Ivan Juric

[macca155]

On 25/12/2024 at 05:18, CanadaSaint said:

.....not Russell Martin's version of Monty Python's Fish Dance.

Brilliant analogy, made me laugh.

[egg]

29 minutes ago, Raging Bull said:

Russ to West “brave” Brom

I suspect he'll keep himself on our payroll for a while longer yet. 

[Raging Bull]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

I suspect he'll keep himself on our payroll for a while longer yet. 

Yeah I know, I was being unnecessary facetious 

[sadoldgit]

On 25/12/2024 at 03:28, east-stand-nic said:

Once again an incredible lack of awareness. You say I am literally stalking you and need to check my behavior, yes? So your post above that I replied to where you talk about Duckie, is that not also Stalking? Do you not need to check your own behavior? Or is it different because you are doing it? It is incredible you say these things when all the while it is YOU who is all the things you claim others to be DOING. I sincerely hope you get the mental health help you so clearly need.

You really are not that bright are you nic? Stalking is following someone about and responding to their posts on multiple threads. I haven’t been following Duckie about and responding to his every post. I was making a point about Duckie using a comedy name and avatar for our manager. They are two different things, savvy? You are stalking me. I made a comment about Duckie’s behaviour. Two. Different. Things. 

Now just stop it. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous than you previously were. And by the way, my post was on topic for this thread. Go back and look at your comment and think about your own behaviour. Then find a dictionary and look up the words and meanings of; “hypocrisy”, “obsessive behaviour”, “stalker”,“conspiracy theorist”, the phrase “pot calling the kettle black” and finally, stupid.
 

 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You really are not that bright are you nic? Stalking is following someone about and responding to their posts on multiple threads. I haven’t been following Duckie about and responding to his every post. I was making a point about Duckie using a comedy name and avatar for our manager. They are two different things, savvy? You are stalking me. I made a comment about Duckie’s behaviour. Two. Different. Things. 

Now just stop it. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous than you previously were. And by the way, my post was on topic for this thread. Go back and look at your comment and think about your own behaviour. Then find a dictionary and look up the words and meanings of; “hypocrisy”, “obsessive behaviour”, “stalker”,“conspiracy theorist”, the phrase “pot calling the kettle black” and finally, stupid.
 

 

The fact you’ve recently changed your avatar to count duckula is just coincidental, yes?

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

You really are not that bright are you nic? Stalking is following someone about and responding to their posts on multiple threads. I haven’t been following Duckie about and responding to his every post. I was making a point about Duckie using a comedy name and avatar for our manager. They are two different things, savvy? You are stalking me. I made a comment about Duckie’s behaviour. Two. Different. Things. 

Now just stop it. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous than you previously were. And by the way, my post was on topic for this thread. Go back and look at your comment and think about your own behaviour. Then find a dictionary and look up the words and meanings of; “hypocrisy”, “obsessive behaviour”, “stalker”,“conspiracy theorist”, the phrase “pot calling the kettle black” and finally, stupid.
 

 

You know full well you do the same that you accuse and berate others for. Your comment about Duckies behavior is different you my comment on yours in what way? You are either a wum made up character or very very stupid and unaware of it. I suggest you stop now.

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

The fact you’ve recently changed your avatar to count duckula is just coincidental, yes?

I am quite certain he is on a wind up. No one can be as unaware and stupid as what he says. He does the same thing he berates others for. He can see it, he is just embarrassed he keeps getting caught out. I am gonna leave it there with him and see how many times he brings me into threads again so we can point out is hypocrisy yet again. Should not have to wait too long.

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

I am quite certain he is on a wind up. No one can be as unaware and stupid as what he says. He does the same thing he berates others for. He can see it, he is just embarrassed he keeps getting caught out. I am gonna leave it there with him and see how many times he brings me into threads again so we can point out is hypocrisy yet again. Should not have to wait too long.

I didn’t think he was but I’m starting to come round to the idea, no one can be so completely thick and unaware of themselves to do the same thing over and over again. 
 

oh it won’t be long just don’t gjve him any attention for a few days and he’ll start quoting you or mentioning you in posts, he does it to me all the time. He loves the attention, very narcissistic behaviour which is funnily enough another thing he accuses others of 

[Badger]

9 hours ago, egg said:

I suspect he'll keep himself on our payroll for a while longer yet. 

Agree with you, but should WBA be interested in him he probably wouldn't get an offer from a bigger club. (Unless he hold's out for Norwich should that become available).

Edited 26 December, 2024 by Badger

[64saint]

Interesting that Ivan never came out to a big welcome today like many new managers do. I'm guessing he preferred the low profile approach as opposed to the....look at me type of manager....  Complete opposite to Russ which ain't a bad thing .

[Badger]

1 hour ago, 64saint said:

Interesting that Ivan never came out to a big welcome today like many new managers do. I'm guessing he preferred the low profile approach as opposed to the....look at me type of manager....  Complete opposite to Russ which ain't a bad thing .

No wavy hands bollocks at the end then. 

[Pamplemousse]

I'll be interested to see what he does at Palace. Russell always used to go over to the fans before (apart from towards the end when oddly he gave that up, I wonder why)!

[Saint_clark]

9 hours ago, Badger said:

No wavy hands bollocks at the end then. 

I always hate that nonsense. If you aren't going to go over and clap the fans when you lose then don't go over giving it billy big bollocks when you win.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

On 25/12/2024 at 05:18, CanadaSaint said:

This is exactly what has been doing my head in. We supposedly went after Marsch and were in discussions with Juric two years or so ago, and both of them are committed to fast transition using both flanks. Marsch's Canadian men's team is exhilarating to watch, punches well above its weight, and gave fits to some of the best sides in the world at Copa America, including a full-strength Argentina. Just what a club like Saints needs to be, not Russell Martin's version of Monty Python's Fish Dance.

The point isn't that we didn't hire Marsch or Juric, or even why we didn't, but that we went after them in the first place - and then settled for Jones, Selles and Martin. That's not a carefully-orchestrated philosophy at work, being guided by people who know football.

Hopefully, we're now on the right track but a lot of damage has been done.

Got a laughing emoji because fish dance. But also worth the like one too.

SR came in thinking they would add their approach onto a successful Ralph system. That would stabilise dips in it, bring individual wages down while bringing in fresh talent to sell on at a premium.

When Ralph's system wasn't saved, for various reasons, they've kept some of their financial approaches, even if it's a false economy, but have been inconsistent tactically.

The 10 year plan seems to include veering from one approach to another.

The punching above their weight attribute seems to overcome other considerations.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

I always hate that nonsense. If you aren't going to go over and clap the fans when you lose then don't go over giving it billy big bollocks when you win.

It’s all a load of pony. Acknowledge the support, wave maybe, but to clap them is pony. I’m in the jimmy Greaves camp on this one. When asked about players clapping the fans, replied “I didn’t clap them, they clapped me”. 

[Maggie May]

Sadly, he’s going to finish on the same win, lose and draw ratio as Russell Martin. 
 

Palace are going to hammer us. 

[johnnyboy]

20 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Sadly, he’s going to finish on the same win, lose and draw ratio as Russell Martin. 
 

Palace are going to hammer us. 

That’s the spirit ! What are you basing that opinion on from what I’ve seen there has been progress in the performance in the short time he’s been in charge ? Happy to hear your thinking on why you think this 

[Oldandtired]

42 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Sadly, he’s going to finish on the same win, lose and draw ratio as Russell Martin. 
 

Palace are going to hammer us. 

I'd imagine we'd lose but I don't honestly believe we're gonna get hammered. We're bit better now and I can't imagine Palace being a team that hammers anybody.

[Wsaint]

52 minutes ago, johnnyboy said:

That’s the spirit ! What are you basing that opinion on from what I’ve seen there has been progress in the performance in the short time he’s been in charge ? Happy to hear your thinking on why you think this 

They are just moaning about everything, I assume because they are unhappy Martin got the sack. One for the ignore list it will get boring quick.

[AlexLaw76]

in the last game, did we look for Ramsdale to pass the ball to a player around 18 yards out from our own goal and heavily marked?

[Maggie May]

2 hours ago, johnnyboy said:

That’s the spirit ! What are you basing that opinion on from what I’ve seen there has been progress in the performance in the short time he’s been in charge ? Happy to hear your thinking on why you think this 

That’s the spirit what? We looked shite under Russell, even worse under Juric. What on earth does everyone expect?  
 

Please repost this when we lose 3-0 to Crystal Palace next fixture. 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

That’s the spirit what? We looked shite under Russell, even worse under Juric. What on earth does everyone expect?  
 

Please repost this when we lose 3-0 to Crystal Palace next fixture. 

in what world did we look worse in the last game?

[Maggie May]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

in what world did we look worse in the last game?

Quote me when we get thumped against Palace….

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Maggie May said:

Quote me when we get thumped against Palace….

I am quoting you now. 

[Chris cooper]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

in what world did we look worse in the last game?

Shape was better .. tall Paul a constant threat giving us another dimension.. we had more shots on target in one game than we did in all the other games we’ve played!! WTF was @Maggie Maywatching on Boxing Day ???? 😆

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

27 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

WTF was @Maggie Maywatching on Boxing Day ???? 😆

Watford v skates I’d imagine. And he’s probably hurting.

[sadoldgit]

On 26/12/2024 at 12:20, east-stand-nic said:

I am quite certain he is on a wind up. No one can be as unaware and stupid as what he says. He does the same thing he berates others for. He can see it, he is just embarrassed he keeps getting caught out. I am gonna leave it there with him and see how many times he brings me into threads again so we can point out is hypocrisy yet again. Should not have to wait too long.

And yet again you bring me up. I did ask you to stop stalking me. The fact that you have Turkish on your side does neither of any favours. All this stuff about being unaware and yet you and he are the most unaware posters on here. A delusional conspiracy theorist and a narcissist, a marriage made in hell. I have only replied to a few of your posts so this idea that you have that I hang on your every word is, again, delusional.

As for my avatar. I have been on this place for years and changed it once and yet people who have changed their countless times have an issue with it? You guys really need to get out more. If  I had posted a Lego head would you have had a problem with it? 😂 Seriously, how old are you? Lord Duckhunter is ok but Count Duckula winds you up? To quote another longstanding poster, Jesus wept.

[Whitey Grandad]

13 hours ago, Maggie May said:

Quote me when we get thumped against Palace….

It was a straightforward question. A straightforward answer would not have been difficult.

[Disco Stu]

On 27/12/2024 at 21:24, Maggie May said:

Quote me when we get thumped against Palace….

What relevance does tomorrows Palace game have in regard to our performance against West Ham? Why would losing to Palace make the performance we had on Boxing day any better or worse?

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Disco Stu

[Turkish]

On 27/12/2024 at 23:46, sadoldgit said:

And yet again you bring me up. I did ask you to stop stalking me. The fact that you have Turkish on your side does neither of any favours. All this stuff about being unaware and yet you and he are the most unaware posters on here. A delusional conspiracy theorist and a narcissist, a marriage made in hell. I have only replied to a few of your posts so this idea that you have that I hang on your every word is, again, delusional.

As for my avatar. I have been on this place for years and changed it once and yet people who have changed their countless times have an issue with it? You guys really need to get out more. If  I had posted a Lego head would you have had a problem with it? 😂 Seriously, how old are you? Lord Duckhunter is ok but Count Duckula winds you up? To quote another longstanding poster, Jesus wept.

[Maggie May]

8 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

What relevance does tomorrows Palace game have in regards to our performance against West Ham? Why would losing to Palace make the performance we had on Boxing day any better or worse?

Just a hunch.

[Wsaint]

14 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Just a hunch.

Think Maggie may have lost her marbles.

[hypochondriac]

On 27/12/2024 at 23:46, sadoldgit said:

And yet again you bring me up. I did ask you to stop stalking me. The fact that you have Turkish on your side does neither of any favours. All this stuff about being unaware and yet you and he are the most unaware posters on here. A delusional conspiracy theorist and a narcissist, a marriage made in hell. I have only replied to a few of your posts so this idea that you have that I hang on your every word is, again, delusional.

As for my avatar. I have been on this place for years and changed it once and yet people who have changed their countless times have an issue with it? You guys really need to get out more. If  I had posted a Lego head would you have had a problem with it? 😂 Seriously, how old are you? Lord Duckhunter is ok but Count Duckula winds you up? To quote another longstanding poster, Jesus wept.

Edit: didn't realise this was on the main board. No one wants to read that shit on here. 

Edited 29 December, 2024 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Edit: didn't realise this was on the main board. No one wants to read that shit on here. 

I see he’s trying make it all About him on the main board as well now 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

What's this guy supposed to do?

He's inherited an absolute fucking mess.

[Tommy]

Let’s face it, he’s only in situ until the summer and then will be replaced

[Maggie May]

On 27/12/2024 at 18:40, Maggie May said:

Sadly, he’s going to finish on the same win, lose and draw ratio as Russell Martin. 
 

Palace are going to hammer us. 

Anyone still not agree with me? Palace had one of the worst home records in the league and we folded. The players just aren’t good enough, whether that’s under Martin’s system or with Juric. 

If we can’t get points from the likes of West Ham and Palace, there’s a very strong chance of us breaking the lowest points record, which is surely the only target we should be aiming for now. There’s no chance we are turning this around. 

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Let’s face it, he’s only in situ until the summer and then will be replaced

Why give him an 18 month contract if that were the case?

[Dr. Kucho]

5 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Anyone still not agree with me? Palace had one of the worst home records in the league and we folded. The players just aren’t good enough, whether that’s under Martin’s system or with Juric. 

If we can’t get points from the likes of West Ham and Palace, there’s a very strong chance of us breaking the lowest points record, which is surely the only target we should be aiming for now. There’s no chance we are turning this around. 

Juric has just started in the busiest time of the year. He has to implement a new style, tighten up the defense, find a way we can score goals all in a few training sessions around the festive period.

Edit: and get the players fitter.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Dr. Kucho

[AlexLaw76]

We have a manager who now surrenders the middle of the park.

great

[aintforever]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Juric has just started in the busiest time of the year. He has to implement a new style, tighten up the defense, find a way we can score goals all in a few training sessions around the festive period.

Edit: and get the players fitter.

This. The timing from the board was appalling, they had two international breaks to pull the trigger and left it up until the festive period to act - shocking. 

[Convict Colony]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Juric has just started in the busiest time of the year. He has to implement a new style, tighten up the defense, find a way we can score goals all in a few training sessions around the festive period.

Edit: and get the players fitter.

agree with this, think Ivan will have us playing well from mid jan but of course too late but hopefully some pride as the players try and get in the shop window for summer.

 

[Andy Hill]

Feel sorry for him - inherited a squad with not one Premiership level striker. Also the 2 teams that go down with us will be much stronger in terms of coming back up. 

[Lighthouse]

Just now, Andy Hill said:

Feel sorry for him - inherited a squad with not one Premiership level striker. Also the 2 teams that go down with us will be much stronger in terms of coming back up. 

Not to mention an incredibly flimsy CM and almost nothing by way of creativity beyond an inconsistent 18 year old. Not sure I agree with the second sentence as such. We said that last time, it's all about who holds on to which players. In that regard, I think we'll see relatively few come in for our lot.

[West end Saints]

Out of our midfielders / forwards I could only see Fernandes getting decent game time at any other prem team - in these areas so much weaker than when we last finished bottom.

Downes / Aribo / ugochuckwu

JWP / Lavia / Romeo

Massive downgrade from a team that was easily bottom. RM was a problem, but poor players a bigger one and harder to put right

[Pamplemousse]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Not to mention an incredibly flimsy CM and almost nothing by way of creativity beyond an inconsistent 18 year old. Not sure I agree with the second sentence as such. We said that last time, it's all about who holds on to which players. In that regard, I think we'll see relatively few come in for our lot.

That's a shame, because we need to ship at least half of the squad out. Another great job by our owners.

 

[Tommy]

43 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why give him an 18 month contract if that were the case?

It was reported as 6 months with a years option 

[Badger]

47 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why give him an 18 month contract if that were the case?

Guarantees him a decent pay off, from his perspective, for six months at the club. Perhaps he wasn’t interested in a short term deal, without the additional carrot on offer. All speculation of course. 

[stknowle]

31 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. The timing from the board was appalling, they had two international breaks to pull the trigger and left it up until the festive period to act - shocking. 

This. 

 

19 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

Out of our midfielders / forwards I could only see Fernandes getting decent game time at any other prem team - in these areas so much weaker than when we last finished bottom.

Downes / Aribo / ugochuckwu

JWP / Lavia / Romeo

Massive downgrade from a team that was easily bottom. RM was a problem, but poor players a bigger one and harder to put right

Romeo had already gone but yeah the other 2 on their own were stronger than the 3 we’ve got now. 

[manji]

Juric will have been fully aware we are likely to be relegated. I’m guessing he won’t be that bothered about our results but will want to start improvement. Our defence is better and most important our intent is better a couple of times today he threw a wobbler when a player took a “ safe “ option and passed back . He will be observing I’m no tactition but I noticed Tall Paul can take two opposition players out of the game giving us space. We didn’t know how to use it . 
our players have had 18 months of brainwashing from Russball some are adapting well some are looking incapable of changing AA for example . Apparently there’s going to be a few in and outs in January and definitely in the summer. Juric is aggressive but also pragmatic. He’s turned teams around in Italy and is used to working on a small budget . It was clear he has watched a lot of English football . 
he knows what he’s getting into and I’m sure SR will have made him aware of available budget the lot. 
 

Yep this is a lot of guesswork but I reckon Juric believes English football will suit him. Promotion next season but better prepared. Look at the points of the bottom half of the PL the teamss  are poor . I reckon once we are better organised we could have done Palace easily . We’ve lost a lot of games but most by fine margins it wouldn’t have taken that much to turn those games. We’ve already got some good players Archer being a good example but he’s not been utilized properly surely Juric is capable of turning him around. When RM got his new contract it gave him a lot a say in the transfers. 
I guess some were chosen for thier suitability for Russball. Juric has had two games but big picture they weren’t disasters realistically we aren’t staying up . I’m going to be looking at the attitude and method we are playing for let’s say the last 12 games.