Palace 2-1 Saints - Match Thread

[Jack]

Our hard fought 1-0 defeat against WHU is looking even worse today, as they’ve been pumped 5-0 and we backed it up with a shit defeat 

[BarberSaint]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s not what I saw.

I've re-watched it. It was a powderpuff attempt at a shot.

[StrangelyBrown]

15 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Bloody laughing stock really 

I can only hope we don't take Robbie "the bestest footballer ever" Savage's record away from him and Derby - he's an insufferable prick who seems to have reinvented himself as something other than a dirty talentless shit.

[Gloucester Saint]

Was driving back from Hampshire after visiting family and forgot about this game. Quelle surprise a defeat. Another goal for Tyler at least to add to his value. 

Hey ho. It’s been a good Christmas and if the club aren’t bothered in the slightest about results I don’t see why I should give a toss either. Until they get an SFC Director of Football with a good profile to dislodge Rasmus’s input and a squad who give a shit to give Juric some kind of chance next season I don’t see that changing.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[Saint-Michael]

Once again the thing this game will be talked about the most is the wrong var decision.

[Appy]

Onuachu is absolutely terrible, I’d be shocked if he ever scores a goal for us. 

[East Kent Saint]

West Ham had zero shots on target while Liverpool had 13 on target !

[Forester]

I won’t add more on this game as others have said it all really.  Other than a reminder of what an awful stadium for away fans Selhurst Park is.

We have got ourselves into such a mess by hanging on for weeks to Martin that the club have a hell of a headache for the Jan window.  Commercially it makes no sense to throw silly money and repeat the errors of 2023.  And as some have said, nobody of quality will agree to come.

However I can only imagine the fans reaction if the club fail to sign a striker.  I am really struggling to see who could arrive and be both happy to play in championship next season while simultaneously being good enough to change this season.

 

What a mess

 

[Pamplemousse]

There were a couple of absolute helmets behind me today. Trying to get chants going when other parts of the away end were singing something else already, spent most of the second half either shouting abuse at the linesman or shouting 'Seagulls' at the Palace fans, and later on had a meltdown when chants were being sung that they didn't like and accused them of not supporting the team. Bizarre behaviour, think they had their kids with them as well, embarrassing.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Another poor display. Midfield non existent until Les came on.

Up front it was pathetic.

Can't work out why Aribo started and Les was on the bench. Les was good against W.Ham. Aribo is far too slow. And up front, why does AA get a run out each game? And what's with Sulemana coming on? Still, I've enjoyed the intent in these last couple of matches. Despite our failings, we've given both these teams a close game.

Atmosphere was quite good at the ground today until they scored. And good to see their retard supporter with the fossiled dad is still on form. Sits about four rows from the front and close to the away fans spends half his time giving us the finger. Remember that knob from our cup game. 

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Can't work out why Aribo started and Les was on the bench. Les was good against W.Ham. Aribo is far too slow. And up front, why does AA get a run out each game? And what's with Sulemana coming on? Still, I've enjoyed the intent in these last couple of matches. Despite our failings, we've given both these teams a close game.

Atmosphere was quite good at the ground today until they scored. And good to see their retard supporter with the fossiled dad is still on form. Sits about four rows from the front and close to the away fans spends half his time giving us the finger. Remember that knob from our cup game. 

Aribo playing in CM in the Premier League is asking for trouble. He can't move quickly enough, doesn't have the required awareness, can't tackle and is crap on the half turn. Other than that, great player. 

[Jonnyboy]

So our best manager this season will be the caretaker one with 1 point from 1 match?

[Viking Saint]

3 hours ago, Badger said:

Spot on with each point. 

Agree, and throw in a transparent lack of resilience and mental fortitude amongst the squad. Who is the leader who grabs the team by the scruff of the neck when things aren't going right, dictates the tempo and provides the heartbeat? I don't see anyone...

[Viking Saint]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

Aren't Brentford still without an away win? 

Hold my beer....

[Viking Saint]

1 hour ago, Forester said:

I won’t add more on this game as others have said it all really.  Other than a reminder of what an awful stadium for away fans Selhurst Park is.

We have got ourselves into such a mess by hanging on for weeks to Martin that the club have a hell of a headache for the Jan window.  Commercially it makes no sense to throw silly money and repeat the errors of 2023.  And as some have said, nobody of quality will agree to come.

However I can only imagine the fans reaction if the club fail to sign a striker.  I am really struggling to see who could arrive and be both happy to play in championship next season while simultaneously being good enough to change this season.

 

What a mess

 

I can only see a short term loan with options for both parties at the end of the season. I'd even consider a punt on the likes of Ings and JWP tbh

[S-Clarke]

I've been away for Christmas, so It's reassuring to know that absolutley fuck all has changed with this shower of shite.

I don't know much about the new manager, but no one is going to be able to get Aribo and Armstrong contributing at PL level - no one. They are piss at this level, always will be.

I haven't commented on the manager appointment as I don't really know much about him, but isn't this yet another SR turn around to a new direction? It's like pin the tail on the donkey with these guys.

As has been said before, the rest of the season is just glorified friendlies. There's nothing to play for, might make it less stressful at the end of the season I guess, but it's going to be a bore fest of uncompetitive friendly games.

The question was brought up by Martin a lot, scar tissue etc etc - after this season, they won't have any issue space left for more scar tissue. These sorts of seasons kill players, there will be some in this group who never recover from this season - as a club, this will be like turning around a tanker next year. Losing is a habit and we have well and truly secured that habit. That will almost certainly follow us into the Championship first half.

Cheers SR, another almighty mess you've got us into. I've never been so uninterested in football, they're killing it for me.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by S-Clarke

[Gloucester Saint]

20 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I've been away for Christmas, so It's reassuring to know that absolutley fuck all has changed with this shower of shite.

I don't know much about the new manager, but no one is going to be able to get Aribo and Armstrong contributing at PL level - no one. They are piss at this level, always will be.

I haven't commented on the manager appointment as I don't really know much about him, but isn't this yet another SR turn around to a new direction? It's like pin the tail on the donkey with these guys.

As has been said before, the rest of the season is just glorified friendlies. There's nothing to play for, might make it less stressful at the end of the season I guess, but it's going to be a bore fest of uncompetitive friendly games.

The question was brought up by Martin a lot, scar tissue etc etc - after this season, they won't have any issue space left for more scar tissue. These sorts of seasons kill players, there will be some in this group who never recover from this season - as a club, this will be like turning around a tanker next year. Losing is a habit and we have well and truly secured that habit. That will almost certainly follow us into the Championship first half.

Cheers SR, another almighty mess you've got us into. I've never been so uninterested in football, they're killing it for me.

Million % this. For next season, Dibling, KWP, Ramsdale and Lesley will gone and as for the rest, I’d only want to retain Archer, Jan, Downes, Charles, Taylor, and for the Champ only AA, Bree and Manning. Add in SAA and Ballard. Turn Stewart and Bazanu into glue, that’s all they’re good for. Waste of wages - try and prove Stewart in particular is finished and claim on the insurance. He has enough money to sit on his arse for the rest of his life, the one thing he is truly outstanding at.
Set Juric a budget, have a Ronald style new squad circa 2014 and Rasmus told by Dragan that his fingers will be cut off one by one if interferes in Southampton FC affairs in any way whatsoever. Even choosing the concourse beers.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[LGTL]

Yeah, I agree that this is going to be a fucking impossible habit to break next season. It’s the sort of year that doesn’t just ruin players, but also clubs. Could be our last season in the Prem for many a year. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Yeah, I agree that this is going to be a fucking impossible habit to break next season. It’s the sort of year that doesn’t just ruin players, but also clubs. Could be our last season in the Prem for many a year. 

Could well be a 2005-9 spiral without the play offs bit. 

[bugenhagen]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Million % this. For next season, Dibling, KWP, Ramsdale and Lesley will gone and as for the rest, I’d only want to retain Archer, Jan, Downes, Charles, Taylor, and for the Champ only AA, Bree and Manning. Add in SAA and Ballard. Turn Stewart and Bazanu into glue, that’s all they’re good for. Waste of wages - try and prove Stewart in particular is f8nishec and claim on the insurance.
Set Juric a budget, have a Ronald style new squad circa 2014 and Rasmus told by Dragan that his fingers will be cut off one by one if interferes in Southampton FC affairs in any way whatsoever. Even choosing the concourse beers.

Haha, made me think of this:

Right, let's get this silly fotball club sorted:

[Give it to Ron]

57 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I've been away for Christmas, so It's reassuring to know that absolutley fuck all has changed with this shower of shite.

I don't know much about the new manager, but no one is going to be able to get Aribo and Armstrong contributing at PL level - no one. They are piss at this level, always will be.

I haven't commented on the manager appointment as I don't really know much about him, but isn't this yet another SR turn around to a new direction? It's like pin the tail on the donkey with these guys.

As has been said before, the rest of the season is just glorified friendlies. There's nothing to play for, might make it less stressful at the end of the season I guess, but it's going to be a bore fest of uncompetitive friendly games.

The question was brought up by Martin a lot, scar tissue etc etc - after this season, they won't have any issue space left for more scar tissue. These sorts of seasons kill players, there will be some in this group who never recover from this season - as a club, this will be like turning around a tanker next year. Losing is a habit and we have well and truly secured that habit. That will almost certainly follow us into the Championship first half.

Cheers SR, another almighty mess you've got us into. I've never been so uninterested in football, they're killing it for me.

So you haven’t watched yet say nothing has changed…..it has we are far more competitive, organised and not gifting the opposition 10-15 yards of space.

The manager has had 2 games yet you have written him off !

Yes we are down but doesn’t mean for the next half we cannot compete and battle the fans deserve that.

As I have said several times today it’s all down to piss poor recruitment and leaving Martin in 6 games too many.

Great view today…. Not ….and an absolute homer of a ref.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Give it to Ron

[Kenilworthy]

I am starting to think we are seeing the effect of confirmation bias in the way our games are being officiated both on the pitch and by VAR. Because we are so poor it is assumed that we are not worthy of decisions in our favour.

[Micky]

We are a total embarrassment in this league.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4glvvn4ee9o

[saintant]

8 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

I am starting to think we are seeing the effect of confirmation bias in the way our games are being officiated both on the pitch and by VAR. Because we are so poor it is assumed that we are not worthy of decisions in our favour.

When Mike fucking Dean agrees that a goal against us should be ruled out for a foul you know 100% the referee has made an absolute howler.

[Galway saint]

42 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Could well be a 2005-9 spiral without the play offs bit. 

I think we will be alright. An attack of AA, Archer and BBD whilst woeful in this league will be up there with the best in the Championship and the likes of Bree, Downes, Aribo and Wood will do a good job. If Juric sticks around he’s already shown in a couple of games that he can make us a lot more competitive and whilst we are still shit at least we are now giving sides a game whereas under Martin it was embarrassing stuff.

My optimism will however quickly evaporate if I see Bazanu back between the sticks 

[davefizzy14]

That referee today was an absolute disgrace, we were leading 1-0 and that was a blatant foul on Ramsdale and it should have been ruled out. How VAR has not intervened and overruled the ref is beyond a joke. 

[Viking Saint]

4 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

That referee today was an absolute disgrace, we were leading 1-0 and that was a blatant foul on Ramsdale and it should have been ruled out. How VAR has not intervened and overruled the ref is beyond a joke. 

Entirely legit, apparently....

[davefizzy14]

13 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

Entirely legit, apparently....

Absolutely ridiculous, how is that not a foul 🤷‍♂️

[rallyboy]

That's a foul on the keeper in every other match at any level.

Those few saying Ramsdale should have been stronger, it's difficult when you're being assaulted and you'd give away a penalty and get sent off if you fought back - and no they don't even out, never have, that's an urban myth peddled by inconsistent referees and lazy pundits.

Either way, playing really crap AND getting shafted by VAR every other week is not a good combination.

 

 

[Sarnia Cherie]

5 hours ago, Badger said:

2008 or 9 might be a good starting point. 

Even during administration I still had a glimmer of hope but not at the moment. 

[Roger]

About time we played that embarrassing give me a green light song. 

[warsash saint]

I am quiet a mild mannered human being - however i have never shouted the word c*nt as much in my 55 years as i have in the last 4 months at the pathetic excuses of officials in the Premier League!! 

I honestly cannot wait for the Championship next August

Edited 30 December, 2024 by warsash saint

[Appy]

21 minutes ago, Roger said:

About time we played that embarrassing give me a green light song. 

What?

[Roger]

7 minutes ago, Appy said:

What?

They kept playing it when got promoted the night of play off final

[Appy]

1 minute ago, Roger said:

They kept playing it when got promoted the night of play off final

I think that’s the least of our worries, playing a song on one of the greatest nights of our recent history. 

[macca155]

Palace were better than Saints, and comfortably shut down the game once they went ahead.

Ridiculous decision by the ref and VAR, but I've a horrible feeling that even without that, Palace would have scored another winner. It just seemed inevitable.

Last three games have been better. More organised and definitely in the game. Saints even managed to threaten the goal occasionally.

The squad has no depth whatsoever. No Downes and Ugochikwa benched (why???), destroyed our midfield. No way should that be the case.

No Sugawara, no service to Onuachu. KWP threatened for a while but Palace easily swamped him with no other distractions.

It's desperate and I feel for Juric, he has nothing to work with. Priority now is being hard to beat, thin out the squad, and aim for 20 points. An admittedly laughable ambition right now, but at the very least lets avoid any more stigma or unwanted records.

If we fall below Pompey's 19 we'll never hear the bloody end of it.

That's the equivalent of 4 wins and a few draws from 19 games.

Pathetic as it is, I would almost be moderately pleased with that.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Galway saint said:

I think we will be alright. An attack of AA, Archer and BBD whilst woeful in this league will be up there with the best in the Championship and the likes of Bree, Downes, Aribo and Wood will do a good job. If Juric sticks around he’s already shown in a couple of games that he can make us a lot more competitive and whilst we are still shit at least we are now giving sides a game whereas under Martin it was embarrassing stuff.

My optimism will however quickly evaporate if I see Bazanu back between the sticks 

You are probably right on most of that and definitely on Bazanu. Not seen a worse goalkeeper above Southern Premier/Evostik levels for any club, perhaps with the exception of the Aussie keeper for Norwich who played one game, their 1-7 home defeat to Colchester. Joint worst then.
Makes Blayney look like Gordon Banks. A 37 year old Chris Woods with a broken leg was more convincing in goal for Saints than Gavin. With any luck, the skates will get a couple of injuries and need an emergency loan….

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[notnowcato]

Predictable. When we went 1 up, how many thought we’d go on and win the game? 
We’re so short of a squad capable of competing in this division it’s painful and a true indicator of the increasing gap between Championship and Premier League. 
 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, notnowcato said:

Predictable. When we went 1 up, how many thought we’d go on and win the game? 
We’re so short of a squad capable of competing in this division it’s painful and a true indicator of the increasing gap between Championship and Premier League. 
 

Ipswich and Leicester are competing. Not brilliantly, but they are competing and Ipswich went up twice. Saints recruitment has been shocking post-Koeman. Ings, Ralph, JWP and KWP covered over Reed, Shields and Rasmus’s stench but the Febreeze bottle is empty.

[notnowcato]

6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Ipswich and Leicester are competing. Not brilliantly, but they are competing and Ipswich went up twice. Saints recruitment has been shocking post-Koeman. Ings, Ralph, JWP and KWP covered over Reed, Shields and Rasmus’s stench but the Febreeze bottle is empty.

You wouldn’t bet against the 3 teams to be relegated this season are the ones that were promoted last season. 
 

Ipswich clearly have an exceptional manager. Leicester’s appointment of RVN was a poor decision, that will end in tears. 

[SNSUN]

It's hard to know how to reset this squad. It looks like it'll be a cycle of get relegated - sell any talent we have - keep the dregs - dregs are good enough in the Championship - get promoted - sign one or two half decent players and a bunch of Championship players - get relegated - sell the talent etc etc etc

With the squad as it will be after relegation sans probably Dibling, Ramsdale, THB, Fernandes and KWP we will probably still boss the Championship next year with AA, BBD and Archer firing up up the league. (I'm not saying it WILL happen that we will get promoted again but it's likely bearing in mind the players we'll have at least on paper). Then we find ourselves back in the Prem again and this whole sordid affair starts again. 

Short of doing a Forest, getting promoted and signing effectively an entire new team (and to hell with FFP), or doing a Bournemoutb or Fulham and actually signing ALL good players that make a goof impact,  I genuinely think we'll be the new boingboing Baggies unless something changes radically.

Too good for the Championship, too crap for the Prem! 

(OK of course we could go down and plummet but let's not think about that eh?)

[Morse]

The whole structure of the club is bad. The lack of a DoF, the non existant scouting network, the missing set piece coaches etc etc. Sport Republic are farcical and making this club a laughing stock. 

Dragan Solak needs to grew a pair and ditch Rasmus Ankerson and his side kick. 

[Hawkswood]

7 hours ago, Morse said:

Championship level squad

No director of football 

No set piece coach

No scouting system

And SR making the calls. 

It's remarkable we're doing as well as we are. 

Sorry but i have to ask, are points 2 3 and 4 genuinely true  or was that just a  pissed off rant for which I don't blame you.

[Whitey Grandad]

11 hours ago, BarberSaint said:

I've re-watched it. It was a powderpuff attempt at a shot.

It was a pass.

[Give it to Ron]

6 hours ago, Morse said:

The whole structure of the club is bad. The lack of a DoF, the non existant scouting network, the missing set piece coaches etc etc. Sport Republic are farcical and making this club a laughing stock. 

Dragan Solak needs to grew a pair and ditch Rasmus Ankerson and his side kick. 

But at least the top club in their eyes are doing well. 

[Convict Colony]

Yeah agree i think Rasmus got lucky with his other roles as he was never 100% responsible, now in SR he is responsible and we have been utter shit.

The idea to remove scouts from clubs and have 1 consolidated scouting system for all clubs is ok in principal if they actually recruit well and dont have 3 different clubs playing in 3 unique types of leagues.

Rasmus and head of scouting needs a 1-1 with Dragan.

At this moment in time our football expert has managed to make 2 clubs worse and 1 better whilst spending a lot of money.

 

[Badger]

9 hours ago, Roger said:

About time we played that embarrassing give me a green light song. 

No idea what that is.

But we could just adapt a current song to “ lowest points total, you’ll never sing that “ 

[Badger]

8 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Sorry but i have to ask, are points 2 3 and 4 genuinely true  or was that just a  pissed off rant for which I don't blame you.

Perhaps the words competent or effective should have been added, but I think most would agree with the sentiment of the post. 

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Sorry but i have to ask, are points 2 3 and 4 genuinely true  or was that just a  pissed off rant for which I don't blame you.

Whether it is or not, none of those roles or personnel in them are effective in the slightest. May as well have them vacant if people recruited aren’t going to show any heart or backbone.

[Gloucester Saint]

9 hours ago, notnowcato said:

You wouldn’t bet against the 3 teams to be relegated this season are the ones that were promoted last season. 
 

Ipswich clearly have an exceptional manager. Leicester’s appointment of RVN was a poor decision, that will end in tears. 

Agree on RVN, former strikers who become managers often struggle to set up and organise (also see situation in South Devon currently). McKenna is excellent because their League 1 squad that got double promotions wasn’t at the same level ours or Norwich’s was. A higher proportion of their signings are working out from this summer which combined with a superior manager gives them a chance. But Ipswich had the hardest task this season and Wolves are picking up. Everton also taken over.