Palace 2-1 Saints - Match Thread

[Saint NL]

Other than a nice bit of skill by Fernandes, we offered nothing in that second half.

Completely pointless when you're a goal behind, it's like we're playing for 0-0 and no one realised were 2-1 down 

[sfc4prem]

Fair result. Hey, there's always a game around the corner - maybe we'll score more than 1 in the next game? We can but hope.

[Sunglasses Ron]

What a fucking dismal season.

19 games played > 6 (SIX) points!

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

I wish. I hope you are right MLG.

I am right.

6 points from 19 games gives us a points per game that would see us on 12 points from 38 games if it continued at the same rate. Of course this is only using points per game, so unlikely to be how it pans out.

[Chez]

Dire. 

[Baz Fl]

2 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

Let's face it. We were fucking rubbish today. Depressing.

Today? from day one of our return you mean! 

[OttawaSaint]

How many fucking times have we seen a team with nothing to lose powering forward and scramble in a late late undeserved equalizer?

Then you have us, not a care in the world, not even threatening the Palace penalty area let alone goal.

Losing mentality, bunch of fucking thick, unfit, losers!

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Saints attack is no threat at all.

The best way to defend against us is to concede a corner. No chance of that ever bringing a goal.

[Micky]

Just now, obelisk said:

These players have a losing mentality. There's just no expectation that they can win a game. St Mary's probably needs an exorcism.

Yep - and that mentality runs deep.  Anybody thinking that we will just spend another season in the Championship and then come straight back up could well be in for a surprise. 6 points after this amount of games is embarrassingly bad and only proves that we should not be in this league with these players anyway.   We are in the Championship for the long haul next year methinks.

[OttawaSaint]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

I am right.

6 points from 19 games gives us a points per game that would see us on 12 points from 38 games if it continued at the same rate. Of course this is only using points per game, so unlikely to be how it pans out.

Hooray!

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We're 19 games in with 6 points. We need 6 points from our remaining 19 games to get above Derby. So the second half of the season would have to be worse to not break that record. So how would finishing below Derby prove that we should have made the switch sooner?

Nothing to do with Derby but if we wanted to have more points then we should have made the change earlier.

[SNSUN]

I don't blame any of our jewels for wanting out this January. 

[OttawaSaint]

1 minute ago, Baz Fl said:

Today? from day one of our return you mean! 

Yes, but I was hoping, dreaming, it would be different today.

[Baird of the land]

Can someone else please take set pieces because fernandes is garbage at them.

Really struggled today to generate chances, especially after onachu went off.

really hope against Brentford we get chance to see onachu and archer together.

no clue as to why bree is playing. He’s an utter snail which is opposite of what’s needed in that position.

no way their first goal should have stood and fernandes can’t be chesting it down to them on edge of the box for 2nd.

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, OttawaSaint said:

Hooray!

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

So how would finishing below Derby prove that we should have made the switch sooner?

Arguably, the longer Martin stayed in post this season the more ingrained our bad habits became, ergo the longer it'll now take to get the players used to playing a different / better way...? 

[madge]

Need to turn on this bellend of an owner who’s allowing himself to get screwed over by sports republic.. disaster after disaster, mistake after mistake.. sell up and feck off SR

[obelisk]

Well at least we ended the goalless drought.

[Sheaf Saint]

Well we were poor, and Palace were by far the better team and no doubt deserved the win on the balance of play. But they only actually scored one legitimate goal, so a draw would have been fair.

That VAR decision for their equaliser was a fucking sick joke, probably the result of the PMGOL having some kind of internal bet between themselves to see who can get away with the most outrageous call possible.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, SNSUN said:

I don't blame any of our jewels for wanting out this January. 

Why ? They are as culpable as Russ.

[washsaint]

Different manager, same shite.  This is on SR with their terrible recruitment and waiting so long when it was clear Martin would not work out in the Prem.

I think Saints will struggle in the Championship next season.  Ramsdale, Fernandes and Dibling likely won;t be here next season and we'll be left with crap like Archer, Armstrong, Bree, Manning, Bednarek, Wood, BBD.

I think everyone can agree Tall Paul is not our answer up front.  While we lacked a focal point when he went off he was pretty dreadful when he was on.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Arguably, the longer Martin stayed in post this season the more ingrained our bad habits became, ergo the longer it'll now take to get the players used to playing a different / better way...? 

That does appear to be the case.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Palace were quicker, stronger, sharper and fitter and basically better.

We have a front line that has little idea how to create a goal, let alone put one in the net. Added to that we started with no midfielders capable of holding them up, and we were punished for it.

The whole squad is having to move from being drilled in a style against their natural footballing instincts into a pressing team. A team without leaders being asked to stand up as individuals.

We stopped the onslaught of Palace chances after we made some changes. But then, a goal ahead, they no longer needed to do as much. They were safe in the knowledge we wouldn;t create much.

We looked well off the pace today, as if a single game under the new manager has been too tiring for them.

Pluses are we did get a goal. Fernandes worked hard, although we really need a better set piece taker. Les is getting a bit more space, and has looked a better with it. Ramsdale made an excellent save.

[Convict Colony]

can some please tell me who the ex palace player was who was commentating on my stream, he is a moron and him and the other one thought we bought tall paul from turkey 2 years ago.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Arguably, the longer Martin stayed in post this season the more ingrained our bad habits became, ergo the longer it'll now take to get the players used to playing a different / better way...? 

No arguement about it, we all knew that the change should have been made after that awful Bournemouth game

[bpsaint]

Exactly halfway through the season now and we are 11 points from safety due to goal difference.

11 FUCKING POINTS.

This has to be the worst season in the clubs history right? Surely we’ve never had a worse points return halfway through a league campaign.

[sfc4prem]

3 minutes ago, madge said:

Need to turn on this bellend of an owner who’s allowing himself to get screwed over by sports republic.. disaster after disaster, mistake after mistake.. sell up and feck off SR

A big portion of fans now realise how poorly run this club is. SR are a bunch of fools; our squad is a mis-matched disarray of players with more weaknesses than attributes.

When you look at our central midfield or striking options, you can see how poorly organised the leadership of our club have been.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by sfc4prem

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

can some please tell me who the ex palace player was who was commentating on my stream, he is a moron and him and the other one thought we bought tall paul from turkey 2 years ago.

Dowie 

[Andy Hill]

Continually starting with AA beggars belief. Why can’t any manager see that ?? 

[Roger]

Just for the sake of balance big paul was horrendous 

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

Well we were poor, and Palace were by far the better team and no doubt deserved the win on the balance of play. But they only actually scored one legitimate goal, so a draw would have been fair.

That VAR decision for their equaliser was a fucking sick joke, probably the result of the PMGOL having some kind of internal bet between themselves to see who can get away with the most outrageous call possible.

Sliding doors; if that effort was chalked off there is no guarantee that the rest of the game would have evolved in the same way. Based on the overall game, a Palace win was the "fair" result.

[Saint86]

Just now, Roger said:

Just for the sake of balance big paul was horrendous 

Could be fitness, or could just be that Palace were too physical and fast for him/us and he was isolated. The switch to more clever attacking players was the right one, but happened too late and we lack the quality required. 

[Wade Garrett]

Just now, Roger said:

Just for the sake of balance big paul was horrendous 

Apart from being a big lump he is a shocking footballer.

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

can some please tell me who the ex palace player was who was commentating on my stream, he is a moron and him and the other one thought we bought tall paul from turkey 2 years ago.

The ex-Saint Ian Dowie ?

Edited 29 December, 2024 by badgerx16

[Lighthouse]

Just now, trousers said:

Arguably, the longer Martin stayed in post this season the more ingrained our bad habits became, ergo the longer it'll now take to get the players used to playing a different / better way...? 

That's weird because I remember managers like Poch and Ralph coming in and making an immediate improvement with literally their first game. Adkins took a couple of weeks, Hughes came in mid-March and did enough to just about keep us up with about 10 games left.

So why does the man being appointed with more than half the season left have such a difficult task? Seems to me he's got the team doing his thing almost immediately, we're going direct, he's got TP starting, much less passing around the back. Which 'habits' have we got that are so impossible to shake?

[Saint Fan CaM]

So much wrong with the club. It needs a relegation to sort it out probably. Let’s not try to suggest it was RM or the players only…it’s multi-faceted.

1. Russball no good for our squad and probably useless in the EPL full-stop. This was an easy one to sort out, but it happened too late.

2. Too many players of sub-standard quality and/or fitness.

3. Persistence in playing 5 at the back when we don’t have the skill and/fitness in midfield or in attack to allow it.

4. Losing mentality is now so embedded in the squads mindset, it’s difficult for any Manager to eradicate it.

5. Squad is big but bloated with mediocrity at best.

Honestly can’t see where or how we’re going to pick up points unless there’s a groundbreaking January transfer window (hint: there won’t be). Think we’re destined to break Derby’s record sadly.

[SNSUN]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Why ? They are as culpable as Russ.

For as shit as we've been at least the likes of Fernandes and KWP are trying. Not that it matters in KWP's case as his contract is up anyway.  However The glut of shiteness starts at the top with SR. We signed BBD and Edwards and neither are getting a look in. For my mind we went out in the summer and signed players for our next Championship campaign, Ramsdale aside.

It is poor from top to bottom. I can only hope something happens in January that can at least save us from being the worst Prem team ever. Whatever that may be. 

[Bewildered]

Depressing, Juric will need to work miracles to make this shower look even vaguely competitive. Only Les looked up to it today.

 

 

 

[Mixedkebab]

These two losses have been even more depressing than the crap under RM as there has been some hope involved. But as Saints are such a complete basket case with so many substandard players at this level, the hope of a bounce which works at most other clubs, was unfounded.

Horrible weak ineffective quad just like 2 seasons ago.

Thanks sport republic, you useless bunch of wankers!

[Saint NL]

Surely we can't persist with 5 at the back and no midfield?

We'd concede a shedload with 7 defenders, might as well try sacrifice some defenders and actually try and score a goal or two 

[Convict Colony]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Dowie 

[Zorba]

We were solidly beaten by a side with far better attacking players. We’re all aware that a majority of our players are Championship standard and that’s not going to change over a couple of games. Juric needs time to work out how to get the best out of them. We’ll go down but i’d rather go down trying to play football than watching that crap we’ve been served up for the last 18 months.

#COYS

[Saint NL]

3 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

I can only hope something happens in January that can at least save us from being the worst Prem team ever. Whatever that may be

COVID outbreak and the league is cancelled? 🤞🤞🤞

[Viking Saint]

8 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

A big portion of fans now realise how poorly run this club is. SR are a bunch of fools; our squad is a mis-matched disarray of players with more weaknesses than attributes.

When you look at our central midfield or striking options, you can see how poorly organised the leadership of our club have been.

And chuck in the amount of money that has been wasted on absolute horseshit for good measure and it's not a pretty picture

[saintant]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That's weird because I remember managers like Poch and Ralph coming in and making an immediate improvement with literally their first game. Adkins took a couple of weeks, Hughes came in mid-March and did enough to just about keep us up with about 10 games left.

So why does the man being appointed with more than half the season left have such a difficult task? Seems to me he's got the team doing his thing almost immediately, we're going direct, he's got TP starting, much less passing around the back. Which 'habits' have we got that are so impossible to shake?

Complete lack of elite level fitness caused by the previous manager and his coaches.

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Which 'habits' have we got that are so impossible to shake?

I never said that any such habits would be 'impossible to shake', so maybe ask a question that doesn't put words in my mouth?

Edited 29 December, 2024 by trousers

[Badger]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That's weird because I remember managers like Poch and Ralph coming in and making an immediate ..  

Which 'habits' have we got that are so impossible to shake?

Without meaning to decry Juric, both Poch and Ralph were a cut above (in my view) and had a better squad to work with from day one.

As for the habits - conceding goals and losing. 

[Morse]

Championship level squad

No director of football 

No set piece coach

No scouting system

And SR making the calls. 

It's remarkable we're doing as well as we are. 

[saintant]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That's weird because I remember managers like Poch and Ralph coming in and making an immediate improvement with literally their first game. Adkins took a couple of weeks, Hughes came in mid-March and did enough to just about keep us up with about 10 games left.

So why does the man being appointed with more than half the season left have such a difficult task? Seems to me he's got the team doing his thing almost immediately, we're going direct, he's got TP starting, much less passing around the back. Which 'habits' have we got that are so impossible to shake?

Well he's certainly improved the number of goals we concede. 3 in 2 games is fortress like compared with 10 in 2 home games under Russell.

[Badger]

16 minutes ago, trousers said:

Arguably, the longer Martin stayed in post this season the more ingrained our bad habits became, ergo the longer it'll now take to get the players used to playing a different / better way...? 

Yes, we’re still reaping the legacy of Russell Martin. 
 

But as long as the chief dickhead, Rasmus remains at the club, it’ll be the gift that keeps giving. Only Plymouth have conceded more goals. Perhaps Rooney will be available for Rasmus to appoint in the summer.