Ivan Juric

[Crab Lungs]

Take me back to Nathan Jones of Selles and his resting defence.

This bloke is completely, utterly shite.

[Oisin]

11 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

There was people on here talking about the new manager being needed to make us more competitive and less of a laughing stock. Actively being pleased that Juric was a breath of fresh air and a taskmaster. Which all sounds wonderful until you lose games on a consistent basis and now he's clueless and guess what we're still a laughing stock and not any more competitive really. We might be slightly different but we're not really any better.

I'm not a massive fan of this guy and I'm not going to launch a huge defence of the bloke but it's really easy to just call managers clueless, woeful, out of their depth etc and demand we appoint a 3rd one and 6th in two PL seasons but unless anyone can convince me anything changes I don't really see the point....?

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

[Oisin]

12 hours ago, Saint NL said:

 

Surely his days are numbered if Blackmore has turned on him

I wonder if he’s being uncharacteristically forthright because he knows we have someone lined up for next season? Easier to be vocal when you know any upset will only last 2 months maximum.

[Football Special]

14 hours ago, SOTONSEASTSIDE said:

(W) Ankersons finest manargerial pick!!!

Picked using same statistical methodology as Jones I think, points gained per pound exceeding expected position vs budget but no actual analysis of how he manages teams and which players were at the clubs 

Edited 20 hours ago by Football Special

[Wade Garrett]

31 minutes ago, Oisin said:

I wonder if he’s being uncharacteristically forthright because he knows we have someone lined up for next season? Easier to be vocal when you know any upset will only last 2 months maximum.

He wasn’t so vocal with Martin.  Fucking lickspittle.

[Wade Garrett]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Picked using same statistical methodology as Jones I think, points gained per pound exceeding expected position vs budget but no actual analysis of how he manages teams and which players were at the clubs 

I hope Spors has thrown all Ankersen’s spreadsheets and irrelevant data analysis in the dustbin.

We need more Brian Clough and less Stephen Hawking.

[stknowle]

49 minutes ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

Excellently put and 100% bang on the money. What is it about this fucking club that it can’t just do normal pragmatism. Jesus Christ.

Edited 20 hours ago by stknowle

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

Brilliant post ☝️ 

The club has been full of bullshit since Reed grabbed the reins post-Koeman. Marketing bollocks replacing substance.

No more straplines, philosophies. Just a focus on the title next season and whatever it takes on spending on a new squad, that is what SR must do. How to secure the 3 points each game is primacy. Spine of athleticism and strength with a brand new goalkeeper.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

If he has yesterday's formation again, there should be a chant of  4  -  4  -  2   at the start of the match. 

It is appreciated a lot of people say you can't polish a turd and this squad is particularly useless but ultimately we've missed a massive trick adopting awful tactics and having players that are noticeably unfit. The sad thing is, most of the fanbase/stadium can see it so why can't the people at the top?

Juric won't be here beyond the summer so does it cost anything to lose him early?

 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

👍🥜

Quite. It's almost as if some people on here argue against the blindingly obviously just to wind people up....

(Wind up merchants? On the Saintsweb? Nah, would never happen. What on Earth are you thinking about Trousers...?)

 

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

I think whatever manager we bring in results will dictate the narrative around them. You can bring in someone ‘normal’ and 3 defeats later people will be finding a stick to beat them with, whether it be playing out the back, formation, players you pick or whatever else people stumble upon.

I don’t think either of our managers this season have helped themselves but at some stage a grown up will have to come along and identify that over 2 seasons in the PL and 5 managers that maybe there is something different at play. 

If your players are quite clearly not good enough then the inevitable bad results will happen. If people are happy to live in a world where they think it’s as simple as ‘play 4 at the back, 3 in midfield, 2 wide players and a striker’ that would suddenly turn everyone happy then good for them but I’m not as deluded as that. Specifically we’ve got the worst strike force in the league and central to that seems to be a kid in his debut season and two guys who failed to help us last time we were in this league and one of whom barely helped when we were in a lesser league. Whatever simple/complex/genius/deluded formation you think we should deploy will always be hampered by that imo. 
 

Oh and btw ‘Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.’

We made a game of it yesterday, as we did last week and as we have done at various times this season under different managers, tactics and philosophy’s but guess what…our lack of goals and our ability to concede them with ease has let us down each time. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Fabrice29

[Whitey Grandad]

29 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think whatever manager we bring in results will dictate the narrative around them. You can bring in someone ‘normal’ and 3 defeats later people will be finding a stick to beat them with, whether it be playing out the back, formation, players you pick or whatever else people stumble upon.

I don’t think either of our managers this season have helped themselves but at some stage a grown up will have to come along and identify that over 2 seasons in the PL and 5 managers that maybe there is something different at play. 

If your players are quite clearly not good enough then the inevitable bad results will happen. If people are happy to live in a world where they think it’s as simple as ‘play 4 at the back, 3 in midfield, 2 wide players and a striker’ that would suddenly turn everyone happy then good for them but I’m not as deluded as that. Specifically we’ve got the worst strike force in the league and central to that seems to be a kid in his debut season and two guys who failed to help us last time we were in this league and one of whom barely helped when we were in a lesser league. Whatever simple/complex/genius/deluded formation you think we should deploy will always be hampered by that imo. 
 

Oh and btw ‘Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.’

We made a game of it yesterday, as we did last week and as we have done at various times this season under different managers, tactics and philosophy’s but guess what…our lack of goals and our ability to concede them with ease has let us down each time. 

Revolutionary! 
 

Has anyone ever tried this? I would love to see how this works in action.
 

Our lack of goals has a lot to do with not playing anybody up at the spearpoint. We were at home, against Wolves, and what does the clown do? He picks a back five which includes two right backs both playing in the right back position and getting in each other’s way, and Dibling and ‘Show Pony Sulemana’ ©️ as our only attacking threats who are unsurprisingly double marked for most of the first half. It’s no wonder that we spend the whole time passing the ball across the back because that’s where most of our players are. 
 

Fernandes was the one stand out player so Dippy Doric hauls him off for no apparent reason. We all thought that the must have had an injury because there was no other reason for it. It never crossed our minds that Duric might just be clueless.

 

[Bob60]

I think that Juric has to go now or at the end of the season but the players need to take a LOT of the blame, in over fifty years of supporting I don't remember such a lame bunch that seem to give up easily. 

They need to start putting it in all the time for the fans or at least their own professional pride. I would not be sad to lose most of them.

[S-Clarke]

3 hours ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

That's a very good post, and paints the entire picture really clearly there. In essence like you say, we've just made the wrong choices again and again and again. I have zero confidence that the people in charge will make the right calls this summer, as it stands I'm not sure what the future holds for us. I'd take a stab that a Stoke style existence being more than likely in the current guise. 

All we needed when Martin was dumped is someone to do the basics. Trying to evolve an entire style mid-way with inferior players is foolish and suggests that those behind the scenes have no grip on the standards or abilities of players required. Hopefully they do now, but we've had to suffer whilst those idiots above slowly realise.

[Wade Garrett]

11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's a very good post, and paints the entire picture really clearly there. In essence like you say, we've just made the wrong choices again and again and again. I have zero confidence that the people in charge will make the right calls this summer, as it stands I'm not sure what the future holds for us. I'd take a stab that a Stoke style existence being more than likely in the current guise. 

All we needed when Martin was dumped is someone to do the basics. Trying to evolve an entire style mid-way with inferior players is foolish and suggests that those behind the scenes have no grip on the standards or abilities of players required. Hopefully they do now, but we've had to suffer whilst those idiots above slowly realise.

I think Dragan has recognised the ridiculously bad decision-making at the club which is why one of the idiots has left and the other sidelined for Spors.

Here’s hoping for a change in philosophy this Summer and a new manager.

Im also hoping that our transfer business is more about getting wins and less about trying to be too clever-bollocks.

This current side needs to be totally dismantled.  I get the lack of ability, but that bothers me far less than the lack of effort.   I would be happy for them all to be moved on apart from  Ramsdale (unlikely), KWP(unlikely) Fernandes and Wellington (who I think could become very decent).  The rest are a load of fucking lazy cunts who don’t play for the shirt.  Absolutely no personal pride in their performances.  Wankers.

Edited 17 hours ago by Wade Garrett

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think whatever manager we bring in results will dictate the narrative around them. You can bring in someone ‘normal’ and 3 defeats later people will be finding a stick to beat them with, whether it be playing out the back, formation, players you pick or whatever else people stumble upon.

I don’t think either of our managers this season have helped themselves but at some stage a grown up will have to come along and identify that over 2 seasons in the PL and 5 managers that maybe there is something different at play. 

If your players are quite clearly not good enough then the inevitable bad results will happen. If people are happy to live in a world where they think it’s as simple as ‘play 4 at the back, 3 in midfield, 2 wide players and a striker’ that would suddenly turn everyone happy then good for them but I’m not as deluded as that. Specifically we’ve got the worst strike force in the league and central to that seems to be a kid in his debut season and two guys who failed to help us last time we were in this league and one of whom barely helped when we were in a lesser league. Whatever simple/complex/genius/deluded formation you think we should deploy will always be hampered by that imo. 
 

Oh and btw ‘Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.’

We made a game of it yesterday, as we did last week and as we have done at various times this season under different managers, tactics and philosophy’s but guess what…our lack of goals and our ability to concede them with ease has let us down each time. 

If you think we made a game of it yesterday then think you were either watching a different game to quite a large number of people around me, in the pub and who I went with or you don’t have a scoobie or posting to get bites.

Wolves were terrible we were worse due to the formation and team selection if you can’t see that then I’m wasting my time answering you.

You posted recently about the players recruited being the wrong type physically which I totally agree with so there is hope for you.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

This current side needs to be totally dismantled.  I get the lack of ability, but that bothers me far less than the lack of effort.   I would be happy for them all to be moved on apart from  Ramsdale (unlikely), KWP(unlikely) Fernandes and Wellington (who I think could become very decent).  The rest are a load of fucking lazy cunts who don’t play for the shirt.  Absolutely no personal pride in their performances.  Wankers.

I wouldn't be against that at all, this summer needs a root and branch reset. This is not just fixing the problems from this season, it goes back years and the players who have been here throughout that need to go. We've really got to be ruthless and reset it all, otherwise we're just going to enter the same circle of potentially getting promotion and starting with Armstrong, Bednarek and Stephens again - those guys are not good enough. They might be good enough for the Championship, but I think the club need to look beyond that if they really want to build something worthwhile and stable. 

Ronnie Edwards is a good example of a player who has the potential to become a decent PL player, ditto Charles, so those are the sorts we need to be pitting our time against. Forget Bednarek, Armstrong and Stephens - they've had their time here.

Interesting you mention Wellington by the way, he was ok when he was part of the team, he got nutmegged in one game and got hauled at half time - never to be seen again. Not quite sure what that's about, another question mark over the managers decision making where players like Sulemana continue to stink the place out, but Fernandes and Wellington are treated as the fall guys.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's a very good post, and paints the entire picture really clearly there. In essence like you say, we've just made the wrong choices again and again and again. I have zero confidence that the people in charge will make the right calls this summer, as it stands I'm not sure what the future holds for us. I'd take a stab that a Stoke style existence being more than likely in the current guise. 

All we needed when Martin was dumped is someone to do the basics. Trying to evolve an entire style mid-way with inferior players is foolish and suggests that those behind the scenes have no grip on the standards or abilities of players required. Hopefully they do now, but we've had to suffer whilst those idiots above slowly realise.

That Oisin post was excellent and articulated well what many have to say, he's getting a lot of likes for it. And it's telling that the only poster to pull him up on it is the usual club stooge.

We're the mugs who fork out to watch this shower of shit week after week. After week, after week…but I noticed the Directors box looked a bit sparse yesterday, even those getting freebies can’t stomach this shit any more. Was it lonely in there Fabrice or were you one of the no-shows?

[Fabrice29]

46 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

If you think we made a game of it yesterday then think you were either watching a different game to quite a large number of people around me, in the pub and who I went with or you don’t have a scoobie or posting to get bites.

Wolves were terrible we were worse due to the formation and team selection if you can’t see that then I’m wasting my time answering you.

You posted recently about the players recruited being the wrong type physically which I totally agree with so there is hope for you.

Yesterdays biggest problem was our lack of attacking threat. No formation or team selection changes that and my evidence would be pretty much every other game this season we've probably cursed the lack of quality attacking players and yet we've played various different formations and selections.

You're welcome to point to evidence to suggest anyone in our current squad could make us a bigger threat depending on where the manager places them on the pitch if you like but our top scorer in the PL this season having 3 goals would suggest you'll struggle to find it.

I'm in no way defending yesterdays selection or tactics btw (i actually had a pop at them during the week and suggested maybe starting without a striker at home to Wolves wouldn't be popular much to somebody on here being equally as outraged by my suggestion) and nor am I defending this manager but I'm just beyond the point of thinking changing the manager again would be anything other than shifting the blame onto someone else for a short period.

[tdmickey3]

58 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

That Oisin post was excellent and articulated well what many have to say, he's getting a lot of likes for it. And it's telling that the only poster to pull him up on it is the usual club stooge.

We're the mugs who fork out to watch this shower of shit week after week. After week, after week…but I noticed the Directors box looked a bit sparse yesterday, even those getting freebies can’t stomach this shit any more. Was it lonely in there Fabrice or were you one of the no-shows?

Fabrice is a troll but posts a lot of words doing it, hopefully Spors will fuck him off out as well

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Fabrice is a troll but posts a lot of words doing it, hopefully Spors will fuck him off out as well

Keep posting fella, one day you'll be right about something. I promise.

[miserableoldgit]

He needs to be put out of his misery. He already looks like a beaten man.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

12 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

He needs to be put out of his misery. He already looks like a beaten man.

To be fair, he looked beaten when he arrived. 

[Midfield_General]

15 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

He needs to be put out of his misery. He already looks like a beaten man.

More to the point, he needs to decide whether that is a centre parting or a side parting. I’ve noticed that he has been unable to truly commit to one or the other ever since his playing days. 

Pin your colours to the mast man. 

[stknowle]

28 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

To be fair, he looked beaten when he arrived. 

Ha yeah his appearance has changed as much as his tactics have.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

We've really got to be ruthless and reset it all, otherwise we're just going to enter the same circle of potentially getting promotion and starting with Armstrong, Bednarek and Stephens again - those guys are not good enough. They might be good enough for the Championship, but I think the club need to look beyond that if they really want to build something worthwhile and stable. 

Ronnie Edwards is a good example of a player who has the potential to become a decent PL player, ditto Charles, so those are the sorts we need to be pitting our time against. Forget Bednarek, Armstrong and Stephens - they've had their time here.

Absolutely top post - but that's probably because I agree with all of it! 😀

There are quite a few that suggest we should keep AA, Bednarek, Stephens etc etc because they're good championship players and they'll get us promoted and then we can buy better next year. I don't agree. At best, we turn in to a yo-yo club and at worst, these players don't achieve and we turn in to a Stoke/West Brom/Coventry/Norwich.

The main hope I have is that we are considerably more wealthy that a lot of clubs. SR were one of the top ten spenders in the premier league last summer and if they direct their spending in the right direction this summer, we can build a quality team.  

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

5 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

He wasn’t so vocal with Martin.  Fucking lickspittle.

This.

Blackmore is fucking useless.

He always has been.

He's only saying it now when he's not losing much if saints blocked his access.

We're shite. Access isn't an advantage these days.

[sadoldgit]

It’s is time that Juric was put out of his, and our, misery. Get Rusk to take over for the rest of the season. He can’t do any worse and he might even scrape three points from the remaining games. I can’t see us getting any more points with Juric at the helm.

[Dark Munster]

10 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I hope Spors has thrown all Ankersen’s spreadsheets and irrelevant data analysis in the dustbin.

We need more Brian Clough and less Stephen Hawking.

I respectfully disagree. Spors should keep and study all of Ankersen's spreadsheets and data very carefully. It'll save him time and give him a head start on exactly what not to do.

[Dark Munster]

On 15/03/2025 at 10:52, AlexLaw76 said:

To think, Juric has been on the SR radar for some time

Incredible

Not just Juric. Jones and RM were also tracked by Ankersen for many months.

Mind boggling incompetence from the self-proclaimed genius.

[bugenhagen]

2 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I respectfully disagree. Spors should keep and study all of Ankersen's spreadsheets and data very carefully. It'll save him time and give him a head start on exactly what not to do.

Yep! Or he can just put it through an inverter, and he will have all the right answers on what to do!

[austsaint]

9 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think Dragan has recognised the ridiculously bad decision-making at the club which is why one of the idiots has left and the other sidelined for Spors.

Here’s hoping for a change in philosophy this Summer and a new manager.

Im also hoping that our transfer business is more about getting wins and less about trying to be too clever-bollocks.

This current side needs to be totally dismantled.  I get the lack of ability, but that bothers me far less than the lack of effort.   I would be happy for them all to be moved on apart from  Ramsdale (unlikely), KWP(unlikely) Fernandes and Wellington (who I think could become very decent).  The rest are a load of fucking lazy cunts who don’t play for the shirt.  Absolutely no personal pride in their performances.  Wankers.

I’m glad you mention Wellington.  Looks more than a decent LB, and is going to be a major asset in the Championship next season.   Baffling that Juric has binned him off, and along with the hauling off of Fernandes; reverting back to 3 CBs and more crazy substitutions , he (Juric) has sealed his fate - surely it has to be caretaker Rusk immediately as a start to clearing the debris.

You can probably add unlikely to the chances of Fernandes staying next season too.   Any possibility snuffed out by Juric’s treatment of him yesterday.

[Gloucester Saint]

A couple of fan videos here which sum up the madness and if the formation and line up don’t make any sense pre-match why on earth was it ever going to work in practice? Hats off to those who keep turning up. Might as well put these fellas in charge, nobody inside the club has the first clue about the sport. Fans so much more clued in than anyone at the club and SR, albeit that’s a very low threshold.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Saint_clark]

8 hours ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Absolutely top post - but that's probably because I agree with all of it! 😀

There are quite a few that suggest we should keep AA, Bednarek, Stephens etc etc because they're good championship players and they'll get us promoted and then we can buy better next year. I don't agree. At best, we turn in to a yo-yo club and at worst, these players don't achieve and we turn in to a Stoke/West Brom/Coventry/Norwich.

The main hope I have is that we are considerably more wealthy that a lot of clubs. SR were one of the top ten spenders in the premier league last summer and if they direct their spending in the right direction this summer, we can build a quality team.  

Stephens was shite in the Championship, but Armstrong and Bednarek we should definitely keep alongside Onuachu and Sulemana. Remember how sharp the drop off in quality is - and the more we keep to be replaced the summer after if we get promoted, the more we have to spend on quality that can step up with us. 

Keepers - none (although Bazunu will probably be first choice)

Defenders - Bree, Sugawara, Bednarek, Wellington, Manning. 

Midfielders - Downes, Edozie, Fernandes, Aribo, Sulemana. 

Forward - Onuachu, Archer, Armstrong. 

 

The rest are either already confirmed as off or shouldn't be retained as they're not even good enough for the Championship. 

[macca155]

13 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Stephens was shite in the Championship, but Armstrong and Bednarek we should definitely keep alongside Onuachu and Sulemana. Remember how sharp the drop off in quality is - and the more we keep to be replaced the summer after if we get promoted, the more we have to spend on quality that can step up with us. 

Keepers - none (although Bazunu will probably be first choice)

Defenders - Bree, Sugawara, Bednarek, Wellington, Manning. 

Midfielders - Downes, Edozie, Fernandes, Aribo, Sulemana. 

Forward - Onuachu, Archer, Armstrong. 

 

The rest are either already confirmed as off or shouldn't be retained as they're not even good enough for the Championship. 

You seemed to have ignored Charles and Edwards, both of whom have done well in the Championship.

Downes and Fernandes  will go, Aribo has alread said hes off. Sulemana, Onuachu, and probably Archer will go. I'd say goodbye to Armstrong as well. Great servant but no future in a team pushing for the Premier League.

Equally I can't see Bree or Bendarek staying and Sugawara's form has been grim so he will want to try pastures new.

I think the new manager will be left with.

Bazuna

Bree Edwards Manning Wellington

Charles, Smallbone, Lallana

Edozie, Stewart, Frazer

Add in Robinson, Ballard,  O'Brien Whitmarsh, and maybe a few others from what is a successful U21 side.

That leaves quite a bit of recruitment required. For me this is why a new manager needs to be resolved right now. They need to start June 1st.

I suspect some names will stay if no one wants them. Let's face it their CV is toxic atm, but I reckon they'll be more of a problem than an asset.

The exceptions are Downes and Archer but they'll have suitors.

 

[Winnersaint]

Although more honest, Ivan Juric is just the Nathan Jones of the Balkans.

[Saint_clark]

12 minutes ago, macca155 said:

You seemed to have ignored Charles and Edwards, both of whom have done well in the Championship.

Downes and Fernandes  will go, Aribo has alread said hes off. Sulemana, Onuachu, and probably Archer will go. I'd say goodbye to Armstrong as well. Great servant but no future in a team pushing for the Premier League.

Equally I can't see Bree or Bendarek staying and Sugawara's form has been grim so he will want to try pastures new.

I think the new manager will be left with.

Bazuna

Bree Edwards Manning Wellington

Charles, Smallbone, Lallana

Edozie, Stewart, Frazer

Add in Robinson, Ballard,  O'Brien Whitmarsh, and maybe a few others from what is a successful U21 side.

That leaves quite a bit of recruitment required. For me this is why a new manager needs to be resolved right now. They need to start June 1st.

I suspect some names will stay if no one wants them. Let's face it their CV is toxic atm, but I reckon they'll be more of a problem than an asset.

The exceptions are Downes and Archer but they'll have suitors.

 

You're right. I also forgot Wood. 

Getting rid of Sulemana, Onuachu, Archer and Armstrong - who would all perform in the championship, and wouldn't bring much money in right now - would be letting previous bias overrule sensible judgement.