Ivan Juric

[Gloucester Saint]

34 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

You can pay the Home Office for priority decisions -the club will have paid for the 'super priority' option (which costs £1,000) which ensures a decision is made by the next working day. I will assume we sorted that all out yesterday and his visa was approved today.

That’s right https://www.gov.uk/faster-decision-visa-settlement

[Convict Colony]

I like the title of this thread Ivan juric incoming.

It makes it sound like he's been fired by a big artillery piece and is about to hit us.

[Jack]

2 hours ago, danjosaint said:

Only thing with this is Wing backs hugely important and have we even got an aggressive cb, you'll see more aggressive cb's in Sunday league 

 

 

Very aggressive. Just not very available 

[coalman]

26 minutes ago, Jack said:

 

 

Very aggressive. Just not very available 

You should see the Chinese burn he's been working on now hair pulling is out.

Edited Friday at 20:29 by coalman

[Chewy]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Do any one no if he speak good english

In the expectation that he doesn’t, I’ve been doing some swotting up on Serbia-Croat on everyone’s behalf so we can catch the all important words and phrases we expect to hear.

Such as vjerute procesu (trust the process), najbolji funta za funtu menadzer (best pound-for-pound manager), and of course most importantly hrabar (brave).

[Gloucester Saint]

Don’t know if it’s true he was the original choice instead of Jones in 2022? https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-agree-deal-for-manager-they-wanted-instead-of-nathan-jones/

Jones himself on a sticky wicket at Charlton https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/charlton-athletic-nathan-jones-michael-appleton-sacked/

Their fans are just as fed up with him as we were https://intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/28412/on-bike-jones-hit-wonder

Edited Friday at 21:03 by Gloucester Saint

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Just read something that he is a 3 at the back merchant?

hopefully this 6 months passes quickly and he sods off

He is, but with a four in midfield rather than fullbacks as well. We might still see KWP and Manning start but they will be aggressive and higher up the pitch. 

Think more Brentford than what we've been seeing under Russ.

[Chez]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Just read something that he is a 3 at the back merchant?

hopefully this 6 months passes quickly and he sods off

the 3 at the back thing bugs me too, but wasn't Slot a `3 at the back man' and Liverpool haven't played it once since he came. If he watches the first half of this weeks game against Liverpool he won't impose it on us.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly i am surprised that more people weren't aware about him, he has been posted and linked most summers or after sackings on here so he's been in our thinking at least on this forum, i know i posted about him before.

Think he's a decent coach, the interest for me is how does it translate to the premier league, I sense italian based coaches like coming here as there is more freedom to play and an onnus to attack.

 

If things go okay, probably best not to mention "onnus" as it sounds close to where @SNSUN is getting a tattoo. 🙂

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Of course I will give him a chance but don't we just need a 'safe pair of hands'? Somebody that knows the English game inside out and chucks a few cups of tea around. Once again we are just trying to be clever.

[Saint_clark]

35 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

Of course I will give him a chance but don't we just need a 'safe pair of hands'? Somebody that knows the English game inside out and chucks a few cups of tea around. Once again we are just trying to be clever.

"The English game"...what is that nowadays? Juric is going to come in and play a more typically British style of football (defensively compact, counter attacking) than the British manager we just sacked for trying to be Pep. 

[Saint Billy]

I know nothing about this Juric fella so I have to trust SR in their decision. Unfortunately I have no trust or faith in SR which makes it all extra concerning.

 

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

I like the title of this thread Ivan juric incoming.

It makes it sound like he's been fired by a big artillery piece and is about to hit us.

[Wade Garrett]

Doesn’t look like the sort of bloke that vapes like a cunt, bet he’s never been on a skateboard and he hasn’t got a stupid beard.

All major factors that go in his favour in my book.

[Andrew Watson]

Is this Ankersons last throw of the dice ? Still much prefer Robins or Rosenoir in the championship, oh to be proved wrong. 

[washsaint]

Very underwhelmed: for those crying out for a more attacking style, he does not seem the guy to implement it.  Plus he has never managed outside of Italy (I believe) which is hardly a bastion of attacking, free flowing football.

I have a feeling we are in for some extremely turgid football.

Edited Friday at 23:11 by washsaint

[miltonroad]

10 minutes ago, washsaint said:

Very underwhelmed: for those crying out for a more attacking style, he does not seem the guy to implement it.  Plus he has never managed outside of Italy (I believe) which is hardly a bastion of attacking, free flowing football.

I have a feeling we are in for some extremely turgid football.

You’re guessing aren’t you. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

Of course I will give him a chance but don't we just need a 'safe pair of hands'? Somebody that knows the English game inside out and chucks a few cups of tea around. Once again we are just trying to be clever.

There seems to be a bit of that here, with him having attributes they've been looking for when bringing in others.

His already having been very much on SR's thinking before, allows them to pretend they are saving face, and keeping to their underlying goals.

His sides have been more defensively solid, as they wanted when brining Selles in to help Ralph.

He has that pound for pound, over achieving set of results as per a Nathan. That, as per all the others, fits in with the core SR ideas on how to maximise sales.

And he's got a distinctive brand of play, that got him some attention, and a move to Roma. The upward trajectory of Russell, combined with the Nathan set back, Rasmus likes.

Why bring in a Moyes to just get on with it, when you can have all of that going on, in the decision making? 🙂

[Sarnia Cherie]

16 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

There seems to be a bit of that here, with him having attributes they've been looking for when bringing in others.

His already having been very much on SR's thinking before, allows them to pretend they are saving face, and keeping to their underlying goals.

His sides have been more defensively solid, as they wanted when brining Selles in to help Ralph.

He has that pound for pound, over achieving set of results as per a Nathan. That, as per all the others, fits in with the core SR ideas on how to maximise sales.

And he's got a distinctive brand of play, that got him some attention, and a move to Roma. The upward trajectory of Russell, combined with the Nathan set back, Rasmus likes.

Why bring in a Moyes to just get on with it, when you can have all of that going on, in the decision making? 🙂

I was getting hopeful here until you mentioned 'Rasmus likes'. 😟

[washsaint]

30 minutes ago, miltonroad said:

You’re guessing aren’t you. 

Of course, but everything I have read about him and his teams drove my assumptions.  One thing is clear, SR are all over the place and this appointment doesn't seem to sit with the style the owners wanted to see when they appointed Martin.

I hope I'm wrong and he turns out to be great......I just dont think that will be the case, similar feeling to when we appointed Jones.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

30 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

I was getting hopeful here until you mentioned 'Rasmus likes'. 😟

The way it's implemented on the pitch might change. But this does seem to still have a lot of standard SR in it. Rather than just handing it over to someone, with more of a track record.

[saintant]

8 hours ago, washsaint said:

Very underwhelmed: for those crying out for a more attacking style, he does not seem the guy to implement it.  Plus he has never managed outside of Italy (I believe) which is hardly a bastion of attacking, free flowing football.

I have a feeling we are in for some extremely turgid football.

No change there then 🙂

[northam soul]

11 hours ago, coalman said:

You should see the Chinese burn he's been working on now hair pulling is out.

What about a good old fashioned wedgy.

That will leave their forwards bewildered for a few minutes.

[Charlie Wayman]

14 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Just read something that he is a 3 at the back merchant?

hopefully this 6 months passes quickly and he sods off

It can't be his handwriting that you dislike as he hasn't signed a contract yet.

[Wiggles31]

Actually think this is a very good appointment. Risk free with the contract situation and the complete opposite of Martin’s possession borefest. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 minutes ago, northam soul said:

What about a good old fashioned wedgy.

That will leave their forwards bewildered for a few minutes.

I think Atomic Wedgie is the name of one of those Death Metal bands, the new manager likes. 🙂

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, Wiggles31 said:

Actually think this is a very good appointment. Risk free with the contract situation and the complete opposite of Martin’s possession borefest. 

Yes, i tend to agree. For one it'll take some doing to be worse and secondly theser players are gonna find out what hard work is by the sound of it! 

[sadoldgit]

Just as Christmas seems to come around more quickly each year, so does the speed at which a certain section of the supporters write off new managers. Perhaps we should give him at least one game in charge before we decide that he is useless? 

[Kermitzasaint]

10 hours ago, washsaint said:

Very underwhelmed: for those crying out for a more attacking style, he does not seem the guy to implement it.  Plus he has never managed outside of Italy (I believe) which is hardly a bastion of attacking, free flowing football.

I have a feeling we are in for some extremely turgid football.

Why would you say that? Everything about his style is described as aggressive and attacking so why is it suddenly not true? Question how effective he is sure, but to say it's not true at all is bizarre 

[Saint Billy]

13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Just as Christmas seems to come around more quickly each year, so does the speed at which a certain section of the supporters write off new managers. Perhaps we should give him at least one game in charge before we decide that he is useless? 

Yes Sog, but honestly, does his appointment make you moist?

[sadoldgit]

1 minute ago, Saint Billy said:

Yes Sog, but honestly, does his appointment make you moist?

It will do if he actually manages to win some games this season.

[coalman]

[Undertow]

I assume they couldn't afford the £1000 to speed up the visa application?

[Saint Gifford]

Jeezzz, why haven’t we given the job to Ramus already. That clearly is SRs 5 year plan…………………

[Convict Colony]

37 minutes ago, coalman said:

I've been racking my brains cos i knew he looked like someone I'd seen.

Wish you'd posted it earlier as I have spent too much time looking at serbo-croat war criminals 

He does remind me of Sam the Eagle off the muppets

Edited Saturday at 10:12 by Convict Colony

[Mr X]

Looks like sky are Reporting it now as 18 month contract so will be officially confirmed soon 

[Mr X]

Genius or another of ankersons huge fuck ups..... Time will tell 🙏

[Convict Colony]

4 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Genius or another of ankersons huge fuck ups..... Time will tell 🙏

it cannot be worse than we have been this season so only the same or better

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Looks like sky are Reporting it now as 18 month contract so will be officially confirmed soon 

Not the worst thing in the world. Lowe often used to have managers on a 1 year rolling contract. We’re pretty much dead and buried in the premier league, if we decide to jettison this fella in the summer then we pay him a year’s wages. Not ideal, but as the Jesse Marsche situation showed us, you may struggle to get someone you actually want and who isn’t inside the club already to commit to a tenure of 6 months.

I still think there’s a potential benefit for sort of doing a 2022-23. Selles/Juric in place just to run through the games remaining, get rid once the season is done and immediately put in place the new hire with a brief to rebuild the squad over the summer.  This is slightly different as Juric gets more time in place than Seles did, but the principle remains. And if he pulls off the shock of the century and keeps us up or at least gets us looking somewhat decent, maybe he’s not the worst choice for next year anyway.

[Oldandtired]

11 hours ago, washsaint said:

Very underwhelmed: for those crying out for a more attacking style, he does not seem the guy to implement it.  Plus he has never managed outside of Italy (I believe) which is hardly a bastion of attacking, free flowing football.

I have a feeling we are in for some extremely turgid football.

If we manage to get out of our own half after less than 20 me to you to mes it will be a vast improvement.

[SWLondon Saint]

Found a couple of articles about his style of play:

https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/ivan-jurics-torino-the-fun-side-of-serie-a/

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/head-coach-analysis-ivan-juric-201920-tactical-analysis-tactics

He's a Gasperini 'disciple' which judging by how Atalanta play could be great. Looking at when he was at Verona and Torino he's never really gotten decent backing in terms of getting players in, so I guess the hope is we put up a good fight, and he feels happy enough with the club setup that he doesn't mind a season in the Championship building stuff his way, as he's definitely a 'top 5 European leagues' manager going off his Serie A record.

[Sheaf Saint]

This is what Co-pilot has to say about Juric...

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Ivan Juric's managerial style during his time at Italian clubs can be characterized by several key elements:

1. Defensive Solidity: Juric is known for building defensively solid teams that are tough to break down. His teams are well-organized and disciplined, often making it difficult for opponents to find gaps.

2. High Intensity and Physicality: Juric's teams play with high intensity and physicality. They press aggressively and maintain a high work rate throughout matches, which can wear down opponents.

3. Tactical Flexibility: Juric is adaptable in his tactical approach. He often employs a 3-4-2-1 formation, but he is not afraid to adjust his tactics based on the strengths and weaknesses of his team and the opposition.

4. Focus on Team Cohesion: Juric emphasizes the importance of team cohesion and collective effort. His players are expected to work together seamlessly, both in defense and attack.

5. Development of Young Players: Juric has a reputation for developing young talent. He gives opportunities to young players and helps them grow within his tactical system.

Overall, Juric's style is characterized by a strong defensive foundation, high intensity, tactical flexibility, and a focus on team cohesion and player development. His approach has brought success to several clubs in Italy, despite often working with limited resources.

 

So the key takeaways for me are defensive solidity, high intensity and physicality, and tactical flexibility - everything that Martin wasn't, and exactly how a team in our position should be playing.

Whether or not the players are up to it and can make the adjustment from Russball to make it work - that's another question entirely. 

[Saint NL]

The more I read about him, the more I like the idea.

Three at the back, we need to stop conceding. Seems logical.

In KWP and Suga, we have two decent wing backs. They can sling in some crosses.

Downes and Fernandes as the double pivot.

Tall Paul as the target man with Dibling and one other (Armstrong I suppose). 

 

Doesn't sound too bad. Cut out all the suicidal passing in our area, have a bit of a go. There's a lot of shit teams in this league, we should pick up a few points at least.

[Oldandtired]

Just now, Saint NL said:

have a bit of a go. 

That’s all I want. The results almost don’t matter for the rest of this season, I just want to be enthused, entertained and to come away from a match feeling that that’s exactly what they did, have a go.

Just like the second half against Liverpool on Wednesday night.

[gammon cheeks]

High energy , high pressing , solid defensively , attacks at pace ......its a yes from me !

[saintant]

38 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Found a couple of articles about his style of play:

https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/ivan-jurics-torino-the-fun-side-of-serie-a/

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/head-coach-analysis-ivan-juric-201920-tactical-analysis-tactics

He's a Gasperini 'disciple' which judging by how Atalanta play could be great. Looking at when he was at Verona and Torino he's never really gotten decent backing in terms of getting players in, so I guess the hope is we put up a good fight, and he feels happy enough with the club setup that he doesn't mind a season in the Championship building stuff his way, as he's definitely a 'top 5 European leagues' manager going off his Serie A record.

He clearly is fixated on his teams man-marking opponents rather than zones so he'll have his work cut out drilling this into our players because the one thing we never did under RM was man-mark opponents - another major reason we gifted chances and let in so many goals. If he can coach this aspect teams won't find it quite so easy to stroll through us like the proverbial knife through butter and we should become harder to score against. I think Juric will be in for an eye opener when he studies tapes of our games and sees how much work he's taking on. Let's hope he's up to the task because there are some really bad habits that need to be addressed asap.

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

I've been racking my brains cos i knew he looked like someone I'd seen.

Wish you'd posted it earlier as I have spent too much time looking at serbo-croat war criminals 

He does remind me of Sam the Eagle off the muppets

Uhmmm, sorry?

[kitch]

15 hours ago, Jack said:

 

 

Very aggressive. Just not very available 

...and not very good.

[AlexLaw76]

27 minutes ago, gammon cheeks said:

High energy , high pressing , solid defensively , attacks at pace ......its a yes from me !

if this is what he brings, a yes from me. 

As others have said, this is how we should be set up...Bournemouth, Forest, Brentford are good examples..

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

it cannot be worse than we have been this season so only the same or better

The Dutch duo. Pelligrino likes will have us all slitting our wrists tho.