david in sweden Posted Saturday at 12:03 Share Posted Saturday at 12:03 Some managers are good, others may have been " lucky" in their career, but the real test of any coach is ... Are these players good enough to play in the league they are in . ..or did they reach their peak after last season? It is hard to criticise Russell Martin after last season's promotion. He had " lost " most of the experienced players we used to have, and he achieved a minor miracle with a squad that included 6 loan players and a handful of untried, but talented youngsters. In the end , we finished 4th, and had the satisfaction of having beaten 3rd place Leeds .. THREE times (including the Wembley victory). Sadly the promotion was " a league too far " away for that squad and the much-debated " Russball" only delayed the inevitable decline of a squad who are simply....not good enough. Now Ivan Juric will have to use his experience to encourage a squad that has achieved little of consequence so far. Whether he will go into the dressing room with a box of Kleenex, or start throwing boots around, or order double-training remains to be seen, but our survival will be an uphill task, however you look at it. IF.. he achieves another " Great Escape" the effort will be more than just a minor miracle...given our position now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted Saturday at 12:25 Share Posted Saturday at 12:25 Does anyone know how good Juric's English is? Presumably, as a Croat, he was managing in Italy in his second language. Is his English fluent too? Although, on second thoughts, all he needs is to be able to shout "just bloody clear it", "no, pass it forwards" and probably "oh no, not again!" 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Saturday at 12:38 Share Posted Saturday at 12:38 32 minutes ago, david in sweden said: Some managers are good, others may have been " lucky" in their career, but the real test of any coach is ... Are these players good enough to play in the league they are in . ..or did they reach their peak after last season? It is hard to criticise Russell Martin after last season's promotion. He had " lost " most of the experienced players we used to have, and he achieved a minor miracle with a squad that included 6 loan players and a handful of untried, but talented youngsters. In the end , we finished 4th, and had the satisfaction of having beaten 3rd place Leeds .. THREE times (including the Wembley victory). Sadly the promotion was " a league too far " away for that squad and the much-debated " Russball" only delayed the inevitable decline of a squad who are simply....not good enough. Now Ivan Juric will have to use his experience to encourage a squad that has achieved little of consequence so far. Whether he will go into the dressing room with a box of Kleenex, or start throwing boots around, or order double-training remains to be seen, but our survival will be an uphill task, however you look at it. IF.. he achieves another " Great Escape" the effort will be more than just a minor miracle...given our position now. Please don't take this a criticism David, as I enjoy reading your posts,but one thing has been bugging me down the years and I can't hold back my curiosity any longer...! Why do you often have a line-break / carriage-return mid paragraph...? (for a simpleton like me, it makes it less easy to read 😁) Cheers! 👍🍻 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted Saturday at 12:59 Share Posted Saturday at 12:59 33 minutes ago, Ken Tone said: Does anyone know how good Juric's English is? Presumably, as a Croat, he was managing in Italy in his second language. Is his English fluent too? Although, on second thoughts, all he needs is to be able to shout "just bloody clear it", "no, pass it forwards" and probably "oh no, not again!" 😏 Football is a universal language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted Saturday at 13:02 Share Posted Saturday at 13:02 36 minutes ago, Ken Tone said: Does anyone know how good Juric's English is? Presumably, as a Croat, he was managing in Italy in his second language. Is his English fluent too? Although, on second thoughts, all he needs is to be able to shout "just bloody clear it", "no, pass it forwards" and probably "oh no, not again!" 😏 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Saturday at 13:22 Share Posted Saturday at 13:22 Given Saints are the record holders at breaking records, I assume we also hold the record for always being the club who take the longest to officially announce the appointment of a manager after the news has already been broken in the media...? Hurry up and announce Juric FFS! (What's the hold up Jordan / @Fabrice29?)* *Yes, I know it's probably something to do with work permits / Visas, but still... 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted Saturday at 13:27 Share Posted Saturday at 13:27 5 minutes ago, trousers said: Given Saints are the record holders at breaking records, I assume we also hold the record for always being the club who take the longest to officially announce the appointment of a manager after the news has already been broken in the media...? Hurry up and announce Juric FFS! (What's the hold up Jordan / @Fabrice29?)* *Yes, I know it's probably something to do with work permits / Visas, but still... 🙂 I was told that he's waiting for Martin O'Neill to move out of the Winchester pad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted Saturday at 13:51 Share Posted Saturday at 13:51 (edited) What’s not to like he’s managed at a much higher level then the likes of rohl which is a positive after our last two appointments .. seems to favour a aggressive defense first approach and is also a disciple of gasparini who has Atalanta top of serie a.. we could do a lot worse Edited Saturday at 13:52 by pimpin4rizeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted Saturday at 13:55 Share Posted Saturday at 13:55 3 hours ago, SWLondon Saint said: Found a couple of articles about his style of play: https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/ivan-jurics-torino-the-fun-side-of-serie-a/ https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/head-coach-analysis-ivan-juric-201920-tactical-analysis-tactics He's a Gasperini 'disciple' which judging by how Atalanta play could be great. Looking at when he was at Verona and Torino he's never really gotten decent backing in terms of getting players in, so I guess the hope is we put up a good fight, and he feels happy enough with the club setup that he doesn't mind a season in the Championship building stuff his way, as he's definitely a 'top 5 European leagues' manager going off his Serie A record. For some info on Gasperini's tactical style this is a helpful watch 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMrsWallace Posted Saturday at 14:50 Share Posted Saturday at 14:50 2 hours ago, david in sweden said: Some managers are good, others may have been " lucky" in their career, but the real test of any coach is ... Are these players good enough to play in the league they are in . ..or did they reach their peak after last season? It is hard to criticise Russell Martin after last season's promotion. He had " lost " most of the experienced players we used to have, and he achieved a minor miracle with a squad that included 6 loan players and a handful of untried, but talented youngsters. In the end , we finished 4th, and had the satisfaction of having beaten 3rd place Leeds .. THREE times (including the Wembley victory). Sadly the promotion was " a league too far " away for that squad and the much-debated " Russball" only delayed the inevitable decline of a squad who are simply....not good enough. Now Ivan Juric will have to use his experience to encourage a squad that has achieved little of consequence so far. Whether he will go into the dressing room with a box of Kleenex, or start throwing boots around, or order double-training remains to be seen, but our survival will be an uphill task, however you look at it. IF.. he achieves another " Great Escape" the effort will be more than just a minor miracle...given our position now. Maybe I've,not read this correctly but you seem to be implying Russell Martin wasn't at fault for our current position? If so, that's truly baffling. Maybe our players aren't good enough but he picked them and he picked the system they played. And to be honest, we only need to pick up 6 more points between now and the end of the season to show they are better without the moron. Low bar right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted Saturday at 14:59 Share Posted Saturday at 14:59 1 hour ago, trousers said: Given Saints are the record holders at breaking records, I assume we also hold the record for always being the club who take the longest to officially announce the appointment of a manager after the news has already been broken in the media...? Hurry up and announce Juric FFS! (What's the hold up Jordan / @Fabrice29?)* *Yes, I know it's probably something to do with work permits / Visas, but still... 🙂 Friday and Saturday is always a nightmare to get a 24 turnaround at the Dry Cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted Saturday at 15:05 Share Posted Saturday at 15:05 (edited) 15 minutes ago, OneMrsWallace said: Maybe I've,not read this correctly but you seem to be implying Russell Martin wasn't at fault for our current position? If so, that's truly baffling. Maybe our players aren't good enough but he picked them and he picked the system they played. And to be honest, we only need to pick up 6 more points between now and the end of the season to show they are better without the moron. Low bar right? Quite.. it's a sobering thought to think that if I've been in charge of the team we could only have been a maximum of five points worse off this season. Edited Saturday at 15:06 by Oldandtired 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted Saturday at 15:14 Share Posted Saturday at 15:14 2 hours ago, goodymatt said: Generating the fear of god in people transcends language barriers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted Saturday at 15:15 Share Posted Saturday at 15:15 1 hour ago, trousers said: Given Saints are the record holders at breaking records, I assume we also hold the record for always being the club who take the longest to officially announce the appointment of a manager after the news has already been broken in the media...? Hurry up and announce Juric FFS! (What's the hold up Jordan / @Fabrice29?)* *Yes, I know it's probably something to do with work permits / Visas, but still... 🙂 Aren’t we waiting for work permit ? Will be Monday I believe as Govmnt agency won’t be open at weekends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted Saturday at 15:17 Share Posted Saturday at 15:17 2 hours ago, david in sweden said: Some managers are good, others may have been " lucky" in their career, but the real test of any coach is ... Are these players good enough to play in the league they are in . ..or did they reach their peak after last season? It is hard to criticise Russell Martin after last season's promotion. He had " lost " most of the experienced players we used to have, and he achieved a minor miracle with a squad that included 6 loan players and a handful of untried, but talented youngsters. In the end , we finished 4th, and had the satisfaction of having beaten 3rd place Leeds .. THREE times (including the Wembley victory). Sadly the promotion was " a league too far " away for that squad and the much-debated " Russball" only delayed the inevitable decline of a squad who are simply....not good enough. Now Ivan Juric will have to use his experience to encourage a squad that has achieved little of consequence so far. Whether he will go into the dressing room with a box of Kleenex, or start throwing boots around, or order double-training remains to be seen, but our survival will be an uphill task, however you look at it. IF.. he achieves another " Great Escape" the effort will be more than just a minor miracle...given our position now. The question is “how many of our players are playing to the absolute best of their abilities” Id argue that only Ryan manning is at his best under Martin’s poor leadership. His style and tactics made us even worse than the sum of our parts (which we know are poor at this level anyway). We have a bad squad but we know some of these same players are better than this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 15:25 Share Posted Saturday at 15:25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: The question is “how many of our players are playing to the absolute best of their abilities” Id argue that only Ryan manning is at his best under Martin’s poor leadership. His style and tactics made us even worse than the sum of our parts (which we know are poor at this level anyway). We have a bad squad but we know some of these same players are better than this. I'm hoping Archer will flourish, hell no doubt see more of the ball with it being played forward quicker and hopefully into the channels to stretch opposition defenses a bit. Something we haven't seen in years. Hopefully he tells Downes to protect the back four, not go marauding forward to try and win the ball like he has been, especially against Spurs. The players in front of him can be a bit more aggressive. The defence can concentrate on actually defending rather than worry about having to try and pass the ball between themselves for most of the game. Edited Saturday at 15:27 by Harry_SFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted Saturday at 15:26 Share Posted Saturday at 15:26 2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: The question is “how many of our players are playing to the absolute best of their abilities” Great point. You cannot tell me our defenders can’t benefit from being coached properly. From the outside, we seem to have a lackadaisical approach to the defensive side of the game and only want to do the nice part. Hopefully this new guy will change the culture round the group and get rid of the ridiculous love in the previous manager had with the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted Saturday at 15:30 Share Posted Saturday at 15:30 Heard he's a bit of a head case. At Torino, he picked a fight with the Director of Football in the stadium's car park! Someone point out Ankersen to him and tell him Ankersen's the Director of Football! 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted Saturday at 15:42 Share Posted Saturday at 15:42 6 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Hopefully he tells Downes to protect the back four, not go marauding forward to try and win the ball like he has been, especially against Spurs. The players in front of him can be a bit more aggressive. The defence can concentrate on actually defending rather than worry about having to try and pass the ball between themselves for most of the game. I think Downes’ game will start improving when he can focus more on his main role - protecting our back line from the opposition, and breaking out when safe to do so. A lot of his time under Russball involved trying to protect the back line from itself. So much so that he became part of it and started falling victim to the same failings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted Saturday at 15:49 Share Posted Saturday at 15:49 From what I've read it's a shame we couldn't have brought him in 10 games ago. If he can organise the defence, apply a press and give the team some spirit I'll be happy, relegation or not. First things first, let's get past that Derby record and see where we go from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted Saturday at 15:53 Share Posted Saturday at 15:53 Does Ivan speak English? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey McStripe Shirt Posted Saturday at 15:57 Share Posted Saturday at 15:57 3 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Does Ivan speak English? Pretty good apparently, which feels like a fairly important point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob60 Posted Saturday at 16:06 Share Posted Saturday at 16:06 All done and signed. 18 month initial deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Saturday at 16:07 Share Posted Saturday at 16:07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 16:07 Share Posted Saturday at 16:07 Just now, Bob60 said: All done and signed. 18 month initial deal. Yep, to be announced this evening according to Adam Blackmore. He also says they're hoping Juric will be in the dugout tomorrow. Not sure about that given he wouldn't have even had a training session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Saturday at 16:08 Share Posted Saturday at 16:08 Just now, Harry_SFC said: Yep, to be announced this evening according to Adam Blackmore. He also says they're hoping Juric will be in the dugout tomorrow. Not sure about that given he wouldn't have even had a training session? Not much difference to when Rusk was in the dugout on Wednesday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Saturday at 16:13 Share Posted Saturday at 16:13 44 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: I'm hoping Archer will flourish, hell no doubt see more of the ball with it being played forward quicker and hopefully into the channels to stretch opposition defenses a bit. Something we haven't seen in years. Hopefully he tells Downes to protect the back four, not go marauding forward to try and win the ball like he has been, especially against Spurs. The players in front of him can be a bit more aggressive. The defence can concentrate on actually defending rather than worry about having to try and pass the ball between themselves for most of the game. Pretty sure Juric will play Downes with a partner in a double pivot which should ease his work load. Juric's problem will be identifying who the second player in the double pivot will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted Saturday at 16:19 Share Posted Saturday at 16:19 6 minutes ago, saintant said: Pretty sure Juric will play Downes with a partner in a double pivot which should ease his work load. Juric's problem will be identifying who the second player in the double pivot will be. will be big les surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Saturday at 16:20 Share Posted Saturday at 16:20 11 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Yep, to be announced this evening according to Adam Blackmore. He also says they're hoping Juric will be in the dugout tomorrow. Not sure about that given he wouldn't have even had a training session? He can't do worse than RM who continually claimed he'd had a great week in training with his brave boys only for them to capitulate when it came to match day - get Ivan in the dug out and hope he can influence the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 16:21 Share Posted Saturday at 16:21 11 minutes ago, trousers said: Not much difference to when Rusk was in the dugout on Wednesday... I guess but we didn't have a choice really, and he did have one session with the players - someone had to be in charge. If Rusk has prepared the game plan etc it would be odd to stick Juric in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted Saturday at 16:22 Share Posted Saturday at 16:22 2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: will be big les surely Doubt it, he's going back to Chelsea. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Saturday at 16:23 Share Posted Saturday at 16:23 1 minute ago, Convict Colony said: will be big les surely I hoped Big Les would make a huge difference to our midfield but it hasn't happened - not sure if that's down to him lacking ability or being used in the wrong way by RM. Also, I think he's looking to get back to Chelsea asap as his experience on loan to us has not been a good one - again, not sure whose fault that is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberSaint Posted Saturday at 16:34 Share Posted Saturday at 16:34 He'll be terrible. Apparently he doesn't like to allow the opposition near our box. #notrussball. He likes to defend man to man. #not russball. He likes his team to take lots of shots. #notrussball. I don't like him. #notrussball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted Saturday at 16:35 Share Posted Saturday at 16:35 26 minutes ago, trousers said: At least Adam has confirmed it now. I'm for one am fully behind Jurić and looking forward to seeing what he can do 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Saturday at 16:48 Share Posted Saturday at 16:48 Avoiding relegation is a tall order but let's see how many points Juric amasses from his 22 games in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted Saturday at 17:05 Share Posted Saturday at 17:05 (edited) Official - Ivan Jurić appointed as Saints boss: https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/saints-appoint-ivan-juric-as-mens-first-team-manager Edited Saturday at 17:06 by CSA96 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 17:08 Share Posted Saturday at 17:08 "I see a team that can do better" Can't we all mate. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted Saturday at 17:09 Share Posted Saturday at 17:09 "I'm very pleased. I think this is a really big challenge but I'm very optimistic because I saw a team that I believe can do better. "It's important to immediately be connected with the fans. I want an aggressive team and I think that fans of Southampton will like that. "I want us to be more aggressive, to do much more pressing and we have to be quick to change mentality because this is my idea of football." 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted Saturday at 17:09 Share Posted Saturday at 17:09 Welcome aboard. Now go and put some fire in their bellies! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted Saturday at 17:10 Share Posted Saturday at 17:10 (edited) Well, fast enough an appointment to suggest SR had been thinking about this...what do we know about him as a manager? - me, nada. Edited Saturday at 17:11 by Vancouver Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon_man Posted Saturday at 17:11 Share Posted Saturday at 17:11 4 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Official - Ivan Jurić appointed as Saints boss: https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/saints-appoint-ivan-juric-as-mens-first-team-manager Is it me or does that picture make him look like a Vatican employee with something to hide? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted Saturday at 17:12 Share Posted Saturday at 17:12 1 minute ago, Vancouver Saint said: Well, fast enough an appointment to suggest SR had been thinking about this...what do we know about him as a manager? - me, nada. There's a thread knocking around on X of a random Turkish fan who was sat next to Ankersen on a plane in 2022 when he was texting Juric saying he wanted to meet with him in person to pitch the job to him, so clearly he is someone they've been interested in for a while. Admittedly, like yourself I know very little of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaintsBarry74 Posted Saturday at 17:22 Share Posted Saturday at 17:22 12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: "I see a team that can do better" Can't we all mate. Well, yes... 5 points after 16 games isn't exactly very impressive, is it? It would've been concerning if he claimed we were meeting expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted Saturday at 17:30 Share Posted Saturday at 17:30 15 minutes ago, CSA96 said: There's a thread knocking around on X of a random Turkish fan who was sat next to Ankersen on a plane in 2022 when he was texting Juric saying he wanted to meet with him in person to pitch the job to him, so clearly he is someone they've been interested in for a while. Admittedly, like yourself I know very little of him He was in the running to replace Ralph. We ended up with Mad Nate 🫤 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted Saturday at 17:33 Share Posted Saturday at 17:33 3 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: He was in the running to replace Ralph. We ended up with Mad Nate 🫤 I think he was coaching Torino at the time and they were in the top half of Serie A, so taking over that Saints team was presumably not tempting enough. Could've saved us all from the Mad Nate experience 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Saturday at 17:34 Share Posted Saturday at 17:34 Welcome Ivan and good luck - you're sure going to need it but all we ask is some decent performances with direction and effort which will get us some pride back. Few of us expect the miracle of avoiding relegation but let's get as many points as we can to give us some confidence going into next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 17:35 Share Posted Saturday at 17:35 11 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: Well, yes... 5 points after 16 games isn't exactly very impressive, is it? It would've been concerning if he claimed we were meeting expectations. Well, some of the Saints Web Martin lovers claim we are meeting expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted Saturday at 17:43 Share Posted Saturday at 17:43 It will be nice for the players to have a manager who puts a foot up their arse for a change instead of an arm around the shoulder. Early speculation but i think having Fernades and Dibbling as the 2 AM will be awesome in this system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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