Ivan Juric

[Whitey Grandad]

14 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

everyone is playing 3 at the back, so many teams play 3 at the back but its an attacking formation.

The only reason we lost today is the same reason for the last 5 yrs, we have utter shit attackers.

But today we didn’t have any attackers on the pitch.

[woodsaint1]

Hardly inspiring getting beat by Burnley's second string. Doesnt bode well if Juric is to be kept on next season. Yes, by then it could be a completely new team to suit his system, but playing four full backs is desperate stuff

[washsaint]

I truly hope we clean house in the summer.  The players, manager, coaches are simply not good enough.

Juric has brought nothing to the table.  I honestly think we'd have been better off keeping Martin.

His tactics (if you can call it that) are baflling and having 4 full backs in a back 5 with 2 CBs on the bench is utter madness.  Compounded by playing no strikers.

Mind boggling hire and if he's her next year we're in real trouble.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Hardly inspiring getting beat by Burnley's second string. Doesnt bode well if Juric is to be kept on next season. Yes, by then it could be a completely new team to suit his system, but playing four full backs is desperate stuff

I think the quality of our CBs is more to do with that than anything else.

[washsaint]

18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think the quality of our CBs is more to do with that than anything else.

Utter tosh.....he played 1 CB and left 2 on the bench.  PLus played no strikers and 2 ponderous players in Big Les and Aribo in midfield who did nothing all game.

Players and manager both had awful days today - 7 defeats in 9 games

[Badger]

18 minutes ago, washsaint said:

 

Mind boggling hire and if he's her next year we're in real trouble.

Ivanka Juric should grab a few headlines and media coverage.
 

 

[danjosaint]

43 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

everyone is playing 3 at the back, so many teams play 3 at the back but its an attacking formation.

The only reason we lost today is the same reason for the last 5 yrs, we have utter shit attackers.

What a load of crap, most play either 4231 or variation of 433, unless uv 2 class cm our formation won't work, exactly like Man utd,  yes our attackers are shit but when a chance falls in the box due to some sort of weird tactics it's a fucking shit Manning whose on the end of it, coupled with Aribo in at cb, it's a weird surreal disorganised mess. With Welington now here it is a perfect chance to get a bit of balance. With him Lb kwp rb with Thb and bednerek cbs, then play Les and either Downes/Gronbaek as a double pivot and protection, Sully then left, Fernandes acm with Dibling right (yes I know he was awful today) then let Tall paul and Archer fight for the striker role . Yes we probably won't win

more than 1 more game but ffs go back to basics and stop trying to be so clever

Edited Saturday at 20:23 by danjosaint

[Turkish]

i expect our new technical director will have a secret dossier of managers he's tracked for ages that only he has access to that he will want to bring in if he has anything about him

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, washsaint said:

Utter tosh.....he played 1 CB and left 2 on the bench.  PLus played no strikers and 2 ponderous players in Big Les and Aribo in midfield who did nothing all game.

Players and manager both had awful days today - 7 defeats in 9 games

Yeah, he left two CBs on the bench because he thought the WBs would do a better job, that's my point.

TBF, defence wasn't the issue today - scoring was the issue and we had no strikers playing.

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i expect our new technical director will have a secret dossier of managers he's tracked for ages that only he has access to that he will want to bring in if he has anything about him

Unless Rasmus has already tapped up Williamson on leaving Carlisle this week. 

[Galway saint]

Just now, danjosaint said:

What a load of crap, most play either 4231 or variation of 433, unless uv 2 class cm our formation won't work, exactly like Man utd,  yes our attackers are shit but when a chance falls in the box due to some sort of weird tactics it's a fucking shit Manning whose on the end of it, coupled with Aribo in at cb, it's a weird surreal disorganised mess. With Welington now here it is a perfect chance to get a bit of balance. With him Lb kwp rb with Thb and bednerek cbs, then play Les and either Downes/Gronbaek as a double pivot and protection, Sully then left, Fernandes acm with Dibling left(yes I know he was awful today) then let Tall paul and Archer fight for the striker role . Yes we probably won't won more than 1 more game but ffs go back to basics and stop trying to be so clever

I think the need to be 'clever' is because the players are so shit. It was a failing of RM and whoever the manager he seeks to make up for the shortcomings of the squad by trying to be innovative and it just makes it worse 

I imagine if Juric had a couple of decent forwards and CMs he would play them in their conventional positions, but he doesn't.

 

[Fabrice29]

52 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

What a load of crap, most play either 4231 or variation of 433, unless uv 2 class cm our formation won't work, exactly like Man utd,  yes our attackers are shit but when a chance falls in the box due to some sort of weird tactics it's a fucking shit Manning whose on the end of it, coupled with Aribo in at cb, it's a weird surreal disorganised mess. With Welington now here it is a perfect chance to get a bit of balance. With him Lb kwp rb with Thb and bednerek cbs, then play Les and either Downes/Gronbaek as a double pivot and protection, Sully then left, Fernandes acm with Dibling right (yes I know he was awful today) then let Tall paul and Archer fight for the striker role . Yes we probably won't win

more than 1 more game but ffs go back to basics and stop trying to be so clever

We've already won 1 game with these tactics to be fair so that seems a better bet than your suggestion which you've said yourself wont win more than one. Basics.

Edited Saturday at 21:13 by Fabrice29

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, he left two CBs on the bench because he thought the WBs would do a better job, that's my point.

TBF, defence wasn't the issue today - scoring was the issue and we had no strikers playing.

I'm not sure about that. The way we just stood off them and let them walk into our box unmarked to score their goal was so bad that I can't even think of a strong enough adjective to describe it.

[danjosaint]

23 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

We've already won 1 game with these tactics to be fair so that seems a better bet than your suggestion which you've said yourself wont win more than one. Basics.

I guess it would be if we'd won that 1 game against Ipswich with the same formation and tactics as today which we didn't,  but you carry on trying to pick holes in other posters , 

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Whilst understanding your frustration, what's the option.

I dont think Sports Republic have been shy in putting spending Dragan's money into the club, its just been the way it has been spent on crap players and managers.

FIFY. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Anyone still think him and his heavy metal football are incredible? 🤣

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Anyone still think him and his heavy metal football are incredible? 🤣

When did anyone describe him and/or his football as "incredible"? Useful to know this in order to deduce whether your question has any validity. TIA 👍

[RedWillie]

13 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Anyone still think him and his heavy metal football are incredible? 🤣

No. I think he is a shit manager. Today was just ridiculous 

[FarehamSaintJames]

He’s a shit manager. He has done nothing of significance.

There has been little to no change in our play, we’ve changed our formation and stopped giving away sloppy goals for the most part.

Instead we just concede any goals more freely now.

[CB Fry]

18 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Anyone still think him and his heavy metal football are incredible? 🤣

Anyone still think you just make shit up on this forum?

Do your fucking Ruud Van Nistelrooy one again

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Anyone still think you just make shit up on this forum?

Do your fucking Ruud Van Nistelrooy one again

The JWP one was better tbf.

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Anyone still think you just make shit up on this forum?

Do your fucking Ruud Van Nistelrooy one again

You like his brand of football? I’m saying it’s poor. I’m saying he’s been poor.

Do you disagree?

This guy had a lot of hype when he came in and he’s done absolutely nothing to suggest that it’s going to improve anytime soon.

I haven’t aimed anything at you, yet you’ve made it personal for no reason, very unnecessary.

There were lots on here raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football, do you see any of this? Do you like what you’re seeing?

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

You like his brand of football? I’m saying it’s poor. I’m saying he’s been poor.

Do you disagree?

This guy had a lot of hype when he came in and he’s done absolutely nothing to suggest that it’s going to improve anytime soon.

I haven’t aimed anything at you, yet you’ve made it personal for no reason, very unnecessary.

There were lots on here raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football, do you see any of this? Do you like what you’re seeing?

Who were the people raving about his heavy metal football. I don’t remember anyone but as there were “lots on here” I’m sure you can 

[CB Fry]

3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

You like his brand of football? I’m saying it’s poor. I’m saying he’s been poor.

Do you disagree?

This guy had a lot of hype when he came in and he’s done absolutely nothing to suggest that it’s going to improve anytime soon.

I haven’t aimed anything at you, yet you’ve made it personal for no reason, very unnecessary.

There were lots on here raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football, do you see any of this? Do you like what you’re seeing?

I'm not talking about Ivan Juric. Just you.

There were not "lots of people raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football".

For fucks sake we lost 6 games in a row. 

[CB Fry]

8 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

The JWP one was better tbf.

The reverse ferret of "no i didn't say that no i didn't mean that no i never thought no no no" after an entire summer of giving it the big one really was quite spectacular.

[FarehamSaintJames]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The reverse ferret of "no i didn't say that no i didn't mean that no i never thought no no no" after an entire summer of giving it the big one really was quite spectacular.

I said constantly RE JWP I didn’t think he would go and that it was solely an opinion, nothing more than that, and I was as surprised you when he left, at no point did I proclaim to be one of those fuckwit ITK’s. You’re more than welcome to go and check the posts from eighteen months ago if you’ve got that much of a hard on for it.

All you’ve done there is make something up and make it personal. Pretty unfair. I’ve not aimed anything at you.

On a side note, it’s nice to see you choose to forget I said that I said I think Aaron Ramsdale and Ryan Fraser will be Saints players by the end of the window, I called that four weeks prior to it happening, but I also never said I was ITK.

Again, if you want to have a look I suggest you have a scroll through.

We all have opinions, some things happen, some things don’t.

This is a forum, everyone is entitled to an opinion. It’s interesting to garner everyone’s thoughts week by week. Last weeks result at Ipswich masked over a lot. It’s still the same poor tactics, same poor players, same poor effort, energy, determination etc. Do you disagree? Do you think he’s doing well?

 

[trousers]

20 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

There were lots on here raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football

Name 3 posters who said this. I've got all night, so no rush. 

[The Kraken]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Who were the people raving about his heavy metal football. I don’t remember anyone but as there were “lots on here” I’m sure you can 

Quite interested to hear the answer to this too.

[Whitey Grandad]

Initially I was prepared to give him some time but today was woeful. The defensive back line was a jumbled mess. We had two left backs in Wellington and Manning who spent the game holding hands. Dibling and Sulemana do not come anywhere near to being an attacking front line.

Welington looked promising though.

[Mixedkebab]

I don’t think a lot of fans moaning about this latest manager understand it.

The club is a disaster area a bit like Man United or Spurs, mismanaged from the highest levels, no proper strategy, shitheads in charge of recruitment, arrogant non football cunts doing arrogant non football cunt shit whilst attempting to run a premier league football club

Man United and Spurs get away with not getting relegated because of their wealth, Saints don’t

Fergie or Wenger wouldn’t have kept saints up this year, or even competed, as the club has been run into the ground over the last 6 or 7 years by clueless helmets who stink the place out

Last season was lucky, if Bazunu never got injured we’d still be down 

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

I don’t think a lot of fans moaning about this latest manager understand it.

The club is a disaster area a bit like Man United or Spurs, mismanaged from the highest levels, no proper strategy, shitheads in charge of recruitment, arrogant non football cunts doing arrogant non football cunt shit whilst attempting to run a premier league football club

Man United and Spurs get away with not getting relegated because of their wealth, Saints don’t

Fergie or Wenger wouldn’t have kept saints up this year, or even competed, as the club has been run into the ground over the last 6 or 7 years by clueless helmets who stink the place out

Last season was lucky, if Bazunu never got injured we’d still be down 

You were doing ok until the last sentence.

[austsaint]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

3 hours ago, danjosaint said:

What a load of crap, most play either 4231 or variation of 433, unless uv 2 class cm our formation won't work, exactly like Man utd,  yes our attackers are shit but when a chance falls in the box due to some sort of weird tactics it's a fucking shit Manning whose on the end of it, coupled with Aribo in at cb, it's a weird surreal disorganised mess. With Welington now here it is a perfect chance to get a bit of balance. With him Lb kwp rb with Thb and bednerek cbs, then play Les and either Downes/Gronbaek as a double pivot and protection, Sully then left, Fernandes acm with Dibling right (yes I know he was awful today) then let Tall paul and Archer fight for the striker role . Yes we probably won't win

more than 1 more game but ffs go back to basics and stop trying to be so clever

I like Juric, but today’s set up was weird.   It was an opportunity to play KWP and Wellington as FBs with Bednarek and Wood/ABK at CBs, to establish balance and a more orthodox central midfield. When Sulemana (who was very good) and Ugochuku came off, it was obvious we weren’t getting back into the game.   The sight of Manning, Bree and Smallbone knocking it around at the back at games end was a bit demoralising.   I don’t know whether IJ is playing Smallbone because of the lack of midfield depth or he rates him, but it’s going to dent his credibility between now and seasons end if it continues.

[HKsaint]

Juric has done nothing at lot. He doesn’t inspire any confidence. He can’t beat Burnley today, he will not be able to beat other teams in championship. With him in championship, we will struggle. I honestly don’t think he is better than Russell Martin. How could SR manage to find a manager who is worse than RM is beyond me. Anyone could be better than him. SR has proved us wrong that Nathan Jones is not the worst. SR is now proving us wrong again re RM. 

[CB Fry]

8 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I said constantly RE JWP I didn’t think he would go and that it was solely an opinion, nothing more than that, and I was as surprised you when he left, at no point did I proclaim to be one of those fuckwit ITK’s. You’re more than welcome to go and check the posts from eighteen months ago if you’ve got that much of a hard on for it.

All you’ve done there is make something up and make it personal. Pretty unfair. I’ve not aimed anything at you.

On a side note, it’s nice to see you choose to forget I said that I said I think Aaron Ramsdale and Ryan Fraser will be Saints players by the end of the window, I called that four weeks prior to it happening, but I also never said I was ITK.

Again, if you want to have a look I suggest you have a scroll through.

We all have opinions, some things happen, some things don’t.

This is a forum, everyone is entitled to an opinion. It’s interesting to garner everyone’s thoughts week by week. Last weeks result at Ipswich masked over a lot. It’s still the same poor tactics, same poor players, same poor effort, energy, determination etc. Do you disagree? Do you think he’s doing well?

 

Just let us know some names of these "lots" of people that were "raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football".

If you want to come on here and goad and mock others my advice is to try and anchor it in something resembling reality.

It's funny that for you it's "just an opinion just an opinion its a forum its an opinion" when you shit the bed about JWP but when you decide you were proved right (the left-field unforeseeable signing of Ryan Fraser well done you) you seem to want an open top bus parade of enternal gratitude and to be recognised as a visionary.

Edited Sunday at 06:38 by CB Fry

[austsaint]

56 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Just let us know some names of these "lots" of people that were "raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football".

If you want to come on here and goad and mock others my advice is to try and anchor it in something resembling reality.

It's funny that for you it's "just an opinion just an opinion its a forum its an opinion" when you shit the bed about JWP but when you decide you were proved right (the left-field unforeseeable signing of Ryan Fraser well done you) you seem to want an open top bus parade of enternal gratitude and to be recognised as a visionary.

I think you’ve skewered him quite nicely.  There might be a bit of self deception going on for the boy from Fareham.

[Saint_T]

Ramsdale 

Kwp (sugawara next season), thb (Wood), bednarek, wellington

Downes, ugochukwu (Charles) 

Dibling (edozie), fernandes (gronbaek), sulemana 

Onuachu

 

 

Can we just try it once to check it's not better than the 5-2-3-0 or whatever it is we're currently trying?! 

[LGTL]

10 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

There were lots on here raving about this heavy metal attractive style of football, do you see any of this? Do you like what you’re seeing?

What a load of bollocks. Nobody was ‘raving’ about anything. 

Many, including myself, predicted that it sure as hell couldn’t be any worse than Russell fucking Martin. And after winning the same amount of PL games in about half the number, so we’ve all been proved correct. 

[Convict Colony]

12 hours ago, danjosaint said:

What a load of crap, most play either 4231 or variation of 433, unless uv 2 class cm our formation won't work, exactly like Man utd,  yes our attackers are shit but when a chance falls in the box due to some sort of weird tactics it's a fucking shit Manning whose on the end of it, coupled with Aribo in at cb, it's a weird surreal disorganised mess. With Welington now here it is a perfect chance to get a bit of balance. With him Lb kwp rb with Thb and bednerek cbs, then play Les and either Downes/Gronbaek as a double pivot and protection, Sully then left, Fernandes acm with Dibling right (yes I know he was awful today) then let Tall paul and Archer fight for the striker role . Yes we probably won't win

more than 1 more game but ffs go back to basics and stop trying to be so clever

Bro there are soooooooooo many teams that play 3 at the back, I'm not going to list them.

But dont worry Rohl plays 4 at the back so I am sure its just the formation rather than shit players.

Edited Sunday at 09:00 by Convict Colony

[Galway saint]

10 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You were doing ok until the last sentence.

McCarthy had a good set of games in the Play-offs in what were tight matches. Baz has always struggled so it doesn't seem unreasonable to conclude that if Baz had been playing we would likely not have been promoted. We will never know.

No doubt it will be mandated by the clowns running the club that he will be No 1 again next year so we can look forward to more of the Baz debate and questions such as is he totally shit or with a better defence would he make more saves low down to his left ? Can't wait.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Bro there are soooooooooo many teams that play 3 at the back, I'm not going to list them.

But dont worry Rohl plays 4 at the back so I am sure its just the formation rather than shit players.

City sort of.

Forest do

united do

Wolves?

palace?

 

as for the championship?

Plymouth??

[Pamplemousse]

I see there are a couple of Russell Martin fanboys, mainly on Twitter, who come out of the woodwork every time we lose berating Juric.

It's almost as if some people would rather we lost to be proven correct. But it doesn't prove anyone right, Martin had to go, the football was terrible and we were uncompetitive.

The squad isn't good enough, that is fundamentally the issue.

[Cabrone]

I can't really judge the guy given the horror show he stepped into.

Whilst both managers had to deal with a board that hasn't got a clue the big difference is that RM started this season with a team high on confidence whereas Juric inherited a dispirited, disinterested bunch of bashed up players. It was mission impossible.

My hope for IJ was that we go down with some dignity and our tails up ready for next season, maybe on 20 points?

I'm still OK to see if he can do it.

 

[BARCELONASAINT]

I am finding it difficult to really assess if Juric is shit or not. Like most on here i agree he has walked into an utter shit show. The team morale was rock bottom (and still is) and the team was a mediocre Championship side at best. He has not been helped in the transfer market and add to that we have players that don't want to be here (Downes, ABK, Sully, AA, Archer to name but a few) The players are damaged, they are human and it must hurt that generally speaking they all know we are relegated and that they are Championship level players at best that will never likely play in the premiership again. Yes i agree they are paid shit loads, they are professionals, they should not be so weak mentally and bloody well knuckle down but unfortunately we lack any leaders on the pitch to drag the rest up.

Given all of that i think its almost impossible to judge Juric. He has stepped into an impossible task.

I honestly hope we have a complete reset in the summer and offload most players where ever we can get rid off.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I've warmed to Juric so far but yesterday was a bit of a rude awakening; firstly with his team selection and secondly with his post-match comments. A manager that goes into denial mode is usually at the top of the slippery slope.

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I've warmed to Juric so far but yesterday was a bit of a rude awakening; firstly with his team selection and secondly with his post-match comments. A manager that goes into denial mode is usually at the top of the slippery slope.

Yes, that's what I wasn't sure about. I didn't see the positive moments or positive bits of play he was referring to, so that was a bit worrying. He's been quite honest and blunt so far in his assessments of things, but yesterday his comments were a bit waffly it has to be said.

I do find it hard to judge him either way though, impossible in fact. I can't be for or against him at this stage, there's too much in the mix he hasn't been able to control to come to a clear judgement.

[Convict Colony]

I assume it was some of the build up play including the manning point blank miss.

[sfc4prem]

We now know certainly that the squad is piss poor.

 

Does this make the claim that Russell was a shite manger a bit less convincing? If the players are so poor, what else could Russ have done?

I know he recruited many of the squad, but I guess 1) we don't really know how much influence he has over who was recruited and 2) we aren't certain on exactly how hamstrung we were in terms of who we could bring in with our budget in terms of initial outlay and wages...

 

What do you reckon, then? Russ not as bad as some make out? Both him and Juric working with their hands tied behind their backs?

[bugenhagen]

16 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

We now know certainly that the squad is piss poor.

 

Does this make the claim that Russell was a shite manger a bit less convincing? If the players are so poor, what else could Russ have done?

I know he recruited many of the squad, but I guess 1) we don't really know how much influence he has over who was recruited and 2) we aren't certain on exactly how hamstrung we were in terms of who we could bring in with our budget in terms of initial outlay and wages...

 

What do you reckon, then? Russ not as bad as some make out? Both him and Juric working with their hands tied behind their backs?

What else could he have done? Adjusted and adapted his style to suit the players, not the other way around. 

When you have shit players, you have to be able to adapt your philosophy to get the best out of what you have got. Make the team better than the individuals. 

Both of these managers seem unable to adjust their style, and end up forcing players that are not good enough to play a certain way. Square pegs in round holes rarely works great. 
 

 

[benjii]

I'd rather have Martin next season than Juric. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 minutes ago, benjii said:

I'd rather have Martin next season than Juric. 

Seriously? Martin fucked this club right over with his culture of mates and easy ride for the players. Juric might not be the right guy, but he's ten times the manager Martin was.