentford Football Club. Specifically, the recommendation to bring him into the club came from Rasmus Ankersen, who was Brentford's co-director of football at the time. Ankersen had been impressed by Frank's work with the Danish youth teams and during his tenure at Brøndby IF. Frank joined Brentford in December 2016 as an assistant head coach before being promoted to head coach in October 2018 following Dean Smith's departure to Aston Villa.

Rasmus Ankersen and Phil Giles worked together as co-directors of football at Brentford, each bringing unique skills to the role:

• Rasmus Ankersen:
  • Recruitment: He was heavily involved in player recruitment, leveraging his experience from his time as chairman of FC Midtjylland. His approach was influenced by his background in talent and performance development, which he explored in his books.
  • Innovation and Strategy: Ankersen was known for driving innovative strategies within the club, including the decision to close down the academy and set up a B team, and was key in implementing a data-driven approach to football management.
  • Negotiations: He had a significant role in player negotiations, often engaging directly with players and their representatives.
  • Relationship with Midtjylland: He facilitated the sharing of ideas and innovations between Brentford and FC Midtjylland, where he was also chairman until stepping down from that role.
• Phil Giles:
  • Analytics: Giles brought his expertise in statistical sports modeling from his role at Smartodds, where he was the head of quantitative sports research. This analytical approach was crucial for Brentford's recruitment strategy.
  • Operational Management: He managed the day-to-day football operations alongside Ankersen, focusing on how statistical data could inform decisions on tactics, player performance, and team management.
  • Crisis Management: During the Covid-19 outbreak, Giles applied his knowledge from his academic background in statistics to help manage the club's response, including negotiating wage deferrals.
  • Philosophy and Vision: Both directors shared the vision of making Brentford a sustainable and innovative club, with Giles focusing on the logical and rational application of data in football management.

Together, they complemented each other's skills, with Ankersen focusing more on the broader strategy, recruitment, and innovation, while Giles concentrated on the analytical and operational side of football management. Their partnership was pivotal in Brentford's rise to the Premier League through a combination of traditional scouting and statistical analysis, often referred to as a 'Moneyball' approach.

 

The funny thing is, Giles stayed and Brentford continued to advance whereas Ankersen left and has been a disaster for us. Indicates to me who was the real brains at Brentford but maybe Rasmus has just been unlucky 🙂 

[die Mannyschaft]

4 hours ago, for_heaven's_Saint said:

No.

 

As for this game, it’ll be another chance for us to see how far off our players are in terms of pace, power and athleticism. 
 

Unfortunately Juric’s system is set up to play 1v1 across the pitch and our players are inferior in nearly every position. 
 

0-1 

Just gone to Betfred and £10 Saints stay up !!

Yes I'm not sure if Juric is doing zonal marking in one situation and 1v1  in another. Or Saints just get drawn out from thier desired tatctic. Certainly not 1v1 in corners. We don't have pace to play 1v1 , not defending or on wing unless Dibling and Paul have possession but then normally no one to pass to.

[Convict Colony]

43 minutes ago, saintant said:

The funny thing is, Giles stayed and Brentford continued to advance whereas Ankersen left and has been a disaster for us. Indicates to me who was the real brains at Brentford but maybe Rasmus has just been unlucky 🙂 

You should check out a book called Drunkards Walk, prior performance doesnt mean future performance.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 hours ago, coalman said:

I'm pretty sure what we're doing is the form of data driven my lecturers always ranted about. Where we only follow loose correlation without testing causality. That's how you wind up with the fittest man in Europe who has the best stats or a play style that optimises for giving your opponents clear cut chances. I doubt Rasmus even uses confidence intervals.

Brentford and Brighton on the other hand appear to actually practice data science.

For those not versed in the subject, in this context, it's the correlation between the inflation of Ankerson's self confidence and the corresponding drop in confidence of Saints ever getting a win. 🙂

[Football Special]

18 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I don't want them out so much as I want someone who actually knows what he's doing making the football decisions. There are far, far worse owners than SR, who have actually opened their cheque book quite a lot.

Fair comment, I've had the banner printers add a * then small print "if they once again fail to appoint anyone with an ounce of football knowledge to actually have a strategy" 

Brentford could have a tough game v Arsenal in the storm, injuries to all of their key players would certainly help 

Let's hope 2025 picks up for us a bit, been a tough few months. 

[LiberalCommunist]

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Brentford arsenal tomorrow 

hope this game is exhausting and filled with incompetence from the ref. 

We got this Saturday. Mark my words. 2-1. We will make it oh so difficult-but this is the game to get the hope kills level backup to max. 

 

Happy new new year saints. 

[Maggie May]

Our Premier League record against Brentford is abysmal. One win, five defeats. 

Frank is a class manager, Juric is not.

Easy 3-0 Brentford win. 

[LiberalCommunist]

Boo booooooo

come on. We are screwed. We have very little to aim for. But some of us are drunk. Enough of this negativity 

[Dark Munster]

4 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Interesting point so i thought i would see what him and giles co-directors roles were and by the way he did unearth frank.

Thomas Frank was recruited by Brentford Football Club. Specifically, the recommendation to bring him into the club came from Rasmus Ankersen, who was Brentford's co-director of football at the time. Ankersen had been impressed by Frank's work with the Danish youth teams and during his tenure at Brøndby IF. Frank joined Brentford in December 2016 as an assistant head coach before being promoted to head coach in October 2018 following Dean Smith's departure to Aston Villa.

Rasmus Ankersen and Phil Giles worked together as co-directors of football at Brentford, each bringing unique skills to the role:

• Rasmus Ankersen:
  • Recruitment: He was heavily involved in player recruitment, leveraging his experience from his time as chairman of FC Midtjylland. His approach was influenced by his background in talent and performance development, which he explored in his books.
  • Innovation and Strategy: Ankersen was known for driving innovative strategies within the club, including the decision to close down the academy and set up a B team, and was key in implementing a data-driven approach to football management.
  • Negotiations: He had a significant role in player negotiations, often engaging directly with players and their representatives.
  • Relationship with Midtjylland: He facilitated the sharing of ideas and innovations between Brentford and FC Midtjylland, where he was also chairman until stepping down from that role.
• Phil Giles:
  • Analytics: Giles brought his expertise in statistical sports modeling from his role at Smartodds, where he was the head of quantitative sports research. This analytical approach was crucial for Brentford's recruitment strategy.
  • Operational Management: He managed the day-to-day football operations alongside Ankersen, focusing on how statistical data could inform decisions on tactics, player performance, and team management.
  • Crisis Management: During the Covid-19 outbreak, Giles applied his knowledge from his academic background in statistics to help manage the club's response, including negotiating wage deferrals.
  • Philosophy and Vision: Both directors shared the vision of making Brentford a sustainable and innovative club, with Giles focusing on the logical and rational application of data in football management.

Together, they complemented each other's skills, with Ankersen focusing more on the broader strategy, recruitment, and innovation, while Giles concentrated on the analytical and operational side of football management. Their partnership was pivotal in Brentford's rise to the Premier League through a combination of traditional scouting and statistical analysis, often referred to as a 'Moneyball' approach.

 

Lol! Who wrote that crap, Rasmus?

https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/article/thomas-frank-joins-coaching-staff_65139
 

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Thomas Frank joins coaching staff - December 2016

Thomas was chosen by a panel that was led by Dean and also included Richard O’Kelly, Head of Football Operations Rob Rowan and the Club’s Directors of Football – Phil Giles and Rasmus Ankersen – and will work outside his native Denmark for the first time.

 

 

[Dark Munster]

20 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I don't want them out so much as I want someone who actually knows what he's doing making the football decisions. There are far, far worse owners than SR, who have actually opened their cheque book quite a lot.

I one third agree with that: there are far worse owners than the Dragan part of SR, who despite his terrible choice in partners has at least opened up his cheque book.

But the other two thirds of SR are the worst owners possible, absolute charlatans and frauds.

Edited 31 December, 2024 by Dark Munster

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

Our Premier League record against Brentford is abysmal. One win, five defeats. 

Frank is a class manager, Juric is not.

Easy 3-0 Brentford win. 

Juric probably won't be, but let's at least give him a chance and show a bit of support , not sure what people were expecting after the disastrous run we've been on and players we've got 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Juric probably won't be, but let's at least give him a chance and show a bit of support , not sure what people were expecting after the disastrous run we've been on and players we've got 

Agree. He's been in charge for two games. His demeanour isn't one of some pretentious twat. The players seem to have more positive intent about them. Let's give it a few games and see how it's going. 

[Andrew Watson]

If we had Mbuemo and Wissa up front I would fancy our chances,they will be the difference I am aafraid.

[Give it to Ron]

4 hours ago, Maggie May said:

Our Premier League record against Brentford is abysmal. One win, five defeats. 

Frank is a class manager, Juric is not.

Easy 3-0 Brentford win. 

You said 3-0 at Palace a stopped clock is right twice a day I suppose 

[Morse]

What's the point? We're nailed in for relegation anyway thanks to the clueless SR 

[Convict Colony]

13 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Lol! Who wrote that crap, Rasmus?

https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/article/thomas-frank-joins-coaching-staff_65139
 

 

i think you didnt see the word recommended to the club by ankersen, of course the club would have had a choice of possible assistants, interviewed them and make the decision thereafter, remember this was for the assistants role to work between the b team and first team.

You think phil giles has his pulse on danish youth teams coaches and a coach sacked by brondby, if so i have some magic beans to sell you.

[sfc4prem]

10 hours ago, Morse said:

What's the point?

Exactly how I feel, too. So sad that we as fans can be made to feel so apathetic by the poor management of our club.