Palace 2-1 Saints - Match Thread

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Well he's certainly improved the number of goals we concede. 3 in 2 games is fortress like compared with 10 in 2 home games under Russell.

You're comparing games against Chelsea and Spurs with Palace and West Ham. Seems fair.

Palace had 19 shots today, 10 on target and 6 blocked.

[Saint_Jonny]

Just can't wait to get this season over with. The premier league is just utter shit to be in. VAR, players constantly playing for fouls and Saints being no where good enough to compete. Absolute shit show. 

[Vancouver Saint]

Honestly we are are pretty crap aren't we. Am I the only one underwhelmed by Ramsdale? He's a spectacular shot-stopper but a terrible 'preventative' goalkeeper...hardly dominates his six-yard box let alone the penalty box...doesn't come out enough to claim high balls for me. Cost us these last two games.

No real complaints about the result - Palace were the better team. But no surprises that ultimately a non-VAR call has yet again gone against us...it was 50:50 IMO - Ramsdale needed to be stronger (or protected by an Onuachu at the near post) ...we all just know if that was us scoring that goal it would have been disallowed.

We just don't create enough chances. Second half proving again, we are not fit enough and don't have enough skill in attack. How long will it take IJ to realise AA is not up to it...especially when he's allowed to be even more invisible on the wing. Onuachu should pair with Archer...the former was taken off when the latter came on. 

Manning coming on as our saviour to find a last minute goal - what a joke.

So we need a striker in January who will stay with us once we're relegated. Ironically, our very average PL journeymen strikers are probably good enough for the Championship. We need better central defenders to meet minimum PL requirements. Bednarak has to be told not to haul people back. 

So it's plan for the Championship for sure now.

 

[OneMrsWallace]

RM really has left us with plenty of scar tissue. In any normal season I'd be hoping for January transfers to improve us but there seems little point chucking good money at an impossible situation. A win would be nice though. 

[Convict Colony]

I would like to hear Ivan's thinking on today

 

[Challenger]

15 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

So much wrong with the club. It needs a relegation to sort it out probably. Let’s not try to suggest it was RM or the players only…it’s multi-faceted.

1. Russball no good for our squad and probably useless in the EPL full-stop. This was an easy one to sort out, but it happened too late.

2. Too many players of sub-standard quality and/or fitness.

3. Persistence in playing 5 at the back when we don’t have the skill and/fitness in midfield or in attack to allow it.

4. Losing mentality is now so embedded in the squads mindset, it’s difficult for any Manager to eradicate it.

5. Squad is big but bloated with mediocrity at best.

Honestly can’t see where or how we’re going to pick up points unless there’s a groundbreaking January transfer window (hint: there won’t be). Think we’re destined to break Derby’s record sadly.

Can't argue with this, pity SR don't have the footballing nous to realise it themselves.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That's weird because I remember managers like Poch and Ralph coming in and making an immediate improvement with literally their first game. Adkins took a couple of weeks, Hughes came in mid-March and did enough to just about keep us up with about 10 games left.

So why does the man being appointed with more than half the season left have such a difficult task? Seems to me he's got the team doing his thing almost immediately, we're going direct, he's got TP starting, much less passing around the back. Which 'habits' have we got that are so impossible to shake?

You remember incorrectly. Ralph’s first gave was a poor defeat away at Cardiff who eventually went down. Pochs first game was a 0-0 home draw with Everton a few days after we’d  drawn away at Chelsea under Adkins so hardly an improvement with either from “literally their first game”. I know how you love to compare squads so Pochs team that day contained Luke Shaw, Schniderlin, Lamert, Steve Davis, Rodriguez. Clyne and Jack Cork, who would all walk into this team. 

[Badger]

19 minutes ago, madge said:

Need to turn on this bellend of an owner who’s allowing himself to get screwed over by sports republic.. disaster after disaster, mistake after mistake.. sell up and feck off SR

Remainder of the season should be a carnival among supporters, just to get rid of Rasmus and the dickheads.

So far most have felt that Dragan Solak has been misled by some the ‘experts’ around him. Long overdue realising the how inept they are and getting rid.

Pitchforks at the ready ..  

[Badger]

10 minutes ago, Morse said:

Championship level squad

No director of football 

No set piece coach

No scouting system

And SR making the calls. 

It's remarkable we're doing as well as we are. 

Spot on with each point. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

22 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

I don't blame any of our jewels for wanting out this January. 

Nor me. The likes of Dibling and Co need to be learning their trade under a decent manager, not the rubbish that SR keep dredging up from God knows where. They are totally clueless on all aspects of how to run a successful football club. I can't remember when I ever felt so despondent about our club's future.

[Badger]

Just now, Sarnia Cherie said:

Nor me. The likes of Dibling and Co need to be learning their trade under a decent manager, not the rubbish that SR keep dredging up from God knows where. They are totally clueless on all aspects of how to run a successful football club. I can't remember when I ever felt so despondent about our club's future.

2008 or 9 might be a good starting point. 

[SambaMaverick]

Have we come down from the high of THB's sham England debut yet or are we all still convinced we'll turn a big profit on him? 

He is bang average, if he didn't come from City he'd have cost about £5m

[Jimmy_D]

Finding it difficult to even be interested or hope that we might get the rub of the green this season when we’ve so consistently been ****ed over by such **** officiating decisions.

We’re not a good team this season, but at the very least we’re good enough to be in the relegation battle rather than cut adrift.

[Convict Colony]

Just seen we have brentford next, great, a organised team and club v our shit show.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

You remember incorrectly. Ralph’s first gave was a poor defeat away at Cardiff who eventually went down. Pochs first game was a 0-0 home draw with Everton a few days after we’d  drawn away at Chelsea under Adkins so hardly an improvement with either from “literally their first game”. I know how you love to compare squads so Pochs team that day contained Luke Shaw, Schniderlin, Lamert, Steve Davis, Rodriguez. Clyne and Jack Cork, who would all walk into this team. 

If you want to split hairs then fine, Ralph lost to Cardiff then immediately beat Arsenal and Huddersfield. Everyone who watched that Everton game could see what Poch was trying to implement and that he was taking us to the next level.

You misunderstand my point. I'm not expecting Juric to match either of their results, it's about the principle. A decent manager should start to see improvement relative to his predecessor within the first 3-4 games. People are saying if Juric can't muster 6 points in 21 games, it's because we didn't sack Martin soon enough, which is just weird nonsense.

[Pamplemousse]

Another poor display. Midfield non existent until Les came on.

Up front it was pathetic. How have we managed to sign about a million strikers and they're all shit?

We may as well go with Rusk's tactics of playing for a 0-0 every game.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Pamplemousse

[Badger]

10 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Just seen we have brentford next, great, a organised team and club v our shit show.

Brentford are shining example of where a club can be if carefully fed and watered by Rasmus’ almighty hand. 
 

(Brentford- nothing to do with anyone else it was all Rasmus who did it). 

[bangkoksaint]

 

Kamaldeen Sulemana - £22M - £40K/week - 2 goals

Ross Stewart - £8M - £20K/week - no goals

Paul Onuachu - £18M - £30K/week - no goals

So that’s nearly £50M on those three who cost us circa £100K a week in salaries. But TBF we have had a couple of ‘dead rubber’ goals from Sule.

[OneMrsWallace]

21 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If you want to split hairs then fine, Ralph lost to Cardiff then immediately beat Arsenal and Huddersfield. Everyone who watched that Everton game could see what Poch was trying to implement and that he was taking us to the next level.

You misunderstand my point. I'm not expecting Juric to match either of their results, it's about the principle. A decent manager should start to see improvement relative to his predecessor within the first 3-4 games. People are saying if Juric can't muster 6 points in 21 games, it's because we didn't sack Martin soon enough, which is just weird nonsense.

We were better against WH, they were fortunate to get the win; but what this really comes down to is your expectations. I think most fans are just hoping for more fight and a few wins. Even that will take time given the shit show RM ran. Maybe Juric won't improve us but that's the least of our problems. I've no idea which principle you're referring to as every situation is different.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by OneMrsWallace

[Nieldy]

We not even getting the new manager bounce.Wolves and Leicester managed it for a couple of games

[St. Ciervo]

We are getting a bounce, we're just a lead ball. We went from losing 0-5 to 1-2. #Results

Edited 29 December, 2024 by St. Ciervo

[Football Special]

27 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Just seen we have brentford next, great, a organised team and club v our shit show.

Aren't Brentford still without an away win? 

[benjii]

9 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

 

 

Kamaldeen Sulemana - £22M - £40K/week - 2 goals

Ross Stewart - £8M - £20K/week - no goals

Paul Onuachu - £18M - £30K/week - no goals

So that’s nearly £50M on those three who cost us circa £100K a week in salaries. But TBF we have had a couple of ‘dead rubber’ goals from Sule.

Don't forget BBD!!

[DrSuess1979]

39 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

Just can't wait to get this season over with. The premier league is just utter shit to be in. VAR, players constantly playing for fouls and Saints being no where good enough to compete. Absolute shit show. 

This 

[benjii]

6 minutes ago, Nieldy said:

We not even getting the new manager bounce.Wolves and Leicester managed it for a couple of games

Lestah have lost 5 out of 7 since sacking Cooper. Which I'm pleased about because I can't stand that club.

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Aren't Brentford still without an away win? 

Don't you just know what happens next game.

[david in sweden]

3 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Aren't Brentford still without an away win? 

....at least until the weekend...(sad)

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

Lestah have lost 5 out of 7 since sacking Cooper. Which I'm pleased about because I can't stand that club.

14 conceded in their last 5. I do wonder how long RVN will last.

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, madge said:

Need to turn on this bellend of an owner who’s allowing himself to get screwed over by sports republic.. disaster after disaster, mistake after mistake.. sell up and feck off SR

They have very little incentive to sell the club at thr moment as it would be at a huge loss. We are heading towards relegation and the club value will nose dive until we get promoted again. 

[GrumpyYorkshireSaint]

20 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

 

 

Kamaldeen Sulemana - £22M - £40K/week - 2 goals

Ross Stewart - £8M - £20K/week - no goals

Paul Onuachu - £18M - £30K/week - no goals

So that’s nearly £50M on those three who cost us circa £100K a week in salaries. But TBF we have had a couple of ‘dead rubber’ goals from Sule.

Can we also get a total minutes played stat for each before these last 2 matches though, Has Ross Stewart even totalled 90 minutes for us since signing?

People saying 2 years without a goal for Onuachu but again he's not had the continued game time and even spent the last season in another league, hardly likely to score for us from there......although we could probably find a way to concede

[cloggy saint]

Try to enjoy the rest of the season, it's going to be a very very long time before we're back in the top flight.

[BotleySaint]

13 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

14 conceded in their last 5. I do wonder how long RVN will last.

It clearly hasn't worked out for them under an amateur manager. Probably would have done better keeping Steve Cooper.

[Pamplemousse]

2 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Try to enjoy the rest of the season, it's going to be a very very long time before we're back in the top flight.

The Championship is shit, as we found out last season. We could sell the best players, not sign anyone and we would have a better squad than comfortably most of the league.

[Kingsland Codger]

18 minutes ago, benjii said:

Don't forget BBD!!

I know he’s a loanee but should Maxwell Cornet be added to that sorry list?

[bangkoksaint]

1 minute ago, cloggy saint said:

Try to enjoy the rest of the season, it's going to be a very very long time before we're back in the top flight.

TBF I just want to enjoy watching us play - whatever league we’re in. For the likes of us, Leicester, Ipswich or whoever, we’ll never be competitive in the PL. I felt better about Saturdays last season playing in a so called inferior league than I do this season in what is supposedly the promised land of the Prem. I don’t buy into the idea either that we’ll just lose our best players because even if we stayed up we’d be asset stripped by the bigger clubs of any decent players - it’s happened for decades. Add in VAR and FFP and nothing that I’m watching this year is enjoyable. I decided to save my time and money today because it would have been a 400 mile round trip probably costing £150 or more. 

[OttawaSaint]

24 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Aren't Brentford still without an away win? 

Here come Saints, a team that will cure your ills!

[Midfield_General]

31 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

 

 

Kamaldeen Sulemana - £22M - £40K/week - 2 goals

Ross Stewart - £8M - £20K/week - no goals

Paul Onuachu - £18M - £30K/week - no goals

So that’s nearly £50M on those three who cost us circa £100K a week in salaries. But TBF we have had a couple of ‘dead rubber’ goals from Sule.

The sad fact is that in today’s game paying £20k, £30k or £40k a week and paying £18m - £22m transfer fees generally buys you fuck all at PL level. It’s mental but it’s true.

It looks a lot on paper but we’ve paid championship money to buy championship standard players. 

Add in being managed by an average championship manager until 2 weeks ago and it’s not hard to see why we are where we are. 

[cloggy saint]

4 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

The Championship is shit, as we found out last season. We could sell the best players, not sign anyone and we would have a better squad than comfortably most of the league.

I doubt that. The Championship and even league 1 are littered with bigger clubs than us who probably thought the same thing.

[OttawaSaint]

24 minutes ago, benjii said:

Don't forget BBD!!

Utter folly! A fucking clogger who's never ever won an EPL game.

Rasmus: I have a cunning plan!

[pimpin4rizeal]

Don’t wanna make excuses but I really think the ref made a huge difference today.. majority of the game allowed palace to dominate us physically but any time we won the ball it’s a foul .. onuachu going off ended any chance we had,, in a scrappy niggly game we need players who can hold the ball .. and archer was invisible 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Didn’t watch the game, didn’t keep up to date throughout.

Predicted 2-1 to Palace, another £30 won. The easiest money I’ve ever made but even this is getting tedious now.

[M271]

38 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Aren't Brentford still without an away win? 

They don’t play until Wednesday evening so will be less recovery time and less preparation focusing on our game, not that there is much prep needed. Whereas IJ now has nearly a week of prep and training so hopefully we can start to see improvement, probably not😩

Edited 29 December, 2024 by M271

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

The sad fact is that in today’s game paying £20k, £30k or £40k a week and paying £18m - £22m transfer fees generally buys you fuck all at PL level. It’s mental but it’s true.

It looks a lot on paper but we’ve paid championship money to buy championship standard players. 

Add in being managed by an average championship manager until 2 weeks ago and it’s not hard to see why we are where we are. 

Whilst I would agree on that, the bargains are still out there. Brighton and Palace, to a degree are able to still to pick up players for these fees from lesser leagues. You need to have a shit hot recruitment team in place, something that we have been lacking for years. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Didn’t watch the game, didn’t keep up to date throughout.

Predicted 2-1 to Palace, another £30 won. The easiest money I’ve ever made but even this is getting tedious now.

Well done you.

[Badger]

12 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

TBF I just want to enjoy watching us play - whatever league we’re in. For the likes of us, Leicester, Ipswich or whoever, we’ll never be competitive in the PL. 
 

We won’t be competitive with the current management set up, but no reason with the recruitment team right we can’t compete in the EPL. Other clubs show it can be done. 

[Football Special]

Bloody laughing stock really 

[OttawaSaint]

48 minutes ago, GrumpyYorkshireSaint said:

Can we also get a total minutes played stat for each before these last 2 matches though, Has Ross Stewart even totalled 90 minutes for us since signing?

People saying 2 years without a goal for Onuachu but again he's not had the continued game time and even spent the last season in another league, hardly likely to score for us from there......although we could probably find a way to concede

Note: This is total stats so not quite what GY Saint asked for. 

Stewart:

EPL: 131 minutes (4 appearances)

EFL cup: 10 minutes (1 appearance)

Champ + playoffs: 42 minutes (4 appearances)

Total: 183 minutes, 9 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Onuachu:

EPL 24/25: 267 minutes (9 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 40 minutes (2 appearances)

EPL 22/23: 405 minutes (11 appearances)

EFL Cup 22/23: 22 minutes (1 appearance)

Total: 734 minutes, 23 appearances, 0G, 0A.

 

Sulemana:

EPL 24/25: 103 minutes (8 appearances)

EFL Cup 24/25: 26 minutes (2 appearances)

Champ 23/24: 948 minutes (25 appearances)

FA Cup 23/24: 58 minutes (1 appearance)

EPL 22/23: 967 minutes (18 appearances)

Total: 2102 minutes, 54 appearances, 2G, 5A

 

Pathetic! 

Edited 29 December, 2024 by OttawaSaint

[OttawaSaint]

So for the 3 of them: £22M + £20M + £8M and all those wages for. 2G and 5A.

86 appearances, 3019 minutes (33.5 90 minute games).

Woeful!

 

That's not even considering BBD either.

EPL 448 minutes (10 appearances)

EFL Cup: 55 minutes (3 appearances)

0G 0A.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by OttawaSaint

[danjosaint]

There are players out there but as above need top scouting something we've not had for years, only have to look at Morgan Rodgers, Adam Wharton, the 2 cbs at Forest, Ndiaye at Everton all around the £15m mark 

[Dragon_man]

42 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

The Championship is shit, as we found out last season. We could sell the best players, not sign anyone and we would have a better squad than comfortably most of the league.

We didn't exactly tear it up last season. 4th, never really threatened the automatics and were arguably second best in the final.

With the expected departures, I don't see an easy run next season. We are so easily the next Stoke, WBA, Norwich et al.