Ivan Juric

[Wade Garrett]

16 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Obvious and Outstanding not quite the same.

Alan Ball was obvious and it worked brilliantly but he wasn't outstanding - he was managing Exeter City when he joined us and not that well. Still a genius appointment though.

Pardew maybe as good as manager as we could get in L1 and Hoddle definitely was an outstanding candidate. Mark Hughes was obvious in that he's the guy you call when you're desperate and have run out of foreign coaches.

We should have got Redknapp from Bournemouth 100%, he could have been a Saints legend and/or bankrupted us or both.

We should have got Eddie Howe when we had the chance.

[Dman]

9 hours ago, Zorba said:

Because he wasn’t a mid table Championship manager then. 

Why do we set our sights so low?

Who on earth are you expecting us to attract? we're a side who's about to break the all time PL low points record. We're not flush with cash and we need a rebuild. 

Rohl, being a "mid table championship manager" (7 points off play-offs) with a side like Sheff Weds is an incredible achievement. They are a side who were almost certainly going down when he took after last season. 

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

Who on earth are you expecting us to attract? we're a side who's about to break the all time PL low points record. We're not flush with cash and we need a rebuild. 

Rohl, being a "mid table championship manager" (7 points off play-offs) with a side like Sheff Weds is an incredible achievement. They are a side who were almost certainly going down when he took after last season. 

Agreed. In my eyes Rohl's done a lot more for Wednesday than Martin did for Swansea at the time we appointed him.

[Gloucester Saint]

Steve Cooper would be my first choice but happy to get aboard the Rohl train if that’s what happens, and does seem likely. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

4 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

They always seem to go left field with their choices, but if they go for Rohl it's the first 'no brainer' appointment they've gone with.

Everything aligns with him, what with our new DoF, the style of football the manager and DoF support, the foundations laid by Ralph, his familiarity with the club etc. 

Let's see what happens. The Jury is still out as SR are not known to make sensible choices

The difference is that SR have had a bit of a clearout of the people at the top and with the DoF supporting Rohl's style of play, I'm expecting this to happen.

There's even a thought that when they approached Rohl last year and he effectively said wait until the end of the season, Spors was recruited to support Rohl's style of football.

[trousers]

I was hoping we'd go for Beethoven Javier but having just realised he passed away in 2017 I'd have Rohl over Beethoven any day of the week. 

[HarvSFC]

Seem to be going with the same tactic we used to get Martin in terms of compensation fees and being a Championship club.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

I'm OK with the prospect of Rohl coming in, I've read of a few reservations amongst fans concerned that Wednesday's recent form is sketchy but for a club of their size player quality is limited. And could any drop in form have coincided with the constant rumours about him coming here? Things like this must affect morale, but despite the links he still appears to be liked and respected up there. It's happened before.

[RedWillie]

More and more tabloid 'noise' that Juric is finished here.  

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 hours ago, Dman said:

Who on earth are you expecting us to attract? we're a side who's about to break the all time PL low points record. We're not flush with cash and we need a rebuild. 

Rohl, being a "mid table championship manager" (7 points off play-offs) with a side like Sheff Weds is an incredible achievement. They are a side who were almost certainly going down when he took after last season. 

And Jones revived a shit Luton team. McKenna took Ipswich up two leagues yet both flopped in the prem . I don’t really get the hype with rohl..  part of me would prefer juric over rohl as juric sounds like he wants to build something with us .. Rohl on the other hand has that kind of profile that if he does half decent he will get poached this is a bit of a issue with the upcoming manager types 

[Zorba]

5 hours ago, Dman said:

Who on earth are you expecting us to attract? we're a side who's about to break the all time PL low points record. We're not flush with cash and we need a rebuild. 

Rohl, being a "mid table championship manager" (7 points off play-offs) with a side like Sheff Weds is an incredible achievement. They are a side who were almost certainly going down when he took after last season. 

Who on earth are you expecting us to attract?

I would hope we could lure a promising manager with proven success from a european league. We did well with Poch, Koeman and Ralph.

We're a side who's about to break the all time PL low points record.

This is, in part, due to appointing previous mid-table Championship managers. 

We're not flush with cash and we need a rebuild. 

This is also, in part, due to appointing previous mid-table Championship managers. 

Rohl, being a "mid table championship manager" (7 points off play-offs) with a side like Sheff Weds is an incredible achievement. They are a side who were almost certainly going down when he took after last season. 

SW currently sit 13th with 2 wins in 11 games. I’m not saying Rohl is a bad manager but he’s hardly setting the world alight. I am saying, in my opinion, we need better. How Dragan acheives this is his business but I don’t believe another mid Championship manager is the answer. I also don’t think Rohl could keep us in the Prem even if he did manage to get us promoted. I would be very happy to be wrong though.

 

[Badger]

2 hours ago, RedWillie said:

More and more tabloid 'noise' that Juric is finished here.  

It’s not more noise though, it’s more of an echo. One outlet runs the ‘story’, and several others just repeat it. 

[trousers]

2 hours ago, RedWillie said:

More and more tabloid 'noise' that Juric is finished here.  

It’s not more noise though, it’s more of an echo. One outlet runs the ‘story’, and several others just repeat it

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Zorba said:

I would hope we could lure a promising manager with proven success from a european league. We did well with Poch, Koeman and Ralph.

None of which would have joined a Championship club.

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

I was hoping we'd go for Beethoven Javier but having just realised he passed away in 2017 I'd have Rohl over Beethoven any day of the week. 

One of your best trousers 👏

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Zorba said:

Who on earth are you expecting us to attract?

I would hope we could lure a promising manager with proven success from a european league. We did well with Poch, Koeman and Ralph.

We're a side who's about to break the all time PL low points record.

This is, in part, due to appointing previous mid-table Championship managers. 

We're not flush with cash and we need a rebuild. 

This is also, in part, due to appointing previous mid-table Championship managers. 

Rohl, being a "mid table championship manager" (7 points off play-offs) with a side like Sheff Weds is an incredible achievement. They are a side who were almost certainly going down when he took after last season. 

SW currently sit 13th with 2 wins in 11 games. I’m not saying Rohl is a bad manager but he’s hardly setting the world alight. I am saying, in my opinion, we need better. How Dragan acheives this is his business but I don’t believe another mid Championship manager is the answer. I also don’t think Rohl could keep us in the Prem even if he did manage to get us promoted. I would be very happy to be wrong though.

 

As pointed out above Poch, Koeman and Ralph joined us in PL. What proven success did Poch have out of interest and why do you rate "a European league" ahead of The Championship? Did Jurics success in a European league satisfy you?

Secondly, why do you believe Rohls results at Sheffield Wednesday are his limit and the only thing you can judge him on? Do you believe results are the only barometer of whether a manager is good or not? Is there no room for context like expectation etc or are you really saying the only way to judge a manager is "where are they in a league now? 13th, not good enough". In which case, I go back to the proven success Poch had that satisfied you so much.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Not saying Rohl is the answer for sure but there are two points I’d make. Firstly, my SW supporting friend doesn’t want us to poach Rohl - they think he’s a top chap. Secondly, despite their current position and results, I reckon they’d have a good chance of beating this current Saints side.

[Shropshire Saint]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Not saying Rohl is the answer for sure but there are two points I’d make. Firstly, my SW supporting friend doesn’t want us to poach Rohl - they think he’s a top chap. Secondly, despite their current position and results, I reckon they’d have a good chance of beating this current Saints side.

I also have a SW supporting frienf who saya much the same about Rohl. On your second point I think most Championship sides would beat the current team. 

[Zorba]

8 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Do you believe results are the only barometer of whether a manager is good or not?

Call me old fashioned…

[CB Fry]

5 hours ago, Shropshire Saint said:

I also have a SW supporting frienf who saya much the same about Rohl. On your second point I think most Championship sides would beat the current team. 

Except we have played Championship teams this season and beaten most of them.

[beatlesaint]

29 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Except we have played Championship teams this season and beaten most of them.

We beat Stoke’s reserves eventually but failed to overcome the might of Burnley’s second eleven !

[Turkish]

18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Rohl would probably be the first appointment we've made that would have a collective agreement among the fan base.

Martin had questions around him, Jones did and Juric was a bit of an unknown.

They always seem to go left field with their choices, but if they go for Rohl it's the first 'no brainer' appointment they've gone with.

Everything aligns with him, what with our new DoF, the style of football the manager and DoF support, the foundations laid by Ralph, his familiarity with the club etc. 

Let's see what happens. The Jury is still out as SR are not known to make sensible choices, so we'll see if this pans out as it truly does make sense.

I feel sad for Juric as he seems a decent guy, he's been parachuted into an absolute shit show and he's not been able to do what he wants. Hopefully he can get a new job after this, as his stints at Roma and here have put a massive dent in his reputation.

If Danny Rohl hadn't had this myth about him that everything good that happened when he was here was down to him then i doubt anyone would be that excited. He's clearly a good coach but as we all have seen many times being a good coach doesn't mean you're going to be a good manager. He's done a good job at Wednesday but again how many times have we seen managers do a good job at a struggling club only to fail when managing with higher expections.

Also this nonsense about knowing the club, he probably remembers his way to the training ground and where the bogs are but it's a completely different club to the one he left, new owners, new leaders, a completely different set of players, so the fact he worked here in a different role 7 years ago doesnt really count for much im afraid. 

The jury isn't out on SR either, they've been a disaster, Jones, disaster, Selles, disaster, Martin okay but achieved what was expected then a disaster, Juric disaster, they've got very little right, which means the stuff they have done well, signings like Lavia, Fernandes, Alcarez, Ramsdale which could have formed the basis of a good young team have been overshawdowed but the utter shambles around them.

That said i'm quietly optimistic that Rohl might finally be something they've got right, but i'm going to reserve judgement. He certainly ticks the boxes of a young european manager which is all the rage at the moment (yes MLG i know the Brighton guy was born in the US but he moved to Germany when he was 2)

[Turkish]

17 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

We should have got Eddie Howe when we had the chance.

some of our experts on here slagged him off as a crap manager who gets teams relegated 😂

[Charlie Wayman]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

If Danny Rohl hadn't had this myth about him that everything good that happened when he was here was down to him then i doubt anyone would be that excited. He's clearly a good coach but as we all have seen many times being a good coach doesn't mean you're going to be a good manager. He's done a good job at Wednesday but again how many times have we seen managers do a good job at a struggling club only to fail when managing with higher expections.

Also this nonsense about knowing the club, he probably remembers his way to the training ground and where the bogs are but it's a completely different club to the one he left, new owners, new leaders, a completely different set of players, so the fact he worked here in a different role 7 years ago doesnt really count for much im afraid. 

The jury isn't out on SR either, they've been a disaster, Jones, disaster, Selles, disaster, Martin okay but achieved what was expected then a disaster, Juric disaster, they've got very little right, which means the stuff they have done well, signings like Lavia, Fernandes, Alcarez, Ramsdale which could have formed the basis of a good young team have been overshawdowed but the utter shambles around them.

That said i'm quietly optimistic that Rohl might finally be something they've got right, but i'm going to reserve judgement. He certainly ticks the boxes of a young european manager which is all the rage at the moment (yes MLG i know the Brighton guy was born in the US but he moved to Germany when he was 2)

Agree except for the highlighted sentence which seem to contradict your earlier comments. I do not share your confidence

[CB Fry]

19 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

We beat Stoke’s reserves eventually but failed to overcome the might of Burnley’s second eleven !

The point is we had all this shite last time - we're going straight through to league one etc etc etc.

Next season we will up there challenging top 2 hopefully, in the top 6 mix for sure.

We've loaned out players - Armstrong, Charles, Ronnie - that are being hero worshipped at the Championship clubs they've turned up at.

Edited yesterday at 08:21 by CB Fry

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Zorba said:

Call me old fashioned…

They should just change team names to managers names then. The league table would be much more reflective of your reality.

Edited yesterday at 08:25 by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

I know this place is weirdly obsessed with our manager not being friends with the players and not giving days off but the thing we will have to do is galvanise a beaten up squad again and get them fully invested and alongside the manager. Rohl has proven experience of doing that so it’s a good move for me. 

[Whitey Grandad]

18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Rohl would probably be the first appointment we've made that would have a collective agreement among the fan base.

Martin had questions around him, Jones did and Juric was a bit of an unknown.

They always seem to go left field with their choices, but if they go for Rohl it's the first 'no brainer' appointment they've gone with.

Everything aligns with him, what with our new DoF, the style of football the manager and DoF support, the foundations laid by Ralph, his familiarity with the club etc. 

Let's see what happens. The Jury is still out as SR are not known to make sensible choices, so we'll see if this pans out as it truly does make sense.

I feel sad for Juric as he seems a decent guy, he's been parachuted into an absolute shit show and he's not been able to do what he wants. Hopefully he can get a new job after this, as his stints at Roma and here have put a massive dent in his reputation.

Juric didn’t have to take the job but he was probably at a loose end and saw the opportunity to pick up some money and pay off a few bills. He does seem a bit half-hearted at it though.

The rest I agree with.

[Convict Colony]

I dont know I think Rohl will do a much better job than martin and importantly I think he has more growth potential to get better.

He knows what good coaches and elite clubs do, how good players should perform and has shown he turned around a dead and buried weds last season and is making them midtable this season with no money and a owner who is terrible.

He's worked at.

Red Bull Lepizeg - Analyst

Southampton - Assistant Manager

Bayern Munich - Analyst/Assistant Manager

German National team - Assistant Manager

Sheff Weds - Manager

Edited yesterday at 08:44 by Convict Colony

[goodymatt]

Martin turned out to be a decent appointment for the championship and did achieve the target of promotion. Warning signs were there from the 4 consecutive defeats in September and the number/type of goals we were conceding at that level, but I bought into the idea of an up and coming manager learning on the job. Ultimately he either didn’t learn fast enough for our PL needs and/or wasn’t prepared to change his philosophy. The squad (he played a big part in recruiting) just wasn’t good enough too. He was let down by the club not hiring a director of footy to guide him, very much out of his depth.

Juric has taken on an impossible job and looks to be positioned as the fall guy now taking the negativity on the chin so that any replacement can come in with a fresh start and a chance to build momentum. His track record suggests he can build hard to beat sides and I do think if he’d arrived instead of Jones he would have given it a better go. Hard to tell if his crazy team selections are his standard mindset or just trying anything and everything to prod us with a stick to actually do something. Man to man marking has been a disaster and our current players are not in any way suited to it. Another stubborn manager it seems.

Rohl might have not achieved anything more in terms of league position than Martin but he’s kept a league one squad up under mental ownership and no money and now has them comfortably mid table and safe. He’s overachieving with resources, whereas Martin has worked to expectations. Experience of being an assistant manager at Leipzig, Saints, Bayern and Germany shouldn’t be ignored. His 4-2-3-1 is my preferred formation and he seems to be able to motivate a club in crisis. Having any sort of history with our club and our new director of football just makes this appointment seem logical. As others have mentioned, it’s always a good sign when the idea of a manager leaving a club is met with universal concern. Let’s see if it happens.

[Football Special]

22 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I know this place is weirdly obsessed with our manager not being friends with the players and not giving days off but the thing we will have to do is galvanise a beaten up squad again and get them fully invested and alongside the manager. Rohl has proven experience of doing that so it’s a good move for me. 

I'm hoping we'll have enough turnover of players that the negative losing mentality won't be such a weight around our shoulders. 

Players returning from loans like Edwards, Edozie, Charles and perhaps A. Armstrong will have spent enough time away from the club combined with a couple of new signings and a few loans it should feel like a fresh start again without too much "scar tissue" , a few positive results will be enough to get fans back on side so a good start will be important 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

If you want to see the current Wed fans’ take on all this click the links. Two separate threads about it on that forum, a few quotes like this for some questioning their recent form

“I agree the recent results have been poor but I would say we are playing our best football and creating more chances than we have all season .

I think maybe people are confusing a lack of quality with lack of motivation”

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/337415-danny-röhl-walked/
 

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336967-röhl-to-southampton-dont-hate-me-lol/page/23/#comments

Edited yesterday at 09:57 by TheAlehouseBrawlers
Typo

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

I'm hoping we'll have enough turnover of players that the negative losing mentality won't be such a weight around our shoulders. 

Players returning from loans like Edwards, Edozie, Charles and perhaps A. Armstrong will have spent enough time away from the club combined with a couple of new signings and a few loans it should feel like a fresh start again without too much "scar tissue" , a few positive results will be enough to get fans back on side so a good start will be important 

Agreed. I also hope we keep Archer as an option up front with a new target man striker. Something like 

Bazunu 

Bree/New RB Wood Edwards Wellington 

Smallbone/New CM Charles 

Armstrong Fernandes (optimistic) Edozie

Archer/ New Striker 

Would mean that only a handful of players remained from this season. Selling Dibling, Ramsdale, THB, Sulemana, Onuachu and Downes if that is what we end up doing should allow us to get in some top quality replacements for the Championship. Conservatively that should net us at least £100 million.

 

[Toussaint]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

One of your best trousers 👏

How do you know what he is wearing?

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Agreed. I also hope we keep Archer as an option up front with a new target man striker. Something like 

Bazunu 

Bree/New RB Wood Edwards Wellington 

Smallbone/New CM Charles 

Armstrong Fernandes (optimistic) Edozie

Archer/ New Striker 

Would mean that only a handful of players remained from this season. Selling Dibling, Ramsdale, THB, Sulemana, Onuachu and Downes if that is what we end up doing should allow us to get in some top quality replacements for the Championship. Conservatively that should net us at least £100 million.

 

I understand the idea that retaining some of the ‘better’ Championship level players from this season and selling the players that might be considered ‘Prem’ level might be the right way to go about things. The problem is, very few of the current squad are Prem level players and in fact I’d argue that some are not good enough for a team attempting to be in the top 6 of the Championship. Of those listed, IMO Bazunu, Bree, Smallbone and Edozie are not good enough and I’m thinking that if keep that level of player we’ll not be challenging for promotion. In terms of CB, you can get away with one of the pairing being sub-Prem standard, but not two as with Woods/Edwards, so for me one of those would be out along with Bednarek, Stephens and ABK. THB I would keep if possible.

Onto the £100m worth of ‘talent’ you’ve listed. I’m less bullish - based on this seasons performances and selling as a relegated club, there’s not going to be that much coming in… Dibling - £30m, Rambo - £20m, Sulemana - £10m, THB - £10m, Onuachu - £8m, Downes - £8m ….so £86m tops.

Having said all that, as per usual I am preparing myself for another summer of utterly underwhelming trading. Players that have contributed to bringing the club into disrepute will be given a chance to redeem themselves in the hope that they’ll suddenly shake off the shame of this season. There will not be the appetitive to cull some of the culprits of the dogshite performances over several seasons. Unless Spors is a ruthless MF and does what’s needed to exorcise the ghosts of SR’s incompetence.

In short, I’ve always thought that a newly relegated side must strengthen its squad for a serious promotion push as there was a good reason for the relegation! In our case, that’s as plain to see as the nose on your face.

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I understand the idea that retaining some of the ‘better’ Championship level players from this season and selling the players that might be considered ‘Prem’ level might be the right way to go about things. The problem is, very few of the current squad are Prem level players and in fact I’d argue that some are not good enough for a team attempting to be in the top 6 of the Championship. Of those listed, IMO Bazunu, Bree, Smallbone and Edozie are not good enough and I’m thinking that if keep that level of player we’ll not be challenging for promotion. In terms of CB, you can get away with one of the pairing being sub-Prem standard, but not two as with Woods/Edwards, so for me one of those would be out along with Bednarek, Stephens and ABK. THB I would keep if possible.

Onto the £100m worth of ‘talent’ you’ve listed. I’m less bullish - based on this seasons performances and selling as a relegated club, there’s not going to be that much coming in… Dibling - £30m, Rambo - £20m, Sulemana - £10m, THB - £10m, Onuachu - £8m, Downes - £8m ….so £86m tops.

Having said all that, as per usual I am preparing myself for another summer of utterly underwhelming trading. Players that have contributed to bringing the club into disrepute will be given a chance to redeem themselves in the hope that they’ll suddenly shake off the shame of this season. There will not be the appetitive to cull some of the culprits of the dogshite performances over several seasons. Unless Spors is a ruthless MF and does what’s needed to exorcise the ghosts of SR’s incompetence.

In short, I’ve always thought that a newly relegated side must strengthen its squad for a serious promotion push as there was a good reason for the relegation! In our case, that’s as plain to see as the nose on your face.

I don't understand the logic of that. We had them in the squad last time and we were challenging for promotion because they are decent championship players. Once we get into the prem then of course they aren't good enough but that's a different matter. 

In my opinion your valuations are absolutely ridiculous. There is a 0% chance that we get 10 million for THB and it's very unlikely that we let Downes go for 8. At the absolute worst THB will go for 20 but likely higher given he's played for England with us and we aren't going to make a loss on what we paid for him. We strengthened well last time we were in the Championship and with money coming in and looking financially healthy compared to other championship clubs, we should be able to do the same again. 

[Fabrice29]

24 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’d argue that some are not good enough for a team attempting to be in the top 6 of the Championship. Of those listed, IMO Bazunu, Bree, Smallbone and Edozie are not good enough and I’m thinking that if keep that level of player we’ll not be challenging for promotion.

Except for the time they all challenged for promotion and finished in the top 6 last year of course. 

[LeGodSquad]

Saw an article the other days on odds for our new manager. Rohl was favourite. Think Liam Manning was high up too. Some guy was pleading the case to me for Steve Cooper at the Brighton game - he was maybe sacked a bit soon by Leicester but he doesn't exactly scream progressive does he?

[LeGodSquad]

7 minutes ago, LeGodSquad said:

Saw an article the other days on odds for our new manager. Rohl was favourite. Think Liam Manning was high up too. Some guy was pleading the case to me for Steve Cooper at the Brighton game - he was maybe sacked a bit soon by Leicester but he doesn't exactly scream progressive does he?

Here it is actually https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/next-southampton-manager-betting-odds/

Think im ok with any of the front 3, then it starts getting a bit more grim. 

[SaintLondon]

Adam Blackmore weighing in on 'his' take..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton 

It's an odd piece really - not quite sure the point of it other than perhaps he knows something and wants to get ahead of the curve. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

Adam Blackmore weighing in on 'his' take..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton 

It's an odd piece really - not quite sure the point of it other than perhaps he knows something and wants to get ahead of the curve. 

Reading that, I get the distinct impression that he believes Rohl will be here come the end of the season. Maybe he has been given the inside track on it.

[SaintLondon]

5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Maybe he has been given the inside track on it.

Famously client journalism with Adam. 

[S-Clarke]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

If Danny Rohl hadn't had this myth about him that everything good that happened when he was here was down to him then i doubt anyone would be that excited. He's clearly a good coach but as we all have seen many times being a good coach doesn't mean you're going to be a good manager. He's done a good job at Wednesday but again how many times have we seen managers do a good job at a struggling club only to fail when managing with higher expections.

Also this nonsense about knowing the club, he probably remembers his way to the training ground and where the bogs are but it's a completely different club to the one he left, new owners, new leaders, a completely different set of players, so the fact he worked here in a different role 7 years ago doesnt really count for much im afraid. 

The jury isn't out on SR either, they've been a disaster, Jones, disaster, Selles, disaster, Martin okay but achieved what was expected then a disaster, Juric disaster, they've got very little right, which means the stuff they have done well, signings like Lavia, Fernandes, Alcarez, Ramsdale which could have formed the basis of a good young team have been overshawdowed but the utter shambles around them.

That said i'm quietly optimistic that Rohl might finally be something they've got right, but i'm going to reserve judgement. He certainly ticks the boxes of a young european manager which is all the rage at the moment (yes MLG i know the Brighton guy was born in the US but he moved to Germany when he was 2)

I like what he's done at Wednesday, they weren't a mid-table club when he arrived, they were adrift like ourselves in that league. They had the worst start out of 92 I think. Somehow he managed to scramble them away and they finished relatively comfortably in the end. With the same base of players he's taken them a little further this year as well.

I get peoples scepticism in that he's always been seen as a good coach, but I think his stint at Wednesday has shown he's able to get players on side and doing the things he wants in really challenging circumstances. The comments from Wednesday fans are all pretty telling for me as well. When we got Martin, you had quite a few Swansea fans warning us about propaganda football, errors at the back, goal keeper howlers etc - it played out pretty much as expected. With Wednesday, the general feeling is that they think they've had a special manager and are sad to see him go.

It's obviously still very early days in his career as a manager and he's going to (potentially) be coming into a tough gig in the summer, more so than last year. He'll have expectation 'to win' on him for probably the first time in his career.

Maybe I let SR off a bit by saying the jury's out, but I do think this is their last chance to get it right before they're done here. They have been an absolute disaster, no doubts, but a lot of that has come from them trying to be left field and clever in their recruitment and manager hires - Rohl wouldn't be someone I'd consider as a left field appointment in our circumstances.

Not confirmed yet though, so let's see what happens.

[Doctoroncall]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't understand the logic of that. We had them in the squad last time and we were challenging for promotion because they are decent championship players. Once we get into the prem then of course they aren't good enough but that's a different matter. 

In my opinion your valuations are absolutely ridiculous. There is a 0% chance that we get 10 million for THB and it's very unlikely that we let Downes go for 8. At the absolute worst THB will go for 20 but likely higher given he's played for England with us and we aren't going to make a loss on what we paid for him. We strengthened well last time we were in the Championship and with money coming in and looking financially healthy compared to other championship clubs, we should be able to do the same again. 

I think his point is those players didn’t contribute to the promotion, very much squad players. 

[hypochondriac]

30 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

I think his point is those players didn’t contribute to the promotion, very much squad players. 

We don't know what Edozie is like now after a year of development. The others should be good enough for a decent championship squad. 

[Maggie May]

3 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

Adam Blackmore weighing in on 'his' take..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton 

It's an odd piece really - not quite sure the point of it other than perhaps he knows something and wants to get ahead of the curve. 

Why’s he saying Juric deserves more credit for 9 defeats in 10? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

39 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Why’s he saying Juric deserves more credit for 9 defeats in 10? 

Think you are missing the point. Credit for taking on the job in the first place, shaking up the Martin fan boys in the dressing room, trying to instill some form of discipline to an ill managed squad. Its not worked out on the pitch, but nobody would have got us to PL survival this season. If you think anyone half decent was coming here you are deluded. 

[Football Special]

17 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Why’s he saying Juric deserves more credit for 9 defeats in 10? 

Yeah is he saying he's actually achieved something because we've just got worse from my perspective 

[Maggie May]

46 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Think you are missing the point. Credit for taking on the job in the first place, shaking up the Martin fan boys in the dressing room, trying to instill some form of discipline to an ill managed squad. Its not worked out on the pitch, but nobody would have got us to PL survival this season. If you think anyone half decent was coming here you are deluded. 

He’s done none of that. He’s made us worse.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

40 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

He’s done none of that. He’s made us worse.

You need to read to read my post again. Without your Martin fan boy glasses on