Ivan Juric

[Saint NL]

Based on his post match comments, I'm prepared to give him the Chelsea game so see if he can start to change things.

If he turns out the same team and formation again, he should be sacked an hour before the game.

[Appy]

Bloke is an absolute bluffer, another horrific appointment by this joke of a club. 

[IFHP]

1 hour ago, Dirkdiggler said:

How do the powers in charge fuck up 99% of the appointments they make? 
 

Because they are a bunch of fucking clowns 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Based on his post match comments, I'm prepared to give him the Chelsea game so see if he can start to change things.

If he turns out the same team and formation again, he should be sacked an hour before the game.

What did he say?

[Bewildered]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What did he say?

That he has to find a different way to play because the players can't play the way his other teams played (where to be fair in Serie A for Torino, at least defensively, they did work).

The guy has pretty much ruined his reputation coming here

Edited 7 hours ago by Bewildered

[Saint NL]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What did he say?

"Just spoke to Ivan Juric and asked him about his defensive system, to which he admitted the players seem unable to do it and that he will have to look for an alternative way. "We are not good enough. Now I have to find a way to compete better," he said. "

Maybe I'm expecting too much, but sounds like things will change for the next game.

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, Bewildered said:

That he has to find a different way to play because the players can't play the way his other teams played (where to be fair in Serie A for Torino, at least defensively, they did work).

The guy has pretty much ruined his reputation coming here

Which should have been obvious before he even took the job, and even more weirdness that we chose to appoint someone with a fixed style that was the opposite of the style we were 'built' for. (not built very well mind).

It's just another SR masterclass. We had Ralph here doing that exact same approach, with players more accustomed to doing it. We then spent 18 months ripping that up and building a new style, to then do a full 360 and go back to where we started but now without the players to play it. Absolutely genius.

Edited 7 hours ago by S-Clarke

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

"Just spoke to Ivan Juric and asked him about his defensive system, to which he admitted the players seem unable to do it and that he will have to look for an alternative way. "We are not good enough. Now I have to find a way to compete better," he said. "

Maybe I'm expecting too much, but sounds like things will change for the next game.

6 at the back with 4 full backs 😍

[dsrdorset]

We are just merely pleb football fans. But all of us could see RM failings early on this season, and now we are seeing the same (no, worse!) with this utter clown, Ivan The Terrible. What the hell are the powers that be seeing ffs???

Just pick players in their respective favoured positions, and a system that plays to their strengths! And maybe a rocket up their arseholes so we start to see a bit of passion. This is about as bad as I can remember in 30 years over watching Saints. The players don't look interested, it's an absolute shit show from top to bottom. 

Get rid of him tonight and bring in Rusk to steady the ship until the end of the season. 

[SaintTex]

37 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Did anyone of us really have to see Aribo at centre back to know it wouldn’t work. Seriously.

i am sure he looked great on the training ground against our explosive attack.

[Fabrice29]

7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Which should have been obvious before he even took the job, and even more weirdness that we chose to appoint someone with a fixed style that was the opposite of the style we were 'built' for. (not built very well mind).

It's just another SR masterclass. We had Ralph here doing that exact same approach, with players more accustomed to doing it. We then spent 18 months ripping that up and building a new style, to then do a full 360 and go back to where we started but now without the players to play it. Absolutely genius.

Agree with you here fwiw. Hopefully this new technical director is here for the long term so they can stick to one plan. Would probably mention that quite a lot of fans singing "your football is shit" at the main instigator of the previous style suggests SR were just trying to appease the fans with this change but don't want to sound weird.

[Saint NL]

 

When Arsenal's goalkeeper has more pace than your entire team you know you have an issue...

 

[Roger]

Get rid of Juric tonight he’s absolutely howling 

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, Saint NL said:

 

When Arsenal's goalkeeper has more pace than your entire team you know you have an issue...

 

Was he in a race with James Ward Prowse there?

Edited 7 hours ago by Football Special

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Agree with you here fwiw. Hopefully this new technical director is here for the long term so they can stick to one plan. Would probably mention that quite a lot of fans singing "your football is shit" at the main instigator of the previous style suggests SR were just trying to appease the fans with this change but don't want to sound weird.

Didn't the fans sing that to another manager with a very similar style to Juric?

[Saint NL]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Was he in a race with James Ward Prowse there?

Yeah, maybe that's why he looks fast tbf

[Maggie May]

On 26/01/2025 at 18:24, Maggie May said:

We’re regressing further than I thought we would. We would have surpassed the 12 points if we’d stuck with RM. 
 

This is an absolute fact.

[Chez]

34 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

"Just spoke to Ivan Juric and asked him about his defensive system, to which he admitted the players seem unable to do it and that he will have to look for an alternative way. "We are not good enough. Now I have to find a way to compete better," he said. "

Maybe I'm expecting too much, but sounds like things will change for the next game.

about fucking time.

[Harry_SFC]

19 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

This is an absolute fact.

Well it isn't, is it? 

Juric technically still has a better ppg ratio than Martin did, so at least wait until he doesn't to start talking up RM again. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Harry_SFC

[The Kraken]

19 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

This is an absolute fact.

 

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

Well it isn't, is it? 

No. These twats we’re at an extreme low and getting worse when Martin was in his last throes. The 0-5 to halftime against Spurs showed exactly where life under Martin with this lot was headed. Juric has simply carried that onwards, we got a bit better at first then promptly reverted to type. 

[trousers]

23 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

This is an absolute fact.

Resist temptation trousers, resist! 

[Football Special]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

 

No. These twats we’re at an extreme low and getting worse when Martin was in his last throes. The 0-5 to halftime against Spurs showed exactly where life under Martin with this lot was headed. Juric has simply carried that onwards, we got a bit better at first then promptly reverted to type. 

I think so, things were getting worse under Martin so it is a continuation of the decline , Spurs home first half was an horrific 45 mins of football 

[Lighthouse]

24 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

No. These twats we’re at an extreme low and getting worse when Martin was in his last throes. The 0-5 to halftime against Spurs showed exactly where life under Martin with this lot was headed. Juric has simply carried that onwards, we got a bit better at first then promptly reverted to type. 

We did not. Everyone got excited because we had an okay half against West Ham, going in 0-0 at half time and TP winning a handful of headers, but that was as good as it ever got. His second game was the 1-2 against Palace that could easily have been 1-5, they were all over us, his third game was the Brentford game which could so easily have been 0-7. 

[The Kraken]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

We did not. Everyone got excited because we had an okay half against West Ham, going in 0-0 at half time and TP winning a handful of headers, but that was as good as it ever got. His second game was the 1-2 against Palace that could easily have been 1-5, they were all over us, his third game was the Brentford game which could so easily have been 0-7. 

We did.

He took over a side that were 0-5 at half time at home and could have lost by much more. That was a low point. We got a bit better than that in the short term. nobody got excited about anything.

Its tiny margins of shitness and both manager will prove to be a disaster for us, so it’s moot anyway.

[Dark Munster]

 

On 26/01/2025 at 10:24, Maggie May said:

We’re regressing further than I thought we would. We would have surpassed the 12 points if we’d stuck with RM. 
 

53 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

This is an absolute fact.

Congratulations. At least on person agrees with you.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

We did.

He took over a side that were 0-5 at half time at home and could have lost by much more. That was a low point. We got a bit better than that in the short term. nobody got excited about anything.

Its tiny margins of shitness and both manager will prove to be a disaster for us, so it’s moot anyway.

No, he took over a side that drew 0-0 with Fulham and lost his first six games. The third was every bit as bad as the Spurs game, the second would have been with better finishing. Palace had 19 shots, of which 10 were on target.

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No, he took over a side that drew 0-0 with Fulham and lost his first six games. The third was every bit as bad as the Spurs game, the second would have been with better finishing. Palace had 19 shots, of which 10 were on target.

We’ll agree to disagree. I saw a positive upturn in performances in Juric’s earlier games. Like I said, a small improvement on Martin but an upturn nonetheless. You disagree, good for you.

[aintforever]

Russel Martin’s sides were frustrating because they often played well but made stupid mistakes that led to defeats. Under this manager it is just complete dogshit from start to finish.

[Badger]

3 hours ago, Huffton said:

Here's a radical idea. Play your fucking centre backs at centre back. Only saints could actually find someone worse than mad nate. Cunt. 

Could be an option if they were fit and available 

[The Kraken]

Just now, Badger said:

Could be an option if they were fit and available 

Two of them started on the bench today, so they were both available. The other bit, perhaps debatable.

[Harry_SFC]

21 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Russel Martin’s sides were frustrating because they often played well but made stupid mistakes that led to defeats. Under this manager it is just complete dogshit from start to finish.

Can't say I remember many games this season that we played well under Martin, mistakes or not. 

We might've been ok for 30 mins or so in certain matches but that's nowhere near enough. I certainly didn't come away from many games thinking "we should have won that". Possibly Leicester and Ipswich at home but that's it. Even the game we did win, we didn't deserve to.

Seems like there's a lot of rewriting of history going on tonight. Just because Martins successor has turned out just as bad, doesn't mean he suddenly had us playing competitive football earlier in the season. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Harry_SFC

[Chez]

28 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Russel Martin’s sides were frustrating because they often played well but made stupid mistakes that led to defeats. Under this manager it is just complete dogshit from start to finish.

We have had one good performance at Old Trafford and a win against Ipswich in which we didn't play that well, other than that, it's been bad. The first half at Forest was horrific. It could and perhaps should have been 6 or 7 today. How Mitoma missed the chance in the first half and Minteh in the second I don't know. 

[aintforever]

17 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Can't say I remember many games this season that we played well under Martin, mistakes or not. 

We might've been ok for 30 mins or so in certain matches but that's nowhere near enough. I certainly didn't come away from many games thinking "we should have won that". Possibly Leicester and Ipswich at home but that's it. Even the game we did win, we didn't deserve to.

Seems like there's a lot of rewriting of history going on tonight. Just because Martins successor has turned out just as bad, doesn't mean he suddenly had us playing competitive football earlier in the season. 

Didn’t we almost beat the team that stuffed us today away from home with a late winner ruled out by a dodgy VAR decision?

I agree we only looked good in patches, but that was more than this clown.

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, aintforever said:

Didn’t we almost beat the team that stuffed us today away from home with a late winner ruled out by a dodgy VAR decision?

I agree we only looked good in patches, but that was more than this clown.

Yes almost but Brighton really should have been 3 or 4 up at half time in that game. 

Either way we have just been a total joke all season.

[The Kraken]

19 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Seems like there's a lot of rewriting of history going on tonight. Just because Martins successor has turned out just as bad, doesn't mean he suddenly had us playing competitive football earlier in the season. 

It happens. Plenty of people still say we should’ve never have gotten rid of Ralph. I love Ralph, he was brilliant for us, but he was done with us when he left. Some fault of his, lots due to the club (appoint Selles because they said so, limited transfer inclusion that summer etc).

The fault wasn’t getting rid of Ralph in itself, it was what happened after. Same as Martin. We left it far too late to get rid of him, then replaced him with someone who was no better at all. In hindsight, just as well have done the Selles thing and appointed Rusk to the end of the season.

[Football Special]

37 minutes ago, Badger said:

Could be an option if they were fit and available 

THB, Wood, Bednarek all injured now? And Stephens not back to full fitness,  where's Taylor?

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

It happens. Plenty of people still say we should’ve never have gotten rid of Ralph. I love Ralph, he was brilliant for us, but he was done with us when he left. Some fault of his, lots due to the club (appoint Selles because they said so, limited transfer inclusion that summer etc).

The fault wasn’t getting rid of Ralph in itself, it was what happened after. Same as Martin. We left it far too late to get rid of him, then replaced him with someone who was no better at all. In hindsight, just as well have done the Selles thing and appointed Rusk to the end of the season.

I totally agree. They didn't learn from their mistake and it's deja vu. 

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It happens. Plenty of people still say we should’ve never have gotten rid of Ralph. I love Ralph, he was brilliant for us, but he was done with us when he left. Some fault of his, lots due to the club (appoint Selles because they said so, limited transfer inclusion that summer etc).

The fault wasn’t getting rid of Ralph in itself, it was what happened after. Same as Martin. We left it far too late to get rid of him, then replaced him with someone who was no better at all. In hindsight, just as well have done the Selles thing and appointed Rusk to the end of the season.

We were just above Bournemouth when we got sacked and I think only a point or two from safety. If Lavia hadn't been injured, Ralph wouldn't have been sacked and we'd have stayed up. He wasn't 'done' when we sacked him, we just kept giving him progressively sh*tter players and achieved the results they warranted.

[The Kraken]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

We were just above Bournemouth when we got sacked and I think only a point or two from safety. If Lavia hadn't been injured, Ralph wouldn't have been sacked and we'd have stayed up. He wasn't 'done' when we sacked him, we just kept giving him progressively sh*tter players and achieved the results they warranted.

Christ, you’re really going out of your way to disagree with me now! We were in the relegation zone and because a teenager got injured, that swung it!

Bore off lighthouse you prat. 

[Andy Hill]

To be fair not even Mickey Mouse could get a tune out of this shower of mediocrity.

[Pamplemousse]

Juric isn't the problem, the players are.

He'd get us promoted next season very easily and with better players would keep us up.

I'd say the same with Martin, but he was heavily influential in the recruitment and so I blame him for this mess more than anyone.

Until we remove a lot of the squad, the same problems will continue to exist. We need a new team.

Edited 4 hours ago by Pamplemousse

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Christ, you’re really going out of your way to disagree with me now! We were in the relegation zone and because a teenager got injured, that swung it!

Bore off lighthouse you prat. 

😂 How many managers have we been through in the PL since we sacked him? Four, all of which have achieved absymal results, and if you ask a fair few people I'll bet they say we need to sack Ivan and make it five. There is no magic formula by which you can do anything other than regularly lose with the players we've had.

The people who need to 'bore off' are the one's whose tedious, predictable answer is always, "the manager has got to go FFS!!! No way he keeps his job after that result FFS!!" 18th, roughly a point per game and fighting relegation, that was it, that's as good as this squad is/was. The fact that a teenager getting injured crippled our season just showed bad the rest of them were.

[The Kraken]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

😂 How many managers have we been through in the PL since we sacked him? Four, all of which have achieved absymal results, and if you ask a fair few people I'll bet they say we need to sack Ivan and make it five. There is no magic formula by which you can do anything other than regularly lose with the players we've had.

The people who need to 'bore off' are the one's whose tedious, predictable answer is always, "the manager has got to go FFS!!! No way he keeps his job after that result FFS!!" 18th, roughly a point per game and fighting relegation, that was it, that's as good as this squad is/was. The fact that a teenager getting injured crippled our season just showed bad the rest of them were.

I’ve read that twice and I’m not sure you even know what you’re arguing against any more, apart from the fact that you think you need to.

Have another drink fella. I’m off to bed.

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I’ve read that twice and I’m not sure you even know what you’re arguing against any more, apart from the fact that you think you need to.

Have another drink fella. I’m off to bed.

My opinion has been consistent all season, I'm sorry I can't make it fit everybody else's alternative version of reality. No manager is going to compensate for the atrocious players we have at the club. Many people believe Martin should have been sacked after the six games, now people want Juric sacked after nine. If it was down to popular opinion we'd get through five or six managers a season because guess what, nobody we can realistically appoint is going to do noticeably better.

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

Juric isn't the problem, the players are.

He'd get us promoted next season very easily and with better players would keep us up.

I'd say the same with Martin, but he was heavily influential in the recruitment and so I blame him for this mess more than anyone.

Until we remove a lot of the squad, the same problems will continue to exist. We need a new team.

Cheers for your input Ivan

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

We have had one good performance at Old Trafford and a win against Ipswich in which we didn't play that well, other than that, it's been bad. The first half at Forest was horrific. It could and perhaps should have been 6 or 7 today. How Mitoma missed the chance in the first half and Minteh in the second I don't know. 

Which given their results since that game, is more of a reflection of what a shambles United are at the moment. We still collapsed once they put us under pressure

[woodsaint1]

The cheek of him to throw in the 19 clean sheets from last season comment. Nobody cares, you're in a different league with a different team in different circumstances.

Since hes come in we've conceded 25 in 9 PL games - nearly 3 per game and god knows what it'll be if he lasts the season. In fact, without Ramsdale, who knows what the numbers would look like. The players may not be be good enough to play his system, but this is a guy who prides himself on organisation and defensive solidity.

Finding a quick fix to make us more solid is what I would have been hoping for. We could have then backed him in the summer with transfers to suit his system. But we're so far off being a competitive side and he just looks lost.