sambosa75 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, Chez said: I can't argue with that, but posts like "the players are unfit" or "the players don't care" only seem to appear when we are losing. Defeats sure do hone the fitness detection eye. We are losing every week handsomely. I think its a pretty valid conclusion to reach don't you?
Convict Colony Posted February 26 Posted February 26 i just want us to fluke 3pts and break derbys total. 8
saintant Posted February 26 Posted February 26 31 minutes ago, Chez said: Whenever we are going through a shit patch "fitness" is blamed and all kinds of experts with amazing eyes for player fitness emerge. Could it be that the players are fit, and they are trying too, but they are just not playing well, good enough, confident, winning etc... If anyone believes we are as fit as the rest in this league they are watching a different game to me. It's all about opinions but I see a team that labours through every game while opponents such as Bmuff seem able to run and run for 90 minutes. 8
trousers Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: I think the post I quoted in the previous page sums up nicely the point I was making. I don't think it does but life is too short to argue the toss on a internet football forum. Edited February 26 by trousers 1
trousers Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Chez said: I can't argue with that, but posts like "the players are unfit" or "the players don't care" only seem to appear when we are losing. Defeats sure do hone the fitness detection eye. I guess that's because it's natural / logical to look for possible reasons why we lost when we lose.... There's logically no need for a post-mortem if/when we grab a (rare) win. Nevertheless, even teams that aren't fully fit will inevitably scrape a result every now and then. Edited February 26 by trousers
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted February 26 Posted February 26 It’s understandable that fitness levels are being questioned, the requirements of the PL are certainly on another level. Other sides just look, sharper, stronger and a yard quicker. It’s also evident that when you’re on a winning streak everyone wants the ball, when you’re losing every week players go missing. Ridiculous for ‘professional’ footballers but how it is. 1
Lighthouse Posted February 26 Posted February 26 2 hours ago, beatlesaint said: You cannot be serious! Even RM used to make changes dead on 60 mins (or as near as) cos they were running out of steam (nothing to do with 2 days off a week and just passing the bloody thing around in little triangles in training I'm sure). There is a reason everything is so slow and laboured, THEY AREN'T FIT ENOUGH !! A crap player who is being outclassed can still put in tons more effort than this shower of shite. Juric was on a hiding to nothing trying to get them fitter from mid-season onwards but whilst there have been the very odd sighting its by and large not changed. Lots of managers make planned changes on 60 minutes, when Leicester won the league you could set your watch by them bringing on Okazaki for Ulloa (or vice versa, I forget which), that doesn’t mean anything. 2 days off a week and just passing around in triangles in training is complete conjecture, I’ve nothing to say to that. You can choose to believe that Martin let his mates have half the week of and that training was just a jolly for the lads if you like, but going by what we’ve seen on the pitch you would also have to accept that Juric has come in and changed nothing. As it is I don’t think that’s the case at all, I don’t think our players are unfit and it’s not something I need to blame on either manager this season. Our players are quite simply outclassed, low moral and chasing around far superior players. I think some people underestimate the psychology of everything going to sh*t and being in a situation which you know is hopeless. 2
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 26 Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Chez said: posts like "the players are unfit" or "the players don't care" only seem to appear when we are losing. We got 2 lucky wins, Everton should have scored & the Ipswich keeper had a Baz. Perhaps if we were fitter and the players cared a bit more, we’d be up with the mighty Ipswich. 4
Holmes_and_Watson Posted February 26 Posted February 26 3 hours ago, trousers said: I don't think it does but life is too short to argue the toss on a internet football forum. No, it isn't! 🙂 4
danjosaint Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) For me the concerning thing about Ivans tactics is not only is a shit formation for the EPL but whatever they are discussing and trying out with players in and out of possession. Last night I actually watched player movement as opposed to game in general and it was bizarre. I get the basis without the ball we fall into a 5 and with the ball we push full backs on, or a cb will step into midfield.what is baffling is there is literally no shape or cohesion. You have Aribo playing lcb but in 2nd half he broke away as the left winger and low and behold it was Bree i think on the edge of there box, smallbone had filled in at cb, the amount of times certain cbs were the furthest forward, hence when Downes got caught out for 2nd the cb was ahead of him and downes was on his own trying to recover. Our cbs where everywhere except in a solid shape, no wonder we get cut open through the middle several times a game, then chasing game we change to a false 9, really really bonkers, I'm not sure if it's down to this alleged multi man marking he prefers and they decide pre game who's marking who but yes the players are crap but you can understand why nobody seems to know where they're supposed to be positioned and it's a disorganised mashed up mess. It's so embarrassing watching Aribo and Smallbone a yard behind play trying to grab players like kids football. I liked what Ivan had to say at the start but my God how we found such an awful tactician is beyond me Edited February 26 by danjosaint 4 1
trousers Posted February 26 Posted February 26 10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: No, it isn't! 🙂 *Trousers suppresses his inner Widow Twanky* 2
Gloucester Saint Posted February 26 Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, trousers said: *Trousers suppresses his inner Widow Twanky* She’d still be quicker over ten yards than Smallbone 3
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted February 26 Posted February 26 11 hours ago, Appy said: Still playing a back three when we have no decent centre backs or any centre backs really, shows what a naive, poor tactician he is. Was prepared to give him a few games to see what impact he could make, but having watched us concede 8 and score none in the last four days is enough for me. I get it he's on a hiding to nothing, I get it that some players have thrown in the towel but what I don't get is his inability to adapt and try new tactics. He gives off an air of someone who wants out. That's understandable. He probably came in thinking he'd give it a punt and quickly realised his position was hopeless. But poor tactics and playing players out of position (why does he play Aribo at centre back?) tell me he isn't the one to lead us next year. 5 1
EBS1980 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 18 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: Even though we didn’t sign a decent forward we needed? We need better physical players , pace, power and ability we have spent over 200m to have this shambles of a squad. Last season recruitment wasn’t a problem. This season yes, we didn’t do enough to strengthen the areas we knew we were short. Too many gambles or players known not to be PL level
Whitey Grandad Posted February 27 Posted February 27 On 26/02/2025 at 15:29, TheAlehouseBrawlers said: It’s understandable that fitness levels are being questioned, the requirements of the PL are certainly on another level. Other sides just look, sharper, stronger and a yard quicker. It’s also evident that when you’re on a winning streak everyone wants the ball, when you’re losing every week players go missing. Ridiculous for ‘professional’ footballers but how it is. There was a comment in another game the other night, ”Nobody wants the ball and when they get it they don’t know what to do with it”
die Mannyschaft Posted March 1 Posted March 1 3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: I totally disagree with those saying we need a mass clearout the gap between premiership and championship is huge as you can see by Leicester and Ipswich also being shit.. all three of us very strong last season if we keep most of the squad together most of our players are really strong for championship level and even Martin managed to get promoted with bazunu in goal to add to that what is the point in having a huge revamp n the championship when we will not be able to attract the players we would if in the premiership . Meaning they could end up like downes and Thb or worse again when we get promoted .. surely makes more sense to keep a very championship proven team together and keep our powder mainly dry for when we go up that’s when we need the clear out That's exactly what happened at Chelsea, no one looked comfortable on the bal, quick pass to give it to some one else. First 20 mins look ok then it was back to no one understands what we are supposed to do, how to play or do we go back to Russball.
Guest Posted March 1 Posted March 1 He’s tactically inept. Simple as. Playing a back five in a relegation battle is stupid. Playing players out of position is mad. Not adjusting your tactics when you’ve already gone a couple of goals down is downright baffling. Not changing for the next game is unforgivable. Rince and repeat.
danjosaint Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Juric in ring celebrating with ryan garner....maybe he'll play him cb
Suhari Posted March 1 Posted March 1 14 minutes ago, danjosaint said: Juric in ring celebrating with ryan garner....maybe he'll play him cb He'd bring some much needed punch. 1
Saint NL Posted March 2 Posted March 2 16 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Decent tactical breakdown of the chelsea game A good read, thanks for posting. 1
BarberSaint Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Turkish said: Everytime I see him I see Robert DI Niro in meet the Fookers Far friendlier face. Better at tactics, too.
Charlie Wayman Posted March 3 Posted March 3 22 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He'll probably give a sigh of relief 3
Charlie Wayman Posted March 3 Posted March 3 If Danny Rohl is the answer why wasn't the question asked when Ralph left. 1
beatlesaint Posted March 3 Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: If Danny Rohl is the answer why wasn't the question asked when Ralph left. Because he was assistant manager to the German national team when Ralph left I believe 1
CB Fry Posted March 3 Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: If Danny Rohl is the answer why wasn't the question asked when Ralph left. Because it was two and half years ago and we were in the Premier League? 2
LGTL Posted March 3 Posted March 3 It’s the obvious choice and would probably be a managerial appointment that would appease the vast majority, for the first time since Ralph. 2
Badger Posted March 3 Posted March 3 57 minutes ago, LGTL said: It’s the obvious choice and would probably be a managerial appointment that would appease the vast majority, for the first time since Ralph. Perhaps too obvious for us… I’m half expecting Leicester to go for Rohl when they get shot of RVN. Apart from Alan Ball joining Lawrie when he was DoF, when have we ever gone for an obvious and outstanding candidate? Just remember most people thought Redknapp then at Bournemouth was the obvious candidate when Nicholl got the push. We ended up with Branfoot. Perhaps Spors will be the difference this time.
Turkish Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, ally_uk said: You gotta Rohl with it! Of course it should be that but we all know it’ll be “Danny Rohl, he’s one of our own” or something badly adapted already sung for someone else by Liverpool or another club 1 1
woodsaint1 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Will be happy to see the back of Juric but not convinced that Rohl is the answer. That being said, our recruitment in the summer and what our team looks like come the start of the season is as equally important as the man in the dugout 2
madge Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I do like jurics honesty.. I think he’s a decent manager and will do well elsewhere but not quite the fit for Southampton. Fair play for taking the job which is an impossible one…. 4
Fabrice29 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) Rohl a good appointment from a man management point of view if all vibes are that’s he’s good with his players are true. Not convinced his style of football is successful in the championship tbh but probably suits the PL better so I’d be quite happy to see us go that route. Will really need a physical goal scorer to get us out of the Championship though. Edited March 3 by Fabrice29
CB Fry Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Badger said: Perhaps too obvious for us… I’m half expecting Leicester to go for Rohl when they get shot of RVN. Apart from Alan Ball joining Lawrie when he was DoF, when have we ever gone for an obvious and outstanding candidate? Just remember most people thought Redknapp then at Bournemouth was the obvious candidate when Nicholl got the push. We ended up with Branfoot. Perhaps Spors will be the difference this time. Obvious and Outstanding not quite the same. Alan Ball was obvious and it worked brilliantly but he wasn't outstanding - he was managing Exeter City when he joined us and not that well. Still a genius appointment though. Pardew maybe as good as manager as we could get in L1 and Hoddle definitely was an outstanding candidate. Mark Hughes was obvious in that he's the guy you call when you're desperate and have run out of foreign coaches. We should have got Redknapp from Bournemouth 100%, he could have been a Saints legend and/or bankrupted us or both. Edited March 3 by CB Fry 2
Zorba Posted March 4 Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: If Danny Rohl is the answer why wasn't the question asked when Ralph left. Because he wasn’t a mid table Championship manager then. Why do we set our sights so low? 1
Midfield_General Posted March 4 Posted March 4 9 hours ago, Zorba said: Because he wasn’t a mid table Championship manager then. Why do we set our sights so low? Who do you think we should go for who is better and would take the job? 2
miserableoldgit Posted Tuesday at 10:59 Posted Tuesday at 10:59 6 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Who do you think we should go for who is better and would take the job? Whilst we are a "basket-case" at the moment, next season with the right set up and a decent "war-chest" we could be quite an attractive prospect. 2
sadoldgit Posted Tuesday at 11:12 Posted Tuesday at 11:12 The idea that no one would want to come here is nonsense. The trick is not filling the job, it is finding the right person. Ok, the likes of Klopp wouldn’t want the job but that is not to say that someone of reasonable quality wouldn’t come here. 4
Sarnia Cherie Posted Tuesday at 11:32 Posted Tuesday at 11:32 On 26/02/2025 at 15:11, Convict Colony said: i just want us to fluke 3pts and break derbys total. This post puts our woeful, aimless season in a nutshell. 2
SNSUN Posted Tuesday at 12:26 Posted Tuesday at 12:26 Rohl prefers a 4-2-3-1 according to TransferMrkt so he already has my vote for not playing 3 damn CBs. I looked at their forum a while ago when we were linked before Juric and Sheffield Wednesday fans like him and really want to keep him so that's good sign.
derry Posted Tuesday at 12:31 Posted Tuesday at 12:31 Personally I think Juric doesn't have a clue about playing in the Premier League. What happens when selections are made on assessments in training? Chaos. Smallbone, uncompetitive, players fitted in out of position. Three centrebacks on the bench at Chelsea, selected one centreback plus a reserve fullback and a midfielder as a back three playing man to man marking. Any half decent manager will just get his attackers to take the defenders for a walk which creates chaos and holes at the back. Two kamikaze full backs often in no position to defend. Team selection with no balance or blend. When defending getting on the wrong side of attackers, facing the wrong way and unable to see the ball and mark goalside. And so on and so on. It's a shambles. 9
Midfield_General Posted Tuesday at 12:33 Posted Tuesday at 12:33 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: The idea that no one would want to come here is nonsense. The trick is not filling the job, it is finding the right person. Ok, the likes of Klopp wouldn’t want the job but that is not to say that someone of reasonable quality wouldn’t come here. Who would you target?
Midfield_General Posted Tuesday at 12:49 Posted Tuesday at 12:49 15 minutes ago, derry said: Personally I think Juric doesn't have a clue about playing in the Premier League. What happens when selections are made on assessments in training? Chaos. Smallbone, uncompetitive, players fitted in out of position. Three centrebacks on the bench at Chelsea, selected one centreback plus a reserve fullback and a midfielder as a back three playing man to man marking. Any half decent manager will just get his attackers to take the defenders for a walk which creates chaos and holes at the back. Two kamikaze full backs often in no position to defend. Team selection with no balance or blend. When defending getting on the wrong side of attackers, facing the wrong way and unable to see the ball and mark goalside. And so on and so on. It's a shambles. Spot on. When there’s that little balance and that many players playing out of position you don’t get away with it at any level. To actually deliberately set up like that, against PL level players and managers, is suicidal. He lost me the second he chose to play Aribo as a centre half when we had 3 actual centre halves fit and available to play. I mean what the actual fuck. 4
beatlesaint Posted Tuesday at 13:35 Posted Tuesday at 13:35 12 minutes ago, SaintLondon said: Make of this what you will but... well just checking out that twitter feed its a well established (2012) and seemingly reliable source for SW news so........
S-Clarke Posted Tuesday at 13:43 Posted Tuesday at 13:43 Rohl would probably be the first appointment we've made that would have a collective agreement among the fan base. Martin had questions around him, Jones did and Juric was a bit of an unknown. They always seem to go left field with their choices, but if they go for Rohl it's the first 'no brainer' appointment they've gone with. Everything aligns with him, what with our new DoF, the style of football the manager and DoF support, the foundations laid by Ralph, his familiarity with the club etc. Let's see what happens. The Jury is still out as SR are not known to make sensible choices, so we'll see if this pans out as it truly does make sense. I feel sad for Juric as he seems a decent guy, he's been parachuted into an absolute shit show and he's not been able to do what he wants. Hopefully he can get a new job after this, as his stints at Roma and here have put a massive dent in his reputation. 10
Lee On Solent Saint Posted Tuesday at 14:00 Posted Tuesday at 14:00 37 minutes ago, SaintLondon said: Make of this what you will but... Wonder what they consider better and higher news? Martin joining them as manager? 2
Badger Posted Tuesday at 14:06 Posted Tuesday at 14:06 5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Wonder what they consider better and higher news? Martin joining them as manager? Have been rumours of a takeover there for some time. 1
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