Ivan Juric

[LiberalCommunist]

We need someone to show some leadership. Anyone. But instead we get crickets. The players are not off the hook, but I do have some sympathy for them. What a shit show. 

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, IFHP said:

Why’s he’s still here ? 

Next question?

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

To focus on the topic of this thread:

• Juric is not good enough and should not be here next season.
• He is also not going to bring about any improvement of performances and morale this season.
• He is liable to undermine the confidence and affinity with Saints of any players worth keeping.
• He is liable to confuse the tactical nous of the players in our squad.
• Taking all of that together there is nothing to be gained in keeping him until the end of the season and everything to lose in doing so!
• Much better to get rid and internally install a caretaker manager who has a good relationship with the players.

In relation to other issues that people have raised about the failures of both Juric and SR:

• The failure to bring in a Premier League striker is unforgiveable. We would have been better to keep and develop Ballard as our striker than rely on Archer, Onuachu and Sick-note-Stewart.
• There are players with future potential, but undermining their potential with poor managers and demoralising tactics and defeats is not the way to develop those players.
• There are not enough players who are of Premier League quality now. I would suggest the following might just about scrape into this definition when they are playing at their best with good tactics: Ramsdale, Walker-Peters, Harwood-Bellis, Bella-Kotchap, Welington, Fernandes, Dibling - most of those will be gone in the summer.
• Some of the other players can be coached towards PL standard with the right appointment this summer. I am hopeful that Rohl may be that man. However, we still need to bring in other players ready for the Premier League.

[Badger]

Probably as good a place to drop this in as anywhere, but saw an article linking us with another possible replacement option.

 

https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-to-appoint-one-of-the-best-british-coaches-replace-juric/

Probably not a reliable source.

Thought Rosenior was another possession freak. It’s a big ‘fuck off’ from me. 

[Thripp87]

3 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

We need someone to show some leadership. Anyone. But instead we get crickets. The players are not off the hook, but I do have some sympathy for them. What a shit show. 

How can anyone have sympathy with that crock of shit who are a disgrace to the shirt?

They should be embarrassed to even show their faces around the city, 9 points in April ffs, and you have sympathy for them. Why?

I have sympathy for the fans that turn up every week and contribute to their primadonna lifestyle and latest tattoo.

 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Thripp87 said:

How can anyone have sympathy with that crock of shit who are a disgrace to the shirt?

They should be embarrassed to even show their faces around the city, 9 points in April ffs, and you have sympathy for them. Why?

I have sympathy for the fans that turn up every week and contribute to their primadonna lifestyle and latest tattoo.

 

I have sympathy for them because they’ve been thrown into a situation in which they’re hopelessly out of their depth and it can’t be good for your self-esteem to be getting embarrassed like this every week. Most of them are trying their best. They’re just crap.

[Thripp87]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I have sympathy for them because they’ve been thrown into a situation in which they’re hopelessly out of their depth and it can’t be good for your self-esteem to be getting embarrassed like this every week. Most of them are trying their best. They’re just crap.

Do a gesture then and donate 10% of their wages to the fans. 
My self esteem is not good watching them every week. 

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, Thripp87 said:

Do a gesture then and donate 10% of their wages to the fans. 
My self esteem is not good watching them every week. 

Why should they?

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I have sympathy for them because they’ve been thrown into a situation in which they’re hopelessly out of their depth and it can’t be good for your self-esteem to be getting embarrassed like this every week. Most of them are trying their best. They’re just crap.

Personally I think if we'd have had an experienced manager setting us up properly from the start of the season we'd be going down still but we would definitely have made more of a fight of it. Yes we aren't good enough but we are a poor group of players for this level who have been mismanaged terribly. 

[Football Special]

14 hours ago, IFHP said:

Why’s he’s still here ? 

He just needs time to implement his methods apparently! 

Reminds me of Russ saying "when things click we're going to be brilliant " 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 hours ago, IFHP said:

Why’s he’s still here ? 

Spors bottling his first real decision.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I suspect Juric will be utilised between now and seasons end to suck up all the fallout - taking the blame for 9 points, sacking off unwanted players etc. He was always going to be the fall guy given what he’s had to work with.

[Whitey Grandad]

29 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I suspect Juric will be utilised between now and seasons end to suck up all the fallout - taking the blame for 9 points, sacking off unwanted players etc. He was always going to be the fall guy given what he’s had to work with.

I don’t buy this. Sure, they’re not the greatest players around but they’ve not been allowed to play as a coherent team. Any idiot could have set them up better on Saturday and there are plenty of us on here who could give it a go.

[beatlesaint]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Why should they?

Why? Well I accept they are, in your own words "crap" and cannot be blamed for that BUT there is absolutely no excuse for the downing of tools attitude that is so prevelant throughout the team and squad. Add to that the lack of effort, some players stroll or jog around like they are on a Sunday afternoon outing in the New Forest.

Thats why ! 

Edited yesterday at 10:20 by beatlesaint

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I don’t buy this. Sure, they’re not the greatest players around but they’ve not been allowed to play as a coherent team. Any idiot could have set them up better on Saturday and there are plenty of us on here who could give it a go.

What do you mean? Do you actually think there was any resemblance of a team able to make a last ditch charge for safety when he took over? This team was relegated (if not mathematically) by the time he took over such was the abject failure - of course he was going to be the fall guy unless by some incredible miracle nearly everything we had seen to date was some bad dream and all of a sudden the players looked competent in even the basics of being a Prem outfit. It was better against Liverpool sure, but the damage was irreversible by then. Juric knew this 2 games in I would wager.

[Wade Garrett]

14 hours ago, Badger said:

Probably as good a place to drop this in as anywhere, but saw an article linking us with another possible replacement option.

 

https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-to-appoint-one-of-the-best-british-coaches-replace-juric/

Probably not a reliable source.

Thought Rosenior was another possession freak. It’s a big ‘fuck off’ from me. 

Last thing we need is another philosophy manager.  
Hull didn’t think he was good enough to be their manager.

It’s a big fuck off from me as well.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

What do you mean? Do you actually think there was any resemblance of a team able to make a last ditch charge for safety when he took over? This team was relegated (if not mathematically) by the time he took over such was the abject failure - of course he was going to be the fall guy unless by some incredible miracle nearly everything we had seen to date was some bad dream and all of a sudden the players looked competent in even the basics of being a Prem outfit. It was better against Liverpool sure, but the damage was irreversible by then. Juric knew this 2 games in I would wager.

Whilst Adam Armstrong going on loan may not be a major loss, it meant we really had little forward choice. SO Archer SUlly or TP , hardly a mouthwatering selection for a manager to work with.

Juric was failed in January and I understand why players didnt join, but we were weaker at the end of the window than before. It is a tough gig for Juric but he has got to take a lot of blame for not seeing that the players are not up to fanciful man to man system. They look nowhere fit enough to play that way

[S-Clarke]

14 hours ago, Badger said:

Probably as good a place to drop this in as anywhere, but saw an article linking us with another possible replacement option.

 

https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-to-appoint-one-of-the-best-british-coaches-replace-juric/

Probably not a reliable source.

Thought Rosenior was another possession freak. It’s a big ‘fuck off’ from me. 

Yeah, he was Martin-Russell Lite. 

I can't look past the team he had at Hull, Carvalho, Giles, Seri, Greaves, Tyler Morton, Philogene, Twine, Delap, Omur. And he didn't even make the playoffs, but he had good possession. 

Yes, Hull have struggled this season, but of those players above - who were key - none of them are there anymore, so they were always going to drop off. But I will always think that Rosenior flopped big by not getting them to finish above WBA or Norwich with the squad he had available last year.

Edited yesterday at 12:44 by S-Clarke

[Doctoroncall]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

What do you mean? Do you actually think there was any resemblance of a team able to make a last ditch charge for safety when he took over? This team was relegated (if not mathematically) by the time he took over such was the abject failure - of course he was going to be the fall guy unless by some incredible miracle nearly everything we had seen to date was some bad dream and all of a sudden the players looked competent in even the basics of being a Prem outfit. It was better against Liverpool sure, but the damage was irreversible by then. Juric knew this 2 games in I would wager.

I think we were always odds on to go down, but not like this. The trouble is there has been little response from most of the games he’s been in charge of after taking over. Any manager usually gets an uptick at some point, not a flat line. 
 

why stick with five at the back considering the evidence it’s been problematic and short changes the midfield presence?

why change from zonal to man marking mid season? No other PL team does man to man.

why constantly change the team lineup?

Better against Liverpool but quickly forgotten. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

What do you mean? Do you actually think there was any resemblance of a team able to make a last ditch charge for safety when he took over? This team was relegated (if not mathematically) by the time he took over such was the abject failure - of course he was going to be the fall guy unless by some incredible miracle nearly everything we had seen to date was some bad dream and all of a sudden the players looked competent in even the basics of being a Prem outfit. It was better against Liverpool sure, but the damage was irreversible by then. Juric knew this 2 games in I would wager.

What do I mean? 
 

I mean what I said. I was never expecting salvation but I didn’t expect another manager who would use us as an experiment for his weird theories about how football should be played. 

I expected us to be at the very least competitive in our games instead of raising a white flag before we’ve even kicked off. I expected effort right from the start. I expected that at least once a game I would see something that would get me up out of my seat. Results were not a concern for me but this half season should have been used a a preparation for the next.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

What do I mean? 
 

I mean what I said. I was never expecting salvation but I didn’t expect another manager who would use us as an experiment for his weird theories about how football should be played. 

I expected us to be at the very least competitive in our games instead of raising a white flag before we’ve even kicked off. I expected effort right from the start. I expected that at least once a game I would see something that would get me up out of my seat. Results were not a concern for me but this half season should have been used a a preparation for the next.

I can’t disagree with the sentiment, but there was next to nothing from the preceding Prem games to indicate the team had any semblance of improving beyond what Martin had achieved (or not as the case was). We may have hoped Juric was the answer, but the short contract with get out clause given to him tells me he was a temporary fix, with the club hedging their bets and expecting him to fail. The positive is that he’ll not be involved in re-build process thankfully, although I’m not confident another balls-up is on the cards while SR are pulling Spors strings.

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

I think we were always odds on to go down, but not like this. The trouble is there has been little response from most of the games he’s been in charge of after taking over. Any manager usually gets an uptick at some point, not a flat line. 
 

why stick with five at the back considering the evidence it’s been problematic and short changes the midfield presence?

why change from zonal to man marking mid season? No other PL team does man to man.

why constantly change the team lineup?

Better against Liverpool but quickly forgotten. 

I just think he’s just flailing about trying random stuff just to be seen to trying new things. Some of his post match comments are so bereft of sense that it’s clear he’s not invested in the job - a caretaker who couldn’t care less.

[Sarnia Cherie]

18 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Next question?

He's made a bloody good job of doing exactly that to our club. I was wired up in resus yesterday and I'm certain this cretin is responsible for it. 

[Pamplemousse]

I was half in favour of him staying for next season but the line up for the Wolves game has changed my mind completely. He lost us that game through pure stupidity.

[Saint Gifford]

Just a succession of managers that just don’t fit, both club and playing squad. 

We have some shit players but is that in the head, wrong tactics crap training schedule. Got no idea, but you don’t get to Prem or Champ without some abilities.

Same with managers. You don’t get to manage Prem, Champ without some ideas. 

We are missing some kind of values, pathway, understanding, whatever it is.

I haven’t heard the phrase “The Southampton Way” for a while. 

Seemed to have worked for ML, NC. 

Need some clever “moneyball” tactics like our friends down the coast and I guess those other ones in the smoke. 

 

 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

Glen de la Cour hits the nail on the head on the TSP saying Nathan Jones was chosen above him by Ankerson two year ago.

Damning indictment of Juric but even more so of the Danish Dickhead.

What the fuck is Spors doing - why is Juric still at the club?

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Glen de la Cour hits the nail on the head on the TSP saying Nathan Jones was chosen above him by Ankerson two year ago.

Damning indictment of Juric but even more so of the Danish Dickhead.

What the fuck is Spors doing - why is Juric still at the club?

First part - hopefully getting a good head start on our recruitment for the summer, identifying the players and managers we need to get us promoted again and hopefully make a better job of staying up.

Second part - because there’s no point whatsoever in sacking him and his replacement would be a man who’s only ever managed at a National League level.

[SaintLondon]

Here’s a theory that could explain why Juric is still in place, even though we all know he’s out of a job (regardless of what Fabrizio Romano is saying).

Everyone knows we’ve been circling Rohl and have likely made a decision on him, but we’re waiting until our Premier League status is officially gone. If we sack Juric now and then appoint Rohl in early June, Sheffield Wednesday could argue that we’d been in discussions with his reps in advance and take legal action—similar to what happened with Russell Martin and Swansea—demanding Premier League-level compensation.

Could be nonsense, but it does seem plausible.

[Whitey Grandad]

29 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

Here’s a theory that could explain why Juric is still in place, even though we all know he’s out of a job (regardless of what Fabrizio Romano is saying).

Everyone knows we’ve been circling Rohl and have likely made a decision on him, but we’re waiting until our Premier League status is officially gone. If we sack Juric now and then appoint Rohl in early June, Sheffield Wednesday could argue that we’d been in discussions with his reps in advance and take legal action—similar to what happened with Russell Martin and Swansea—demanding Premier League-level compensation.

Could be nonsense, but it does seem plausible.

Plausible, but I believe that if Juric just worked from home we would be better off. By ‘worked from home’ I mean spent his time gardening.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

First part - hopefully getting a good head start on our recruitment for the summer, identifying the players and managers we need to get us promoted again and hopefully make a better job of staying up.

Second part - because there’s no point whatsoever in sacking him and his replacement would be a man who’s only ever managed at a National League level.

I would say not going down with less points than Derby county did in 2007 is a pretty big reason to do it tbh

I reckon Rusk could just about scrape 3 points.

Not a chance Juric will. Not a chance.

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Glen de la Cour hits the nail on the head on the TSP saying Nathan Jones was chosen above him by Ankerson two year ago.

Damning indictment of Juric but even more so of the Danish Dickhead.

What the fuck is Spors doing - why is Juric still at the club?

As much as he’s getting pelters now .. I don’t think juric would be a total disaster in the championship . Not saying I want it to happen anymore but honestly don’t think he’s any worse then Martin 

[woodsaint1]

36 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

As much as he’s getting pelters now .. I don’t think juric would be a total disaster in the championship . Not saying I want it to happen anymore but honestly don’t think he’s any worse then Martin 

Good thing we'll not get to find out.

If we recruited players to suit his style of play and with the Championship being a lesser level, then yes he wouldnt be a total disaster.

But we also need a manager who, if they got us promoted, could conceivably make us a competitive team again in the PL. I have zero faith in Juric being that manager with some of the mental decisions he's made during his time here.

The fact that SR have not acted already suggests hes here until the season's end

[lambtiss]

[ant]

56 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

Enough games left to give them one each, with another to spare. 

Presumably that'll be a Sammy Saint & Mary Saint joint effort.

Or Gorman & Dodd, back to get us the magic 3 points and seal their redemption. 😅

[Tommy Mulgrew]

I seem to be in a minority on here, despite me not liking at all the lineup that Juric selected for it, but IMO I thought the players were almost entirely to blame for the Wolves defeat and the manager hardly at all.  We created enough chances to win the game but with one exception could not score.  The goals we conceded resulted from woeful defending by Manning, ABK and THB.  And Ramsdale should have saved the headed goal; if Macca or Bazza had let that in, the criticism on here would have been deafening.  With few exceptions, our players’ speed of thought and physicality were lacking throughout the game; we were often beaten to the loose ball and frequently got shoved/barged/outmuscled off the ball by a more determined opponent (notably Downes, Dibling and Sulemana).  I thought the withdrawal of Fernandes at half-time was bizarre and the only explanation I can see is that, by saying that he did not like the way Fernandes played, Juric meant that the player did not carry out instructions on how to play during the match. I would have preferred it if either TP or CA had played the whole game but the simple truth is that our players were not as good as theirs and that as a team Wolves were better than us.  And, once again, our play when chasing a goal in the last 15 minutes or so was embarrassingly lackadaisical.  We got what we deserved.

[Pamplemousse]

Yeah we created chances, if we had a striker on the pitch we would've scored one of them. That's on the manager for not selecting one.

Onuachu did nothing when he came on but he was in the right place at the right time to finish off a chance.

 

[Saint_T]

Since he's arrived, we've played 6 PL home games and have scored 3 goals. Bournemouth and Newcastle have scored the same at St Mary's since Juric was appointed, Brighton and Brentford have scored more, only Wolves and West Ham have scored less. To not be even top scorer of goals at your own ground over 6 games is embarrassing, not sure what word you use for only being in the middle of the pack! 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

I seem to be in a minority on here, despite me not liking at all the lineup that Juric selected for it, but IMO I thought the players were almost entirely to blame for the Wolves defeat and the manager hardly at all.  We created enough chances to win the game but with one exception could not score.  The goals we conceded resulted from woeful defending by Manning, ABK and THB.  And Ramsdale should have saved the headed goal; if Macca or Bazza had let that in, the criticism on here would have been deafening.  With few exceptions, our players’ speed of thought and physicality were lacking throughout the game; we were often beaten to the loose ball and frequently got shoved/barged/outmuscled off the ball by a more determined opponent (notably Downes, Dibling and Sulemana).  I thought the withdrawal of Fernandes at half-time was bizarre and the only explanation I can see is that, by saying that he did not like the way Fernandes played, Juric meant that the player did not carry out instructions on how to play during the match. I would have preferred it if either TP or CA had played the whole game but the simple truth is that our players were not as good as theirs and that as a team Wolves were better than us.  And, once again, our play when chasing a goal in the last 15 minutes or so was embarrassingly lackadaisical.  We got what we deserved.

The first half was an aimless stroll entirely down to the ridiculous team selection.