Stats of SR purchases of "forward" players.

[OttawaSaint]

Thought it might deserve it's own threat. This is fucking woeful.

What a waste of cash!

 

Stewart:

EPL: 131 minutes (4 appearances)

EFL cup: 10 minutes (1 appearance)

Champ + playoffs: 42 minutes (4 appearances)

Total: 183 minutes, 9 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Onuachu:

EPL 24/25: 267 minutes (9 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 40 minutes (2 appearances)

EPL 22/23: 405 minutes (11 appearances)

EFL Cup 22/23: 22 minutes (1 appearance)

Total: 734 minutes, 23 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Sulemana:

EPL 24/25: 103 minutes (8 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 26 minutes (2 appearances)

Champ 23/24: 948 minutes (25 appearances)

FA Cup 23/24: 58 minutes (1 appearance)

EPL 22/23: 967 minutes (18 appearances)

Total: 2102 minutes, 54 appearances, 2G, 5A

 

Brereton Diaz:

EPL 448 minutes (10 appearances)

EFL Cup: 55 minutes (3 appearances)

0G 0A.

 

Archer:

EPL: 923 minutes (18 appearances)

EFL Cup: 230 minutes (3 appearances)

5G 0A.

[AlexLaw76]

Throw in cornet - Jesus!!!

[Daft Kerplunk]

This has been a blind spot post Mitchell and, with his pulling power, Koeman

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

Thought it might deserve it's own threat. This is fucking woeful.

What a waste of cash!

 

Stewart:

EPL: 131 minutes (4 appearances)

EFL cup: 10 minutes (1 appearance)

Champ + playoffs: 42 minutes (4 appearances)

Total: 183 minutes, 9 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Onuachu:

EPL 24/25: 267 minutes (9 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 40 minutes (2 appearances)

EPL 22/23: 405 minutes (11 appearances)

EFL Cup 22/23: 22 minutes (1 appearance)

Total: 734 minutes, 23 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Sulemana:

EPL 24/25: 103 minutes (8 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 26 minutes (2 appearances)

Champ 23/24: 948 minutes (25 appearances)

FA Cup 23/24: 58 minutes (1 appearance)

EPL 22/23: 967 minutes (18 appearances)

Total: 2102 minutes, 54 appearances, 2G, 5A

 

Brereton Diaz:

EPL 448 minutes (10 appearances)

EFL Cup: 55 minutes (3 appearances)

0G 0A.

 

Archer:

EPL: 923 minutes (18 appearances)

EFL Cup: 230 minutes (3 appearances)

5G 0A.

We’d be better off leaving player recruitment to strategic tie up with a leading agent like Wolves do - point them in the direction of what we need position and profile wise and set a package limit. Rasmus has not got a clue. Whoever’s idea it was to sign Ross Stewart should be put in stocks at the Bargate on a Saturday morning and have sharpened 50p pieces aimed at them for being a moron. Or given the Freedom of Sunderland.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[AlexLaw76]

What we need… is a mastermind like Rasmus Ankerson to find us a gem

Edited 29 December, 2024 by AlexLaw76

[HarvSFC]

Stewart - £10m

Onuachu - £18m

Sulemana - £22m

Brereton-Diaz - £7m

Archer - £15m

Total - £72m

Next learning curve for SR, if they can't get their scouting right, is that signing a bunch of players at relatively small fees (for the Premier League) isn't a good plan. £20m doesn't get you much these days, as we're seeing. Bet we could have put all our eggs in one basket and got a good striker for £45m and still had change to spare. But, don't let Ankersen sign the £45m player. Only let the person who found Fernandes.

Our best times were when we signed proven players from Europe - Van Dijk, Alderweireld, Tadic, Pelle, Wanyama, Lovren. Osvaldo had quality, he was just a bit of a nutcase. We then couldn't afford that calibre of player under Gao. But, now we can again, but for some reason we're trying to "breed" good players and turn average ones into good ones because they require lower wages. Well, you can't.

When Forest came up they signed Gibbs-White for £42m and plenty of others. It looked a bit silly at the time, but now look how it's working out for them.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by HarvSFC

[Harry_SFC]

53 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

Thought it might deserve it's own threat. This is fucking woeful.

What a waste of cash!

 

Stewart:

EPL: 131 minutes (4 appearances)

EFL cup: 10 minutes (1 appearance)

Champ + playoffs: 42 minutes (4 appearances)

Total: 183 minutes, 9 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Onuachu:

EPL 24/25: 267 minutes (9 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 40 minutes (2 appearances)

EPL 22/23: 405 minutes (11 appearances)

EFL Cup 22/23: 22 minutes (1 appearance)

Total: 734 minutes, 23 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Sulemana:

EPL 24/25: 103 minutes (8 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 26 minutes (2 appearances)

Champ 23/24: 948 minutes (25 appearances)

FA Cup 23/24: 58 minutes (1 appearance)

EPL 22/23: 967 minutes (18 appearances)

Total: 2102 minutes, 54 appearances, 2G, 5A

 

Brereton Diaz:

EPL 448 minutes (10 appearances)

EFL Cup: 55 minutes (3 appearances)

0G 0A.

 

Archer:

EPL: 923 minutes (18 appearances)

EFL Cup: 230 minutes (3 appearances)

5G 0A.

Absolutely shocking. Also shows that Archer only plays 54 minutes per appearance. Considering he's scored 5 goals, he's been massively under used. 

[CSA96]

[Ex Lion Tamer]

52 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Stewart - £10m

Onuachu - £18m

Sulemana - £22m

Brereton-Diaz - £7m

Archer - £15m

Total - £72m

Next learning curve for SR, if they can't get their scouting right, is that signing a bunch of players at relatively small fees (for the Premier League) isn't a good plan. £20m doesn't get you much these days, as we're seeing. Bet we could have put all our eggs in one basket and got a good striker for £45m and still had change to spare. But, don't let Ankersen sign the £45m player. Only let the person who found Fernandes.

Our best times were when we signed proven players from Europe - Van Dijk, Alderweireld, Tadic, Pelle, Wanyama, Lovren. Osvaldo had quality, he was just a bit of a nutcase. We then couldn't afford that calibre of player under Gao. But, now we can again, but for some reason we're trying to "breed" good players and turn average ones into good ones because they require lower wages. Well, you can't.

When Forest came up they signed Gibbs-White for £42m and plenty of others. It looked a bit silly at the time, but now look how it's working out for them.

We need to pay bigger fees for strikers than other positions. This has been our blind spot for years

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Ex Lion Tamer

[danjosaint]

It didn't even have to be bigger fees, Openda was available for £15m 2 seasons ago 

[Patrick Bateman]

3 hours ago, danjosaint said:

It didn't even have to be bigger fees, Openda was available for £15m 2 seasons ago 

Morgan Rogers too.

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Morgan Rogers too.

Semenyo was £10m to Bournemouth in our 'Orsic/Sullemana' window. Says it all really. It's not about money, it's how it's spent.

I've never been so disheartened by the scouting setup at our club as I am today. The money has been there over the last 2 years, but the people spending it do not understand football or what is required.

[OttawaSaint]

Mind you, in 2024 Jack Grealish has 0G 2A. £100M.

Need to spend well...

[OttawaSaint]

BHA, Bournemouth, Fulham, Forest. Full of absolute bargains. 

We've been so poor at recruiting since the Mane, Van Dijk era.

[OttawaSaint]

Probably drunk too much.

Looking back I see two really crucial monents in our past.

1) Koeman had been lured to Everton but we must have been one of the most attractive clubs in Europe for a top top manager to come in and really elevate us to the top 4 or 5 in the EPL and perhaps snag a cup or two.

Our geniuses brought in Puel.

2) We'd recovered from our Puel/Pelligrio/Hughes eras and then Ralph, God love him had just totally ran out of steam. 

We were still an attractive team, above the relegation places, looking for an up and coming manager to get us top half and competitive in the cups.

We got in Jones, then Selles. Another set of fucking geniuses.

I don't think we are ever coming back to the EPL. We've missed the boat, we'll never be able to splash the cash like Bournemouth, Forest et al. are doing. How incredibly sad. 

Oh what could have been. 

Edited 30 December, 2024 by OttawaSaint

[Dark Munster]

8 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Whenever I see that f*cking picture......

[John B]

2 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

Probably drunk too much.

Looking back I see two really crucial monents in our past.

1) Koeman had been lured to Everton but we must have been one of the most attractive clubs in Europe for a top top manager to come in and really elevate us to the top 4 or 5 in the EPL and perhaps snag a cup or two.

Our geniuses brought in Puel.

2) We'd recovered from our Puel/Pelligrio/Hughes eras and then Ralph, God love him had just totally ran out of steam. 

We were still an attractive team, above the relegation places, looking for an up and coming manager to get us top half and competitive in the cups.

We got in Jones, then Selles. Another set of fucking geniuses.

I don't think we are ever coming back to the EPL. We've missed the boat, we'll never be able to splash the cash like Bournemouth, Forest et al. are doing. How incredibly sad. 

Oh what could have been. 

Strangely when we start next August we will probably be in a better position than when we were in when I started following the Saints in 1960 minus of course Ted Bates and Terry Paine who led us to Div 1 and the start of 30 years exitement of an FA Cup win

Football continues andmy neice and her boyfriend are happy with their visit to Grimsby for a 3 0 and my step granddaughter is happy with Reading and their rise to 6th in League 1 and Pompey lost .

The PL has ruined football for me 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Whenever I see that f*cking picture......

Rasmus is a classic, over-promoted bullshitter. We’ve all come across them at work or when trying to do deals with other firms and they clearly get exposed for how limited they are yet have a way to sucking up to executive boards and smelling of roses. He seemingly stole the credit for Phil Giles work at Brentford as well, which is also classic bullshitter and highly political behaviour. 

I’m glad about the amount of threads about SR and they are now starting to get the scrutiny they deserve at national level. Whilst I’m not a fan of Alex Crook, we need more posts like his from yesterday. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, John B said:

Strangely when we start next August we will probably be in a better position than when we were in when I started following the Saints in 1960 minus of course Ted Bates and Terry Paine who led us to Div 1 and the start of 30 years exitement of an FA Cup win

Football continues andmy neice and her boyfriend are happy with their visit to Grimsby for a 3 0 and my step granddaughter is happy with Reading and their rise to 6th in League 1 and Pompey lost .

The PL has ruined football for me 

Our last two appalling owners and Directors of Football ruined the club, not the PL per se I’d contend. That’s not to say I like the PL by any means but we liked it under Adkins, Poch and Ronald, and before that WGS. Saints just aren’t a club which can ever afford to be complacent , take their foot off the gas and or dwell on philosophies thinking they’re smarter. Lowe did it, Reed did it, Semmens did it and Rasmus and Martin did it. And look where it has led. Saints are a sustainable regular competitive PL club with the basics right and no bullshit.

Edited 30 December, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Semenyo was £10m to Bournemouth in our 'Orsic/Sullemana' window. Says it all really. It's not about money, it's how it's spent.

I've never been so disheartened by the scouting setup at our club as I am today. The money has been there over the last 2 years, but the people spending it do not understand football or what is required.

Recruitment of players has to be driven by athleticism and pace. Core attributes for goalkeepers. The smaller, technical players and sweeper keepers are added when you have some success with your core squad and you can afford it. 

[saintant]

13 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What we need… is a mastermind like Rasmus Ankerson to find us a gem

Are stupid people still wasting their money on his ridiculous books?

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Recruitment of players has to be driven by athleticism and pace. Core attributes for goalkeepers. The smaller, technical players and sweeper keepers are added when you have some success with your core squad and you can afford it. 

I've been banging on about this for ages. These days you get nowhere unless you have some big athletic players who can look after themselves, don't get knocked off the ball and get up and down the pitch - our squad is full of powderpuff players.

[Toussaint]

16 hours ago, CSA96 said:

At what point does he declare “mission accomplished” must be close ?

Edited 30 December, 2024 by Toussaint
Punctuation

[RedArmy]

16 hours ago, CSA96 said:

If it can’t score, 

consider signing it. 

[Saint86]

On 29/12/2024 at 20:55, danjosaint said:

It didn't even have to be bigger fees, Openda was available for £15m 2 seasons ago 

Half that actually. 

[Dman]

On 29/12/2024 at 19:21, OttawaSaint said:

Thought it might deserve it's own threat. This is fucking woeful.

What a waste of cash!

 

Stewart:

EPL: 131 minutes (4 appearances)

EFL cup: 10 minutes (1 appearance)

Champ + playoffs: 42 minutes (4 appearances)

Total: 183 minutes, 9 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

 

I actually think Stewart would have been brilliant (especially last season). He seems to have all the attributes to be a decent number 9. 

I guess you cant odds unexpected injuries, but big, big questions need to be asked of the medical team and who signed the deal off. 

[Turkish]

On 30/12/2024 at 00:53, S-Clarke said:

Semenyo was £10m to Bournemouth in our 'Orsic/Sullemana' window. Says it all really. It's not about money, it's how it's spent.

I've never been so disheartened by the scouting setup at our club as I am today. The money has been there over the last 2 years, but the people spending it do not understand football or what is required.

It's ironic that in the period where we have spent the most money without having to fund signings by sales we've wasted most of it and got relegated twice. 

You're right it is about how it spent and boy have we spent it badly not just now but over the past few years. £100m+ in the last few years on strikers no where near premier league level. In the past we've done the same thing at centre back signing Hoedt, Vestergaard, Gardos, Salisu, ABK, Bendarek and given Captain Jack far more games than he should have got in the search for the new Van Dijk or Fonte, none of them have worked for various reasons when we could have signed a good solid, premier league defender like Evans or Dawson less than £5m, not sexy but would have done a much better job than all of them. 

 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It's ironic that in the period where we have spent the most money without having to fund signings by sales we've wasted most of it and got relegated twice. 

You're right it is about how it spent and boy have we spent it badly not just now but over the past few years. £100m+ in the last few years on strikers no where near premier league level. In the past we've done the same thing at centre back signing Hoedt, Vestergaard, Gardos, Salisu, ABK, Bendarek and given Captain Jack far more games than he should have got in the search for the new Van Dijk or Fonte, none of them have worked for various reasons when we could have signed a good solid, premier league defender like Evans or Dawson less than £5m, not sexy but would have done a much better job than all of them. 

 

Our use of money since around 2017 is beyond belief really. We've had numerous 'DOF's' and chief scouts during that time, but there must be some sort of connecting factor still at the club? The same analysts, the same regional scouts? 

If I was Dragan, I'd sack all of the recruitment and scouting teams and basically start again. Just require simple criteria to scout.  A goalkeeper who can make saves, a striker who can score goals and a midfielder who can tackle. It sounds a bit simplistic to say, but we've spent so much money on keepers who can't make saves and strikers who can't score goals.

It's all gone south since we've pushed that 'The Southampton way' brand, trying to create the illusion that we are special. We're not special, we're absolutely shite.

[OldNick]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

none of them have worked for various reasons when we could have signed a good solid, premier league defender like Evans or Dawson less than £5m, not sexy but would have done a much better job than all of them. 

 

Sadly I suspect our fan base wouldnt accept this as perhaps we feel they are too basic and not having the excitement of an Argentinian or European.

I recall under Chris Nichol we signed Gerry Forest from a L1 club and the fans were up in arms as we were supposedly buying for relegation. He turned out useful but not spectacular but did a job.

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Our use of money since around 2017 is beyond belief really. We've had numerous 'DOF's' and chief scouts during that time, but there must be some sort of connecting factor still at the club? The same analysts, the same regional scouts? 

If I was Dragan, I'd sack all of the recruitment and scouting teams and basically start again. Just require simple criteria to scout.  A goalkeeper who can make saves, a striker who can score goals and a midfielder who can tackle. It sounds a bit simplistic to say, but we've spent so much money on keepers who can't make saves and strikers who can't score goals.

It's all gone south since we've pushed that 'The Southampton way' brand, trying to create the illusion that we are special. We're not special, we're absolutely shite.

We are special but not in the way the club think.

Even if we go on a decent run now we will still most likely go down as one of the worst premier league teams ever, almost certainly the worst Saints team ever as we need a point a game to match our the "performance" of the 2022/23 relegation. 

 

[OldNick]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

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 almost certainly the worst Saints team ever as we need a point a game to match our the "performance" of the 2022/23 relegation. 

 

That is depressing as I feel this side give far more effort than the 22/23 team 

[Saint86]

On 29/12/2024 at 19:21, OttawaSaint said:

Thought it might deserve it's own threat. This is fucking woeful.

What a waste of cash!

 

Stewart:

EPL: 131 minutes (4 appearances)

EFL cup: 10 minutes (1 appearance)

Champ + playoffs: 42 minutes (4 appearances)

Total: 183 minutes, 9 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Onuachu:

EPL 24/25: 267 minutes (9 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 40 minutes (2 appearances)

EPL 22/23: 405 minutes (11 appearances)

EFL Cup 22/23: 22 minutes (1 appearance)

Total: 734 minutes, 23 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Sulemana:

EPL 24/25: 103 minutes (8 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 26 minutes (2 appearances)

Champ 23/24: 948 minutes (25 appearances)

FA Cup 23/24: 58 minutes (1 appearance)

EPL 22/23: 967 minutes (18 appearances)

Total: 2102 minutes, 54 appearances, 2G, 5A

 

Brereton Diaz:

EPL 448 minutes (10 appearances)

EFL Cup: 55 minutes (3 appearances)

0G 0A.

 

Archer:

EPL: 923 minutes (18 appearances)

EFL Cup: 230 minutes (3 appearances)

5G 0A.

I'd hate to accuse you of bias in defence of sports republic, but I do feel it necessary to point out that mara has been ommitted from this list 😂🤣. That's another circa £12M spunked down the drain. 

Edozie as well is another attacking player they signed.