Ivan Juric

[SambaMaverick]

Can't really see the positives in keeping him for next season. Get Rohl in, clean slate.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, SambaMaverick said:

Can't really see the positives in keeping him for next season. Get Rohl in, clean slate.

Does anyone even know if Rohl wants to come here or not? 

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Does anyone even know if Rohl wants to come here or not? 

I think they might finish in the play offs. Imagine if he managed to get Wednesday up. Either way it looks like he's a very good manager at that level.

[FarehamSaintJames]

He shouldn’t be here next season. He isn’t performing the great escape playing five at the back.

The squad he’s got to work with are beyond damaged goods for the most part.

A complete clear out is required.

[Saint NL]

I just hope the players pull together and get him a point before the end of the season.

[Galway saint]

We have won 2 PL games in 36 ( give or take a game) involving 5 different managers over two seasons.
 

I have no idea whether Juric is a decent manager or not but our inability to win games in PL clearly goes way beyond who the manager is.

Any side in the PL that has to regularly play Adam Armstrong and bring on Will Smallbone is clearly screwed.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t reach double digit points as loosing  is now ingrained in the club

[Roger]

How many defeats in a row before he’s sacked? 

[Baird of the land]

5 minutes ago, Roger said:

How many defeats in a row before he’s sacked? 

He's not getting sacked this season

[Lee On Solent Saint]

6 minutes ago, Roger said:

How many defeats in a row before he’s sacked? 

Doesn't matter anymore, this season is over.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Roger said:

How many defeats in a row before he’s sacked? 

He won't be sacked. Survival was a forlorn hope before he replaced Martin, and the squad are mentally already down. He has at least shown that a differant tune to Russball is possible, even with such a poor squad, and we do now posess some ( limited ) goal threat, and we can see that the players Russ froze out are no worse, and possibly better, than his favourites.

Russell Martin relegated the club, aided and abetted by a grossly incompetent Board. Whoever replaced RM walked into an impossible position; I'm surprised that anybody wanted to come.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

10 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

We have won 2 PL games in 36 ( give or take a game) involving 5 different managers over two seasons.
 

I have no idea whether Juric is a decent manager or not but our inability to win games in PL clearly goes way beyond who the manager is.

Any side in the PL that has to regularly play Adam Armstrong and bring on Will Smallbone is clearly screwed.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t reach double digit points as loosing  is now ingrained in the club

These are my sentiments. At times, the football has been more pleasing on the eye since RM left, but I also can't remember watching a more depressing game than the recent Brentford home match (and that includes the bigger defeats). There were apologists for RM at the beginning of the season saying it was a new league for him and he was learning to live in it (except he wasn't). Juric is also learning and my leaning would be to stay with him. 

[Harry_SFC]

11 minutes ago, Roger said:

How many defeats in a row before he’s sacked? 

What's the point in sacking another manager now? Imagine they will agree to part ways in the summer. 

[Fabrice29]

I have no issue with Juric (other than expecting Bednarek to do a competent man marking job on Isak today) and think he's doing fine but I got a lot of stick for pointing out a few things earlier this season that seem to be manifesting itself a bit.

On 05/12/2024 at 08:20, Fabrice29 said:

 

There’s not a chance the new guy gets patience after losing games on a regular basis for 4-5 months which will include mistakes from players similar to the ones made now and games where we look toothless in attack and games in which we get hammered. It’s not happening unless like Sheffield United you appoint someone with already a lot of good standing at the club. And that only happens if said person is so desperate to come back because of failings elsewhere. But anyway, you can all believe you’ll be super patient and great super fans if you like. I’ll just bring all your posts up again like I did last season when you all said we wouldn’t be promoted.  
 

Any new manager should be appointed with the aim of salvaging this season, which is possible, although would be helped by having players defend properly, pass the ball properly and a decent goal scoring option in January (which I’d rather spend any compensation money on personally).

 

On 04/12/2024 at 23:30, Fabrice29 said:

I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough whether it’s all one man’s fault and I’ll happily admit I was wrong when things miraculously improve under new management. 

 

On 04/12/2024 at 22:56, Fabrice29 said:

 Just completely oblivious that the next manager in charge is going to lose a lot of football matches before next seasons ‘attacking campaign’…and that won’t be popular. 

 

[saintwbu]

I’ve no problem with him, i’m not arsed if we let him stick it out - but i can’t get behind us going into next season with a manager wedded to 5 at the back. I can’t remember anything but pain when we’ve tried to do it in the past, and defensively we have been horrendous doing it under Juric. If he is truly stuck to that formation then get rid.

[Matthew Le God]

19 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

I’ve no problem with him, i’m not arsed if we let him stick it out - but i can’t get behind us going into next season with a manager wedded to 5 at the back. I can’t remember anything but pain when we’ve tried to do it in the past, and defensively we have been horrendous doing it under Juric. If he is truly stuck to that formation then get rid.

Do not look at it as five at the back then! Look at it as 3421 or 3412 or 343. 

Playing 3 centre backs doesn't mean it is negative. Can still be a very proactive, high pressing and attacking team using those systems. Especially when we'll be favourites and with the better players in the majority of games next season. 

Edited Saturday at 19:58 by Matthew Le God

[Dusic]

Its hard to objectively judge because we are so limited in particular areas that it was obvious anyone would struggle - so probably a good decision to get a stopgap in rather than pay compo for a manager who is then unpopular come May.

He has found a system to suit Sulemana and got more from LU but results still woeful. I do think he has been unlucky with injuries, especially after finally finding an attacking setup vs Utd which looked promising.

At this stage I am more bothered about being able to appoint Spors or someone else of quality into DoF/TD role - without some off field consistency and a dramatic improvement in recruitment any Manager will struggle with Saints at PL level.

Think Juric has a chance to be the man next season - but he needs to somehow start taking points (and probably make some effort in the media to build a rapport of some sort with supporters).

Edited Saturday at 19:47 by Dusic

[saintwbu]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Do not look at it as five at the back then! Look at it as 3421 or 3412 or 343. 

Playing 3 centre backs doesn't mean it negative. Can still be a very proactive, high pressing and attacking team using those systems. Especially when we'll be favourites and with the better players in the majority of games next season. 

You’re correct, it can be. But with us, it never is. It normally just means we are playing 3 centre halves who are normally 3 of the worst players we have, meaning more mistakes and more confusion. I’ve rarely seen us not be completely shit whilst playing this formation.

[Matthew Le God]

@Paul Chuckle rather than just using a confused emoji on all of my posts, try explaining why you are confused by it.

[Harry_SFC]

21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Do not look at it as five at the back then! Look at it as 3421 or 3412 or 343. 

Playing 3 centre backs doesn't mean it is negative. Can still be a very proactive, high pressing and attacking team using those systems. Especially when we'll be favourites and with the better players in the majority of games next season. 

None of the current top 6 in the Championship play with a 3/5 at the back. I wonder why that is...

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

None of the current top 6 in the Championship play with a 3/5 at the back. I wonder why that is...

Textbook example of an argumentum ad populum fallacy. Just because they don't, does not mean it wouldn't be effective for another manager/club. 

[Harry_SFC]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Textbook example of an argumentum ad populum fallacy. Just because they don't, does not mean it wouldn't be effective for another manager/club. 

Yeah but it's not effective for us is it? It never has been. How hard is that for you to understand? Jesus wept.

Edited Saturday at 20:14 by Harry_SFC

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah but it's not effective for us is it? It never has been. How hard is that for you to understand? Jesus wept.

You are using another fallacy. Not being effective at Premier League level when we have the worst squad does not mean it wouldn't be effective when next season we'll have one of the strongest squads in the league.

[FarehamSaintJames]

There is no benefit of playing a back five when you’re bottom of the league and chasing points.
(And for those saying the wing backs push up, give it a rest, they spend most of the game out of position, and ineffective and cause a defensive unbalance).

Southampton’s strong point in the last few years has never been holding on defending for dear life.

The best form of defence has always been to attack.

The team has always created chances, always.
The issue for years now has been the lack of a competent goal scorer.
Simple as that.

There is no benefit of having one less player at the back of the pitch where we’re weakest when we should be trying to score goals.

Sure it might not change overnight and it likely won’t keep us up.
But I’d be pretty confident we’d concede the same amount of goals if we played with a back four. Which begs the question why waste a player at the back?

[Charlie Wayman]

2 hours ago, Roger said:

How many defeats in a row before he’s sacked? 

The question should be asked. Juric sounds more professional than Jones so probably he gets a stay of execution from the fans despite a similar pattern of results.

[S-Clarke]

The 3 at the back with one right back in centre back seems a bit bonkers. Bree isn't good enough as a RB at this level, let alone a right sided CB. Shouldn't be on the bench for a competitive PL side.

I really don't get the fixation with 3 at the back when there aren't the players to do it. 3 at the back works when you have mobility in the middle and pace with at least one of the centre backs. All of our centre backs are slow as shit and we are about as immobile as a tanker in the midfield.  It also helps if you have attacking pace to stretch the game and we don't have that either. Sometimes there is merit in 'keeping it simple stupid' when the players you have available are so, so , so limited.

Les is a really odd player, no middle ground from him. He can look good, then he looks like a fan trying to play football - quite often during the same game. 

 

Edited Saturday at 21:06 by S-Clarke

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

He's not getting sacked this season

To be replaced by ?

The season has been written off. As we’ve seen no one really wants the job currently, and it appears we aren’t prepared to pay compensation for a manager we want. 

Edited Saturday at 21:24 by Badger

[Badger]

32 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

The question should be asked. Juric sounds more professional than Jones so probably he gets a stay of execution from the fans despite a similar pattern of results.

I know the point you’re making but think it is unfair on Juric and the fanbase.

Jones was a bizarre appointment but no one was impressed by the selection, many of his shortcomings were known to supporters. His interviews were a ‘car crash’ reinforcing views of him. He then had six weeks to prepare his squad for the battle ahead.

Little is really known if Juric, style and record. Many might not have heard of him before he arrived. For  interviews it’s understood that English is a foreign language to him ( I don’t think NJ was a native Welsh speaker) so he gets a pass for this.

Above all most realise he’s got a piss poor squad to select from, disillusioned after Martin.

Juric deserves credit for being prepared to take the fucking job at the circus we’ve become. 

[Pamplemousse]

Ever since the Brentford debacle we have looked at the least competitive. 

I think Ipswich away next week is going to be our best chance to get a win this season. We owe them one anyway

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Was it ever confirmed whether there was a 6 month break clause in his contract? It was reported there was for ages, then I think Alfie House said that wasn’t true after he signed?

As others have said, it’s very hard to judge Juric with this squad but either way I don’t think he’s the answer next season. Hope we can get rid of him without it costing us anything. 

[Matthew Le God]

13 minutes ago, for_heaven's_Saint said:

As others have said, it’s very hard to judge Juric with this squad but either way I don’t think he’s the answer next season. Hope we can get rid of him without it costing us anything. 

Why?

[revolution saint]

It’ll be very difficult to justify keeping him on if he hasn’t got more points than Martin did. Only reason to sack Martin was because we didn’t think he was getting enough points out of what he had available. If his successor does the same or worse then logically, he has to go.

Obviously that’s simplistic and there’s a few mitigating factors but I doubt he’ll be here come August 

[Hodgey]

This was always going to happen if you change style but not players - our squad cannot execute his formation/tactics - they are not suited to it. We have another dogmatic manager who has a very set style. SR need to back him with suitable players in the summer - it’s actually a much bigger risk than getting a new manager in proven in this league (ie Rohl), especially with our dreadful recruiting history. But for example I’m not seeing Armstrong ever working for Juric so you then need to replace a prolific scorer/assister at that level with someone more suitable.

For me the less risky option is to keep this squad of proven champ players and get a manager in to play to their strengths. Of course we’d have to make major squad changes if we did go up, but that’s something to worry about later.

Either way, our priority should be a DOF and recruitment team up to the task of supporting our manager with the resources/advice/priorities required. Without that we are not going back up whoever is in charge. Even if we work to the principle that the Championship is a huge step down (it is) we’ll be starting as a team well behind at least 2 who come down with us.

[Bobsmith]

We’ve got, at most, 11 players who can genuinely compete in the Premier League. Yesterday, we were missing three of the best of them, which meant the usual ineffective replacements, like Armstrong, were forced onto the manager.

Juric is far more accomplished than Martin at the top level (granted in Italy), and let’s not forget that Martin’s style led to game after game where we had all the possession but no shots. I reckon Juric will easily surpass the six points Martin managed and, honestly, I’d be happy with him in the Championship—provided he’s backed with the kind of signings his intense style demands.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Bobsmith said:

We’ve got, at most, 11 players who can genuinely compete in the Premier League. Yesterday, we were missing three of the best of them, which meant the usual ineffective replacements, like Armstrong, were forced onto the manager.

Juric is far more accomplished than Martin at the top level (granted in Italy), and let’s not forget that Martin’s style led to game after game where we had all the possession but no shots. I reckon Juric will easily surpass the six points Martin managed and, honestly, I’d be happy with him in the Championship—provided he’s backed with the kind of signings his intense style demands.

I count five at best; Fernandes, Dibling, Ramsdale, KWP and at a push THB.

[Wade Garrett]

He doesn’t look to have exorcised RussBall from the team.  
We were plodding again yesterday, playing sideways and backwards with very little movement off the ball.  The only sprint I can recall was second half from Fernandes that got us a corner.

It’s his job to improve this, a really tough task.  It got worse yesterday. So for me, that was a step back.

Also hate the formation.  3 at the back, and ok, occasionally Bree or THB would venture forward, but Aribo would just sit if they did.  Our midfield gets overrun every week.

Would love to see us go back to 4-2-3-1.

Armstrong and Smallbone were horrendous down the left side.  You would think that Juric would have had enough time to size his players up, yet he still plays them.  I’m don’t give a fuck how many yards Armstrong runs, he rarely wins the ball back, and in possession and in front of goal he is nowhere near good enough.  Manning is like the invisible man when we get attacked down our left.  He is all over the place.

I never expected Juric to keep us up.  I do expect more application from the team and better tactics than we are getting at the moment though.

Also, Danny Rohl is not Brian Clough, he used to hold Ralph’s clipboard.

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Ever since the Brentford debacle we have looked at the least competitive. 

I think Ipswich away next week is going to be our best chance to get a win this season. We owe them one anyway

I think that's a fair view. We look to have more of a structure and plan to us under Juric, from the limited sample we have - but ultimately he is always going to be let down by the level of player he has available in relation to the level we're at.

I don't deny that they're trying, certainly after the Brentford game, but the lack of ability/quality is so glaring when up against even the most mid-table of PL sides - there's only so much you can do. 

I don't think shoehorning 3 at the back is working though, when we have a squad as limited as we have I think there's an argument to keep it as simple as possible.

[beatlesaint]

34 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think shoehorning 3 at the back is working though, when we have a squad as limited as we have I think there's an argument to keep it as simple as possible.

When fit Capt Jack is gonna continue being shoehorned in even without his mate Martin in charge isnt he ?  💩

Edited yesterday at 11:24 by beatlesaint

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

When fit Capt Jack is gonna continue being shoehorned in even without his mate Martin in charge isnt he ?  💩

I think Martin smuggled him out of the door with him, they're probably cosied up most nights watching Netflix.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

It’ll be very difficult to justify keeping him on if he hasn’t got more points than Martin did. Only reason to sack Martin was because we didn’t think he was getting enough points out of what he had available. If his successor does the same or worse then logically, he has to go.

Obviously that’s simplistic and there’s a few mitigating factors but I doubt he’ll be here come August 

Martin had a full preseason with players he'd managed the season before. Juric inherited an unfit squad drilled into playing walking, keep-ball football and suicidal passing out from our own penalty area. I remain unconvinced that our desperately poor performances are not the result of the shortcomings and vanity project of the previous manager.

[saintant]

48 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He doesn’t look to have exorcised RussBall from the team.  
We were plodding again yesterday, playing sideways and backwards with very little movement off the ball.  The only sprint I can recall was second half from Fernandes that got us a corner.

It’s his job to improve this, a really tough task.  It got worse yesterday. So for me, that was a step back.

Also hate the formation.  3 at the back, and ok, occasionally Bree or THB would venture forward, but Aribo would just sit if they did.  Our midfield gets overrun every week.

Would love to see us go back to 4-2-3-1.

Armstrong and Smallbone were horrendous down the left side.  You would think that Juric would have had enough time to size his players up, yet he still plays them.  I’m don’t give a fuck how many yards Armstrong runs, he rarely wins the ball back, and in possession and in front of goal he is nowhere near good enough.  Manning is like the invisible man when we get attacked down our left.  He is all over the place.

I never expected Juric to keep us up.  I do expect more application from the team and better tactics than we are getting at the moment though.

Also, Danny Rohl is not Brian Clough, he used to hold Ralph’s clipboard.

I agree apart from you saying 'go back to'. When did we ever play this formation before? 

[Wade Garrett]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

I agree apart from you saying 'go back to'. When did we ever play this formation before? 

Fair point.  I suppose we played our best football under Poch and Koeman playing that formation.  
 

[saintant]

8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Fair point.  I suppose we played our best football under Poch and Koeman playing that formation.  
 

For what it's worth I totally agree with you that 4231 is the way to go and have been banging that drum for ages.

[benjii]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why?

Some arguments are:

- Tactically/strategically inflexible

- Doesn't seem to know how to arrange a midfield to protect against transition (same as Martin)

- Terrible record at the club (worst ever, in fact)

- Better candidates should be obtainable 

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, benjii said:

Some arguments are:

- Tactically/strategically inflexible

- Doesn't seem to know how to arrange a midfield to protect against transition (same as Martin)

- Terrible record at the club (worst ever, in fact)

- Better candidates should be obtainable 

Do we have the players in CM to be able to protect against transition at this level though? I don't think we do. Downes is too slow, Lesley is incredibly erratic, Aribo is a lower league footballer and so is Smallbone.

The recruitment in the summer was a mess and we are totally under prepared for this level. That's on Martin as he wanted to build a team of his lower league mates.

It'll be interesting to see what/if we do in the final week to mitigate the big midfield hole we have. (and CB hole, and wide attacking hole, and ST hole etc etc)

Edited yesterday at 12:18 by S-Clarke

[benjii]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Do we have the players in CM to be able to protect against transition at this level though? I don't think we do. Downes is too slow, Lesley is incredibly erratic, Aribo is a lower league footballer and so is Smallbone.

The recruitment in the summer was a mess and we are totally under prepared for this level. That's on Martin as he wanted to build a team of his lower league mates.

It'll be interesting to see what/if we do in the final week to mitigate the big midfield hole we have. (and CB hole, and wide attacking hole, and ST hole etc etc)

Our midfielders are crap, obviously (Fernandes excepted), but we could set up with two deep lying ones to protect the CBs. We would potentially be pretty crap going forwards but we'd always have a chance to grab a goal from a set piece or something. 

That would work better with a back 4 than a 5, but we've got to do something. 

[manji]

1 minute ago, benjii said:

Some arguments are:

- Tactically/strategically inflexible

- Doesn't seem to know how to arrange a midfield to protect against transition (same as Martin)

- Terrible record at the club (worst ever, in fact)

- Better candidates should be obtainable 

Ludicrous. He had been watching Saints games months before we took him on. It was obvious what our problems were and it was fucking obvious we were going to be relegated then I’m sure he would love to win games but he’s experimenting with a side a big chunk of which won’t be here next season 
Hes a pragmatic tough guy 

im sure he doesn’t give a fuck about our stats as the worst team ever . He will be looking ahead to next season already. 
 

There’s an alternative I’m not sure how true this is that’s he’s been brought in to toughen the team identify weaknesses in preparation for Danny Rohl to take over . In essence bad cop to Rohl good cop. 

I would have thought Juvic is too proud a man for that but if he’s being paid enough money it’s possible .

as a few have pointed out Dragan was fucked off we didn’t have automatic promotion . I’m sure that’s why he’s taken over full responsibility for the team that’s doesn’t mean he picks new signings but it will mean the “ football brains “ working under him will be under far more supervion . 
he does run a lot of big companies . 
 

I do wonder if his kicking chairs around in hospitality was him admitting to himself he had been let down  by his advisers. 
a good manager of every corporation relys on delegation. One of many’s reasons why he’s East European companies.

Think about he’s pumped a fair bit of company into the club expecting to tell his contacts and associates how well his Premier League Club are doing .
 

[woodsaint1]

Really dont get the clamour for Rohl. 

Yes he may be familiar with the club, but he left us in August 2019 and a lot has changed since then.

By the summer he will have a grand total of 18 months managerial experience. Is that what a team who will be expected to get promotion needs?

He may be familiar with the Championship, but again only 18 months of experience. 

Yes he's turned Wednesday's fortunes around, but if they dont make the playoffs (which is unlikely anyways) then it matters little. Wasnt RM hammered for having not achieved anything when he was appointed our manager. Sure Selles turned Reading around and may do similar with Hull, but 95% of our fans would never have him back as manager.

We can do much better imo. And fwiw I wouldnt appoint Juric either - he is wedded to 5 at the back, a system which is not sustainable long term in the PL.

[benjii]

51 minutes ago, manji said:

Ludicrous. He had been watching Saints games months before we took him on. It was obvious what our problems were and it was fucking obvious we were going to be relegated then I’m sure he would love to win games but he’s experimenting with a side a big chunk of which won’t be here next season 
Hes a pragmatic tough guy 

im sure he doesn’t give a fuck about our stats as the worst team ever . He will be looking ahead to next season already. 
 

There’s an alternative I’m not sure how true this is that’s he’s been brought in to toughen the team identify weaknesses in preparation for Danny Rohl to take over . In essence bad cop to Rohl good cop. 

I would have thought Juvic is too proud a man for that but if he’s being paid enough money it’s possible .

as a few have pointed out Dragan was fucked off we didn’t have automatic promotion . I’m sure that’s why he’s taken over full responsibility for the team that’s doesn’t mean he picks new signings but it will mean the “ football brains “ working under him will be under far more supervion . 
he does run a lot of big companies . 
 

I do wonder if his kicking chairs around in hospitality was him admitting to himself he had been let down  by his advisers. 
a good manager of every corporation relys on delegation. One of many’s reasons why he’s East European companies.

Think about he’s pumped a fair bit of company into the club expecting to tell his contacts and associates how well his Premier League Club are doing .
 

Calm down, dear.

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Really dont get the clamour for Rohl. 

Yes he may be familiar with the club, but he left us in August 2019 and a lot has changed since then.

By the summer he will have a grand total of 18 months managerial experience. Is that what a team who will be expected to get promotion needs?

He may be familiar with the Championship, but again only 18 months of experience. 

Yes he's turned Wednesday's fortunes around, but if they dont make the playoffs (which is unlikely anyways) then it matters little. Wasnt RM hammered for having not achieved anything when he was appointed our manager. Sure Selles turned Reading around and may do similar with Hull, but 95% of our fans would never have him back as manager.

We can do much better imo. And fwiw I wouldnt appoint Juric either - he is wedded to 5 at the back, a system which is not sustainable long term in the PL.

Achievement is relative. Getting that Wednesday team solidly into the top half would be a much better achievement than finishing fifth with Leeds, for example. Rohl is doing an excellent job there with obviously inferior players to the ones Saints will likely have next season. I’m not saying I’m desperate for us to get him but all the signs point to him being a decent manager at that level. I don’t care if he only has 18 months experience, personally, I care about what he can do for us in the future. 

[Hodgey]

7 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Really dont get the clamour for Rohl. 

Yes he may be familiar with the club, but he left us in August 2019 and a lot has changed since then.

By the summer he will have a grand total of 18 months managerial experience. Is that what a team who will be expected to get promotion needs?

He may be familiar with the Championship, but again only 18 months of experience. 

Yes he's turned Wednesday's fortunes around, but if they dont make the playoffs (which is unlikely anyways) then it matters little. Wasnt RM hammered for having not achieved anything when he was appointed our manager. Sure Selles turned Reading around and may do similar with Hull, but 95% of our fans would never have him back as manager.

We can do much better imo. And fwiw I wouldnt appoint Juric either - he is wedded to 5 at the back, a system which is not sustainable long term in the PL.

He’s turned a relegation headed team into a promotion team in the same league we will be in. He’s also done it under a complete lunatic. He’s getting a tune out of players we couldn’t (Charles and Valery). The fans love him (I know a few) and he’s been part of highly successful coaching teams at the highest level. He will also have live insight into pretty much every single team (and players) in that league.

He may not be the answer but I’m struggling to think of someone more suitable. (Ie on results you could point to Rowett but I just don’t see the fit)