Ivan Juric

[Fabrice29]

2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Think you are missing the point. Credit for taking on the job in the first place, shaking up the Martin fan boys in the dressing room, trying to instill some form of discipline to an ill managed squad. Its not worked out on the pitch, but nobody would have got us to PL survival this season. If you think anyone half decent was coming here you are deluded. 

Are we really at the stage where we are concluding players who played well last year and now don't get in the team for whatever reason ill managed, undisciplined and needed shaking up?  

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

Adam Blackmore weighing in on 'his' take..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton 

It's an odd piece really - not quite sure the point of it other than perhaps he knows something and wants to get ahead of the curve. 

Saying "don't wait until the end of the season, get Rohl in now" is not an 'expert view" as the BBC would have it.

That would be insane. The next manager needs to feel like a fresh start, pre season training in July and off we go. Absolutely nothing to be gained by coming in now to this shitshow.

Don't disagree on Juric feeling like a condemned man for two months, yeah fine, fuck him off now. But a caretaker is absolutely fine until summer.

Edited Wednesday at 21:09 by CB Fry

[Katalinic]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Saying "don't wait until the end of the season, get Rohl in now" is not an 'expert view" as the BBC would have it.

That would be insane. The next manager needs to feel like a fresh start, pre season training in July and off we go. Absolutely nothing to be gained by coming in now to this shitshow.

Don't disagree on Juric feeling like a condemned man for two months, yeah fine, fuck him off now. But a caretaker is absolutely fine until summer.

Yep, it makes no financial sense either if we pay less post relegation. A lot of planning will happen in the background unofficially with Rohl I am sure.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Are we really at the stage where we are concluding players who played well last year and now don't get in the team for whatever reason ill managed, undisciplined and needed shaking up?  

I don't think its too much of a stretch to suggest that life at SFC was on easy street under Martin. Of course, neither you are I can jump to conclusions as we aren't privvy to what goes on at Staplewood, but you seem quick to dismiss the notion.

[Fabrice29]

39 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I don't think its too much of a stretch to suggest that life at SFC was on easy street under Martin. Of course, neither you are I can jump to conclusions as we aren't privvy to what goes on at Staplewood, but you seem quick to dismiss the notion.

"easy street", "undisciplined", "ill managed" "need shaking up" - presumably because of a day off at Xmas and some bad performances but yeah I'm glad neither you or I are jumping to conclusions.

[Lighthouse]

I’ve no idea what anyone thinks sacking him will achieve, as if Rusk is going to turn things around. Juric might as well stay because well, what’s the point?

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

"easy street", "undisciplined", "ill managed" "need shaking up" - presumably because of a day off at Xmas and some bad performances but yeah I'm glad neither you or I are jumping to conclusions.

Sounds as though you believe our players were as fit as they could be after a pre-season training under RM. If so, I've got a bridge you might like to buy.

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, Football Special said:

Yeah is he saying he's actually achieved something because we've just got worse from my perspective 

Differently worse.

[Fabrice29]

15 minutes ago, saintant said:

Sounds as though you believe our players were as fit as they could be after a pre-season training under RM. If so, I've got a bridge you might like to buy.

I'm not willing to jump on a vague "fitness" bandwagon with no real evidence for it, correct. Especially not to back up other vague claims.

Edited Wednesday at 22:55 by Fabrice29

[HKsaint]

Juric is now a dead man walking to Derby record. Let him go now please.

[AlexLaw76]

#FreeIvan

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I’ve no idea what anyone thinks sacking him will achieve, as if Rusk is going to turn things around. Juric might as well stay because well, what’s the point?

That's right, everyone thinks that a caretaker is going to "turn things round" 🙄

Pretty sure the point is that it is irrelevant whether Juric is here or not now. He's getting paid either way but if he's not actually around to put an attacking midfielder in at CB one more time, it doesn't matter.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

That's right, everyone thinks that a caretaker is going to "turn things round" 🙄

Pretty sure the point is that it is irrelevant whether Juric is here or not now. He's getting paid either way but if he's not actually around to put an attacking midfielder in at CB one more time, it doesn't matter.

Yes, that is the point. So remind me again what the point of sacking him is?

This is from the man who absolutely assured me that the new man would get 20 games/the end of the season when talking about sacking Martin earlier in the season, so I wouldn’t get too righteous about it.

[CB Fry]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Yes, that is the point. So remind me again what the point of sacking him is?

This is from the man who absolutely assured me that the new man would get 20 games/the end of the season when talking about sacking Martin earlier in the season, so I wouldn’t get too righteous about it.

What are you on about. 
 

The thing I said would happen is pretty much happening, albeit we sacked Martin far too late - some of us remember your gloating about how great it was that we didn’t sack him after 6 games when as is painfully clear right now that’s precisely what we should have done.

 

i said we’d get a replacement in for Martin, if he’s good he’s the guy for next season if it doesn’t work we bin off and start again for the Championship.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 hours ago, saintant said:

Sounds as though you believe our players were as fit as they could be after a pre-season training under RM. If so, I've got a bridge you might like to buy.

Depends on the bridge.

Bridge over troubled waters

Bridge of sighs.

Both useful this season. 🙂

[Farmer Saint]

I think the whole fitness thing under Martin was a reasonable assertion to make when we were shipping goals near the end of his reign, but the fact it has gotten worse under Juric says to me it's probably not true. We didn't have any issues last season with fitness - in fact if I remember rightly we scored a large amount of late winners.

 

[danjosaint]

Thing is as a rule you can't get fitter through the season so pre season means everything. The championship we were at fitness levels that were good for the championship, the problem lies we were totally under prepared fitness wise and squad wise and probably a little bit arrogant blasé  about how good certain people thought we were based on our possession stats. Jurics issue is not so much fitness but the shambolic formation and tactics and people running around like headless chickens expending there energy unwisely because there not actually sure where there positioning is with the ball and without, I was hoping Ivan would succeed as I thought we needed a bit old school disaplinarin but I guess hearing noises around he'd too much, and going from one matey way of managing to his is probably too extreme, **** knows where we go next but a massive reboot is needed including manager, probably 10 players going and perhaps another football man upstairs 

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

That's right, everyone thinks that a caretaker is going to "turn things round" 🙄

Pretty sure the point is that it is irrelevant whether Juric is here or not now. He's getting paid either way but if he's not actually around to put an attacking midfielder in at CB one more time, it doesn't matter.

i think you'll find a team managed by Rusk has never lost a premier league game or ever conceded a Premier league goal. If anyone can turn it around it's him.

Edited Thursday at 09:27 by Turkish

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Depends on the bridge.

Bridge over troubled waters

Bridge of sighs.

Both useful this season. 🙂

Bridge too far more like 

[Farmer Saint]

30 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Thing is as a rule you can't get fitter through the season so pre season means everything. The championship we were at fitness levels that were good for the championship, the problem lies we were totally under prepared fitness wise and squad wise and probably a little bit arrogant blasé  about how good certain people thought we were based on our possession stats. Jurics issue is not so much fitness but the shambolic formation and tactics and people running around like headless chickens expending there energy unwisely because there not actually sure where there positioning is with the ball and without, I was hoping Ivan would succeed as I thought we needed a bit old school disaplinarin but I guess hearing noises around he'd too much, and going from one matey way of managing to his is probably too extreme, **** knows where we go next but a massive reboot is needed including manager, probably 10 players going and perhaps another football man upstairs 

In the professional game I wouldn't say fitness changes massively between divisions - in fact fitness may be higher in the lower leagues as they have to play so many league games. I dunno.

[trousers]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I’ve no idea what anyone thinks sacking him will achieve, as if Rusk is going to turn things around. Juric might as well stay because well, what’s the point?

I guess it might depend on whether the club has a first team coaching position in mind for Rusk under Rohl? If Rusk is going to remain involved with the first team next season it *could* be beneficial to give him the reigns for the remainder of this season to provide a degree of management continuity for when Rohl takes over in the summer. Dunno. Just thinking out loud.

Edited Thursday at 10:01 by trousers

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

I guess it might depend on whether the club has a first team coaching position in mind for Rusk under Rohl? If Rusk is going to remain involved with the first team next season it *could* be beneficial to give him the reigns for the remainder of this season to provide a degree of management continuity for when Rohl takes over in the summer. Dunno. Just thinking out loud.

The flip side of that is that right now Juric is the fall guy who soaks up all the bullets. If we put Rusk in the firing line, there’s a risk he loses his authority and respect in the dressing room, should he preside over a couple of absolute humpings.

[trousers]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

The flip side of that is that right now Juric is the fall guy who soaks up all the bullets. If we put Rusk in the firing line, there’s a risk he loses his authority and respect in the dressing room, should he preside over a couple of absolute humpings.

Yeah, agree there's pros and cons to either approach.

[Doctoroncall]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yeah, agree there's pros and cons to either approach.

Or upsides and downsides. 

[James G]

Forest have covered the least distance and are doing well, but also have the least injuries. Spurs the polar opposite on both scales. Saints haven't run far overall, but sprints should have increased with Juric, but haven't. The team are also generally running less since Prowse left, indicating lack of leadership on the pitch, possibly?

[austsaint]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Yes, that is the point. So remind me again what the point of sacking him is?

This is from the man who absolutely assured me that the new man would get 20 games/the end of the season when talking about sacking Martin earlier in the season, so I wouldn’t get too righteous about it.

The point, in sacking Juric now and installing a caretaker is quite clear.  Likeable though he is; refreshingly honest and up front though he has been, he’s failed dismally in several key areas.   Despite claiming to have followed the Club prior to joining and gaining a knowledge of the players - he clearly hasn’t.  The spectacle of watching Aribo, Bree and even Manning and the potentially excellent LB Wellington thrown into CB roles in Juric’s inflexible defensive formation with a weird man marking system thrown in has been every bit as cringeworthy to watch as Martin’s possession obsession.  Let’s not even raise the subject of the midfield fiasco…..but his misplaced faith in the unfortunate Smallbone comes quickly to mind.

Given the financial implications are the same, whether he stays or goes at the end of the season, why not put an end to this slow drip humiliation?    Give Ivan his money, let him lick his wounds and give him a chance to salvage something of his managerial reputation. Install a Rusk like caretaker so we can limp to seasons end with a focus on the clear out and rebuild.  Let’s not demoralise the players, supporters and Club any longer than necessary.

[Winnersaint]

If as some reports suggest the players aren't buying into Juric's way perhaps it would be better to part ways now. Having a manager who's a dead man walking will only add to the malaise. Rollback to March 22, we weren't doing so bad, we'd picked up 18 points since Boxing Day 2021 beaten Norwich. Ralph was nominated for February MotM along with Klopp, Arteta and Howe then sometime around beating Norwich and knocking West Ham out of the cup Ralph says he's going to leave/retire at the end of the 23/24 season. We then get 4 points from the next 36 and begin the 22/23 season sluggishly getting 12 points from 27 before the WC and RH's departure. May just be coincidence but odd how the wheels dropped off once that was out in the open.

[Give it to Ron]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Depends on the bridge.

Bridge over troubled waters

Bridge of sighs.

Both useful this season. 🙂

If it’s Frankie Bridge I’m interested 

[Farmer Saint]

24 minutes ago, James G said:

Forest have covered the least distance and are doing well, but also have the least injuries. Spurs the polar opposite on both scales. Saints haven't run far overall, but sprints should have increased with Juric, but haven't. The team are also generally running less since Prowse left, indicating lack of leadership on the pitch, possibly?

JWP always ran the furthest in the PL season on season, so it may be just that losing him has dropped our average?

[Suhari]

Little difference if he goes now or at the end of the season.

We just need the new guy in as quickly as we can once the season's done, players in/out as early as we can (always going to drag a bit of course), and a beast of a pre-season to get everyone fired up.

Dragan and Spors can't dally or fuck about trying to be clever. We need a reset, the basics done really well, and some positive early momentum to the new regime.

[sadoldgit]

If he isn’t staying next season there seems little point in keeping him here now. Out of the two I would back Rusk to scrape a few more points together rather than Juric.

The emphasis now (apart from getting more points than Derby) should be on working on who the next coach will be and next season’s squad. Who is staying, who is going and who do we need to bring in. If Juric isn’t going to be around to be part of that metric going forward just give him gardening leave. I have plenty of weeds that need to be dug up.

[Sarnia Cherie]

On 04/03/2025 at 13:43, S-Clarke said:

Rohl would probably be the first appointment we've made that would have a collective agreement among the fan base.

Martin had questions around him, Jones did and Juric was a bit of an unknown.

They always seem to go left field with their choices, but if they go for Rohl it's the first 'no brainer' appointment they've gone with.

Everything aligns with him, what with our new DoF, the style of football the manager and DoF support, the foundations laid by Ralph, his familiarity with the club etc. 

Let's see what happens. The Jury is still out as SR are not known to make sensible choices, so we'll see if this pans out as it truly does make sense.

I feel sad for Juric as he seems a decent guy, he's been parachuted into an absolute shit show and he's not been able to do what he wants. Hopefully he can get a new job after this, as his stints at Roma and here have put a massive dent in his reputation.

You wouldn't fancy a seat on the Board? Your suggestions usually make a lot of sense and we need bucketloads of that in the Boardroom to avoid any more chaotic and clueless appointments.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

13 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

"easy street", "undisciplined", "ill managed" "need shaking up" - presumably because of a day off at Xmas and some bad performances but yeah I'm glad neither you or I are jumping to conclusions.

You have yout opinions and I have mine. I happen to think under Martin the club was run like a load of mates on a year long stag party. Not bothered if you think differently. 

[goodymatt]

 

[saintant]

15 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm not willing to jump on a vague "fitness" bandwagon with no real evidence for it, correct. Especially not to back up other vague claims.

Use your eyes by watching our matches. If you think we look as fit as our opponents I've got a second bridge to sell you.

[trousers]

41 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

A masterclass in not answering the question

[Fabrice29]

2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

You have yout opinions and I have mine. I happen to think under Martin the club was run like a load of mates on a year long stag party. Not bothered if you think differently. 

Which is another vague statement without actually any evidence for it other than bad performances this season but yeah different opinions and all that. 

Oh and once again, not just vague statements based on little but no actual reasoning to suggest that we’ve improved by stopping the year long stag party and how good it is now they’ve all been shaken up. 

Edited Thursday at 14:37 by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

29 minutes ago, saintant said:

Use your eyes by watching our matches. If you think we look as fit as our opponents I've got a second bridge to sell you.

I think you’re mistaking fitness with physical capabilities personally but maybe your eyes can decipher the finer fitness details of individuals unlike mine. 

[beatlesaint]

Rohl - got the hair, needs to work on the beard for the full Russell Martin look !

[goodymatt]

51 minutes ago, trousers said:

A masterclass in not answering the question

Does his smile say more than his words here? He also didn’t shut it down at all really, focussing on the short term rest of season’s goals. I’d say there’s a very good chance he’s our manager on 1/6. Juric has also changed his tune from ‘wanting to create something’ to ‘when you lose regularly you’re job is a risk, that’s football.’

Edited Thursday at 14:57 by goodymatt

[goodymatt]

14 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Rohl - got the hair, needs to work on the beard for the full Russell Martin look !

With Russ and Stu no longer in the building, we do need someone with great hair. Sign him up.

[Fabrice29]

31 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Does his smile say more than his words here? He also didn’t shut it down at all really, focussing on the short term rest of season’s goals. I’d say there’s a very good chance he’s our manager on 1/6. Juric has also changed his tune from ‘wanting to create something’ to ‘when you lose regularly you’re job is a risk, that’s football.’

That smile is going to hit different when he goes to somewhere in Germany in the summer. 

[notnowcato]

5 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

The flip side of that is that right now Juric is the fall guy who soaks up all the bullets. If we put Rusk in the firing line, there’s a risk he loses his authority and respect in the dressing room, should he preside over a couple of absolute humpings.

I dunno, at some point the dressing room has to start taking some ownership of their part in this shit show.  I think this group of players have very little credibility in determining the level of authority or respect the manager deserves.  The one constant in this fuck fest of a season are the players and the board.... the two constants in this piss poor campaign so far are... 

I'm not a fan of the way Juric sets the team up or the complete lack of purpose they show but I also can sympathise with the hand he's taken on.  

[StrangelyBrown]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think you’re mistaking fitness with physical capabilities personally but maybe your eyes can decipher the finer fitness details of individuals unlike mine. 

I agree it's difficult to be certain. Unfit teams normally suffer from losing late goals - we're so bad we ship goals for fun all the time.

Having said that we don't seem capable of running as much and as hard as anyone else in the division and our players aren't very strong in the tackle, but that could just be that we have a team that aren't as good athletes as the rest.

What is clear is that our squad is bloated with players who just aren't athletic enough for this division whether or not you call it fitness or call it physical capabilities and that is on the scouting and coaching teams (past and present).

[Fabrice29]

54 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I agree it's difficult to be certain. Unfit teams normally suffer from losing late goals - we're so bad we ship goals for fun all the time.

Having said that we don't seem capable of running as much and as hard as anyone else in the division and our players aren't very strong in the tackle, but that could just be that we have a team that aren't as good athletes as the rest.

What is clear is that our squad is bloated with players who just aren't athletic enough for this division whether or not you call it fitness or call it physical capabilities and that is on the scouting and coaching teams (past and present).

Absolutely agree.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Must say I’m feeling really sorry for juric watching that press conference and the way some of the fans are turning on him.he seems a lovely guy and I’d love him to turn it around and keep the job .gotta remember we was utterly shit before and it’s a lot more Martin and wilcoxes decisions that put us in this position then juric .

he hasn’t done himself any favours   with the formation, man markings and playing out of position cbs.. but I’d say there have been improvements in attack and he’s certainly gotten sulemana and Paul looking decent again, they would be more likely to stay in the championship under juric I feel ..

Personally I feel he could still a good job championship it’s a huge step down and if martin can get us promoted with passing out from the back and bazunu in goal I can’t see why Ivan couldn’t.’my worry with him would be can he cut it at premiership level? as so far the trial hasn’t  worked out .. but maybe it could if he gets recruitment to suit and players that buy in to his ways ?

Edited Thursday at 20:09 by pimpin4rizeal

[pimpin4rizeal]

9 hours ago, Winnersaint said:

If as some reports suggest the players aren't buying into Juric's way perhaps it would be better to part ways now. Having a manager who's a dead man walking will only add to the malaise. Rollback to March 22, we weren't doing so bad, we'd picked up 18 points since Boxing Day 2021 beaten Norwich. Ralph was nominated for February MotM along with Klopp, Arteta and Howe then sometime around beating Norwich and knocking West Ham out of the cup Ralph says he's going to leave/retire at the end of the 23/24 season. We then get 4 points from the next 36 and begin the 22/23 season sluggishly getting 12 points from 27 before the WC and RH's departure. May just be coincidence but odd how the wheels dropped off once that was out in the open.

But why should he be punished for the players acting like self entitled pricks ? They where shit under martin and now they are still shit so maybe it’s the ones who are not trying who should be fucked off instead of the manager ?

we might well be slagging off rohl right now if he took the mission impossible on in December instead of juric 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

Put Rusk in till the end of the season.

Keep Juric in situ and we're absolutely NOT shaking Derby's record.

That is the unthinkable.

We will NEVER live that down.

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I agree it's difficult to be certain. Unfit teams normally suffer from losing late goals - we're so bad we ship goals for fun all the time.

Having said that we don't seem capable of running as much and as hard as anyone else in the division and our players aren't very strong in the tackle, but that could just be that we have a team that aren't as good athletes as the rest.

What is clear is that our squad is bloated with players who just aren't athletic enough for this division whether or not you call it fitness or call it physical capabilities and that is on the scouting and coaching teams (past and present).

The old adage is that winning becomes a habit. So does losing. As a kid I remember playing in a poor side who used to get hammered every week. I remember every game as being a trial and feeling like I was running in treacle. It is tough as a team when you are not getting results no matter how fit you are. I think it is pretty clear that moral is non existent and that we lost our way a long time ago. Judic inherited a poison chalice and hasn’t been able to turn things around for whatever reason. Everything we do and every decision that is made from now on must be with the aim of making things 100% better for next season.

[Saint Fan CaM]

On 05/03/2025 at 12:24, hypochondriac said:

I don't understand the logic of that. We had them in the squad last time and we were challenging for promotion because they are decent championship players. Once we get into the prem then of course they aren't good enough but that's a different matter. 

 

On 05/03/2025 at 12:25, Fabrice29 said:

Except for the time they all challenged for promotion and finished in the top 6 last year of course. 

Let me remind you of some pertinent facts…

1. We finished 4th, scraped the final and frankly some of the wins/draws getting there were hardly convincing, often going behind and seeing awful gaffs at the back between a flapping Bazunu and slow defenders. OK, so we got promoted…but then so did Ipswich and Leicester who were better than us in the league below and still find themselves staring at relegation. I suppose the income for the Prem will be useful keeping the three relegated teams afloat.

2. With a supposedly improved team from the one that got promoted, we’ve achieved the huge haul of 9 points and have shown they’re too fragile to beat supposedly weaker teams on occasion. Yeah, this team are World beaters alright! 😂

3. Whatever has happened to the squad since SR took over has to be unpicked and repaired in substantial fashion, because whatever the strategy has been, it’s been an unmitigated disaster.

4. Any team with serious intention of promotion and making even a moderate success of a season in the Prem, needs to preferably start building a Prem team in the Championship as that allows bonding and on-field empathy early on and so morale will be much better. The majority of the players in the squad are just not fit for purpose if we want a SUSTAINABLE return to the Prem - it’s as simple as that.  
 

Outside of Rambo, THB, Dibling, Fernandes and perhaps Archer and Welington (assuming KWP is going anyway), I’d love to see your list of players that you think will be good enough for next season. To my mind, if you start arguing for Downes or Bednarek for example, there’s no reason for not including 7-8 others of equal (poor) standard and then all of a sudden you’ve got the entirety of a shit team staying for another round of unremarkable displays and loser mentality. I’m sick of it and while I doubt it will happen, I want to see a cull of epic proportions so I get to see my team consist of players who are capable and give a shit.