Ivan Juric

[Crab Lungs]

Take me back to Nathan Jones of Selles and his resting defence.

This bloke is completely, utterly shite.

[Oisin]

11 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

There was people on here talking about the new manager being needed to make us more competitive and less of a laughing stock. Actively being pleased that Juric was a breath of fresh air and a taskmaster. Which all sounds wonderful until you lose games on a consistent basis and now he's clueless and guess what we're still a laughing stock and not any more competitive really. We might be slightly different but we're not really any better.

I'm not a massive fan of this guy and I'm not going to launch a huge defence of the bloke but it's really easy to just call managers clueless, woeful, out of their depth etc and demand we appoint a 3rd one and 6th in two PL seasons but unless anyone can convince me anything changes I don't really see the point....?

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

[Oisin]

12 hours ago, Saint NL said:

 

Surely his days are numbered if Blackmore has turned on him

I wonder if he’s being uncharacteristically forthright because he knows we have someone lined up for next season? Easier to be vocal when you know any upset will only last 2 months maximum.

[Football Special]

14 hours ago, SOTONSEASTSIDE said:

(W) Ankersons finest manargerial pick!!!

Picked using same statistical methodology as Jones I think, points gained per pound exceeding expected position vs budget but no actual analysis of how he manages teams and which players were at the clubs 

Edited 2 hours ago by Football Special

[Wade Garrett]

31 minutes ago, Oisin said:

I wonder if he’s being uncharacteristically forthright because he knows we have someone lined up for next season? Easier to be vocal when you know any upset will only last 2 months maximum.

He wasn’t so vocal with Martin.  Fucking lickspittle.

[Wade Garrett]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Picked using same statistical methodology as Jones I think, points gained per pound exceeding expected position vs budget but no actual analysis of how he manages teams and which players were at the clubs 

I hope Spors has thrown all Ankersen’s spreadsheets and irrelevant data analysis in the dustbin.

We need more Brian Clough and less Stephen Hawking.

[stknowle]

49 minutes ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

Excellently put and 100% bang on the money. What is it about this fucking club that it can’t just do normal pragmatism. Jesus Christ.

Edited 2 hours ago by stknowle

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

Brilliant post ☝️ 

The club has been full of bullshit since Reed grabbed the reins post-Koeman. Marketing bollocks replacing substance.

No more straplines, philosophies. Just a focus on the title next season and whatever it takes on spending on a new squad, that is what SR must do. How to secure the 3 points each game is primacy. Spine of athleticism and strength with a brand new goalkeeper.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

If he has yesterday's formation again, there should be a chant of  4  -  4  -  2   at the start of the match. 

It is appreciated a lot of people say you can't polish a turd and this squad is particularly useless but ultimately we've missed a massive trick adopting awful tactics and having players that are noticeably unfit. The sad thing is, most of the fanbase/stadium can see it so why can't the people at the top?

Juric won't be here beyond the summer so does it cost anything to lose him early?

 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

👍🥜

Quite. It's almost as if some people on here argue against the blindingly obviously just to wind people up....

(Wind up merchants? On the Saintsweb? Nah, would never happen. What on Earth are you thinking about Trousers...?)

 

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

You paint this in a very binary way; just because Juric is terrible doesn’t mean that RM wasn’t and didn’t need removing. Or that Juric should stay.

Yes the squad is easily one of (probably the) worst in the league, so relegation irrespective of tactics was probable. But, as Luton demonstrated (and dozens of lower league side in FA Cup history) there is a way to be competitive when you have inferior players.

We've had one guy obsessed with passing it endlessly a few yards from our own goal, risky when you’re the better footballing team, utterly mental when you’re not. We kept on losing the ball as predicted and surrendered multiple chances every game. Which at this level we’re ruthlessly converted. RM refused to acknowledge or change.

He had to go.

Juric is equally obsessed and wedded to a suicidal tactic, albeit a different type. 3 defenders, but man marking so despite the numbers there’s no defensive shape and at times a huge gaping fucking hole in the middle of the defence. Meanwhile the formation doesn’t allow room for your most threatening players playing in their best positions (Fernandes and Dibling) and when you try and shoe horn them in can only do so by not playing a striker at all.

Its mental.

There are alternatives that would have been better and would still be better. No tactics would change this team from likely relegation to championship challengers but we could have been competitive and not going down as the worst team ever.

Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.

Just because neither of the previous two managers have been able to adopt this simple strategy (except Juric last week when we played better - go figure) doesn’t mean there is no one alive who could. Half the stadium can see this and would manage us better right now, let alone a reserve coach.

Literally every single game is pointless right now. We could concede every remaining game 3-0 as it stands right now and probably finish on the same points and better goal difference than if we continue under Juric.

The squad isn’t good enough, the recruitment horrific, we’ve not managed to replace Ings in 4+ years or Fonte in over 5. And our bosses seem incapable of identifying anyone other than a lunatic or bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead as a manager. So yes, relegation was always likely. But this doesn’t absolve Juric of responsibility for being a bonkers formation-obsessed intransigent knobhead.

He has to go.

I think whatever manager we bring in results will dictate the narrative around them. You can bring in someone ‘normal’ and 3 defeats later people will be finding a stick to beat them with, whether it be playing out the back, formation, players you pick or whatever else people stumble upon.

I don’t think either of our managers this season have helped themselves but at some stage a grown up will have to come along and identify that over 2 seasons in the PL and 5 managers that maybe there is something different at play. 

If your players are quite clearly not good enough then the inevitable bad results will happen. If people are happy to live in a world where they think it’s as simple as ‘play 4 at the back, 3 in midfield, 2 wide players and a striker’ that would suddenly turn everyone happy then good for them but I’m not as deluded as that. Specifically we’ve got the worst strike force in the league and central to that seems to be a kid in his debut season and two guys who failed to help us last time we were in this league and one of whom barely helped when we were in a lesser league. Whatever simple/complex/genius/deluded formation you think we should deploy will always be hampered by that imo. 
 

Oh and btw ‘Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.’

We made a game of it yesterday, as we did last week and as we have done at various times this season under different managers, tactics and philosophy’s but guess what…our lack of goals and our ability to concede them with ease has let us down each time. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Fabrice29

[Whitey Grandad]

29 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think whatever manager we bring in results will dictate the narrative around them. You can bring in someone ‘normal’ and 3 defeats later people will be finding a stick to beat them with, whether it be playing out the back, formation, players you pick or whatever else people stumble upon.

I don’t think either of our managers this season have helped themselves but at some stage a grown up will have to come along and identify that over 2 seasons in the PL and 5 managers that maybe there is something different at play. 

If your players are quite clearly not good enough then the inevitable bad results will happen. If people are happy to live in a world where they think it’s as simple as ‘play 4 at the back, 3 in midfield, 2 wide players and a striker’ that would suddenly turn everyone happy then good for them but I’m not as deluded as that. Specifically we’ve got the worst strike force in the league and central to that seems to be a kid in his debut season and two guys who failed to help us last time we were in this league and one of whom barely helped when we were in a lesser league. Whatever simple/complex/genius/deluded formation you think we should deploy will always be hampered by that imo. 
 

Oh and btw ‘Playing a back 4, three central midfielders (one being Fernandes getting forward), 2 threatening wide players and a central striker would provide shape, numbers in midfield and a threat. We’d lose more than we’d win, we’d go down, but we’d at least make a game of it.’

We made a game of it yesterday, as we did last week and as we have done at various times this season under different managers, tactics and philosophy’s but guess what…our lack of goals and our ability to concede them with ease has let us down each time. 

Revolutionary! 
 

Has anyone ever tried this? I would love to see how this works in action.
 

Our lack of goals has a lot to do with not playing anybody up at the spearpoint. We were at home, against Wolves, and what does the clown do? He picks a back five which includes two right backs both playing in the right back position and getting in each other’s way, and Dibling and ‘Show Pony Sulemana’ ©️ as our only attacking threats who are unsurprisingly double marked for most of the first half. It’s no wonder that we spend the whole time passing the ball across the back because that’s where most of our players are. 
 

Fernandes was the one stand out player so Dippy Doric hauls him off for no apparent reason. We all thought that the must have had an injury because there was no other reason for it. It never crossed our minds that Duric might just be clueless.

 

[Bob60]

I think that Juric has to go now or at the end of the season but the players need to take a LOT of the blame, in over fifty years of supporting I don't remember such a lame bunch that seem to give up easily. 

They need to start putting it in all the time for the fans or at least their own professional pride. I would not be sad to lose most of them.